Afghanistan War/Occupation - 2027

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When does a war become an occupation?

Before Occupy Wall Street, this was the plan to try to bring an end to the utter abomination that is the United States Empire war in and occupation of Afghanistan.

“October 2011 is the 10th anniversary of the invasion of the Afghanistan war and the beginning of the 2012 federal austerity budget. It is time to light the spark that sets off a true democratic, nonviolent transition to a world in which people are freed to create just and sustainable solutions.

We call on people of conscience and courage—all who seek peace, economic justice, human rights and a healthy environment—to join together in Washington, D.C., beginning on Oct. 6, 2011, in nonviolent resistance similar to the Arab Spring and the Midwest awakening.

A concert, rally and protest will kick off a powerful and sustained nonviolent resistance to the corporate criminals that dominate our government."

A pledge was envisioned:

"I pledge that if any U.S. troops, contractors, or mercenaries remain in Afghanistan on Thursday, October 6, 2011, as that criminal occupation goes into its 11th year, I will commit to being in Freedom Plaza in Washington, D.C., with others on that day with the intention of making it our Tahrir Square, Cairo, our Madison, Wisconsin, where we will NONVIOLENTLY resist the corporate machine to demand that our resources are invested in human needs and environmental protection instead of war and exploitation. We can do this together. We will be the beginning ."

Today in September 2017, we get this:

"The expansion is part of a huge public works project that over the next two years will reshape the center of this city of five million to bring nearly all Western embassies, major government ministries, and NATO and American military headquarters within the protected area.

After 16 years of American presence in Kabul, it is a stark acknowledgment that even the city’s central districts have become too difficult to defend from Taliban bombings.

But the capital project is also clearly taking place to protect another long-term American investment: Along with an increase in troops to a reported 15,000, from around 11,000 at the moment, the Trump administration’s new strategy for Afghanistan is likely to keep the military in place well into the 2020s, even by the most conservative estimates."

(Note: New York Times link filled with facts and propaganda, discern appropriately)

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/world/asia/kabul-green-zone-afghanist...

I worked for the Department of Defense in the eighties during the height of the U.S. occupation of West Germany. At the time there were over 200 U.S. military bases and installations spread throughout W. Germany, including Armed Forces Recreation Center golf courses, bowling alleys and hotels converted from former Nazi vacation resorts. Seemed like everywhere you went there was some kind of American presence. I don't know how the Germans handled it, although I had some German friends who were strongly opposed. I guess like how most Americans handle it's country's wars, most just don't think about it.

When the golf courses go up, you know the occupation is complete and the antiwar movement is dead.

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When does a war become an occupation?

depends on what you mean by "occupation." Do you mean staying there to control the situation, or seeing it as a way of making a killing?

I don't see how anyone could find Bradley Manning to be a traitor for revealing to the American people that the war in Afghanistan is TOTALLY CORRUPT.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Afghanistan/united-states-military-funding-tali...

Report: U.S. Bribes to Protect Convoys Are Funding Taliban Insurgents
By NICK SCHIFRIN
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan, June 22, 2010

The United States military is helping fund both sides of the war in Afghanistan, knowingly financing a mafia-like collection of warlords and some of the very insurgents American troops are battling, according to Afghan and American officials and a new Congressional study released today.

The military has turned to private trucking companies to transport the vast majority of materiel it needs to fight the war -- everything from bullets to Gatorade, gas to sandbags -- and in turn, the companies are using American money to pay, among others, the Taliban to try to guarantee the trucks' safe passage, the reports charge.

Trucking executives and investigators from the House Subcommittee on National Security say the United States military knew it was helping fund the people it was fighting but did nothing about it, choosing to satisfy short-term delivery requirements and ignore fears that payments to the enemy help perpetuate Afghanistan's long-term security problems.

… Two American trucking executives, speaking on the condition of anonymity, say the payment structure goes beyond that depicted by the House report, detailing an intricate system whereby the American military is handing over billions of dollars to companies that bribe insurgents, warlords, road bandits and even corrupt Afghan police and soldiers to hold their fire as the trucks roll past dangerous stretches of highway.

In one case, a security company is paying a local commander who funnels American money directly to the Quetta Shura, the Taliban leadership council based in Pakistan, according to officials in Pakistan.

"Basically it's a protection extortion racket," Rep. John Tierney (D-MA), who chairs the House subcommittee, said in an interview with ABC News. "Tony Soprano would be proud of it."

The House's 85-page report, titled "Warlord, Inc." was released as doubts about the war crescendo in Washington.

… In this landlocked country, the United States has turned to eight private trucking companies to deliver the materiel and split a $2.16 billion Host Nation Trucking contract.

… Given that convoys are often as large as 300 trucks, a single trip might make a security company more than half a million dollars.

"One senior Department of Defense official in Afghanistan stated that there have been significant discussions within the Department [of Defense] of the problem of protection payments to local warlords and the Taliban, but no action has been taken" today's report says. "In [the senior official's] view, the contracting officers with responsibility for the contract 'intentionally turn a blind eye to the problem and refuse to look past the prime [contractor] to see how the security subcontractors operate -- hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.'"

… Ruhullah is employed by Watan Risk Management, owned by a cousin and close confidant of President Hamid Karzai. He in turn employs hundreds of guards to defend 3,500 trucks every month – by far the largest share of the security companies working with the Host Nation Trucking contract. He told the subcommittee he spends $1.5 million worth of ammunition -- every month.

Officials in Pakistan believe that Ruhullah not only funds the local warlords and thieves and road bandits in Afghanistan, but sends a portion of his money to the Quetta Shura – the Taliban leadership council, based in southwest Pakistan.

… In the end, the subcommittee and the American trucking executives don't only worry that American money is going to fund the Taliban. They are also worried that the contracting system is perpetuating Afghanistan's security problem; the payments to local contractors, they say, encourages instability along the roads and props up the kinds of warlords and local thugs who Afghans came to hate during the civil war of the early 1990s. And they say if Americans are seen to be supporting those people, then the Afghan public will refuse to support the Americans or the government -- whose police and army have been bypassed by the U.S. contracting system.

"If one of the foundational aspects of counter-insurgency is to have a government in Afghanistan that people from that country can trust and put their faith in and believe that it's not corrupt, it doesn't seem to make much sense to me to put that kind of money at risk of feeding corruption and building up powers that are not the government," Tierney says. "When people see police and army people getting paid off and gangsters running around making huge amounts of money while a truck driver might make $200 a month -- but the guy that's armed might make $20 million in a year -- that does not lend itself to people having a great deal of confidence that the system is going to work for them."

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EdMass's picture

Have been railing against this war for 16 years and counting.

I do not argue with any points that you raise here.

I just need to know why are we there now?

It ain't global hegemony cause we're obviously not achieving that.

It ain't defeat of the evil Taliban cause we're obviously not achieving that.

It ain't imposing a democratic society (reference Iraq) cause we're obviously not achieving that.

It ain't making Kabul "secure" cause we're obviously not achieving that.

It ain't deterring reckless MIC profit for them and the Warlords, unless it is a truly tribal and medieval society, in which case they really don't care anyway so we're not obvioulsy changing that.

It ain't managing Pakistan cause we're obviously not achieving that.

It ain't fending off the Ruskies and Chicoms from the region cause we're not obviously achieving that.

It ain't keeping Iran out of it cause we're obviously not achieving that.

It ain't for the oil cause they have none to speak so we're obviously not achieving that.

It ain't for the mineral wealth since the Chicoms are getting that so we're obviously not achieving that.

What's effing left? The effing heroin? The effing Dancing Boys? Effing what?

Aarrrgh!

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Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!

Firesign Theater

Stop the War!

Big Al's picture

@EdMass they are making a lot of money off opium and weapons and military hardware.
Best I can tell about Afghanistan is where it's located. It's not called the "graveyard of Empires" for nothing and that's because of it's location, situated right between China, Iran, Russia and the "Stans", and Pakistan/India. I remember it being called a giant land based aircraft carrier years ago.
I think that's why Trump caved, because he was convinced how important it is to maintain base there for the big picture of world supremacy.

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@Big Al

We are staying there because it's a forward operating base to launch into any country that's next on the list to be invaded or concord.
The weapon sales and the poppy fields are a side benefit.
Again our government should be brought up on charges of treason for aiding and abetting our enemies as Linda points out in her comment.

The Taliban and Al Qaida are supposed to be our enemies, and yet our government hops into bed with them any time it's convenient for them.

But since no country will step and call our government on the biggest war crime according to the Geneva conventions, who is going to call us on our aiding the organizations that Bush declared our enemies?

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Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?

Lookout's picture

Another four years and the Afghan war can finally retire. (I think military retirement requirement is 20 years).

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

mimi's picture

so the whole shebang is nothing more than a "Arbeitsbeschaffungsprogramm". (job creation scheme).
Meanwhile the rest of the American population lose their jobs, or are underemployed and not making it.

The IT CEOs buy out all the land, regulate your lives to the intimatest details and enslave you mentally to the core.

Live without the internet and without a cellphone for a month and tell me how you survived without it.

I sincerely believe that the communication possibilites on the internet are a death sentence to your humanity. I know I would need a quarantaine to heal.

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thanatokephaloides's picture

@mimi

The only secure jobs are with the military and MIC /IT complex so the whole shebang is nothing more than a "Arbeitsbeschaffungsprogramm". (job creation scheme).
Meanwhile the rest of the American population lose their jobs, or are underemployed and not making it.

The IT CEOs buy out all the land, regulate your lives to the intimatest details and enslave you mentally to the core.

1. This includes IT workers who aren't directly affiliated with the MIC. The description "losing their jobs, or are underemployed and not making it" fits; I can testify to that personally!

2. Again, it's the MIC CEOs who are buying all the natural resources, regulate the common people's lives to the most intimate details, etc. Here in Colorado Springs, Colorado, it's the water they monopolize -- once they've got the water, it doesn't matter who owns the land!

Diablo

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

our Professional War Machinery (aka the MIC and its various dependents) has gotten so big, so complicated, so money-hungry, and so unwieldy, that it doesn't even know what it's trying to do anymore, or why it's trying to do it. And furthermore, it doesn't much care. It just rolls on along, oblivious to the consequences of its own blind stupidity.

And we're still there because the US public has become so dumbed-down from being fed a constant diet of teevee military propaganda and outright hogwash, peddled by dopey over-paid talking heads, that it will believe almost anything, no matter how ridiculous.

Of course it doesn't help that we have also elected a functionally illiterate ignoramous as President -- though to be honest, none of the other "choices" we were offered for our CIC would have done any better, and some of them might have done even worse. So buckle up my fellow Americans, we're getting what we paid for -- though perhaps not exactly what we deserve.

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native

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@native

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Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!

Firesign Theater

Stop the War!

@EdMass
but it might have been more helpful if he had made it eight years earlier.

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@native

he warned us about the MICC on his way out of office after watching as it continued to grow. I don't know if he could have stopped it if he tried. This was before they killed Kennedy after he said that he wanted to shatter the FBI in a thousand pieces.

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Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?

@snoopydawg

the CIA, not the FBI, that he wanted to destroy. David Talbot's book on Allen Dulles, The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government, makes it clear anyone who wasn't a fascist would have wanted to destroy the CIA.

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that the Vietnam re-unification election had taken place as agreed to in Geneva. After Obama, I'm not impressed with speeches.

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chuck utzman

TULSI 2020

@chuckutzman
best speechifiers America has ever had. Fat lot of good that ever did for anybody.

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native

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@native

Another great article by Paul Street. This was written a little over a month after he was selected elected.

Obama and the Left, Such As it Is*

Selling that conviction is no small part of why Obama was hired by the American ruling class and given the job of president. It’s not for nothing that Goldman Sachs gave Obama $900,000 a small part of the astonishing $37.5 million Obama got from the finance, insurance and real estate industries during the last election cycle. It’s not for nothing that Obama got three fourths of his campaign cash from people giving more than $200 – the same big donor percentage as George W. Bush in 2004. It’s not for nothing that Obama set new records in corporate election funding and achieved a level of fawning corporate media love that is almost beyond belief.

What much of the American state-capitalist elite wanted is somebody who can give the American corporate system and empire a much-needed public relations makeover, a re-branding as they put it. Obama is the Empire’s New Clothes. The masters wanted their rotten old profits system repackaged as something truly new and different in the wake of the long national and global Bush-Cheney nightmare. As they say in elite advertising journals and editorial pages, "Brand Obama" is the new and improved, outwardly progressive, democratic, and human face for that damaged product line called "Brand USA. The Bush and Cheney "reign of error" did profound damage to popular perceptions of American capitalism, power and empire at home and abroad. The political class needed someone who could give the system a vivid new slate-cleaning aura of novelty and freshness while leaving core dominant institutions and ideologies intact.

There is much more to this article. Paul is one of the best writers that I've read lately.

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Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?

@snoopydawg
Paul Street usually hones in on the relevant pieces. I've often found his writing and analysis insightful.

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earthling1's picture

is just another Vietnam but with body armor.

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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

thanatokephaloides's picture

@earthling1

Afghanistan is just another Vietnam but with body armor.

Insufficient, dysfunctional body armor at that! Diablo

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

Lenzabi's picture

Yes, a springboard for more wars, and that we support insane things, and that folks want to mine the massive mineral wealth that is under the soil there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_Afghanistan#Petroleum_and_natura...

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So long, and thanks for all the fish