Is the Trump presidency an unintentional good thing?

Jimmy Dore has a great breakdown of the FBI memo.
The whole video is good, but if you go 20 minutes into the video you have a CIA official threatening the president.

Remember this from a year ago?

An intelligence/security state that appears to be outside and above public/civilian oversight is a HELL of a lot scarier than President Trump. Anyone that doesn't agree or understand that needs to read up on the Praetorian Guard and J. Edgar Hoover.

So a long overdue power struggle against the intelligence/security state can wind up being a good thing (even if fought for the wrong reasons).

Trump's hubris and incompetence in foreign policy also has the potential of undermining the CIA/MIC agenda.
For instance, recently the Pentagon announced that we were going to stay in Syria to confront Iranian and Russian influence in Syria, and for regime change. This is obviously not in the interests of the average American.
To accomplish this goal, they decided to create a Kurdish army in Syria. Turkey responded by attacking our Kurdish allies, thus undermining the CIA/MIC agenda.
The backlash from Turkey is still picking up steam.

Since the operation began, public opinion polls have shown a large majority of Turks supporting the offensive. One poll, conducted by Turkey’s MAK research company and cited widely by pro-government media, said 82 percent of respondents believed that the operation will succeed. Ninety percent said the United States is “behind” the PKK and YPG.
That broad distrust of the United States comes at a time when, Turkish commentators say, relations between the two longtime allies have sunk to their lowest point since Turkey joined NATO in 1952.
...Another columnist, Ibrahim Karagul, writing in the pro-government Yeni Safak newspaper, minced few words in criticizing the United States.
“The U.S. is now the . . . greatest and most open threat for Turkey. It is an enemy country. The U.S. is the one that released the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) and Daesh on us,” Karagul wrote, using an Arabic term for the Islamic State. Our “ties with the U.S. have no meaning left.”

U.S. relations with Turkey are so bad that we could see a splintering of NATO, which would decisively undermine the CIA/MIC's agenda for an unprovoked war against Russia.
Even Iran has objected to the US 'shamelessly threatening' Russia with nuclear weapons.
Once again, this is an unintentional good thing.

Finally, there is Trump's attacks on the news media.
Normally this would be a bad thing. But we are talking about a news media that has been historically compromised by the CIA/MIC, and most likely continues to be compromised.
Thus a war with the president will end up weakening the power of a news media that is functioning as a propaganda agency for war making.
Once again, this is an unintentional good thing.

Obviously there are countless bad things about the Trump presidency, including his intention "to be a record-breaking war criminal" in addition to his open corruption and selling out the nation to billionaires.
But there is a balance happening, even if only by accident.

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Lookout's picture

and it goes back as this story from 1953 tells...

PRESIDENT EISENHOWER: Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.

PETER KUZNICK:

What a great speech and the Soviets were thrilled. They republished this. They reprinted it. They broadcast it over and over, and then two days later, John Foster Dulles, Secretary of State, makes a speech reversing the whole thing. Instead of an olive branch, he gives the Soviets a middle finger and he accuses the Soviet Union of trying to overthrow every Democratic government in the world. The exact wrong message.

And so, it's sort of like Trump, where Tillerson says something sane and then Trump will undermine it two days later when it comes to North Korea. The same thing happened in 1953 with Eisenhower and Dulles.

http://therealnews.com/t2/story:21011:Undoing-the-New-Deal---The-Age-of-...

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

Wink's picture

Sadly, we have an S.O.B.
(State Office Bldg.) here in
@Lookout
town named after the s.o.b. Sad

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TheOtherMaven's picture

@Wink

Got one of those about an hour's drive away (other side of the Blue Ridge, fortunately).

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

edg's picture

@TheOtherMaven

I lived 5 miles away from there for 10 years. I was always embarrassed me when flying in or out of there.

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@Lookout

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Meteor Man's picture

If you want to undermine The Duopoly you have to undermine the institutional support system colloquially known as American Democracy.

Undermining the FBI, CIA and NSA is certainly a benefit of the Trump presidency, except Trump is going to make the new appointments, which could still be a good thing if Trump appoints members of his family to key positions.

This House of Mirrors is hysterical!

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"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn

@Meteor Man
The president was never meant to be this powerful.

Hopefully both the presidency AND the MIC will be weakened by this.

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even if he gets us deeper
into G. Dubya's war(s).
And, as we all know by now, Dubya's
"War on Terra" is really the MIC's war,
the Oligarchy's war, Deep State's war.
And, while it may not have happened under Gore's presidency, that is not a given.
What is a given is a Hillary win Would Not have provoked the blowback from ordinary citizens we're seeing under Trump. No F'ing Way. Hell, we'd still be celebrating Her having crashed thru the Glass Ceiling! All praise Hillary! The Patriarchy is dead!
So, Trump saved us from that at the very least. And provoked a citizenry to at least start paying attention. Another thing that would Not have happened during Her Precious' reign.

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@Wink

What is a given is a Hillary win Would Not have provoked the blowback from ordinary citizens we're seeing under Trump. No F'ing Way. Hell, we'd still be celebrating Her having crashed thru the Glass Ceiling! All praise Hillary! The Patriarchy is dead!
So, Trump saved us from that at the very least. And provoked a citizenry to at least start paying attention. Another thing that would Not have happened during Her Precious' reign.

But I didn't want to get OT.

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@gjohnsit

But I didn't want to get OT.

In my humble opinion, not off-topic at all but quite germane indeed. The Chump is a chump, but the most likely alternative would have been far worse -- the point of your Essay.

Wink

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Cassiodorus's picture

@Wink is that autocratic rule by the Deep State is more out in the open than it would be if the Deep State's choice for President had won the election.

That's the whole nine yards of it.

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Chosen had won we would
not be hearing any of this,
@Cassiodorus
The Beltway back to status quo
business as usual, Hillary still on
Her Victory tour, Americans back to snoozing during the 6:30 nightly news, Rachel totally ignoring the RussiaGate investigation if, in fact, there would even have been one had Her won. So, yes, these things are the ONLY good things about Trump's win. But, wow. Those things are Yuuuge. Yuuuge. Game Changing. So, yay for Trump! Thanks for the opportunity to get our country back! Had Hillary won there would have been no chance, none, The Left totally crushed.

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@Wink the alternatives were more along the lines of "knowing despair under Trump" versus the usual pseudo-hopeful folly under Clinton Two. I mean, I suppose that if a few more people discover the uselessness of mainstream politics in an America ruled by the Fortune 500, the Pentagon, the secret agencies, and the various trade organizations, banking organizations, and clubs of the elite, it was all worth it.

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Well, maybe it is just
a few, but it would have
been none under Hillary's regime,
@Cassiodorus
and the few just now waking up can
turn into a few million by election day, tens of millions by 2020.
That's the game changer. If it happens. If we make it happen.
Trump's win has given us Libs the opportunity that Hillary's win would never have.
And if that's the only good to come from the Trump regime, well, it's a helluva lot better than nuthin'. Which is exactly what Libs would have gotten under Hillary.
It took almost a week for the big smile to come off my ugly mug when Trump declared himself the winner, election night, too tired to wait for Her Highness to concede. I left Dem party headquarters early becuz most were crying in their beer, and I was starting to lose my straight face. Got home and did a happy dance. The Queen is dead! What an opportunity, I said to no one in particular, we Libs now have, to take back America. I still believe we can.

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Cassiodorus's picture

@Wink the extent to which Google is screwing with C99% so that the great masses out there are unable to see conversations like this one. Anyone know anything in this regard?

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but I suspect it takes
an act of God these days,
@Cassiodorus
And not just this site. (sigh)

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The Aspie Corner's picture

the loyal opposition wing of the Capitalist Party. That is the only good thing about the fuckin' Drumpf PresiDuncy. Either way, no matter who won, the Capitalist Party gets to continue the Empire with, or without, our consent.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

snoopydawg's picture

@The Aspie Corner

The democrats have been exposed as complicit in giving the one percent everything they want.. more power to spy on us and keep us in line, more money for the military which they know damn well will have to come from domestic spending, more letting the banks do what they want, etc. The only reason they were against the tax bill was because their votes weren't needed. But once the republicans need to change a few things they will vote with them on it. The game of opposition will see just enough democrats going over to side with republicans.

The two party mask has been removed.

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for war (or anything else)
@snoopydawg
generally associated with payment
via tax dollars, is instead granted by The
Fed. "Tax dollars" don't pay for d!ck, and are
not required as payment for tanks or roads or anything else.
Congress requests $700 Billion for war and The Fed cuts a check. Simple as that. Well, not quite that simple, but effectively so.
Which is why all this horse$h!t that "we're broke! We can't afford Social Security and Medicare For All!" is just that. Horse$h!t. Or, as Arliss Bunny says, there's no reason on God's green earth that we all can't have a pony. Or two! For everyone to get a pony Congress just has to "appropriate" the funds. That is, demand it from The Fed. Where they get All their money. No tax $$ required. Fact is, we can have anything we want, including Medicare For All and Social Security expansion so seniors get a raise, and... and... and a pony. Why don't we? Becuz we know who runs Congress. And it ain't us.

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Meteor Man's picture

There's the rub. Will The Berniecrats win back the Democratic party and beat back the dark forces of The Deep State? We are talking about overthrowing The Military Industrial Complex, the Mass Incarceration legal system, Wall Street and Tech billionaires, Big Pharma, Agribusiness, Fossil Fuel and Nuclear Power magnates among others.

Well nobody said it was gonna be easy.

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"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn

The Aspie Corner's picture

@Meteor Man It's Capitalist interests doing what they always do when push comes to shove. There's no conspiracy, no big fuckin Jewish plot, etc. etc. It's. Fucking. Capitalism. Full. Stop.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

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@The Aspie Corner

Deep State? Come on.

@Meteor Man It's Capitalist interests doing what they always do.

Period. Full stop. No pushing or shoving required. Smile

There's no conspiracy, no big fuckin Jewish plot, etc. etc. It's. Fucking. Capitalism. Full. Stop

Doing what Fucking Capitalism always does.

Starting with the deterioration from Free Enterprise to Fucking Capitalism to begin with.

It's just the same people doing to the rest of our civilization what they started by doing to our economy.

Bad

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@The Aspie Corner
No conspiracy theory required. A good pragmatic definition of The Deep State is from Caitlin Johnstone:

The term “deep state” is not a conspiracy theory but a basic concept in political analysis. It simply refers to the self-evident and undeniable fact that there are people in power within America who were not elected (primarily the plutocrats, corporate media, intelligence community and military-industrial complex), and that those people tend to form alliances and collaborate toward agendas that benefit them. [2]

And:

Caitlin Johnstone
@caitoz
Replying to @Stop_Groupthink

The billionaire class IS the deep government. The deep state revolves around the plutocracy. The rest are just the plutocrats' hired goons.

1:50 AM - Nov 6, 2017

https://medium.com/@Dissension/deep-state-definition-a7d58aa91c67

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"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn

@Meteor Man I do not remember voting for the Koch brothers or the Walton family, but they are running my country.

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@Meteor Man

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But I can't imagine just
sitting on the sidelines
@Meteor Man
watching this parade go by.
Maybe the noise machines get us,
the hoses, rubber bullets maybe, tear gas... but it still beats sitting on the sidelines.

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Presidency and it was by accident, there is nothing to be proud of. We don't vote for our representative doing something good accidentally. Especially not if the vote was rigged to begin with. Are we supposed to be happy and relieved that even if votes are rigged and the powers to be are doing criminal things, because an unintended consequence occurs that seems to counterbalance the initial criminal intent? How low do we need to let our standards go?

This sounds to me a very desperate attempt to find something good in all the mess.

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@mimi
Have you looked at Washington lately?

This sounds to me a very desperate attempt to find something good in all the mess.

Yea, I'm not ashamed of that.

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@gjohnsit

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@gjohnsit

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@mimi We now have new evidence to use to fight those who are proud. The proof that they are just idiots is solider than ever -- and the universe (as Rick Sanchez tells us) creates infinite idiots just to eat them.

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@mimi

Lol, I'm broke, but here's my 2 cents.

With Hillary, as has been expressed by many, none of this would be coming out.

Instead, there would be media-promoted both a false optimism about purported Dem 'improvements-to-come' and the notion that nothing constructive could ever be done for the public. (When you have the same/similar billionaires/corporate interests running things, you get the same 'right-wing' brainwashing tactics, endlessly recycled, as we see.)

Much the same disaster would be going on, with many of the same billionaires in charge - and with Bill in charge of (milking) the economy in this two-fer - but more quietly and enacted as planned with a willing participant.

One also eager to immediately get Bibi in as a partner on foreign policy;

establish - in another people's country - that Syrian no-fly zone in order to immediately start shooting down invited-in, (often-US PTB-funded/armed/trained/imported terrorist)-fighting Russian planes,

in order to start Mutual Assured Destruction which the Clinton faction, including billionaires, are quite sure they'd somehow survive

and seemingly believe there'd somehow be a livable world remaining for them to fight over amongst themselves. Remember that they make their own 'reality' and believe that clapping hard enough for themselves will make it real. They really, truly do.

Trump at least slowed things down a bit and created more churn in the system by his particular approach and by the response engendered in the other factions, not to mention the exposing/weakening of the hold of some evils on 'the other side' in their particular areas.

We need to use that breathing space to organize some path back toward democracy in America, which can then, at the least, let the rest of the world find its own without their (and European) billionaires/corporations having that drained-from-Americans (Europeans) financial/military/corporate support/interference/intimidation system.

The pathology of 'might makes right' must not overcome all hope of civilization and sustainability.

The people of all countries have a right to their own rights, lives, natural resources, futures and visions, as long as these do not unduly intrude upon those of others, at any level.

The latter applies generally to those who would predate upon others and/or twist reason to use this concept to monitor/propagandize/micro-manage pacific citizens, whether individually or en masse, to suit their own personal goals.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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and figured that throwing him as a Molotov cocktail at it was their only chance?

Well, at least it's cracked and creaking, and now what?

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@TheOtherMaven

This has been stated in many elections and it doesn't seem to ever work. This is what people said about putting Bush into the presidency and then we got Obama to take over where he left off. The temporary Bush tax cuts? Made permanent. The Iraq war? Still happening, just not with as big a military presence. Extending them to more countries? Executed. Next?

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“When police break the Law then there is no Law - just a fight for survival.” - Billy Jack

Even establishment republicans didn't want Trump openly attacking the 'Deep State' (the unelected standing bureaucracy).
It's important to factor in that establishment republicans didn't want Trump either. Hmmmm, wonder why.
Also, most presidents would resign before fighting back against the unelected standing bureaucracy (i.e. the Deep State).
Trump is not worried about his political/financial future (doesn't really need donors), or his party's political/financial future (he doesn't really care about his party establishment). Look at all the never Trump republicans deciding not to seek reelection (because they can't raise the money, i.e. their donors don't think It's worth the investment under Trump).
The Trump presidency is an effect the unelected standing bureaucracy tried to prevent and is still trying to stop.
It will be necessary for Trump to fully expose and defeat the 'Deep State' in order to survive the presidency. If he is successful, it will produce a result that educates the electorate in ways that neither party ever intended (or wanted).
This is a rare situation. A president that has to defeat a 'bipartisan' shadow government in order to survive.
Which side should we really be on?

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It is not a good thing. He has alerted his Dept. of Energy to get ready for the tests. Also there's a rumour that Republicans think a hit on North Korea would "be good for the mid-terms."

Trump Might Test a Nuke 'for Political Purposes'
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a16432584/trump-test-nucle...

Sarah Huckabee Sanders is denying this one but we know how reliable she is on telling the truth.
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-midterm-election-north-korea-matthe...

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Dear gawd, not only following Obama's publicized order list regarding the trillion-odd of public money to go into global domination-required nukes but testing one for any reason, never mind apparently for 'political reasons'? And improperly, to round it off? How did the bubble convince him that Americans want Armageddon triggered, as well as more deadly local and traveling radiation exposure?

And from your second link, horrifying enough otherwise, this:

...The anecdote quickly spread on social media Friday night in the US, fueling speculation that the White House was seriously considering striking North Korea — potentially endangering the lives of millions of South Koreans and thousands of US citizens — in order to score political points. ...

Please note that the lives of North Korean citizens were seemingly not considered worthy of either specific mention or concern. Is the 'othering' - the dehumanization - of the people of another entire country complete among those pathologized into this state of mindlessness?

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

I am, as always, so grateful for your informed and informative essays, even though the news they bring is typically depressing as hell, but I do take heart in the disruptive aspects Trump has introduced, even though public objections are so often co-opted and carefully misled.

People have to realize that conditions under any such destructively self-interested/corporate/military control will ever-more-rapidly and too-often irrevocably (especially regarding the murder-in-progress of the complex and interdependent global life support system) continue to worsen until the results are globally fatal, something which could occur at any moment, under either (s)elected corporate/billionaire Party/President 'choice'.

That indicates that current and projected conditions have to be understood by the designated victims to be desperate enough to make the propaganda obvious and to trigger a (preferably pacific/political) last-ditch fight for life against their own embezzled government and obscenely bloated military and militarized civil forces over which they need to obtain political and financial control through taking back their own government, as is their Constitutional right, one of many such rights long and studiously ignored by those fascists influencing and infiltrating the US government, these having gained control at all levels by the very governmental/propagandist enabling of these psychopathic self-interests to drain the people and country of the wealth and power required to purchase such power.

The Psychopaths/Parasites That Be and the corrupt system they've created and control must be replaced by a government truly of, by and for the people, in united effort and despite all propaganda and encroaching censorship warping perception - not an easy task, but neither was overcoming the previous US industrialist-created and supported take-over of Germany by Nazis also intent upon global fascist hegemony, even if this current incarnation was planned and executed more carefully over a longer period, and having drained a far larger quantity of resources from Americans and much of the world.

They were defeated by humanity before, when it did not appear to be possible then either, and can be, with strategy, lessons to be learnt from the past and different circumstance, perhaps less violently defeated again. This time, to be kept out of public policy and politics hereafter, rather than more being brought out of all danger of war-criminal confinement by such as the Bush family and into industry and government to help pathologize the culture of both, as had occurred following the defeat of their previous attempt at global conquest.

And this recovery of American governance and the belated full implementation of the concept of democracy as a humane, civilized society with all having equal, protected rights, treatment and opportunity guaranteed needs to be initiated and well underway before the US (and allied) fascist PTB currently in stolen control either destroy life on the planet in the pursuit of their insane and suicidally murderous goals or before a unified section of the targeted world is forced to obliterate (or possibly otherwise less destructively somehow subjugate) America (and, one would think, all other currently fascist-controlled countries also posing a hazard to global life,) in self-defense, this almost certainly also resulting in an identical and universally fatal end to all radiation-sensitive/oxygen-dependent Earth life.

If the American people can't unite to successfully replace psychopaths and their pathologized enablers with the humane eager to work for the public good within government, completed certainly within the next few elections, (assuming that we actually have that long,) the 99% will have to ultimately (possibly quite soon) face down by far the largest military ever formed, further reinforced with mercenary troops, (and quite likely robotics as well as other weaponry which should not be used against anyone, never mind civilians,) if they do not wish to continue to lie down like brainwashed disposable doormats to have the life anyway crushed out of them and the rest of planetary life by psychopaths using any/all of multiple soullessly but lucrative-to-them destructive means.

If The People manage to get only Progs in office, with enough of them in public office and crowding out the corrupt within ideally both parties, either any pretense of actual government must be dropped, by the psychopaths/lackeys within, for the blatant use of force thereby further delegitimatizing themselves past the point of PR or other recovery, or they lose, via rapid, en masse attrition, their governmental/public control and all ability to 'legalize' the warping of law, language and all else to use against anyone.

Citizens can no longer accept suspect electoral results/damaging political appointments as 'a done deal and/or a problem to be fixed later', something which has aided and abetted this take-over all along. It's their government, that of the people who inhabit the country, not that of the bribed/installed political employees of polluting or other industry billionaires sacrificing those citizens - who their public office exists to represent/serve - to the pathological greed and power-lust of those which such public office also exists to protect the public it serves from the depredations of.

And I hope we can en masse stop doing such self-defeating things now, while there's still anything left to salvage from the wreckage being made of the living Earth system which spawned us and still enables us to live, even at this point.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.