Afghanistan War/Occupation - 2027
When does a war become an occupation?
Before Occupy Wall Street, this was the plan to try to bring an end to the utter abomination that is the United States Empire war in and occupation of Afghanistan.
“October 2011 is the 10th anniversary of the invasion of the Afghanistan war and the beginning of the 2012 federal austerity budget. It is time to light the spark that sets off a true democratic, nonviolent transition to a world in which people are freed to create just and sustainable solutions.
We call on people of conscience and courage—all who seek peace, economic justice, human rights and a healthy environment—to join together in Washington, D.C., beginning on Oct. 6, 2011, in nonviolent resistance similar to the Arab Spring and the Midwest awakening.
A concert, rally and protest will kick off a powerful and sustained nonviolent resistance to the corporate criminals that dominate our government."
A pledge was envisioned:
"I pledge that if any U.S. troops, contractors, or mercenaries remain in Afghanistan on Thursday, October 6, 2011, as that criminal occupation goes into its 11th year, I will commit to being in Freedom Plaza in Washington, D.C., with others on that day with the intention of making it our Tahrir Square, Cairo, our Madison, Wisconsin, where we will NONVIOLENTLY resist the corporate machine to demand that our resources are invested in human needs and environmental protection instead of war and exploitation. We can do this together. We will be the beginning ."
Today in September 2017, we get this:
"The expansion is part of a huge public works project that over the next two years will reshape the center of this city of five million to bring nearly all Western embassies, major government ministries, and NATO and American military headquarters within the protected area.
After 16 years of American presence in Kabul, it is a stark acknowledgment that even the city’s central districts have become too difficult to defend from Taliban bombings.
But the capital project is also clearly taking place to protect another long-term American investment: Along with an increase in troops to a reported 15,000, from around 11,000 at the moment, the Trump administration’s new strategy for Afghanistan is likely to keep the military in place well into the 2020s, even by the most conservative estimates."
(Note: New York Times link filled with facts and propaganda, discern appropriately)
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/world/asia/kabul-green-zone-afghanist...
I worked for the Department of Defense in the eighties during the height of the U.S. occupation of West Germany. At the time there were over 200 U.S. military bases and installations spread throughout W. Germany, including Armed Forces Recreation Center golf courses, bowling alleys and hotels converted from former Nazi vacation resorts. Seemed like everywhere you went there was some kind of American presence. I don't know how the Germans handled it, although I had some German friends who were strongly opposed. I guess like how most Americans handle it's country's wars, most just don't think about it.
When the golf courses go up, you know the occupation is complete and the antiwar movement is dead.
Comments
Your question,
depends on what you mean by "occupation." Do you mean staying there to control the situation, or seeing it as a way of making a killing?
I don't see how anyone could find Bradley Manning to be a traitor for revealing to the American people that the war in Afghanistan is TOTALLY CORRUPT.
I'm still totally missing the raison d'être
Have been railing against this war for 16 years and counting.
I do not argue with any points that you raise here.
I just need to know why are we there now?
It ain't global hegemony cause we're obviously not achieving that.
It ain't defeat of the evil Taliban cause we're obviously not achieving that.
It ain't imposing a democratic society (reference Iraq) cause we're obviously not achieving that.
It ain't making Kabul "secure" cause we're obviously not achieving that.
It ain't deterring reckless MIC profit for them and the Warlords, unless it is a truly tribal and medieval society, in which case they really don't care anyway so we're not obvioulsy changing that.
It ain't managing Pakistan cause we're obviously not achieving that.
It ain't fending off the Ruskies and Chicoms from the region cause we're not obviously achieving that.
It ain't keeping Iran out of it cause we're obviously not achieving that.
It ain't for the oil cause they have none to speak so we're obviously not achieving that.
It ain't for the mineral wealth since the Chicoms are getting that so we're obviously not achieving that.
What's effing left? The effing heroin? The effing Dancing Boys? Effing what?
Aarrrgh!
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
Firesign Theater
Stop the War!
Well, based on what they're achieving,
Best I can tell about Afghanistan is where it's located. It's not called the "graveyard of Empires" for nothing and that's because of it's location, situated right between China, Iran, Russia and the "Stans", and Pakistan/India. I remember it being called a giant land based aircraft carrier years ago.
I think that's why Trump caved, because he was convinced how important it is to maintain base there for the big picture of world supremacy.
You nailed it
We are staying there because it's a forward operating base to launch into any country that's next on the list to be invaded or concord.
The weapon sales and the poppy fields are a side benefit.
Again our government should be brought up on charges of treason for aiding and abetting our enemies as Linda points out in her comment.
The Taliban and Al Qaida are supposed to be our enemies, and yet our government hops into bed with them any time it's convenient for them.
But since no country will step and call our government on the biggest war crime according to the Geneva conventions, who is going to call us on our aiding the organizations that Bush declared our enemies?
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
perpetual war
Another four years and the Afghan war can finally retire. (I think military retirement requirement is 20 years).
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
The only secure jobs are with the military and MIC /IT complex
so the whole shebang is nothing more than a "Arbeitsbeschaffungsprogramm". (job creation scheme).
Meanwhile the rest of the American population lose their jobs, or are underemployed and not making it.
The IT CEOs buy out all the land, regulate your lives to the intimatest details and enslave you mentally to the core.
Live without the internet and without a cellphone for a month and tell me how you survived without it.
I sincerely believe that the communication possibilites on the internet are a death sentence to your humanity. I know I would need a quarantaine to heal.
https://www.euronews.com/live
secure jobs
1. This includes IT workers who aren't directly affiliated with the MIC. The description "losing their jobs, or are underemployed and not making it" fits; I can testify to that personally!
2. Again, it's the MIC CEOs who are buying all the natural resources, regulate the common people's lives to the most intimate details, etc. Here in Colorado Springs, Colorado, it's the water they monopolize -- once they've got the water, it doesn't matter who owns the land!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
We're still in Afghanistan because
our Professional War Machinery (aka the MIC and its various dependents) has gotten so big, so complicated, so money-hungry, and so unwieldy, that it doesn't even know what it's trying to do anymore, or why it's trying to do it. And furthermore, it doesn't much care. It just rolls on along, oblivious to the consequences of its own blind stupidity.
And we're still there because the US public has become so dumbed-down from being fed a constant diet of teevee military propaganda and outright hogwash, peddled by dopey over-paid talking heads, that it will believe almost anything, no matter how ridiculous.
Of course it doesn't help that we have also elected a functionally illiterate ignoramous as President -- though to be honest, none of the other "choices" we were offered for our CIC would have done any better, and some of them might have done even worse. So buckle up my fellow Americans, we're getting what we paid for -- though perhaps not exactly what we deserve.
native
I like Ike?
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
Firesign Theater
Stop the War!
It was a great speech,
but it might have been more helpful if he had made it eight years earlier.
native
This is what people are not aware of
he warned us about the MICC on his way out of office after watching as it continued to grow. I don't know if he could have stopped it if he tried. This was before they killed Kennedy after he said that he wanted to shatter the FBI in a thousand pieces.
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
I think it was
the CIA, not the FBI, that he wanted to destroy. David Talbot's book on Allen Dulles, The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government, makes it clear anyone who wasn't a fascist would have wanted to destroy the CIA.
It would have beeb even more helpful if he had seen to it
that the Vietnam re-unification election had taken place as agreed to in Geneva. After Obama, I'm not impressed with speeches.
chuck utzman
TULSI 2020
Me neither! Obama was one of the
best speechifiers America has ever had. Fat lot of good that ever did for anybody.
native
Why TPTB picked Obama
Another great article by Paul Street. This was written a little over a month after he was
selectedelected.Obama and the Left, Such As it Is*
There is much more to this article. Paul is one of the best writers that I've read lately.
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
Indeed
Paul Street usually hones in on the relevant pieces. I've often found his writing and analysis insightful.
Afganistan
is just another Vietnam but with body armor.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
body armor
Insufficient, dysfunctional body armor at that!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Yes, a springboard for more
Yes, a springboard for more wars, and that we support insane things, and that folks want to mine the massive mineral wealth that is under the soil there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_Afghanistan#Petroleum_and_natura...
So long, and thanks for all the fish