The Democratic Dictatorship of Daily Kos

Warm greetings, caucus99percent.com, and thanks for having me!

I've recently been informed by the anonymous admin Demo-gods at Daily Kos, to whom I’ve contributed 154 articles over the past two-plus years, that I would no longer be welcome to publish there. There was no explanation, no message to thank me for the hundreds of thousands of page views and shares that my articles — they’re called diaries amongst Kossacks, or site members —have generated, without a penny’s compensation. There was just a stone-cold orange skull and crossbones on my profile page to inform me I’d been “bojo’ed,” or banned for life in Kos-speak.

My crime? In the wake of former president Barack Obama’s failure to endorse upstart New York progressive Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for Congress, I published a diary calling him out for it. Obama is universally revered at Daily Kos, and how dare I, especially as a black man, oppose him?

OK If Democrats Do It

My “crimes” during my two years at Daily Kos were myriad, and I’d be lying if I said I didn’t see this coming. For shits and giggles, I even went so far as to poke this stick in their collective eye to mock their Russia obsession and hasten a departure that was long overdue.

I didn’t do my homework before joining DK. I just assumed after years of reading the occasional DK diary that the site welcomed all progressive points of view, and that there were certain things that all progressives could agree upon. Not arming child soldier armies was one of these things.

The Child Soldiers Prevention Act (CSPA), signed into law in George W. Bush’s last year in office, bans US military aid to countries whose armies conscript children. In 2010, Barak Obama began annually invoking CSPA’s “national security” waiver so the US could keep arming some of the world’s worst child soldier offenders, including the Democratic Republic of Congo, Myanmar, Somalia and South Sudan. Hillary Clinton, to whose office the waivers were addressed, accepted them every year of her tenure as secretary of state.

As Daily Kos’ mission is “electing more and better Democrats,” I assumed “better” meant not supporting child soldiers and so I wrote my very first DK diary, “Hillary Clinton: Love, Kindness and Child Soldiers,” so that Clinton supporters would know one of her darkest deeds and perhaps consider backing Bernie Sanders instead. Now, this was during the still-hot 2016 Democratic primaries. It was right around the time DK founder Markos Moulitsas, aka “Kos,” issued his infamous edict banning serious criticism of Clinton after March 15. I didn’t know about this, as I was new to the site. I had no idea I’d just stumbled into a pack of rabid hyenas howling deliriously, “We’re with her.”

Mental and Moral Gymnastics

The attacks and the flags — DK’s way of keeping everyone in line — were immediate. The average Kossack is capable of Olympic feats of mental and moral gymnastics in order to excuse all sorts of inexcusable misdeeds, so long as the perpetrator has a “D” and not an “R” after their name. Remind a Kossack that Democratic presidents waged nuclear war against defenseless cities, bombed millions of Koreans and Vietnamese to death, attacked Serbia in service of NATO’s “credibility” and bombed more countries than George W. Bush and you’ll get flagged, banned or at least roundly ridiculed and derided by liberals who think endorsements from former death squad ambassadors are welcome if they help win elections.

I witnessed an exodus of some of the brightest and most progressive voices from DK. Many of these recovering Kossacks fled after publishing masterful diaries, like this one from Mass Southpaw that remains the definitive case against Clinton. Daily Kos is a much poorer place for their absence, but their loss is our gain. And by backing Clinton, who lost to that man, Daily Kos will forever be inextricably tied to the biggest loser in the history of political loserdom. If anyone even remembers DK, that is.

When Democrats don’t win, things can get ugly at Daily Kos, like when Kos himself posted a diary celebrating when retired coal miners lost their health insurance because, well, they voted for Trump and were reaping their black-lunged comeuppance. “Don’t weep for these coal miners,” was Kos’ misanthropic message. “This is what they wanted!” I now understand why most Kossacks don’t use their real names on the site. Pseudonyms are great for face-saving anonymity. They can serve as lifeboats for those lost and adrift in a sea of shit. I’ve never used one.

“More and Better Democrats”

“More and better Democrats” kept playing in my head. I knew that the Democratic party will never be a party of peace and justice so long as it remains the socially progressive branch of the Big Business Party, aka the Earth Destruction Party. Both Democrats and Republicans support business as usual, that is, the corporatism and militarism that perpetuate social, economic and environmental injustice. But at Daily Kos, pointing out similarities between Democrats and Republicans will get you bojo’ed. So will even a hint of advocacy for third-party or independent candidates, no matter how progressive they are. I was once slapped with a days-long time-out ban simply for asking what would happen if I wrote an endorsement of Jill Stein.

Well, I did vote for Jill Stein, not once, but twice. I had to hide this fact while I was a Kossack for fear of reprisals. “Kossack" is an appropriate member moniker. Like the Cossacks during the Russian revolution, Kos’ followers militantly defend the old guard elite against progressive challengers and change. They’ve called me a Trump saboteur, a Russian stooge, a purity troll and much worse, and that’s before they knew I actually voted for Stein. A few Kossacks have risen to my defense, but they’ve mostly done so via private messages because they fear the consequences of speaking publicly. Vladimir Putin can only envy such self-censorship!

It wasn’t always like this. Once upon a time, Kos, like so many of the centrist hawks hawked on his site, was a bonafide progressive. In those heady early days of political blogging, Daily Kos was a relevant force for positive progressive change. Once upon a time, Kos called Óscar Romero, the Salvadoran archbishop and champion of the poor and oppressed who was assassinated in 1980 by a US-backed military death squad, his hero. If he were alive today, Romero would be sickened by what he saw on DK.

Today, Daily Kos is increasingly irrelevant. It has lost almost all credibility as a progressive voice, especially after the mass exodus from DK during and after the toxic 2016 election season. Increasingly, progressive Kossacks realized that “more and better Democrats” only meant more and not better. Daily Kos supports candidates for political expediency, not for what is good and right. It definitely does not believe in democracy. Kossacks cheered when Democrats sued to keep Raph Nader — who they still falsely and ignorantly blame for the George W. Bush presidency — off the ballot in 2004. They were giddy when Jill Stein was arrested for demanding access to debate Obama, Clinton and the other corporate-owned Democrat candidates. Kossacks are certainly "Big D" Democrats. But they're piss-poor democrats.

GBCW

Democracy means more participation, not less. It means alternatives to the two branches of the War and Wall Street party. It does not mean freezing out, bullying or deriding those who don’t toe a very narrow line of incrementalist orthodoxy. It does not mean red-baiting or giggling gleefully at every sophomoric flagging, every unwarranted time-out, as if these purported punishments actually hurt. Maybe they do sting the armchair politicos at Daily Kos. Those of us with other publishing and life options laugh in their pseudonym-masked faces. DK can ban whoever it wants, but the word is out — Daily Kos is a joke, and a bad one at that. I've been asked why I write there by editors at other publications, and I've noticed more of my submissions are accepted when I leave DK out of my resumé or bio line.

In Kos-speak, this post would be my GBCW, or “goodbye cruel world.” I’ll miss some people at DK —subir, Meteor Blades, TomP, SandraLLAP and the folks at Adalah, Black Kos and Political Revolution are among the handful of truly progressive voices that come to mind — but the overwhelming majority of Kossacks are an insufferable part of the problem; that is, the perpetuation of a political system that is ultimately leading humanity toward destruction. My final parting advice to them: Learn not to confuse the big “D” with the little one. Stop being the second-most enthusiastic capitalist party. And understand that there is nothing progressive about supporting candidates who favor war and corporate greed over peace and human need.

Brett Wilkins is a freelance author and journalist and editor-at-large for US news at Digital Journal. His work, which covers issues of war and peace and human rights, has recently been published or cited in Counterpunch, Common Dreams, The American Conservative, Antiwar.com, Oxford University Press and Cornell Law School Death Penalty Center. www.brettwilkins.com

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Another individual is banned from the orange menace. Your story is like so many others who have come here as a refuge.
Welcome!

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@Pricknick OMG why haven't I thought to connect the two orange menaces before? Brilliant, and thanks for being the first to welcome me here. I feel like I'm already on the road to recovery!

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@Brett Wilkins
you've had a few other welcoming comments following your first comment earlier. You can monitor your comments and replies by clicking the "My Account" button above and then click the "My Comments" link.

Great to see you publishing Brett.

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@Steven D @Steven D I tried to retweet a C99 Link you posted. It disappeared, not just from my feed, but your timeline. Did you delete it?

If not, we have proof of censorship of c99 by Twitter. Or I'm going crazy.

Edit: verified it was just a deleted comment. However, further testing of this theory is making me quite suspicious. Something stinks.

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@detroitmechworks Seriously. Go to @Detroit15 on twitter right now. Search for it, You won't find me otherwise.

Notice how I never say anything about c99?

Wrong. I've been posting direct links to the Logos EVERY day for 41 days.

We are being Censored.

Please, PLEASE prove me wrong. Show me that I'm just paranoid. Show me that if you DO see see the link you look in the left hand corner and notice the redirect before it goes to C99. Because there is no point to me having any social media presence if you can't see my stuff.

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@detroitmechworks every day with few exceptions. They should be showing up on our feed if you are subscribed to caucus99percent on Twitter. However, I have not tested to see if we are being shadow banned.

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@gulfgal98

Did a people search. Apparently, it doesn't exist on twitter. Instead I get nice little 6 helpful suggestions on who I SHOULD follow.

Hillary Clinton... Funny thing, I BLOCKED HER.
2 Barack Obama accounts.
2 Bernie Sanders accounts.
and Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez.

Sheepdog confirmed. Proof saved.

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@gulfgal98

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@detroitmechworks @detroitmechworks

I scroll through and see many posts linking to your essays on the Logos series here at c99%. I clicked a couple of these and it brought me right to the essay here. No problems.

I’m not a member of twitter myself, so I’m not logged in there or anything. I found your page there by searching google for your username. BTW, there’s someone else with @Detriot_15 (with underscore), so almost the same name but it obviously not you. So I searched again, being more careful on the exact name, and found you right away. All of your logos posts and links appear to be present and working.

Edited to add screenshot for you.

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@CS in AZ spelling. Try searching for C99 under people.

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in ALL Twit searches.
@detroitmechworks
Their Search function sucks.

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@Wink That I'm totally wrong, and will never bring this up again.

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@Brett Wilkins
someone reveals his race and image without hesitation. Respect alone for that. Now that you are here why don't you forget about little Napoleon and his big fights to crash the gates. May be you do not know about that. Do not worry, he put up more gates than crashing any.

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@mimi
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@mimi Maybe I'm just old school, but I don't remember learning anything about screen pseudonyms and avatars in J-school. That's because there wasn't any Internet to speak of, lol.

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I only have an issue with one sentence:

Once upon a time, Kos, like so many of the centrist hawks hawked on his site, was a bonafide progressive.

I think that was a mirage.

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@gjohnsit Mirage indeed! The little former CIA dude is now showing his true color.

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@gulfgal98

A lot of us here wonder about that, and whether Daily Kos was ever anything but a CIA psyop.

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@TheOtherMaven whether Daily Kos was ever anything but a CIA psyop.

Agent Orange.

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@Not Henry Kissinger ROTFLMAO!

I don't know what I'd do without you, NHK.

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@gulfgal98

... find out sooner or later that it is an exercise in futility. The weather is harsh, temperatures sub-freezing, terrain unforgiving, and the journey perilous. At some point, you accept the inevitable and retreat with your tail between your legs -- confronted with a harsh dose of reality and greatly diminished by the experience.

If any doubts, ask the German army or little Napoleon. Neither could tame Mother Russia. Then, you either end up losing badly or in Elba.

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@JekyllnHyde I really hate the fact that some of those NATO troops on the Russian border are German. Who the fuck puts German soldiers on Russia's western border? What exactly are we trying to relive here? It's foreign policy insanity.

Does anybody else feel like somebody wants to re-fight World War II?

It's a good thing the Russian government doesn't react the way ours does. What we've done is the rough equivalent of having Russian battleships line up along our West Coast, but even that doesn't cover it, since Russians have never actually attacked the U.S. Maybe more like having Japanese guys flying planes over Hawaii.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

My comment had more to do with the "Russia, Russia, Russia" obsession that conspiracy theorists centrists like Rachel Maddow have been feasting on for the past couple of years. Too many people have been betting on this as an established fact of Russian meddling as the sole cause of Hillary's defeat in 2016 and arguing for Trump's impeachment. When the GOP took that route in 1997-98, it didn't quite work out for them, did it?

That said, watch this recent video in which Professor Cohen of NYU and Princeton takes Neocon Max Boot(licker) to task about Boot's interpretation of the history of Soviet-US relations. Boot called Cohen "an apologist for Russia for 45 years." "I don't do defamation of people," Cohen replied and proceeded to enlighten Boot about what had actually taken place. Anderson Cooper looked relieved when the exchange was over. (go to about 8:05 mark of the video)

Stephen Cohen DEMOLISHES neocon tool Max Boot on CNN

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@gjohnsit has always been an opportunist looking out for no. 1: himself.

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@gjohnsit . Markos was CIA from day 1. I was there and caught on quickly. There is a reason the site is set up to ban dissent from progressives.

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@Battle of Blair Mountain He herded us, and we flocked right in, because that's what people do when they have nowhere else to go.

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insurgency", supported by many on this blog. More and better democrats. How else could it be described. It's about electing progressives to the democratic party. I guess the only difference depends on the definition of better.

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@Big Al That's correct. That's why I'm not part of that discussion.

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of posting my GBCW there. I posted it HERE. Sorry you ran afoul of that nest of vipers, but unfortunately it's the only "Left" website the MSM will mention. Of course there's a reason for that, TOP follows the party line.

Welcome, hope you enjoy your stay.

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Great first post. Reading it, I was sorry you didn't realize what a cesspool you'd stumbled into two years ago ... but I'm glad you found your way here. I think you'll find yourself much happier, and better respected for your unique voice and research. I'm looking forward to seeing more of your work!

Only one small quibble: I don't think Kos ever was a bona fide progressive, much as he'd like people to think.

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Obama is universally revered at Daily Kos

I read your diary and then the rebuttal to it. I liked yours better. Nothing you said in it was untrue, but it was just like any criticism of Her over there. It is not tolerated. Even when quoting from the NYT or WaPo I was said to be spreading right wing talking points.

Face it. Some of the kos members are so far gone in their adulation of Barry and Hillary that they can't see straight. They refuse to see that they stayed silent when Barry did the same damned things that George did and they were all over him for it.

The funny thing is that Markos himself wrote a diary critical of Hillary in 08 stating that she is "too much of a Clinton Democrat" and that she shouldn't be president. Hey Markie, nothing has changed since you wrote that except that Hillary did more things that if a republican SOS had done them you would have been all up in their git. This my dear boy is called hypocrisy.

a pack of rabid hyenas howling deliriously

Such an apt description.

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@snoopydawg Agree, and I have an additional name for it, which happens to begin with the same phoenetic.

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@Eagles92 equines?

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@gulfgal98 But now that you mention it! Lol

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@snoopydawg So, so glad to be outta there. I am debating whether or not to post this there under my GF's DK account she's never used. But reading the replies would probably just take precious minutes off of my life — both because of the time wasted and the negative effects on my mental and physical health!

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@Brett Wilkins

...that you didn't. Not all pearls should be cast before all swine. Some should be held close to provide inner illumination and not spent on the unworthy.

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@Pluto's Republic

Nothing would be gained by you posting this on ToP. They rejected you and your writing and they would not look at this objectively. It the 'leading a horse to water' thing...

Enjoy our embrace and bring your writing to where it will be appreciated.

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@Brett Wilkins

IIRC people had a problem with you saying that Obama was never a

I was going to write that Obama’s endorsement list tears open the old wounds of 2016. But those wounds haven’t yet healed. They’ve festered because Democrats, or at least the ones in charge, have stubbornly failed to learn the lessons of 2016 and are instead hell-bent on blaming everyone from Vladimir Putin to Sanders, Stein and socialists, instead of the bloody horrific candidate they ran

And after this truthful statement the first comment was about your sources. No rebuttal at all about what you said about Herheinous. Then you were slammed for writing at Common Dreams and Counterpunch. Wow! When did those site become right wing in their opinion? Just Wow.

My favorite comment though:

You don’t blame Vladimir Putin? Why?

Your tweet that Trump has been harsher on Russia that Obama was has been verified, but that fact gets in the way of their fallacy that Trump is Putin's BFF in the biblical sense. I first started seeing homophobic graphics on the website that claims it is the most liberal in the nation. Yeah. Going from supporting LBQT issues to hinting that the lifestyle is bad has got to be the most hypocritical thing about that place.

Second favorite comment when you said no such thing:

It’s trashing Obama and promoting Jill Stein that’s the problem

And your defense of that comment is what got you banned. You stated that Stein was not qualified to be president. Nothing wrong with that and you did admit that Hillary was the most qualified person to be president. Nothing wrong with that. But then you added that she had so much blood on her hands so not sure that qualified is such a great thing to be when it comes to being the leader of the world's number one killer of foreign civilians. Nothing wrong or untruthful with that statement either.
That people ignored that fact on the site the last 10 years is just mind boggling.

Your getting banned because of that diary shows me how far the 'most liberal' website has fallen since BHO became president.

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@snoopydawg ... if it weren't for the fun of pissing off the personality cultists in Obama's years. NOT having the place as an universal admiration society for Obama was what made their spittle fly. The fact that most of them simply transferred their adoration to Her in 2015-16 is the most completely unsurprising development ever.

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This is the thing that rang so true with me. I even got into it with Armando that dkos was actually promoting self censorship because if you didn't do it on certain topics, you got bojo'd. I never got bojo'd. I just left because I am vehemently against any form of censorship, be it self censorship or otherwise.

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@gulfgal98 Something some here don't like to admit or even talk about, but it's a fact. Pretty hard to avoid I suppose when it comes to this kind of thing. The majority will push on the minority and many will not feel like it's worth it to challenge. Or some might not feel they're knowledgeable enough or whatever enough to comment on things.

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@Big Al

Something some here don't like to admit or even talk about, but it's a fact.

It's not very effective then! LOL
Maybe we need some training.

/s

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@gjohnsit You're discounting what some others are feeling relative to posting here?

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@Big Al
But the comparison was to dkos.
Has anyone been bojod here for an opinion?

To be fair, I self censor a little because of the nsa

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@gjohnsit
not for fear to get ridiculed or put down by other members of this site, but for fear of being surveilled too closely. Sure people are worried, we are all scared, or folks are talking in tongues (at least it sounds to me like that often) to obfuscate and confuse the search engines for content.

And I think your tit for tat with Big Al isn't going places. A lot of people who posted here in the beginning do not anymore. I really think it would be worth while knowing why that is. At least I miss those voices. And I am for sure the person who understands the least of all commentator's opinions.

I think I saw you for the first time posting a comment on Joe's EB lately. ... Unknw

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@mimi

we are all scared

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@mimi

We're small potatoes. Nobody cares about me or us. The only thing I self-censor is wishing someone like Trump or Obama dead, choked by a peanut, using phrases like blow up the party. As far as Al's comments, I have no clue. Whatever he is seeing here is missing me by a mile.

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@dkmich Every now and then this or that publication will cite caucus99percent. But nowhere near DK's level of recognition. That could be a good thing.

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@mimi

I self-censor, not because of any anonymous surveyors (NSA included) - but because I care about what I say in response to the people here and how it might be received … and because I want to keep my sense of integrity intact for myself.

I too wonder why some former respected commenters have chosen not to continue commenting. There are probably numerous reasons why, one of which I believe is because certain perspectives can seem too extreme or biased to identify with, and can be a deterrent.

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@janis b

Voices shared
walked on
don't know why
yes i do
too much drive through
not enough food

we're here, still
community
in this sky
asking why
giving comfort
don't know why

staying
because of you
not too much longer though
if tides turn the way there are
have been of late
playing songs of hate
must cease to relate
for honor's sake.

Thank you!

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@smiley7

Keeping the faith will forever be a challenge, but it is an honourable challenge that we are charged with. I hope that we can continue to do it together.

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@janis b Gives me goosebumps still.

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@Eagles92 @Eagles92

I think we often share much in common musically. I find many of Marc Cohn's songs emotive, especially that one. Every time I listen it brings tears.

I know this is one of our favourites ...

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@janis b Can't express how much I love this one. So great you remember our musical commonality!

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@janis b

...but because I care about what I say in response to the people here and how it might be received

I am not good at it. May be because

... because I want to keep my sense of integrity intact for myself.

I am basically too tired to censor my words in order not to hurt other people's feelings these days.

I try, but lately I wasn't. Since I am back in Germany, everything went downhill and I am just unhappy. I also talk personally here. As for Big Al and gjohnsit's disputes, I am on Big Al's side. He is just a little sensitive and too 'unhappy' (boy did I self-censor myself with this expression or what?). Have mercy with Big Al.

I think we should fed-ex Big Al a big German chocolate cake. That might help. Smile

Nothing for Ungood. I can survive here only making silly jokes.

Peace.

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@mimi for self-censorship. I just bowed out of a forum dealing with a practical skill with which I have about 50 yrs. of experience because some of the members were more interested in virtue policing than in sharing techniques and information. No, I was not asked to leave, I simply did not return. Life is too short.

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@janis b I figured it was just because politics is so damned depressing right now, and might even seem pointless to some. We lost a lot of voices after the 2016 election debacle. And I'm not talking about the one in November.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

I think your notion is probably closer to the reason why some stopped participating. On reflection, my comment was likely more a projection of what I myself sometimes felt.

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@gjohnsit I now won't post comments in your "diaries" and I know others won't as well. I also don't post essays here anymore, been almost two months and numerous others don't as well. That's self censorship. There doesn't have to be a threat of banning for self censorship to occur. And like I said, I'm sure there are many people who would like to join a debate but don't for one reason or another. That's self censorship. In one way, it's the nature of blogging and commenting, in others it's because of the atmospheres created.
As for the NSA, I don't think you have anything to worry about.

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@Big Al

I also don't post essays here anymore, been almost two months and numerous others don't as well. That's self censorship.

Do you have another place that you feel more free to speak? I ask because there may be something we can learn from there.

As for the NSA, I don't think you have anything to worry about.

You are probably right, but if you aren't that's a huge thing to get wrong.

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@Big Al

Why don't you comment in gjohnsit's diaries or post your own diaires here? What are you afraid of? What is putting you off?

I find gjohnsit totally open to opposing positions, and he puts more effort into disclaimers than I ever would and he still has some people taking issue with his opinions. c99 is a pussycat. If you can't post your opinions here, I don't know where anyone can.

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@dkmich @dkmich referring to Daily Kos. I responded (I should have self censored) that I felt it occurred here also and most blogs in general. I used myself as an example but I know other people who are here or have been here feel the same way.
It's being viewed as impossible evidently that it could occur on this blog and that my and others "feelings", which are basically the foundation of self censorship, must be wrong. We couldn't possibly feel that way because there's no reason for self censorship here. All while being told how open this blog is, which is a bit ironic because there doesn't appear to be much openness related to this issue.
And is gjohnsit off limits relative to challenging his opinions?
I'm just going to drop it now and continue to self censor.

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@Big Al @Big Al

Feeling something only makes it so for you. It doesn’t make it a truth. If people here weren’t supportive of your right to express yourself and the opportunity for others to hear you, they wouldn’t be asking you not to retreat. It doesn’t mean you won’t get disagreement and maybe someone will even be rude, but “the group” is urging you to share.

I grew up as what I see as an overly sensitive female. Wearing my heart on my sleeve was not a good thing for me. Coping required me to put my feelings in what I see as their proper place/perspective. In English this means I can be understanding and lack empathy(feelings) because I have devalued them. I only share this to explain my “style” of communication. Many are shocked by my directness. I can see it in their face. If I have said something to you that made you feel bad, it was never my intent.

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@Big Al @gjohnsit
and the atmosphere ain't the same anymore since ... well ... I do not self-censor myself ...since you took over the front page. JtC must have his reasons why he gave you the privilege to do so, and I respect his decisions, but it changed the atmosphere.

I was banned because I said GBCW at dailykos myself in 2015. I remember I have been at dailykos since its beginnings in 2004. I was banned so fast in 2015 that I could not even log off from dailykos. So for the last years if I went over to dailykos I still saw myself in the banned but logged in status. I just checked it. Now I am non existing at dailykos. I am sure you could search for my name there. Try it and tell me if there is still something that is called mimi. I doubt it.

I remember when and how dailykos was created. It came out of a guy named Rusty and his kuro5hin thingy. Without Meteor Blades that site would never have taken off. I am not willing to give no respect and credit when and to whom and where it is due, at least imo.

Thinking about all that makes me really sad.

Clearly there are quite some people who posted and commented here in the beginning in 2015 and 2016 who are not here anymore and that is a big loss. This site had many voices back then and it has not anymore.

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@mimi @mimi

First, gjohnsit contributes for free a ton of work to this site. No blog exists without writers. In return, gjohnsit gets to post directly to a front page that most of agree we never even look at. If the front page exists for no purpose and it is creating divisiveness, JtC should just delete it. How some people can be jealous and resentful over so little is beyond me.

The people who were here and left, left for good or don't blog much anymore and just come to say hello. IMO, those who left because they couldn't deal with c99's unconventional politics and found slight at every turn - yet put up with dailykos bullshit for years - are no loss. They are probably nice people entitled to their views, but snowflakes and hypocrites as well, who have long been replaced by new people less judgmental of c99 and other people.

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@dkmich
it's purpose is for those that are not familiar with us and are coming to c99p for the first time. It tells the world who we are and if folks like what they see then hopefully they'll dig further into our content.

It's also a filter that keeps some of the essays that are better off not displayed to the world, such as when we are airing out our dirty laundry pie fights and meta discussions. And also for the occasional essay posted that is not really representative of us but because of our open discussion ethos is left published.

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@JtC

It's also a filter that keeps some of the essays that are better off not displayed to the world...

The front page has served everyone well.

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@JtC

You would know better than I if it still serves a purpose. I'm just speaking pragmatically for those of us out in the field.

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@dkmich
that comment wasn't meant for you specifically but for those out in the field.

I've seen the front page questioned repeatedly lately and thought this was as good a spot as any to make some clarifications.

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@dkmich

I don't understand how gjohnsit's ability to post his essays to the front page would change anything here. As you also said most people don't even look at the front page. IF one wants to find a problem then it's easy to look for one.

I don't feel that I have to self censor myself here. If people don't like what I say that's okay because this isn't an echo chamber where if you don't agree with someone you get kicked off the island.

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@dkmich
who is not that easily to deal with, like Big Al. It is not really my business. What I think about Big Al's comments is irrelevant. I just do not know why everything has become so difficult to deal with. Either I have changed a lot or something has changed in my perception.

Chaqu'un a son plaisir, I guess.

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@mimi @mimi

We all want to support Al. Some of us just aren't willing to acquiesce so as not to hurt someone's feelings when it isn't about them to begin with. I don't mean to pick on Al. According to him, he isn't alone.

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@mimi

it's the atmosphere created ....
and the atmosphere ain't the same anymore since ... well ... I do not self-censor myself ...since you took over the front page. JtC must have his reasons why he gave you the privilege to do so, and I respect his decisions, but it changed the atmosphere.

The front page was created a few months after c99p went live in January of 2015. The very first front pagers that were given the ability to promote their own essays were gjohnsit, Joe and Robyn, so I don't know how you can claim that the atmosphere has been changed since gjohnsit was given the "privilege" to promote his own work and "took over the front page". He's been there since day one of the front page.

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@JtC @gjohnsit
I don't remember he was on the front page since the beginning. I also forgot that he works for free. I am really sorry for what I said. I remember now a couple of comments he made that make my comment a piss-poor one. So, yes, that was a bad comment. Sorry gjohnsit. I just wished we could have more harmony among the different members here.

I think I just do not remember things anymore correctly.

I understand your arguements for having the front page. I should not have said what I felt, it wsas simply my own feeling in the last couple of month and as that not relevant.

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@mimi

It gave you a chance to test their validity. If you had kept quiet, you would be laboring under several wrong assumptions. Now that would be unfair to you and gjohnsit.

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@mimi

Submitted by JtC on Fri, 08/17/2018 - 2:54pm
For the sake of clarification...
@dance you monster
Big Al also has editor status and can promote his work to the front page as well, it's been that way for a year or so.

Just thought I'd throw that in for the minds that may inquire.

mimi you have a big heart.

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@dkmich
here
Thanks for helping me out, dkmich. I really did not want to escalate the issue any further, especially because I had made so many wrong assumptions, due to my incapability to keep up things correctly in my memeory.

I just wished gjohnsit would forgive me for my comments and misconceptions.

My doctor said I have too big a heart and that is causing me problems, literally. No kidding. I have a heart condition since I was 21. I just ignored it. Smile

Thanks for helping me through this awkward thread.

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@mimi

THAT'S what this is all about? Gjohnsit posts to the front page and Big Al doesn't?

For anyone who doesn't recall, I think it was my comment to Big Al in a gjohnsit essay that dkmich upthread referred to as "rude." Big Al subsequently admitted that his comment had made it all about him, not about the topic of the essay, and I had called him on that, bluntly. 'Nuff said.

Big Al, I agree we all self-censor for a variety of reasons, and I had been tempted then to self-censor my reaction to your comment. I was right in my reaction, but I was going to let it slide. Then I didn't, and we had a little meta battle for a few days here.

Big Al, I will implore you to self-censor any pettiness, and I will try to do likewise. But do not, ever, self-censor your ideas, your goals, your strategies, your counter-arguments. We need those words and those ideas. They make c99p work; they make us think. I only took you on when you abandoned those ideas to dwell on some perceived popularity contest. We may not agree on everything (though you'd be shocked at how much we do agree on), but without the debate none of us could make a case that anyone would take seriously.

Mimi, sorry to hijack your thread here, but this seemed to need airing.

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@dance you monster

I think it was my comment to Big Al in a gjohnsit essay that dkmich upthread referred to as "rude."

I see the "I think" up above so I know you are speculating or otherwise musing outloud, but trust me, I was speaking in generalities and not to you. If I'm anything, I'm oblivious to my surroundings. If you pushed back at Al, it too probably went right over my head.

I do agree with you and JtC, and I don't get the miffed feelings that lay? lie? dormant around here. If we were anymore open, the wind would rattle through here at gale force.

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@dkmich

But I was most visibly at the headwaters of that meta flood.

No prob between us. I'm hoping any problem between me and Al will subside.

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@dance you monster
Big Al also has editor status and can promote his work to the front page as well, it's been that way for a year or so.

Just thought I'd throw that in for the minds that may inquire.

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@JtC

Makes a helluva lot more sense to me than this ongoing whatever-it-is. Yup, I self-censored.

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@dance you monster I hope to see you next Wednesday. It will be an essay I've been not looking forward to writing, about what stops us from acting. It would be good for you to be around.

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@dance you monster

This dialog would never have happened anywhere else. Everyone would be name calling, throwing donuts, and otherwise flying off the handle. No problem between us before or now. I just wanted to be sure you knew that I wasn't addressing you or anything you did.

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@JtC

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@dance you monster @dance you monster

THAT'S what this is all about? Gjohnsit posts to the front page and Big Al doesn't?

There have been made arguments for having a front page and I respect them. I have felt a bit suffocated by a couple of writers and commentators and I am sure that is just my own personal impression lately. I am pretty sure it will be over in a while.

I also don't remember the whole story that lead to your Big Al relationship thingy. I can't get that involved in such things.
End of argument.

Can we have peace now?

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@dance you monster I can't speak for mimi, but no, it's not about the front page at all from my standpoint. Actually JtC gave me front page authority as well, but I was uncomfortable with that and didn't use it. He made the decisions on whether my essays were front paged. As I said above, I was simply responding to a comment by gulfgal regarding self censorship, stating that it doesn't just happen at Daily Kos, it happens here also. For some reason, it's getting all tangled up in blue. But thanks for admitting you also self censor at times. That was my point.

Why I self censor is something I'm going to have to self censor, because it would open another can of worms. Suffice it to say that this didn't help.

Bottom line, I'm not a democrat and never have been. I was a troll at Daily Kos, that's all.

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@Big Al
I feel a bit sorry about how this thread has evolved and wished we had given you another nicer welcome.

Hopefully you come back. I would be very interested in what you have to say. Fore sure.

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@mimi

This did get hijacked. But as I said above, c99 is the only place that is able to have a discussion about disagreements as opposed to everyone getting pissed off, throwing donuts, name calling, and bannings. Brett did get to see the worst of us perhaps, but it ain't all that bad. Having said that, you are absolutely right. What a lousy welcome for a noob.

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@mimi I think gjohnsit has taken over the front page because he writes more than anybody else does. He certainly writes a lot more than I do. If I dropped two or three essays a day, I'm fairly sure some of them would end up FP'd.

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of blogging and commenting,
@Big Al
in others it's because of the atmospheres created."
Then that's their problem.
Becuz it is the nature of web boards, blogging.
A few women (and men, maybe) have left (or no longer post) becuz of things I've posted.
Others have stayed despite what I've posted.
It is the nature of the beast.
As for the "atmosphere" here... it's a helluva lot better than most places.
If people are whining about these things then they haven't been to very many places like this on the 'Net.

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@Big Al We do not have bannings based upon topics or roving gangs HR'ing people. It is also the reason why we do not show who has up rated an essay or a comment and why we do not have down ratings.

You and I have disagreed on a lot of things and we have very much agreed on a lot of things. Just because I do not completely accept your opinion on one thing does not mean that I disagree with you on everything. It is called having a simple difference of opinion. And personally, I believe that to be very healthy. You have changed my mind on some things while you have not on others. No one of us is totally right on everything and I am willing to keep my mind open to new ideas and even some old ones. Smile

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@Big Al But there are no roving gangs of bullies doing hatchet jobs on people, even going to the length of organizing on FB so that they can swarm a particular author's diaries and turn each one into a flame war. DK was like high school when high school is particularly horrible: bullies have the run of the place and have all the teachers and administrators on their side, and anybody who disagrees is put through the wringer. The breaking point for me was when a woman was being accused of "making up" the story of her sexual assault so she could "entrap" a man into being bojo'd. People did that too; tried to bait dissidents into saying something that could be construed as a reason for banning. It was horrendous.

What you have on C99 is not a DKos-style abuse factory, where the point seems to be breaking dissidents and driving them into silence, but simply a site where the strongest voices are still pushing an outmoded strategy. That doesn't mean that there haven't been comments I looked at askance, particularly in the argument you bring up here (should we support the Democratic party or not).

As you know, I'm not thrilled that so many here still want to pursue this strategy. That's a mild way of putting it (perhaps I am self-censoring now?) But I'm not going to tell them they can't have their opinion. I just mostly stay out of their diaries.

If you think they have an outsize influence on the site, well, that's because they're the ones, in fact, gjohnsit is the *one*, writing the most essays. If somebody else puts in that much time and effort, they will become equally influential.

Markos' site is a rigged game. This site isn't.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal now I'm completely sorry I even commented to gulfgal, for even bringing it up, for even speaking my mind. What does that say? It says I'll never make a comment about this site again for fear of getting accused of whining and feeling something I shouldn't feel. I never said anything about roving gangs or bojo or whatever. If someone doesn't want to comment or write essays because they don't want to deal with the pushback, that's self censorship. You and everyone else here might not agree with the person self censoring, but that's what it is.
It's no big deal to me actually, I was just making a comment. It wasn't worth the fucking time so I just won't comment or debate unless I have some information to relay.

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@Big Al Darn it, Al, I'm not saying you shouldn't feel your feelings. I'm responding to the part where you said this is like Dkos. That's all. I don't think it's like DKos. That doesn't mean everything you think and feel is wrong.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

I am (probably stupidly) — and I promise it will be very briefly — coming out of self-sensorship mode for a minute to say, look back at Al’s original comment.

He responded to GG’s subject line and her last sentence saying she opposes self-censorship.

Al said that self-censorship happens here too. He did not say this place is like Daily Kos. Al obviously knows and we all know there’s no flags/hidden comments here.

But good lord, just look at the pile on he subsequently received, for merely mentioning even the slightest point, that participation on c99 also requires self-censorship at times. His words were attacked and misinterpreted and piled on by multiple people. (Also note who was first, and least respectful, in going after him.)

I think Al’s point is simply that for some of us, this kind of pile-on makes it often not worth speaking ones truth, so we don’t. I am definitely self-censoring most of my opinions and views now, and trying very hard to stick to more non-controversial topics. And I am required to avoid the specific high-profile writer who told me in no uncertain terms that I am not welcome to offer my comments in his essays or reply to his comments. And he wrote a popular, much recommended essay in which he stated that some of his comments had been challenged (by me and Big Al), but “should not have been” challenged. He got no push back from the mods or admin or the community (except one person), for that position, thus I assume he’s supported in that stance and is allowed to make rules like that. Result is, I feel muzzled. Woof. Which was clearly the intention.

It’s ok, I’m not whining, there’s other good writers and content here. I’ve been back and forth with myself on whether to stay around and accept the muzzle, or book off. But as many have said, despite this site not being “perfect” it’s still the best thing going that I know of. So I’m still here, and following the rules as best I can so as not to be booted out or give JtC headaches. I feel compelled to apologize for even saying anything about this. I fell off the wagon again. Oops. Self censorship fail. I’ll kick myself, so no one else needs to.

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@CS in AZ @CS in AZ Well, unless you feel I compel you to self-censor, hang out in my OT, which will be getting better shortly, I promise. This week I merely had a convulsion brought on by some political literature that got dropped in my mailbox, but that won't be the general trend.

I'd like to think I don't censor people, nor that I encourage self-censorship.

However, I think maybe we should consider the line between disagreement and the pressure to self-censor. If we confuse disagreement with censorship, or an encouragement to self-censor, aren't we going down a bad path? And I say this as somebody who was told, in no uncertain terms, that the reason I and Al were feeling bad was because we were in the minority here on this site. That was in the argument about whether or not it's bad to NOT vote. That's the sort of thing I meant when I said I look askance at some comments. But "some comments" doesn't equal "this whole site:" nor does "a few users" equal "this whole site."

I guess what I'm saying is that I think this problem is more localized than systemic. That's been the heart of Al's and my disagreement all along. I see a few users who are sometimes a little shitty to people with my perspective.

As for gjohnsit, I disagree with most of what he says, but I have no problem with his essays being front and center, because gjohnsit has done so much work that, of course his essays take up a lot of room. If we want our perspective to take up more room, then we need to write more. And I'm pointing that finger firmly at myself. I should be cranking out at least 2-3 essays a week, and I barely manage to crank out my OT. That's on me.

Point is, if we want to take up more space, we need to take it up; if some people--and I don't think it's many--are discouraging to us, we need to move forward anyway. Easier said than done, because it's hard to muster the energy for all that. But I'm not pissed at the site. In order to prevent the behavior we're describing as "encouragement to self-censor," the admins/mods would have to monitor every comment.

I'm not saying there has been no shitty behavior toward people with more radical perspectives; of course there has been some. In my opinion, the proper response to that is to write more. The fact that I haven't embarrasses me. But this place is nothing compared to DKos.

Here's what made me think that Al was comparing the place to DK:

Submitted by Big Al on Thu, 08/16/2018 - 11:48pm
gulfgal made a comment about self censorship,
@dkmich @dkmich referring to Daily Kos. I responded (I should have self censored) that I felt it occurred here also and most blogs in general.

I'm sorry if I misinterpreted that comment to be a comparison of self-censorship on DK to self-censorship here. That's what I thought he was saying, and that's why I responded as I did.

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@CS in AZ Please do not muzzle yourself in my OT, by the way. If people do that, the OT becomes pointless.

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@Big Al

Good for the goose is good for the gander.

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@Big Al I've been attacked here. Not at all the same thing. I've attacked others here for voting for Trump. Not at all the same thing. No one here ever got there tip jar vanished. Here there isnt an organized cyber team censoring the site.

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@gulfgal98 I never got bojo'd either, far as I know. I kind of self-bojo'd because I can't stand to give Markos my eyeballs anymore.

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Didn't post a GBCW, didn't say a word to anyone, just up and left. I don't think anybody missed me, or has noticed that I'm not there any longer.

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@TheOtherMaven No one miseed me either. Not even the person who gifted me a lifetime subscription. Sad

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@gulfgal98

When Janis posted about Riverlover over there some people came and read dkmich's essay and saw our comments and said that they see quite a few of us that they miss our commentary.

I'm still friends with some over there, but we agree to not talk about politics. The community diaries there have always been my favorites. Except the cats ones. I'm a dawg person. Plus the community helps people in dire straits and they have helped me a few times.

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@snoopydawg

The community diaries there have always been my favorites. Except the cats ones. I'm a dawg person. Plus the community helps people in dire straits and they have helped me a few times.

The community (most of it, anyway) was excellent. It's just the despot (and those who support his despotism) that are the problem......

edit: I dropped Ben Norton (source of the "despot" remark) a note asking him to please pay us a visit and consider joining our community.

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-- snoopydawg

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@thanatokephaloides

“If you’re resorting to cheap sloganeering like ‘oligarch’ or ‘warmonger’ or ‘neocon,’ you might want to reframe your argument in a more substantive, issue-focused and constructive matter,” Kos writes. “Again, I’m not interested in furthering the Right’s hate-fueled media machine.”

That is to say, in the mind of Daily Kos’ overlord, calling an oligarch an oligarch, a warmonger a warmonger, or a neocon a neocon — if that oligarch, warmonger, or neocon happens to be a Democrat (and many Democrats fall neatly into all three categories) — is just right-wing hatred, and will presumably lead to an immediate ban.

Heh! Then here's Markie in 2006. What a difference money makes for someone to change their opinions ehh? I referred to this one earlier today and in the past. Another must read.

Hillary Clinton: Too Much of a Clinton Democrat?

Hillary Clinton has a few problems if she wants to secure the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination. She is a leader who fails to lead. She does not appear "electable." But most of all, Hillary has a Bill Clinton problem. (And no, it's not about that. )
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Hillary Clinton leads her Democratic rivals in the polls and in fundraising. Unfortunately, however, the New York senator is part of a failed Democratic Party establishment -- led by her husband -- that enabled the George W. Bush presidency and the Republican majorities, and all the havoc they have wreaked at home and abroad.

How funny. I've been saying that because Obama was a leader who failed to lead and was part of a failed Democratic Party establishment Trump is president instead of Herheinous.

Our crashing of Washington's gates wasn't about ideology, it was about pragmatism. Democrats haven't won more than 50 percent of the vote in a presidential election since 1976. Heck, we haven't won more than 50.1 percent since 1964. And complicit in that failure was the only Democrat to occupy the White House since 1980: Bill Clinton.

Despite all his successes -- and eight years of peace and prosperity is nothing to sneeze at -- he never broke the 50-percent mark in his two elections. Regardless of the president's personal popularity, Democrats held fewer congressional seats at the end of his presidency than before it. The Democratic Party atrophied during his two terms, partly because of his fealty to his "third way" of politics, which neglected key parts of the progressive movement and reserved its outreach efforts for corporate and moneyed interests.

Remind you of anyone? Over 900 seats lost to the republicans during Obama's tenure seems to be the same thing Bill did during his tenure. Hmm ... anyone seeing a pattern? The rest of the article is a good read, but wait there's more.

Found this blast from the past that Lisa Lockwood wrote on ToP, but she cross posted it here. It's another great read.

#WhichDailyKos ? #WhichMarkos ?

Hillary Clinton:

..."doesn't deserve fairness on this site" because she "fails the test of the guiding principles of this site"...

...may be the establishment's choice, but real power in the party has shifted...

The last thing we need in the White House is another out-of-touch, tone-deaf Bush-style presidency, unable or unwilling to admit mistakes and change course as a result.

Clinton's campaign is counting on low-information Democratic voters selecting Clinton based on little more than name ID. …. SNIP …..
Does she think her audience is that stupid? Apparently so.

And therein lie Hillary Clinton's biggest problems. She epitomizes the "insider" label

….SNIP….
She's part of the Clinton machine that decimated the national Democratic Party

….SNIP….
her advisers have stripped what personality she has, hiding it from the public

….SNIP….
what remains is a heartless, passionless machine, surrounded by the very people who ground down the activist base in the 1990s and have continued to hold the party's grassroots in utter contempt.

Some of that came from his A Clinton Democrat article. Lots of old names in the comments who have stopped commenting here for some reason. Lisa included the link to her diary at ToP and the comments are fun to read. Of course it led to the usual pie fight there. Good times. Good times.

Thanks for the link to the article. I read the one you posted up thread. Nice.

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@thanatokephaloides

F*cking moran and dumb as rocks

On the flip side, if you think Clinton can’t win against Donald Trump, you are a fucking moron. Seriously, you are as dumb as rocks. “But!” you yell, “Her unfavorables are 54 percent!” Yes, they are! But a big chunk of that is Sanders supporters. Check out the chart below: see that inflection point when Clinton’s unfavorables overtook her favorables? That was April 2015. You know what month Bernie Sanders entered the campaign? April 2015. Most will come home after Sanders bows out.

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@janis b @snoopydawg
but I remember the community in the first years as a very good one, many people helped out others. I don't remember anymore when it became different. May be after Obama's election. Race and identity became overbearing issues of discussion. Sadly so.

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@mimi

they are the 'pootie' and dawg diaries that are always posted on the rec list. Then there are the diaries where they list the names of people who are in need and why they are. The most horrible thing that DK did was to ban the person who had helped raise tens of thousands for people because some snitch said that she wrote something on another website or something and without warning she was banned. She was never told why she was banned and for two months people slammed the help desk over it. Finally elfing said some weasel words that closed the subject and she is still banned.

The other diaries did change during Her's run for president during the primary though. The identity politics and calling people sexists and misogynists for any bit of criticism was just out right ridiculous!

I joined in 2005 when a friend of Kos told me about his site. But that was when he was pretending to be a progressive.

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@snoopydawg
from the early years on. And btw, I bet I changed more than the sites change. It is just a pain to grow old and forgetful. And I am getting less interested too. So, I should keep my mouth shut.

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@mimi that the handwriting was on the wall when Markos banned a brilliant commentator, "toquedeville" for some incomprehensible reason.

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@TheOtherMaven I'm debating whether to GBCW. I'm bojo'ed but my GF's account is active if never used. I'm leaning toward posting.

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@Brett Wilkins

Don't go back to post.

Yeah, I know the impulse, and the thought that it will give you a sense of closure. But the comment section of a GBCW is where every rabid asshole over there is going to do their damnedest to get you riled up more (while giving Markos a page-click bonanza he doesn't deserve).

Let it go. Nestle in here. The wounds will heal faster in cooling waters than they will in a bath of acid.

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@Brett Wilkins ... that didn't actually say GBCW. Posted it first here. The next day Kos put up his horrible story wishing ill to poor whites in coal country who voted for Trump. A few commenters speculated that was Kos doubling down after my highly rated diary. They might have been right. Kos didn't like me at all, and I know that last post of mine chapped his ass.

A well crafted story that blows holes in the precious fantasies of the echo chamber would be a very worthwhile valedictory, if you want to bother.

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@TheOtherMaven

You would be missed now. What you have to say is important.

I watch for your comments.

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@Pluto's Republic

but I like to think I usually land 'em on or close to the target. Smile

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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@smiley7 Thank you!

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at Orange Dead State.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@Bollox Ref

Hillary's campaign paid people to go into websites where people were saying things critical about her and telling them how wrong they were. They received such a warm welcome that many stayed and became members. This kept the number of membership up. Most of the Correct the Record folks have numbers in their usernames. I guess that is how they kept track of their comments so they could get paid.

BTW. What her campaign did was borderline against election law. How were the hill-bots any different from the so called Russian-bots? Both were spreading disinformation right?

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@snoopydawg

His (her?) every post (seemingly) included an invocation that the Clintons were worthy of complete homage for their unbounded gloriousness!!?

No wonder I received admin notes when taking the p**s in Blackwaterdog's god-awful picture hagiographies.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@Bollox Ref

Any diary that has a photo of "The Man" becomes an echo chamber in two seconds flat.

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@Bollox Ref

OMFG how I hated those. A Justin Bieber fan club of 12 yos had nothing on that group of beliebers.

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My first Essay here was on the subject of "the Ides of March Decree", as Kos' expulsion of everyone not totally "with Her" is known around here.

The Essay was short, sweet and to-the-point; I warned the c99 community that a huge influx of Daily Kos refugees would soon be arriving here and would need help learning the ropes hereabouts. My prediction came true; you yourself are part of that.

And my remarks regarding asking for help remain true as well. Our c99 community has done a great job mastering the ways and means around here, so JtC (Johnny the Conqueroo, c99's Proprietor) doesn't have to do it all. And that's a good thing, because it's clear that the influx of refugees from Daily Kos isn't going to end any time soon!

So welcome! And do please post Comments, too. I read some of yours over on Kos and I think yours would be welcomed and respected here.

Smile

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-- snoopydawg

@thanatokephaloides

On the flip side, if you think Clinton can’t win against Donald Trump, you are a fucking moron. Seriously, you are as dumb as rocks.

-Markos

Yeh, he really had it figured out.

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@gjohnsit

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A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma

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@JekyllnHyde

This is one of my favorites

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@JekyllnHyde Thanks as always, JnH.

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I have one question: how did you find out about c99%?

(oh and as for me I started posting at DKos in 2006 -- when The Edict was issued in March of 2016 I saved most of my diaries at this site and deleted every last one of them from Orange.)

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@Cassiodorus gjohnsit got banned from there because he was deleting his diaries from there and archiving them elsewhere.

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@gulfgal98 gjohnsit can certainly speak for himself here, though. I managed to get most of my diaries out before the admins had the foggiest idea of what I was doing, perhaps. I'm still a Trusted User over there!

https://www.dailykos.com/user/Cassiodorus

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somewhat long in gestation and slow to arrive, but known to be necessary for a long, long time due to some of that same mind clouding miasma you speak of. There was the constant need to kowtow not only to the official dogma, but also the roving mobs of thought police, completely stifling free and open exchange of ideas, information and opinions. Thanks for joining us.

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@enhydra lutris

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Life's too short to subject your mind and soul to such abuse. You're better off.

Kos is a creep of the highest order, and he and his purposefully dysfunctional site represent the truly worst in American politics - not just for normalizing horrendous censorship and encouraging a gang warfare mentality to political discussion, but for maintaining the outright deception of pretending to work for progressive reform when he and his cabal are actually working night and day to prevent any reform from taking place.

The whole place is built on a lie.

I've recently been informed by the anonymous admin Demo-gods at Daily Kos, to whom I’ve contributed 154 articles over the past two-plus years, that I would no longer be welcome to publish there.

It has long been said that Kos is to blogging what Tom Sawyer is to fence painting.

Welcome to a better place.

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The drama of the deep state in full factional meltdown makes Mario Puzo look like a dime store hack.

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I posted there from 2005 until 2017 when I was banned out of the blue for, as always, no stated reason.

On the other hand, I saw it coming, having seen the purge of Sanders' supporters there that began in 2016.

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@Steven D Looks like you're in a better place. Much better.

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is still allowed to post there.

Meteor Blades is a paid employee. He does what he told. I was disappointed most in him because he and I had numerous off-site exchanged via email, and I thought he was opposed to the direction Kos took in 2016, but obviously not that opposed when push game to losing a paycheck.

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@Steven D
at DKos. But I've watched him bend under pressure in the past and felt a bit sorry for him. Maybe he has family to feed. Unfortunately, the longer he continues to accept the more egregious DKos shit the less respect I have for him.

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@Steven D
and I remember in the early years he made comments about how low or even non existent any kind of monetary payments or reward there were. He wrote til blood popped out of his front head (or soemthing like it) and got nothing much for it. He helped the site to become what it was in the early years.

I think it would be nice if he would be a dkos traitor and would post something here. TOP deserves to be betrayed. I guess he is too much of an authoritarian to deal with this bunch of people here.

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@mimi

I think it would be nice if he would be a dkos traitor and would post something here.

It would be sickening to have what he has become in a place such as this. In my opinion, it would defile this site. We surely have some standards and self-respect.

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@Pluto's Republic @Pluto's Republic @Pluto's Republic
so I am not clear of what he became. I just remember him from the first three or four years of dailykos existence and his articles were educative for me. I remember when I started to 'see' him in a different light, but that I will not write about here. What for? I can change my opinions any time, right?

Defile? Really? Well, then, sometimes I even like a little dirt. So much for your defile judgment.

And you know that I am too dumb to understand most of your comments. I don't like to feel dumb, but that is just life. And one has to face one's own shortcomings, which I hereby do.

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@mimi

And it is harsh and emphatic. But it is no reflection on you. You have a kind heart and a different set of memories.

People came here damaged by the bullies that were birthed and coddled at Daily Kos, while he played the role of Pontius Pilate. It is disturbing. I stand in solidarity with a younger MB, who would have been horrified that he ended up so venal.

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@Pluto's Republic
conditioned itself to only remember the 'better' stuff and leave behind the 'worse'. I want to stay what I consider sane and not go nuts.

Need a break now. Thanks for your understanding.

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