As I was saying before the election hypnotized so many

Elections in our system are a very clever distraction from the "man behind the curtain" (actually a bad meme because it implies individual human acts replace systems forces). This has been demonstrated once more. Even Bernie was forced to play their game. He appears to have lost but illusions like that are based on lack of understanding.

The history of what we have just experienced goes back a long way in this country. The oligarchy has been with us all along even though it was not called that until recently.

The system works very well and this time it was impressive in its effectiveness. Bernie used it as well as he could and did a marvelous job of getting pieces of the message out to more people than ever before.

He also did a great job of exposing the democratic party for what it really is- an arm of the oligarchy. As one cartoon said it: the "left wing' and the "right wing" are parts of the same bird.

Finally,with that mess out of the way, the really serious among us can get back to the real task- transforming this society into a real democracy. A real democracy has to be based on an informed public. We never had that. Thanks to bernie it is better informed than ever before. However there is a long way to go. The journey of a thousand miles begins with one small step. We have taken some before and we need to go on now.

We can not stop the power the system has over us by going back to business as usual. Politics is more than rhetoric. It is how you live your life. The way we are living our lives now has helped stabilize a very suicidal system. Time is not on our side. We really do not need a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing. Let's get busy now!

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There is not even enough time to turn around our awful educational system. Young ones are lost unless we figure out how to stop rape and pillage of earth and creatures and try to come up with a Grand Undo.

Much to think about. But it takes many minds. Some may be here. But this is US-centric. And tick, tick. I think too much of that, off antidepressants now and suffering symptoms.

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Even with DC on the 14th, if Hillary locks up all 20 delegates, she does not have the 2383 needed pledged delegates, so contested convention come the 25th, and hopefully Bernie can make a good case of his better chances vs Trump then hers.

OR

She finally gets hauled in to see the FBI and goes to court, preferably before July 25th.

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So long, and thanks for all the fish

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I am trying to stay on a positive note. Trust me, I am watching the Oligarchy winning with this crapfest between the the DNC+MSM as they push their coronation through and down our throats. I teeter on the mindset of hoping Bernie can pull a miracle versus let the world get hit by a Gamma burst.

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first you must understand the situation....then you can be positive if your goals are realistic....even if it were wonderland and Bernie won we would still be basically where we are right now

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And disengage from politics because elections are just a distraction, but somehow change everything? Sounds like pretty weak tea so far.

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We can support Bernie and try to educate the populace at the same time.

But how?

I wrote articles for the newspaper of the Socialist Labor Party, The People, for a number of years. When that party collapsed, I published my own socialist monthly, Overtime, for about five years. I've given speeches and handed out leaflets. I've attended meetings and participated in demonstrations.

But the people as a whole are just as uninformed as they were before I was born.

What do you suggest that we do?

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ignorance. Lord knows I've tried for 5, 6 years myself. I suspect it's a case of people not wishing to look behind the curtain lest they discover what we know. The less they know the more blissful their existence. And, as long as their middle class paychecks continue to roll in they'll continue to look the other way, nothing to see that can harm them. HRC? Maybe not the one they wanted, but what harm can it do?
Bernie is right. Change happens from the bottom up. We change the minds of the bottom 20% - those making less than $25 K /yr. - there's a chance the top 80% will follow. But, until they feel what the bottom 20% feel they'll continue to look the other way.

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which is monolithic, you may be missing the fact that the security state is having a bit of disagreement with itself over Hillary Clinton. Whether or not we can use that to our advantage remains to be seen, but there are some strands here that have not resolved themselves and which are not predetermined. Because she has pissed certain very powerful people off, and thrown a wrench more than once into their plans, mainly through overweening arrogance.

Those people are not friends of mine, but they don't like Hillary Clinton and her machine any more than I do.

Also, there's the fact that while Obama is firmly on the side of the people who will ultimately fund his Presidential library and give him hefty speaking fees for the rest of his life, he also does NOT like Hillary Clinton, and he's not above figuring out a clever way to throw a wrench into her plans. The thing about Obama and his eleventh-dimensional chess is that he actually is plenty smart enough to play that kind of game--he's just never going to play it *for us*. If he has a personal reason to play a tricky game, I'd warrant there's few in DC better at it than him.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Clean house and then everything else becomes much easier to deal with. Right now it's like trying to climb up a waterfall.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

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Because Don sees, correctly, that our systems of power and wealth are wholly corrupt, he is, perhaps, not seeing that pieces of that system are fighting with each other.

Well, fighting is putting it too strongly. Having a disagreement. And it's over Hillary Clinton.

If that weren't true, there would BE no FBI investigation of her.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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It speaks to my own personal philosophy which is why I wrote about neo-liberalism in my Wed. Open Thread over the last seven weeks. After I get back from traveling, I intend to post more essays on neo-liberalism. The more we understand what we are up against, the better equipped we can become to combat it.

We can not stop the power the system has over us by going back to business as usual. Politics is more than rhetoric. It is how you live your life. The way we are living our lives now has helped stabilize a very suicidal system. Time is not on our side. We really do not need a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing. Let's get busy now!

Bernie performed a great service to this country by exposing the depth of corruption that there is and how little the two parties differ. We must work outside the electoral system first by growing the social movement that started with Occupy and that Bernie has given a voice to.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

There is an on-going media
black-out about it and about
what is being called the French
Revolution 2.0, which followed
on its heels when Hollande
shoved "employment reforms"
(quite "legally") through the
French parliament with the
result of there now being what
amounts to a massive general
strike in France - as only the
French can protest/revolt with
not only blocked roads and petrol
stations but refineries actually
set ablaze to state just some of
what is going on.

I have learned about this from
those fluent in French translating
articles from the French press at
Moon of Alabama as well as less
sporadically a couple of other
sites.

We badly need someone with
similar French linguistic as well
as internet research skills here
at c99p. German, too, because
I read scattered mentions of
"actions" happening there, too.
Not to mention protests and
strikes in Britain that the
Guardian is only barely
mentioning and then only in its
UK edition but not its US and
AU editions.

Then there were the students
who died on their way to a
peaceful protest at the parliament
in Papua New Guinea - met with
live fire from police before they
hardly got their march to
protest corruption even under
way. Heard about this last night
on BBC World radio.

In short, the world is erupting in
protest against neoliberalism
and its attendant now in-our-
faces corruption.

There is much to be learned
across borders. The hour is
late.

Tick. Tock.

I'll see if I can get the MoA
commentator, who posts at
Booman Tribune to cross-post
here.

Meanwhile, a c99p member,
Wendy Davis has been covering
much of this at her Café Babylon
site. This site has just been so
smothered with blather about
Daily Kos and (S)elections that,
well ... other people at other
sites, some long-term members
here, are way beyond where
most people posting and
commenting here seem to be.

Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock.

Edited to add:

Apologies for punctuation,
spelling, and grammar errors.
I'm typing on a blasted phone screen

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coalesced around Bernie, and gained access, of a sort, to the mainstream channels of communication through his campaign. Therefore, while Bernie was going through this process, it makes sense that a lot of people focused on the election. The key is to keep your wits about you while you're focusing there, and not forget that you're watching something which is simultaneously real and a lie.

Sarandon tried to articulate this before the CA primary. She said how moved she was at the large numbers of people who were turning out, coming together, and working hard, with such good will--but that, at the same time, given how much election fraud they had in NY, she was also cynical.

As my avatar says in Serenity, "There is no news. There is only the truth of the signal. What I see. And, there's the puppet theater the Parliament jesters foist on the somnambulant public." Sometimes both things are happening at the same place and the same time.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Bernie paved the way for a peaceful revolution, where passionate progressives hold politicians' feet to the fire. It remains to be seen how well this will work. They subverted OWS pretty well. However, the ideas never die. As wide spread misery grows the stability of the system erodes.

If peaceful protest fails, then more disruptive protests must arise. Interestingly, the world has been testing high tech means of disruptive protests that make it hard to completely quash the movement.

Remember: during the American Revolution only about 1/3 of the people supported independence.

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We, on this earth, are in transition. Everything is changing with or without us. We need to be ready for anything. With what has taken place in the past 12 months, it is evident we will experience transition in many forms. Be ready.

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jobu's picture

Politics is more than rhetoric. It is how you live your life.

John Dewey has made this argument more thoroughly than anyone I have ever read. I am surprised
that so few outside of online forums like this even know who he is, let alone the meaning of his most powerful, precise words:

Democracy is much broader than a special political form, a method of conducting government, of making laws and carrying on governmental administration by means of popular suffrage and elected officers. It is that, of course. But it is something broader and deeper than that. The political and governmental phase of democracy is a means, the best means so far found, for realizing ends that lie in the wide domain of human relationships and the development of human personality. It is, as we often say, though perhaps without appreciating all that is involved in the saying, a way of life, social and individual.
The key-note of democracy as a way of life may be expressed, it seems to me, as the necessity for the participation of every mature human being in formation of the values that regulate the living of men together: which is necessary from the standpoint of both the general social welfare and the full development of human beings as individuals. John Dewey, On Democracy

In other words, as Bernie has been saying right along, We're all in this Together.

Too bad we are being told its Hillary's World and we're just living in it.

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But then I was interested in early childhood education.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Occupy and Bernie got the ball rolling. Can someone put together a list of current options to coalesce around?

Personally, I'm Going Green until I see a better choice. There is Movement4Bernie and Brand New Congress that may or may not be the same Bernie staffers.

The people's Summit is coming up and I'm sure there are other groups including a reborn Occupy group. It would be nice to have a reasonably concise list of the diverse efforts underway. I don't have the chops to evaluate their expertise or what they bring to the table.

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Petraeus overlapped HRC while she was SoS at USCENT Comm and head of CIA before he got a wrist slap. They were both operating at the behest of someone else. BHO happened to be POTUS.

Am I getting warmer?

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they are all in it together...this thing I call "the system" others call the oligarchy or the establishment...we knew who BHO really was as soon as he appointed the Monsanto people to agriculture and FDA

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Or are they the puppets, or a little of both? Is there a man behind the curtain?

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the man behind the curtain is a distraction the system is too complex for single individuals or even groups to control it....it has been the case again and again that if you remove so called key people the thing just replaces them and grinds on....a bit spooky no? that's why so many prefer conspiracy theories

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An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the time. It stands or it falls on its own merits.

ago on that very topic:

"The Birth of a Movement, the
End of Democracy"

It is worth reading and rereading
as are the 90+ comments it
garnered, most of which are
excellent in themselves.

I highly recommend everyone
not only read the essay and
comments but study them,
then contribute comments of
your own as you feel inclined.

http://caucus99percent.com/content/birth-movement-end-democracy

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I'm actually thinking about another essay, about what elections actually mean, and the dangers of binary thinking.
That *could* lead into some "what next" speculations and brainstorming.
I'll start working on it today.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

thank you

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and that you can do it without being hypnotized--if

1)you see the electoral campaign as part of a larger movement that goes way beyond an election, and
2)you understand from the get-go that you're in a corrupt system.

There are benefits that come from a candidacy such as Sanders'. You listed some of them.

The problem comes because Americans are extraordinarily conditioned against accepting the fact that it's a rigged game. We just *have to believe* that the Truly Meritorious Individual Succeeds No Matter What. If you don't succeed, then you must not have been good enough somehow. Even if the game was rigged, a Truly Meritorious Individual would somehow overcome the rigging.

That's why Americans have such an odd attitude toward corruption. They can believe that both the government and the economy is corrupt, yet still act like everything's all right--BECAUSE A TRULY MERITORIOUS INDIVIDUAL WOULD BE ABLE TO OVERCOME ALL THAT. Thus, it's really each person's individual responsibility, isn't it? Corruption is really just a speed bump to the well-organized mind.

This is a poisonous belief system, and it's been used against us all six ways from Sunday.

Pretty much the only benefit that came out of the Wall St crash and subsequent bailout is that it struck that system of beliefs right in the gut with an iron poker, as Obviously Not Meritorious In Any Way individuals were rescued from the results of their catastrophic behavior repeatedly in a process that looked something like this:

[Video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mba2qb9do]

Oddly enough, that's also what Hillary's campaign has looked like! LOL

But anyway, once you really understand the system is corrupt, you can view the matter tactically, look at what tactical benefits you might get from a campaign, and proceed knowing that the other side is going to rig the game against you. You take that in stride; in the best case scenario, you make your plan assuming it! Sort of like I would have made the plan for Occupy to include and assume the fact that sooner or later paramilitary levels of force would be brought against the encampments in the form of cops or private security. You plan for that, go in knowing it will happen, and try to use its energy to move you into the next part of your plan.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver