This is so exciting!
Good people are drifting in -- let's bring the memberlist to 10,000 soon!
At some point we'll want our own alternate "Netroots Nation" -- I haven't been to one before, since at some point before each of the NN events I decided that I really didn't want to see any of Markos' neoliberal hires. How about a "NN" of our own dedicated to the political revolution rather than to the preservation of the Democratic Party?
What we really need here are people like FishOutofWater (isn't he a Clinton supporter? That's why I said "like") to do the climate change science updates. I'm going to have a climate change paper published in a journal called "Knowledge Cultures" soon.
Do we know people in the opt-out movement?
Maybe we could get people from Orchestrated Pulse to come here? Or Breaking Brown?
Or how about Bobbosphere? I tried to get Bobbosphere's diaries rec'd up when I was over at Orange.
Do you think we could get reportage on legal pot around here? Or Fight for 15?
Can we get updated commentary on who's running for office, and of which party they're running in? I mean, if they hate the idea at New York Magazine, there must be something to it.
I gather nobody here is going back to Orange with its toxic ownership just because they can find Article X or whatever. And Orange will adjust accordingly. Omigod teacherken told us about a MUST-READ opinion piece by Charles M. Blow in the WaPo!
Some thoughts.
Comments
OMG teacherken has found another gem???
I am an American, and seem to spend some time recruiting Canadian FB acquaintances who seem of like mind and have skills. I have invited some at least to check this site out, because we are such nice people!
I have some contact with some regional protest groups, some about stopping new gas lines and storage, and will invite them in as well. Again, different skills. I may be a better promulgator than a true activist. We all do what we can, plus a bit more.
Solidarity!
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Look on the bright side
At least when TK does that he's promoting someone besides himself. I'm surprised he hasn't copyrighted his username.
And BTW, a lovely Sunday morning to all! It's chilly and rainy in SE Pennsylvania right now and I love it.
“If there is no justice for the people, may there be no peace for the government.”
Just my thoughts.
How about we scrub any references to TOP. Have a NN but call it ?. Like kossacks for sanders at reddit. I wish they'd change the name to something else. We shouldn't give TOP and it's weasel owner any publicity good or bad. These sites will stand on their own merits. I can see more and more of the Bernie folks gravitating here from top just because that place is not where true progressives should be. It's a surrogate of the DNC. And if they don't leave then they weren't meant for this site anyhow. I mean, I can't even stand going there anymore. It's as alien, if not more so, than redstate. Having said this, I just sent this wonderful place $50. Sorry Bernie, I'll make it up to you before California...
I thought Fish was a Bernie supporter? If your main concern is climate change how could you not be??
Thank you very much fugwb...
hopefully as we grow we can survive on donations alone, especially if we get to 10,000 members. I absolutely hate advertising and would love to keep this site as clean as it is now. Thanks again.
Thank You JtC
and everyone else involved in creating this place. I hope I'm able to contribute more to this worthy cause in the future. I joined TOP back in Sept. of 04 and after all of those years I never felt comfortable there. If you wrote a comment you felt like you had to get it proof read by a PHD in English before posting or the grammar police would be up your ass. If someone mentioned Native American, Black, Asian or any other race or ethnicity, invariably some asshole would try to twist it and call the poster racist. I guess as we grow here we'll run into all kinds of quirky people but I hope the irritating assholes that just want to stir shit stay away.
I've been here for just a few weeks and it feels as good as my old beat up hat. It's a keeper:)
The inability to edit replies at TOP a big barrier for those of
us who have intermittent problems with our eyesite.
Not to mention...
...intermittent problems with our tempers.
Not to mention dim spill chickens
what about dim spill chickens?
what are dim spill chickens? /nt
chickens who are dumb, and clumsy? n/t
With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU
Dumb spell checkers
after the spill chicken has mangled your ineffable prose.
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Bin go!
because mares eat oats
and does eat oats...
"Don't believe everything you read online." -- Epicurus (Greek philosopher, 341–270 BCE)
Anddddd
liddle lamsey divey
"When the powerless are shut out of the media, we will make the media irrelevant" ~Anonymous~
Spelling and grammar policing
IMHO, is a form of intimidation. I never mind someone calling out an inadvertent mistake that changes the intent or a bad link. Content is important, but basic spelling and grammar should be left alone.
I love the edit feature here. I often think faster than I can type and will accidentally leave a word out or make a typo. It is amazing that far too many slip through the preview, so being able to edit is really wonderful to a fumble fingers like me.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I'd like to see more commas put to good use.
But I don't push my opinion on anyone else.
If I get bored or frustrated, I find that welcoming members who have been here since Day One is a great stress reliever.
Improve the Resilience Resource Library by adding your links.
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i think, perhaps, if i try, with devoted effort, that i may,
given the proper topic, or, a related one, be able to. sort of, accommodate your, somewhat vague, wishes.
With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU
no one saw the duality of purpose of the . in the middle?
Sure it was a swipe at the typo police BUT more so, it was to make your brain place a comma in the .'s place!
I thought it was impishly clever, but then, I AM easily amused.
With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU
I have been told that I write in too many commas
in my sentences and that I shouldn't do it, because they don't belong at the places I put them. So I started to write less commas in my sentences, but I am always scared that my sentences without the commas are completely incomprehensible, because I often can't figure out your guy's long sentences that have almost no commas in it. I think I tend to write the commas on places where a translated to German version of my comment would have commas. Consider my commas being germlish, helping me more than you.
Commas and semicolons
Are two of the most highly contested points of grammar, in usage manuals.
Stay on track. Stay in lane. Don't throw rocks.
I love semi-colons; however,
I love semi-colons; however, commas are evil.
prog - weirdo | dog - woof
I probably overuse semicolons
My rule with commas, if a sentence is collecting a number of them, is to see if there are any that can be left out without making it harder to read, or without introducing ambiguities. Basically do these clauses need to be separated in order to keep the meaning clear? Also I use them to break up long sentences sometimes, in a slightly different way.
Stay on track. Stay in lane. Don't throw rocks.
Semi-colonoscopies
Only visualize the naughty bits.
Commas are my harbingers of rewrites
I have a bad habit of using unnecessarily complex sentence structures. My first-pass edit entails removing as many extraneous grammatical features as I can. Commas are usually the culprits.
prog - weirdo | dog - woof
I do that a lot too
It's the pedant in me. Some writers really love complex sentence structure but it can put people off.
Stay on track. Stay in lane. Don't throw rocks.
I find being succinct a true challenge.
I can't seem to say anything in ten words, if fifty or more will do
Although I did manage, here.
"When the powerless are shut out of the media, we will make the media irrelevant" ~Anonymous~
Reminds me of the apocryphal "Mark Twain" quote:
"I would have written you a shorter letter but I didn't have the time."
Yes. I was thinking of Twain as
I wrote that
One of my favs. Love the anti-war Christmas (?) prayer he wrote.
"When the powerless are shut out of the media, we will make the media irrelevant" ~Anonymous~
dots and dashes
you know... or perhaps - another thought!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
I have been told I use
dashes--- instead of commas (like in the middle of a sentence)--just too darn much.
"Don't believe everything you read online." -- Epicurus (Greek philosopher, 341–270 BCE)
what i hate is when people repeat the text of their
subject line in the text of their comment
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
That gives me a slight burn
and I wonder whether I have memory issues when I see entire or fragmental text lines cut-and-pasted. But I don't.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Subject lines
I don't bother with them for short comments, because if I were accurately writing a summary, the subject would often be "progdog's drivel". When subject line is immediately repeated in the comment, it is a result of the subject being left blank.
Long story short: I'm too lazy to write one subject line, let alone intentionally repeat myself with it.
prog - weirdo | dog - woof
well, now i know!
I don't worry about subject/text. I just start typing in the Subject box and if it gets too long, I tab to the "main" text box.
One minor annoyance with c99p: The HTML is set up so that when you tab from the Subject box, you don't jump to the text box, you jump to the "insert image" icon immediately below the word "Comment".
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
I think that's just a failure to understand
That using subject lines as such isn't mandatory, they are more of an option when you want to emphasize something a bit, draw attention in some way, or draw someone's attention. It's just how the software is designed in places that publish comment lists with only the subject lines, as a form of abbreviation.
Stay on track. Stay in lane. Don't throw rocks.
oooooh! Does this work? I had
oooooh! Does this work? I had not realized that.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Subject line left blank
= repeat below. Now I know. It's only computer stuff, you can't break it, unless it's by puppy teeth in wire jungle under my desk. She took out my speakers yesterday, I'm feeling disabled with no audio.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
You appear to be talking
You appear to be talking about what happens when people leave the subject line blank. I didn't know the software allowed that here. I am not used to blog comment software that includes subject lines, and also does anything other than say "Nope" when you leave them blank.
This is only a test. If this was a real comment failure, you would be asked to report to your nearest panic station.
Stay on track. Stay in lane. Don't throw rocks.
well that answers that
Stay on track. Stay in lane. Don't throw rocks.
Yes, exactly
If the intent is clear, it's best to leave the person alone, even if the error makes you cringe. I would argue that this goes for usage as well. There are times I want to say "that word does not mean what you think it does" but refrain if the intent was clear. Nobody asked me to be their writing instructor.
Also it's easier than one might think to misread a person's intent. Sometimes what appears to be inadvertant incorrect usage is actually a stylistic quirk.
As far as bad links go, if you have enough time to post a comment saying "your link is broken," perhaps you have enough time to do a quick search and find and post the correct link.
Stay on track. Stay in lane. Don't throw rocks.
If you do need advertising one day, look into The Deck.
It's advertising done right. A couple of my favorite Apple-focused tech blogs use it. They place a single unobtrusive ad in a sidebar.
http://daringfireball.net
http://www.loopinsight.com
http://decknetwork.net
Thanks Ken...
duly noted. Hopefully we wont have to advertise, but if we do the less obtrusive the better.
Everybody chips in $3 a mo.
Everybody chips in $3 a mo. (or $10 every six if they can't afford the $3) would cover costs.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
As a heavy user
I just did the deed via CC, as a forgetful sort I made it an auto-pay. Your records should show a transaction near the first of the month each month if the system is working properly, please let me know if you do not see my name. Don't sweat the small stuff, and keep us (users and lurkers alike) apprised of the situation, we have your six.
---Robert I. Price---
Keep up the good work (and the good fight), and have fun while you are at it.
Just checked...
you're good to go, thanks RIP.
What would help me
Is some sort of information about where you're sitting financially... Is there a monthly goal? I'm on a fixed income and dropping every penny I can to Bernie and Berniecrats. I know hosting plans can range from $9/mo to $140/mo and I'm guessing you're probably on a high-end shared plan right now but you'll need to scale into a cloud plan. And for all I know, there may be other costs.
Anyway, I'm willing to help but it'd be nice to get a feel for the size of the problem. I don't need a financial report but one of those thermometer thingamabobs would be pretty cool
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
I am not trying to be controversial here
but why do we need details? I chip in a small amount each month and knowing more wouldn't change that. Now if things weren't quite so tight on my end it would be a bit more - but that is my problem.
There are various levels at play here. JtC's first aim I would guess would be to cover costs. Level two should be to make something for his time and level three should be to provide a full time income. I don't think anyone would begrudge that. My point is that I doubt very much whether he is making a reasonable living yet so there is absolutely no reason for anyone not to contribute a little if they can afford it.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
I think you summarized it perfectly. eom
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
That goal is...
whatever folks can afford. No one should feel pressure to donate if funds are tight.
We are already on a mid-level VPS (dedicated cloud plan) and already seeing signs of stressing this server at times. We left shared servers long ago, they couldn't handle the traffic. A couple of thousand more members and we may be looking beyond VPS, and with 10,000 members we'll be looking beyond dedicated server plans that webhosts have to offer, in other words mega bucks per month.
I hire a dev team to do much of the work which is pretty expensive. For example the replies notification program we just implemented cost 480.00 dollars just for that little feature. Reputable developers don't come cheap. We have lots of other work that needs to be done, improvements and updates/upgrades etc.
This site started out as a part time hobby and has grown into a full time job in the last couple of months. I am not retired and run a business besides taking care of this place and my business has suffered because of it. I have monthly bills to pay just like everyone else. I would love to make this site my full time job but we are not even close to generating enough funds to cover that and surely you wouldn't suggest that someone ride this tiger full time 7 days a week for nothing, right. If donations can't cover the costs of running this site then we're looking at advertisement, and no one would like to see that including myself. As I said I hate advertising.
Just to give you some insight. I built this site about a year and a half ago, for nothing. That alone would have easily cost $4,000.00 to $5,000.00. I administered and maintained the site for well over a year with no payment at all. What do we do if we reach 10,000 members, where will the money come from to cover that? I'm hoping that donations will still cover it.
The bottom line is: If you like this place and can afford it, donate some money to keep it online. If you can't afford it, that's cool, there's no pressure on anyone to do so.
solution and a fair one:
If you want to have the right to comment and post diaries here, you should pay something for that right. There is nothing wrong to pay for a newspaper in print, I don't see what is wrong with paying something for having the privilege to write something to or on an online site like this one.
I don't like ads and I don't like "philantrophic rich folks" donating lots of money, if we don't know, who they are. Absolute transparency for donations from a certain amount on up should be a given. You don't want to become dependent on rich, nice people, who we don't know about. So, people who donate above a certain amount and that may be regularly, should be listed for us to know about them.
Thanks for that feedback JtC
It makes an organization more fragile to run it entirely on unpaid labor. The person doing most of the work can easily become burnt out. You deserve some payment for your time as well as expenses.
Stay on track. Stay in lane. Don't throw rocks.
You deserve thanks and more
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
The site has come a long way in the last two months, and you've handled things amazingly. Donations to keep the place online are important, but so are you. I know the work is rewarding in itself, but you deserve actual rewards as well.
prog - weirdo | dog - woof
Fair Enough
You've given me some idea where you're at and details are unnecessary.
I'll try to get donations going on some sort of regular basis within limits that, as you say, I can afford.
Both my wife and I are job seeking right now so money is tight and Bernie's been soaking up probably more than was strictly wise. Hopefully that'll change soon and I can do more to directly support this site along with other efforts like BrandNewCongress.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
hmm, I disagree with this somewhat ...
Of course that makes sense on first glance, but then I think people should feel some pressure to pay something on a recurring basis, if they want to comment here on a recurring basis. It's just a matter of how much one can afford and is willing to pay for "commenting rights" so to speak. Imo, commenting rights are a privilege to have, because we all know that comments are what people turn to love a place or to hate it. To pay a little for the right to eventually go on people's nerves with comments you can't stand and don't like is imo a good thing. It may also make it easier to keep "the not so benign commentators tamed a bit".
So far you have 1600 plus members. It will take a while til you reach the 10000 member level, right? So, it would be nice, if we knew how much money is needed per month for a membership level of say 2000 people. If we knew, then we could see for ourselves what should be donated to keep the site running and improving. I think it is not helpful to act coply (I hope these are acceptable words to use for what I want to say - my dictionary gave those to me) with stating clearly what amount of money is needed.
I know you don't like me saying it. I will shut up about it now. I think I said it on three different threads. If it really is so much money that 2000 members can't afford to donate a monthly amount to cover the costs, then one needs to think about something else, not before that.
Compare it to this: If you buy a house, you would like to know what the recurring fixed costs of the house will be to maintain your livelihood in there, before you decide to buy it, right?
Do you need $ 4000.00 per month? That would be $ 2.00 per month per registered user. Do you need $8000.00 per month? That would be $ 4.00 per month for for 2000 registered users.
You need to hire people to code some upgrades you think are necessary? Let people know how much it costs and go from there. Just let the users know. (And btw. not all users think that all upgrades some people want to see are essential. At TOP the so-called upgrades had somewhat opposite effects)
If people can't afford a monthly recurring fee for the privilege to comment here, then they still can read and click here. I don't see any problem in that. If nobody would register because he had to pay a little bit on a monthly basis, then you can may be think of ads. But I wouldn't give in to that as the only solution to the problem.
.
the darn thing about donating is, that I always
forget to whom I have donated when. I am a compulsive, forgetful, unorganized donator.
It would be so much easier to just having to pay some little thing to be registered on this site. You know for people like me who don't know what they are doing (here) and forget what they have done (here and there).
Donations can be troublesome
Explicit barriers to entry can be just as troublesome though.
Some websites let you join and post for free but charge you a one time fee if you want to use features like search or the archives, which long time users will almost certainly want. What about something like that?
I like your idea, but I think we should try and make it as easy to join here as possible.
prog - weirdo | dog - woof
Kossacks for Sanders purges all Jill Stein supporters
They are still Kossacks at heart, in that they care about Democratic Party loyalty above all else. Let's not follow their lead. Kossacks deserve to be exposed, just like the rest of the "Mainstream Media!"
Jeez
I thought they were a little better than that.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
I was purged simply for defending talking about it.
Here is the thread that got me in trouble.
I remember many of the mods there as being ugog enforcers, against lefty dems, so I was shocked when they formed a Sanders group. I now think they are controlled opposition, where by they give Sanders supporters something to do, while maintaining the old Kossack rule of not allowing any non-dem talk. Also, lets face the fact that the title of their group limits their scope after the election is over.
Yep, they've been targeted
By the Unprincipled Trolls For Hillary super pac
Beware the bullshit factories.
Mahakali Overdrive, who put up the site, is not in that vein
at all. She's been a non-D, is fiercely pro-Sanders and not a party loyalist at all. She's one of the mods there. I see many posts about potential action items, for the election and beyond, if Sanders isn't the nominee. It IS an activist site, focused on electing him, but not in tone or content like the main Sanders for President reddit subthread. I like what I find there; it's a good complement to the format and content here. Don't miss TOS at all except for the nature diaries and diarists.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
I didn't name, names, but that's the mod that banned me.
You say she is tolerant of Stein supporters but unfortunately her posted comments in that thread do not support that.
I was thinking that MO has not been
posting much at TOP, at least in the 2 or 3 diaries I have ventured into this past week.
She is too busy banning...uh..moderating!
I do remember some dust up between her and geebeebee.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
she has been posting there for years, and I did't see
anything wrong with that. I never considered her a "left-leaning" democrat and actually couldn't figure her out, which I related to my lack of cultural and socio-political knowledge of this country.
She has said from the start that pro-Trump content is a no-go
and has been eloquent about why. I can see that her reasoning might extend to a no-Green talk at this stage, while the primaries continue. She's working her backside off for Sanders.
It will be interesting to see where that subthread goes after the convention, because we must assume Sanders isn't likely to be the nominee unless he scores massive wins in several of the delegate-rich contests coming up, especially California. Or if a suggestion for indictment of Clinton emerges from Comey for the server or her actions as SoS and arms deals and donations to the Clinton Foundation. (She is SUCH a weak and vulnerable candidate!) Seems that the DNC would rather maintain the lucrative pay-to-play system and lose the White House, with further losses on the Hill, than risk its own status quo with Bernie Sanders.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
Not my experience of her.
She banned me there for no reason, gave no warning. I logged on one day and was banned. When I said I didn't know why it happened and said that even kos gave a reason and a warning she cut me off.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire
Have to say that surprises me
eom
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
did not know that
Well screw that. I'll quit going over there...
I'm not going back either.
That makes them a mini dailykos with a different enemies list.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I don't know
I went over to kossacks for sanders and searched Jill Stein. 3 or 4 diaries came up, a couple of them discussing Bernie running as a Green. Pretty decent discussion, lots of comments nothing very combative. Mawn-jilla, who I think started the site? had a couple of comments and is against Bernie running as a green. But in no way was her/his comments anywhere near what you'd see at top for the same thing. The authors of these diaries still have accounts and are still commenting...
I don't want to post another
I don't want to post another long quote from that thread, but I will tell you I am banned, and was threatened with being reported to the mods, for the position I took. People can click the link themselves and read it.
Well
I'll take your word for it. Thanks!
me either
I was a mod and helped support the start of that sub
The night I got bojo'd from TOP, /r/Kossacks_For_Sanders dumped me, too.
No reasoning why - no messages, nothing. My opinion is that they have one specific mod over there that is overly ban-happy, never seemed to be happy that I was a mod, and has the ear of the person that started the subreddit. If I had to guess, the Jill Stein bannings are sourced from the same two people in tandem.
It's a weird deal, and it's gone in a weird direction. They should leave the Bernie-promotion to the main /r/SandersForPresident, and let the former TOPers have a place to keep in touch and talk about what they want. That was the original purpose, but then the person who started the sub had grand ideas of creating another big Bernie-supporting subreddit, when there already was a huge one.
Whole thing is odd. I had not spoken about this since it happened, but have been getting PMs on reddit as to why I don't participate there anymore. That's why!
Thanks again, all, for being so welcoming here. It's appreciated!
Glad to have you.
I just don't get all of these power happy people. Biggest sign of insecurity I know of.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Hunh. I found this place a better fit
and migrated right over. I had no idea that purity had become important there, but I was uncomfortable that the name was damn targeted. And also funneling. TY, won't visit again. I got a reddit account, now I can say I have one.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Agree on the name, for sure.
I have no interest in being labeled a "Kossack" ever again. I wasn't particularly happy with it when I was one!
same thing happened to me at Kossacks_For_Sanders
Logged on one day to find a message that I was banned...no reason, no warning. Asked around, all I heard was that "there was no transgression'. Just my time, I guess.
Power trippers unite! You have nothing to lose but your positions. Seen a couple of em nosing around here...makes me nervous.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire
At the very least --
we need to disassociate ourselves from the cabal at the top of the Democratic Party, even if most of the people who come to our NN will in fact be Democrats.
"there's something so especially sadistic about waving the flag of a country that you're actively destroying" -- Aaron Mate
about two years ago
when a group of us first discussed creating a site, we all agreed that we wanted our main focus to be on issues and policies from a left perspective, beyond party politics. Speaking for myself, limiting us to just one party would end up limiting our conversations and ideas.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I still agree with that decision GG.
This isn't about party. This is about people, principle, morality, and humanity. When we started this place, we wanted it to be everything dailykos isn't: Respectful, intellectual, curious, civil, and open. Nobody puts baby in a corner, gg - nobody.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Thanks Guys for the foresight
to create a better place.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
For sure....
CStS (LiberalInMD at kos) was the initiating force. She really nailed it. Johnny was the next one to stop up. Without the two of them, this place would't exist.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Thanks very much to both of them
Exactly what we needed.
Beware the bullshit factories.
I'm all for building this blog....
Putting Sean Shealy in the crapper for not being partisan enough to meet the norms of dailykos is the spotlight on the total DNC wasteland dkos has become. It is an incestuous community of like minded DNC tools and shills that enjoys punishing one another and any stray newcomers who dare to break their narrowly prescribed conventions. And worst of all, it is marketed as the "biggest liberal blog" when it should be a study in Psychology Today.
I am ready for the revolution that Bernie sold and is walking away from. I am not interested in any new organizations. I want war on blue and red. I want Bernie to pledge #BernieOrBust. I want him to join with Jill Stein and run Green if he loses the nomination for the Democratic Party. Sanders/Stein 2016 She is willing to be VP and is offering him her Third Party to run in. Bernie has name recognition and huge public support. If he folds up his tent with some new group, I am not going to be happy. We've been losing and regrouping (more and better) for 12 years. Not again. Now is the time to go for broke.
This audio interview elaborates on optiions available to Bernie and us. I found it interesting, and I am giving you the link to the web page so you can listen to it or yourself.
https://acronymtv.wordpress.com/2016/04/28/abby-martin-on-hillary-clinto...
Disclosure: I don't know what Bernie is proposing if he loses. I just knew he wasn't throwing down the gauntlet and that is what I want. I've been sick and in hospital with acute brochitis, and I haven't cared enough to explore anything else.
I want us to find a group of smart, sincere, good and honest humanist people with the best chance to burn both political parties to the ground NOW and merge with them towards accomplishing that goal.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Sorry about your illness.
Here is to a speedy recovery.
We definitely need something new to take root.
I find it ironic that the poople (made a mistake in spelling, but now like the word) who accuse the 'outsiders' of ruining their parties apparently have no recognition of the dwindling party membership caused by the 'insiders.'
dfarrah
Hope you feel better soon.
Bronchitis can be a bitch.
I'm all for building this blog and when SS comes through, I'll throw a few bucks this way.
I do think that it would be a good thing to help the Greens get on the ballot on as many states as possible so we can have a viable option there. Even if my motives are selfish [for Bernie] it wouldn't hurt the Greens. It would be a win-win proposition.
Take care of yourself.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
precisely everything you said dkmich.
This fascinating season has produced a very unique opportunity that we haven't seen in such a long time, if ever.
The first time I can recall a very real scenario in which we can deal mortal blows to the two-party stranglehold by out of touch corporate parties completely beholden to Wall St, chronic dysfunction and a Revolving Door in DC.
With Hills there is transparently business as usual, which is deeply problematic to a populatuon currently undergoing a mass insurrection against a rigged system. And Trump is a complete reality show addled, buffoon vulture capitalist businessman of the most vile proportions.
The scenario couldn't be more picture perfect, right now, for progressive Liberalism to take over and flourish as the voice of the 99% forced for generations to toil in the deeply oppressive, inhumane and unsympathetic conditions of unbridled capitalism.
Bernie must seize the moment. We must power him to do so. Now!
Get better friend, we'll need you. Had bronchial pneumonia recently myself, wasn't fun. Now my asthma is back worse than ever.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
Get well soon!
We need you ready on the front lines when Bernie pulls this rabbit out of a hat!
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