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I'm all for Jill and the Greens and will work as hard for them as I have Bernie after the convention. I'm waiting 'cause I'm a fool that still has hope.

But I wish he would re-consider...at some point...which is a hard point to determine. Polling would be helpful. A credible four-way poll with Trump(R), Clinton(D), Sanders(G), and Johnson(L) would be instructive as hell.

Media pollsters are part of the machine, so they likely haven't contracted to do such a poll, since "Bernie will not be the D Nominee. Or if they have done it, as the sole-owner of the data, the poll results might be spiked.

Hillary has obviously commissioned such a poll. Trump, not so much. Bernie, not likely, because he's said he wouldn't run third party, and that's likely true. But everybody knows this is a race unlike every other in my lifetime, and I'm 60. This is obviously a "change" election, and frankly it's a four-way race, with Gary Johnson getting 10%, Stein 7%, and Hillary a bit ahead of Trump for now.

IMO, Bernie is dead-red on not having Trump President. He doesn't much like Sec. Clinton, and I think he knows the D's (and the media) tilted the election, and I expect he's interested in both the election fraud/Hillary email situation, which is definitely on "simmer" and might turn into "rapid boil". I strongly believe Bernie is serious as he can be about the "political revolution" he's described (as are most of us here). I also find it totally believable that Bernie just doesn't quite know what to do, or how to proceed, given the emails, the election stuff, his desire to defeat Trump, etc. We don't, either, as I read this website. Fix the Dems or Go Third Party is a hard question. The Dems are the new Richard Nixon R's. The R's are now Donald Trump. Where is the left side of the equation?

If the Greens really CAN get on the ballot in 47 states, a Bernie/Stein ticket would peel MANY votes from Hillary. I tend to think it would also peel a LOT of votes from Trump/? The Libertarian hard core will stick with Johnson--but that's maybe 4% after Bernie gets in, maybe less. And in a general election, Bernie/Stein brings in millions more new voters. Let's say they win in a minority vote, where it goes to the House. And this is why we need to do polling. (Since the election is in November, I assume that the current House votes for the President, and the current Senate votes for the VP).

a) If Hillary wins, Bernie finishes second, Trump third, Johnson fourth [traditional D/R election] Hillary wins. The House knows all about Hillary, and they'd love to run against her from the moment they vote her in. Even if the D's win the House (won't happen) the current crop will vote Hillary.

b)If it's Trump, Bernie, Hillary, Johnson--or Trump Hillary, Bernie, Johnson, it's automatically a Trump Presidency. Don't see a way around it.

c) If it's Bernie, Hillary, Trump, Johnson, --Hillary wins, I think, but maybe not. Might depend on the state count. Might depend on how many R's and Independents cross-over to vote Bernie. The tea-party thing seems to have died out once the funding stopped and the Tea Party brought Donald to the dance. I believe the R's in the House would vote Hillary, for reasons described above.

d) If it's Bernie, Trump, Hillary and Johnson, then I think the House will hold for Trump. But maybe not. See comment above. Might depend on the state count.

You may say that the House is over-turning the will of the voters! And I would say, they do that all the time. So that's why I want to see some proper polling of a four way race, based on the 47 states the Greens might get into, right now. I don't think Bernie is going to pay for it, but I'm sure he and his campaign strategists would like to see those results.

The reason I want Bernie to run "Third Party"--even as I describe above why it is totally unlikely to work is simple. You want ammo for a political revolution? Bernie in the election; possibly winning it, denied a Presidency by a partisan House, would indeed be ammo. These things take time.

Easier to remember, spell, and shorter.

Besides, don't forget your roots, assuming you're an ent-ish sort.

David Koch was their VP candidate in 1980. I suspect they decided that forming a viable third party was too difficult and did a hostile takeover of the Republican party instead.

They're not building the party in the most effective way, IMO, which is bottom-tier offices on up. Not top down.

Go after school boards, town councils, state reps, etc. etc. first. Build a reputation for strong, local representation, based on Green Left principles. All across the nation, in every nook and cranny. When they see the right openings, take that national as well. But the key is to build local foundations and link them together.

I'm also in favor of many leftist groups, organizations and independents adding to this mix. Socialist, libertarian socialist, communist, every kind of leftist view. I'm not pinning all my hopes on the Greens or any single party, but I do hope a strong leftist coalition can soon go toe to toe with the two major right-wing parties and defeat them.

might either fix some of the Green Party's problems -- or maybe we'll just start a new party. A party which helped fund the candidates would be a start -- the Green Party is not that.