April 7 Open Thread - Metric System Day

Oh whoopee, mensuration. This is so sad. When I looked for the title photo I at one point searched Flickr for "Meter" and up came a lot of pictures of electric meters, water meters, voltage meters, decibel meters and whatever. Other searches turned up a protester with a sign saying "Metric Now - cooking with imperial units sucks!". I guess cooking and carpentry might be the last to change, but the US and its businesses have changed a lot without announcing it. But a little backstory is perhaps warranted, and, for starts, Imperial Units and Customary US Units overlap a lot, but aren't identical, at least historically. So let's start.
When I was a wee lad in coastal California there were 2 systems of measurement, feet, inches, yards, miles and miles per hour, or, alternatively, fathoms, nautical miles, and knots, but never knots per hour which is landlubber speak. By junior high (late fifties) they introduced those of us in science class to the metric system, which was cool, in that it scaled up by factors of ten, but lacked anything roughly the size of a foot. There was, at the time, some pressure to convert over, like the rest of the world, but mucho resistance. It was probably coming someday so one needed a rough idea of size, 2.54 centimeters per inch, 39.4 inches per meter. 1.6 kilometers per mile (.6 miles per kilometer), and 2.2 pounds per kilo(gram). By the mid sixties, of course, everybody knew a kilo was 2.2 pounds, but that wasn't really about science.
By high school, miles and all that was for carpentry, cars and track. We ran yards, 100, 440 (1/4 mile), and 880 (1/2 mile), and jumps and vaults and such was feet and inches. But science now had 2 systems. Chemistry was cgs (centimeter, gram, second), while physics was mks (meter, kilogram, seconds). Chemistry volumes were mililiters or cubic centimeters which conveniently enough were related in that a cc of water at standard temperature and pressure took up one mililiter. Never really messed with volumes much in physics, but presumably liters was the thing. Nobody, I mean nobody would try to do physics in pounds, feet, and inches because it was just too crazy, nobody except engineers. You see, there was the pound problem. A pound of butter weighed a pound, 5 pounds of flour weighed 5 pounds, and that was just completely wrong. WEIGHT IS A FORCE. Metric forces are in Newtons, a kilogram-meter per second squared. If a pound was a weight, then what the hell was the mass, the equivalent of the Kilogram? Well, it turns out that it was something called a slug that nobody had ever heard of until they ran into the pound problem. It is a mass, equal to the mass that would accelerate at 1 foot per second squared when a force of one pound acts on it . Whaaa? Can't visualize that at all, it has no real size. But, it gets better.
Starting in 1954 they began redefining everything, eventually leading to something called the SI units. This "International System of Units" is basically metric and is the international standard. For grins you should check out the Wiki on it, at least the charts and tables (you won't find the pound, yard or any of that there, btw).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units#:~:text=The%...(cd%2C%20luminous%20intensity) That doesn't mean that pounds and ounces ceased to exist, however, but, they did get messed with. They didn't really tell everybody about it, or make it some kind of big deal, but since 1959, by treaty (International Yard and Pound Agreement), the pound has not been a unit of weight (force). Instead, it has been a unit of mass equal to 0.45359237 kilograms. Huh? This was passed into law in the UK in 1963. No law was required in the US since, though often violated, abrogated, or ignored, treaties are automatically the law of the land in the US. So why does a pound of butter still weigh a pound, you may ask? Well, concomitant with the above they invented something called the pound-force Remember that weird-assed definition of the slug? Uh, huh, just the opposite. A pound-force (lbf) is a force equal to the weight of a one pound mass under standard gravity. Of course, that's no big deal because who cares about the pound, right? In fact, the US Metric Conversion Act of 1975 declared the metric system to be the "preferred system of weights and measures" within the US, but did not mandate it, so good old Imperial/Conventional US measurements are still the norm, or are they? For some time now, new US cars contain a lot of metric sized nuts and bolts, bicycles too, and engines are in liters. However, the US is still exceptional using mostly non-metric values for commercial transactions and products.
Our non-metric eccentricity exceptionalism is not without its risks and costs. In 1999, NASA's Mars Climate Orbiter did a faceplant on Mars instead of orbiting it. NASA, science oriented from the word go worked in SI (metric) units, as did JPL, a long-time major subcontractor which was in charge of navigating the thing. Lockheed-Martin, a long-time defense contractor who built the thing, worked principally in dollars US units and therefore provided the thrust data in "good ol merkin units". Needless to say, it did not go where it should have.
This is allegedly the anniversary of a possible date upon which a guy who allegedly never really died died. Given the lack of any known actual fixed date for the death of the non-dead I'm just gonna leave it at that.
On this day in history:
451 – Attila the Hun captured Metz in what is now France
529 – The first Corpus Juris Civilis, a fundamental work in jurisprudence, was issued by Justinian I
1348 – Holy Roman Emperor Charles IV chartered Prague University
1724 – The premiere performance of Bach's St John Passion
1795 – The French First Republic adopted the kilogram and gram as its primary units of mass
1798 – The Mississippi Territory was organized from disputed territory claimed by both the United States and the Spanish Empire neither of which had any remotely legitimate claim to it
1805 – German composer Ludwig van Beethoven premiered his Third Symphony
1824 – The Mechanics' Institution was established in Manchester, England
1906 – Mount Vesuvius erupted and devastated Naples.
1906 – The Algeciras Conference gave France and Spain control over Morocco.
1927 – AT&T engineer Herbert Ives transmitted the first long-distance public television broadcast (from Washington, D.C., to New York City
1933 – Prohibition in the United States was repealed for beer of no more than 3.2% alcohol by weight
1943 – In Terebovlia, Germans ordered 1,100 Jews to undress and march through the city to the nearby village of Plebanivka, where they were shot and buried in ditches.
1945 – The Imperial Japanese Navy battleship Yamato was sunk by United States Navy aircraft
1946 – The Soviet Union annexed East Prussia as the Kaliningrad Oblast
1948 – The World Health Organization was established by the United Nations.
1954 – United States President Dwight D. Eisenhower gave his "domino theory" speech
1956 – Francoist Spain agreed to surrender its protectorate in Morocco
1964 – IBM announced the System/360.
1969 – The Internet's symbolic birth date: Publication of RFC 1.
1978 – Development of the neutron bomb was canceled by President Jimmy Carter
1983 – During STS-6, astronauts Story Musgrave and Don Peterson performed the first Space Shuttle spacewalk.
1988 – Soviet Defense Minister Dmitry Yazov ordered the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan
1990 – John Poindexter was convicted for his role in the Iran–Contra affair. In 1991 the convictions were reversed on appeal.
1994 – Massacres of Tutsis begin in Kigali, Rwanda. The US did not intervene because no minerals or strategic value
2003 - US troops captured Baghdad
2009 – President Alberto Fujimori was sentenced to 25 years in prison for ordering killings and kidnappings
2009 – Mass protests begin across Moldova due to belief that election results were fraudulent.
2017 – U.S. President Donald Trump ordered the 2017 Shayrat missile strike against Syria
2022 – Ketanji Brown Jackson was confirmed for the Supreme Court of the United States
Some people who were born on this day:
Social progress and changes of historical period take place in proportion to the advance of women toward liberty, and social decline occurs as a result of the diminution of the liberty of women.
~~ Charles Fourier
1770 – William Wordsworth, poet
1772 – Charles Fourier, philosopher
1803 – Flora Tristan, author and activist
1811 – Hasan Tahsini, astronomer, mathematician, and philosopher
1817 – Francesco Selmi, chemist and patriot
1870 – Gustav Landauer, theorist and activist
1889 – Gabriela Mistral, poet and educator
1890 – Marjory Stoneman Douglas, journalist and activist
1897 – Walter Winchell, journalist and radio host
1908 – Percy Faith, composer, conductor, and bandleader
1915 – Billie Holiday, singer, songwriter, and actress
1920 – Ravi Shankar, sitar player and composer
1922 – Mongo Santamaría, drummer
1927 – Babatunde Olatunji, drummer, educator, and activist
1929 – Joe Gallo, businessman, see below
1931 – Donald Barthelme, short story writer and novelist
1931 – Daniel Ellsberg, activist and author
1932 – Cal Smith, singer and guitarist
1935 – Bobby Bare, singer, songwriter, and guitarist
1937 – Charlie Thomas, singer
1938 – Spencer Dryden, drummer
1938 – Freddie Hubbard, trumpet player and composer (d. 2008)
1943 – Mick Abrahams, singer, songwriter, and guitarist
1945 – Megas, singer, songwriter
1947 – Patricia Bennett, singer
1947 – Florian Schneider, singer and drummer (d. 2020)
1947 – Michèle Torr, singer and author
1948 – John Oates, singer, songwriter guitarist, and producer
1951 – Bruce Gary, drummer (d. 2006)
1951 – Janis Ian, singer, songwriter and guitarist
1958 – Brian Haner, singer, songwriter, and guitarist
1975 – Karin Dreijer Andersson, singer, songwriter, and producer
1975 – John Cooper, singer, songwriter, and bass player
1981 – Vanessa Olivarez, singer, songwriter, and actress
1982 – Kelli Young, singer
1983 – Hamish Davidson, musician
1986 – Andi Fraggs, singer, songwriter, and producer
1991 – Anne-Marie, singer and songwriter
Some people who died on this day:
There's a sucker born every minute
~~ P.T. Barnum
This has been attributed to him throughout most of his life and ever since, but there is no proof he ever said it. It does, however, capture the spirit of the man, the US political circus and the US economic model.
1614 – El Greco, painter and sculptor
1761 – Thomas Bayes, minister and mathematician
1767 – Franz Sparry, composer and director
1789 – Petrus Camper, physician, anatomist, and physiologist
1804 – Toussaint Louverture, general and revolutionary
1836 – William Godwin, journalist and author
1885 – Karl Theodor Ernst von Siebold, physiologist and zoologist
1891 – P. T. Barnum, archetypal US politician, role model for all who followed
1918 – George E. Ohr, potter
1928 – Alexander Bogdanov, physician, philosopher, and author
1938 – Suzanne Valadon, painter
1968 – Edwin Baker, co-founder of the Canadian National Institute for the Blind (CNIB)
1972 – Joe Gallo, businessman, see above
1981 – Kit Lambert, record producer and manager
1994 – Lee Brilleaux, singer, songwriter, and guitarist
2009 – Dave Arneson, game designer, co-created Dungeons & Dragons
2012 – Mike Wallace, television news journalist
2013 – Les Blank, director and producer
2013 – Andy Johns, record producer
2020 – John Prine, country folk singer, songwriter
Some Holidays, Holy Days, Festivals, Feast Days, Days of Recognition, and such:
International Beaver Day
Metric System Day
World Health Day
National Beer Day (US)
National Fun Day (US)
Empowered Women Entrepreneurs Day
Genocide Memorial Day (Rwanda)
Today's Tunes
Percy Faith
Billie Holliday
Ravi Shankar
Mongo Santamaria
Babatunde Olatunji
Joe Gallo
Cal Smith
Bobby Bare
Charlie Thomas
Spencer Dryden
Freddie Hubbard
Mick Abrahams
Florian Schneider
Michele Torr
John Oates
Bruce Gary
Janis Ian
Lee Brilleaux
Les Blank
John Prine
Commentary by Kacey Musgrave
Special Added Attraction, a Legendary documentary by Les Blank and Chris Strachwitz: Chulas Fronteras:
Ok, it's an open thread, so it's up to you folks now. What's on your mind?
Cross posted from http://caucus99percent.com
Lee Brilleaux
open thread, metric system, Billie Holiday, Mongo Santamaria, Babatunde Olatunji, Spencer Dryden, Freddie Hubbbard, Lee Brilleaux, Janis Ian, Les Blank, John Prine,

Comments
Weighing in on measurements
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The conversions are getting almost indecipherable.
Yeah, have two sets of mechanic tools: SAE and metric.
Works in most cases. Unless it is in special British units
(Imperial?). Deal with very few Brit products (except for
occasional Perkins engines). What a mess.
Where it gets complicated is trying to convert a decimal
value to an inch (.35") into something usable. Reading an
installation manual required setting an aperture opening on
an air vent for a oven burner yesterday. Fortunately, I have a
calculator to help. Turns out it is about 3/8". Too many conversions
make a simple procedure unnecessarily convoluted. $.02 worth.
Thanks for the snapshot of today in history and related music!
PS- a foot is about the size of your feet. A yard is is about a stride.
And a mile is a long way (about 1700 paces).
Thought is the wind, knowledge the sail, and mankind the vessel.
-- August Hare
Good morning, el!
FWIW, I am inching up to using the metric system.
It is chilly this week, so good thing I didn't get around to putting away my winter clothing.
Not much in the news about the global trade initiated by China that trades in yuan via block chain. 38% of global trade getting off SWIFT is nothing to write home about, I suppose.
Is the petrodollar the next system on the chopping block?
BTW, Theme from A Summer Place is the song of such a different time, different life. I admit to having it bookmarked for years.
Thanks for the OT, dear friend!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I was trained to use the metric system...
..in college. Like any system that you get used to, it is easy...in fact easier than the fractional imperial units we grew up with. However, having grown up building things using those units, I find it easy too. So it is all what you're used to.
Thanks for all the music and the OT! This concert came across my feed the other day which you might enjoy
Dawg at 80!
Sam Grisman Project
March 25, 2025
Moore Theatre
Seattle, WA
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
A Ralph Nader article about Harvard Law
School. https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/harvard-law-school-trump
If you read more of the post it said nobody show up for it, that's why Ralph pick April ! because he knew that would happen.
If learned experience is an indicator of thought progress
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then why ain't the chilluns learning?
Rhetorical question. Brings up important
issues. The failure of the present educational
system seems to be breeding dumb-down thinking.
Teaching to tests supports memorization, not critical
problem solving IMO.
Nothing against Nader, but the writing is on the
chalkboard. Effective for young minds. Adults, not so much.
Thanks la58!
Thought is the wind, knowledge the sail, and mankind the vessel.
-- August Hare
I also converted
to the metric system during my academic career, as much as was possible: all my design work has always been done in metric. But I'm just as happy with imperial units from playing with American cars, and I even still have a set of Whitworth wrenches for the odd British car that I used to like to play with.
This turned out to have commercial uses: when I was attempting to recover from the abrupt end of my consulting practice, I worked for Home Depot for about 6 months, selling hardware. And I was very popular at that, because I can almost always recognize metric fasteners on sight- somebody would bring in a 6mm screw, and they'd be desperately digging through the #8 and #10 Imperial fasteners looking for a match that would never happen, and I could save them the time.
I was always amused with the Ford Motor Company, for example, which went all metric for their chassis fasteners in the 80s, but stayed imperial for any already existing powertrains (like the venerable 5.0 liter V8). So you'd need your metric wrenches for most of the suspension work, but once it was time to touch the mill, your good old 7/16" came right back into play.
The real trick comes in being able to tell a 7/16" hex head from a 10mm hex head. I always just bring both sockets, when it is time to wrench...
Do you know why British cars leak oil? Because, if you fixed all the leaks, they would explode. And don't even get me started on Lucas electrics (the Prince of Darkness).
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
On another topic,
the Hands Off protests did pull a lot of people out into the streets, nationwide, and even internationally. There is definitely a groundswell of pushback happening, and that represents a nontrivial amount of political clout waiting to be harnessed and deployed.
I find it unbelieveably sad that it will inevitably be harnessed by the feckless dems again- and then, promptly dissipated after Kamala loses the next election again, Obama-style.
If only there were a serious opposition party, with a serious leader with some actual gravitas, to knock the dems off of their utterly unearned pedestal. The Greens couldn't even muster adding themselves as cosponsors (and they were probably discouraged from being involved at all).
Apparently, the Hands Off protests will continue. Perhaps there might be a chance to redirect some of that pent-up energy into a channel that might actually benefit the 99%, because the dems sure as hell ain't it... I have no idea what that would look like, but somebody's got to be thinking about it. The dems should not be allowed to have all this free support to squander, IMNSHO.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.