Those in the remaining states, no matter what, vote tomorrow and spit in their eye.

either party. I looked into them both very closely when I was young and just couldn't do it. So, have always been an Independent who votes Democrat because who could vote for a Republican? I had said some months ago that if Bernie joined the Democratic Party and became the nominee I would give serious consideration to joining at last. Guess I don't have to think it about anymore, ever, now. Perhaps this could be the long awaited impetus for a totally new party that could sweep up all of us who have felt left out, left behind, ignored, disdained, and ill served by both parties. At least I can see that we would all pretty much be on the same page as to where that party should stand. Might be easier to have lasting impact and not take any longer, if as long, than trying to wrest the Democratic Party away from the Blue Oligarchs. Hell, even sounds like a lot of Fun!

We can skate with the cup on Thursday night! Ignoring the b.s. coming out of the media which has had its preferred nominee from the beginning.

for many years, due to people like the Clintons being in office. In Texas I had to declare myself a democrat in order to vote for Bernie in the primary, despite the fact that I knew he had little to no chance of winning here. First presidential primary I've ever voted in. But just due to the treatment of progressives I'm torn about whether to sit out the election or not. I'm tired after all these years of the "our candidate is not as bad as theirs / maybe we'll accommodate you next time" bullshit. I'm not happy with Obama in a lot of cases, TPP being a main one and his not having a spine a lot of the time, and already know from experience that Clinton will be far worse. You want my vote? Give me a damn good reason for doing so.

I am trying to decide what to do when. As a life long Democrat (and we are talking 54 years of voting ever since I was of an age) and 10 of being an active party member at the local level it will be difficult...but I now know that honesty intelligence and compassion can exist in the political realm and I just can't support anything less... anymore. I used to think that the lesser of evils was our only choice. no more.

They're terrified of California... so depress the vote by any means necessary. I will never vote for another establishment "Democrat". The party is dead to me. To be honest, it died in the middle of Obama's first term, although mortally wounded during the first Clinton tenure. Now it's a rotting corpse.

I've been waiting for after the convention too.
Not sure if I'll go Indie, or join one of the other parties.

That famous quote from Audre Lorde is really what I wrestle with when it comes to the question of leaving the party or not. Realistically, can the institution be reformed? Or has it been so entirely corrupted at every level that it simply needs to be torn down? If you think that the Democratic Party can be saved, of course you should stay. However, if you can see the unmitigated corruption and corporate influence at every level (among many other things), it makes sense to leave. Nothing other than a wholesale changing of the guard will fix the inherent problems of the institution, and the Democratic Party itself will always resist attempts to change it from within.

At this point, I'm fully content with becoming an independent again. In fact, I generally want the Democrats to lose elections until they get the message. They need us. Sure, I'll back individual candidates I support, but I will not remain as part of the corrupt institution, as party membership gives them leverage over me and the ability to blackmail me into supporting candidates that have not earned my vote. Right now, the left is completely taken for granted by the Democratic Party, and after this primary, you can bet your ass that the establishment is going to erect additional barriers to make it even more difficult for insurgent candidates to unseat incumbents.

If you really want to take over the party, you need to mobilize candidates on the state and local levels to primary every single neoliberal Democrat that deviates from liberal positions. That's what conservatives did in the 1970s. They started from the ground up and they weren't afraid to lose. Sometimes, they purposely destroyed Republican candidates just to send the establishment a message: that they needed to be feared because they were willing to cut off their noses to spite their faces. It took them roughly 15 years to achieve that takeover in a party that wasn't fighting against them at every turn. They were unified, disciplined, and regularly showed up for election after election. Given what's happened in this primary, I'm not certain it can be done, and even if it could be, it will take much longer than it took conservatives to stage their coup of the Republican Party. They had money, resources, and power on their side. We have the people, but at this point, I'm not certain how much that can affect real change in our post-Citizens United political system.

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Decision to make... Do I remain a registered democrat or not.

I have weighed the pros and cons and the only benefit I see to remaining a democrat is to vote In Primaries BUT this primary has shown Me that, in MY restate (NY) it doesn't matter who I vote for in The primaries... The NY machine pick ALWAYS wins.

So do I need to stay a registered democrat?

and that is a question at least 1/2 the party is probably asking itself today.

I'm not sure much will matter after this election. Climate Change is advancing, and from what I'm seeing, there is much astroturfing as our nation's assets are being siphoned off into a few hands. The Clintons clearly knew about Climate Change decades ago, if Exxon Mobile did: certainly through their long years: and they are the architects of both media silence and massive wealth extraction.

With Trump spewing Nazi hate and Clinton's tender relationship with Henry "genocide is necessary" Kissinger, as well as the abject derision of the Clintons toward voters: not even worried about obeying laws; big or small; and dismissing whole swaths of the population, it certainly seems like something MUCH more sinister is afoot.

right after convention i think...