Hillary Clinton, there is not "more that unites us than divides us."

As Hillary Clinton made her New York victory speech, she said, “To all the people who supported Sen. Sanders, I believe that there’s much more that unites us than divides us.”

That's a pretty bold claim for a candidate who ties herself to Obama's legacy at the wrists and ankles and has more in common with Republicans than progressives.

Since the rise of the Clintonian “New Democrat” almost three decades ago, the party has moved so far to the right it has little in common with the base it purports to represent.

President Obama campaigned on the promise of change, but, in many ways, his presidency — particularly in the first term — was George W. Bush lite.

The Obama administration barely even slapped the banks and financial elites responsible for the Great Recession on the wrist. Not a single Wall Street executive went to jail while, today, the very banks responsible pose just as much of a systemic risk as they did in 2008.

The Obama administration killed thousands of people, including an unknown number of civilians, with its secretive drone war. It expanded the war in Afghanistan — twice — dragged its feet on Guantánamo, backed a right-wing military coup that overthrew Honduras’ democratically elected left-wing government and dropped 23,400 bombs on six Muslim-majority countries in 2015.

The Obama administration waged a McCarthyite crackdown on whistleblowers, using the World War I-era Espionage Act to clampdown on more than all previous presidential administrations combined, while drastically expanding the surveillance state.

This is the Democratic Party Americans have grown up with in the past nearly 30 years, since the rise of the Clintonism. And, in these same decades, wages have stagnated, poverty has increased and people have become more and more dissatisfied with the way things are.

Clinton has been attempting to continue the pretense that the agenda of the Democratic establishment is the agenda of the base, but there is little that the corporate establishment has in common with the 99%.

Clinton, is even more tied to Wall Street than Obama. Her campaign prattle glosses over her connections with various rhetorical devices like, "We all agree that Wall Street can never again be allowed to threaten Main Street." She says it with gusto - as if that sort of vague platitude is some sort of policy that she can be held to. Hillary showed how much she had in common with us by taking home more money from a grateful Wall Street for just 12 speeches than most of us earn in a lifetime. By the way, how much did Wall Street donate to your foundation? Oh, you don't have one? Pity.

The social agenda issues that Democratic candidates of the Clinton/DLC/New Democrat/Third Way era have made hay with loom large in Clinton's rhetoric, but then there are the troubling facts of her history in politics. There is the fact that Clinton was against equal rights for LGBT people until she started running for the presidency.

Clinton was nowhere to be found amongst the advocates of a $15/hour minimum wage until she was suddenly, almost, for it. But, of course, she'll tell you that, "We all agree that wages are too low and inequality is too high." Too bad she has no plans to do anything about it.

Clinton was for the job-killing NAFTA - until she ran for elective office. She called the TPP, "the gold standard in trade agreements and was as CNN says, one of the leading drivers of the anti-worker TPP when Secretary of State - before she suddenly was against it, just in time for her presidential campaign.

Then there's the nasty bit of history that Black Lives Matter has brought up. Hillary T. Superpredator now wants us to be aware of systemic racism after her years of flacking to implement systemic racism as a strategy of the Democratic Party.

Is this "evolution" of Clinton's views credible, or just another iteration of what she and her advisors think is politically expedient? Given the recency of these changes in her positions, one doesn't have to be a crusty cynic to come to the conclusion that Clinton will say anything to get elected.

Then, there's her record of military madness. There's really no two ways about it. Hillary Clinton is a neocon.

Obama arguably beat Hillary Clinton in 2008 by running against her record of supporting wars:

As Mr. Obama has introduced himself in the opening weeks of his candidacy, few subjects have garnered more applause than his criticism of the war. He does not refer to the conflict as Mr. Bush’s war, which antiwar candidates in the Democratic Party did in the 2004 election, but rather is seeking to expand the circle of responsibility to those who supported the invasion.

“We continue to be in a war that should never have been authorized,” Mr. Obama told an audience in Iowa last week, making a not-so-subtle reference to Mrs. Clinton and other Democratic rivals. Two days later, at a Texas rally, he said, “I am proud of the fact that way back in 2002, I said that this war was a mistake.”

As if on cue, the crowds of Democrats cheered with gusto.

In 2008 Clinton would not admit that her support of the Iraq War was a mistake. Now, years later, in the face of strong criticisms from Bernie Sanders, she has "evolved" to the point that she admits that it was a mistake. But, that's only one of many conflicts that Clinton has promoted as a legislator and as Secretary of State:

As Secretary of State her aggressiveness and poor judgement led her to the White House where, sweeping aside the strong objections of Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates, she persuaded President Obama to bomb Libya and topple its dictatorial regime.

Gates had warned about the aftermath. He was right. Libya has descended into a ghastly state of chaotic violence that has spilled into neighboring African nations, such as Mali, and that opened the way for ISIS to establish an expanding base in central Libya. Her fellow hawks in Washington are now calling for U.S. special forces to go to Libya.

Whether as Senator on the Armed Services Committee or as Secretary of State, Mrs. Clinton has never met a war or raid she didn’t like, or a redundant, wasteful weapons system she was willing to aggressively challenge. ...

So when Bernie Sanders properly chided her for having as an advisor, Henry Kissinger, Secretary of State under Richard Nixon, she bridled and tried to escape by asking Sanders to name his foreign policy advisors.

In fact, Kissinger and Clinton do have much in common about projecting the American Empire to brutal levels. Kissinger was the “butcher of Cambodia,” launching an illegal assault that destabilized that peaceful country into the Pol Pot slaughter of millions of innocents. She was the illegal “butcher of Libya,” an ongoing, unfolding tragedy whose blowbacks of “unintended consequences” are building by the week.

Clinton has even been endorsed by neocon insiders like Republican, PNAC cofounder Robert Kagan, who endorsed Clinton over Trump.

Other neocons have followed Mr. Kagan’s careful centrism and respect for Mrs. Clinton. Max Boot, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, noted in The New Republic this year that “it is clear that in administration councils she was a principled voice for a strong stand on controversial issues, whether supporting the Afghan surge or the intervention in Libya.”

And the thing is, these neocons have a point. Mrs. Clinton voted for the Iraq war; supported sending arms to Syrian rebels; likened Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin, to Adolf Hitler; wholeheartedly backs Israel; and stresses the importance of promoting democracy.

It’s easy to imagine Mrs. Clinton’s making room for the neocons in her administration. No one could charge her with being weak on national security with the likes of Robert Kagan on board.

Not only does Clinton share common goals with the neocons, she shares methods as well:

Beyond sharing this neocon “regime change” obsession, former Secretary of State Clinton also talks like a neocon. One of their trademark skills is to use propaganda or “perception management” to demonize their targets and to romanticize their allies, what is called “gluing white hats” on their side and “gluing black hats” on the other.

So, in defending her role in the Libyan “regime change,” Clinton called the slain Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi “genocidal” though that is a gross exaggeration of Gaddafi’s efforts to beat back Islamic militants in 2011. But her approach fits with what the neocons do. They realize that almost no one will dare challenge such a characterization because to do so opens you to accusations of being a “Gaddafi apologist.” ...

Clinton, like the neocons, also shows selective humanitarian outrage. For instance, she laments the suffering of Israelis under crude (almost never lethal) rocket fire from Gaza but shows next to no sympathy for Palestinians being slaughtered by sophisticated (highly lethal) Israeli missiles and bombs.

Then there's Hillary Clinton's dismal record on the environment. When she's trying to convince Sanders supporters to vote for her, she says things like, "We Democrats agree that climate change is an urgent threat, and it requires an aggressive response that can make America the clean energy superpower of the 21st century." But, alas, there's her record. Her support for fracking, actually, support is not a strong enough word - as Secretary of State, Hillary was a globetrotting salesman for fracking. She used her position as SOS to do favors for the oil and gas industry, helping break up Mexico's state oil company to open Mexico's resources and promote deepwater offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and onshore fracking in Mexico's portion of the Eagle Ford Shale basin - facts that only became public knowledge due to the contents she tried to hide on her private server being released.

Not surprisingly, Hillary's biggest campaign bundlers are fossil-fuel lobbyists. Also not surprisingly, Hillary Clinton's climate plan has virtually no details about how to keep fossil fuels in the ground.

Of course there's more, but isn't this about enough to demonstrate that Clinton is not the friend of the 99% and hasn't been throughout her political life?

While it might be charitable to consider the possibility of a Damascene conversion, common sense and a desire for preservation urges otherwise. Given Clinton's record, why she should be accorded a more favorable status than any other Republican is a mystery.

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The summary here makes it very clear that HRC is hawkish and would set us back tremendously in our struggle for world peace. This is the primary reason I cannot vote for her but there are many others (like her dishonesty).

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if, fsm help us, she gets elected, we can look forward (?!?) to more and larger wars. i think that she may be a more clever word-parser than obama, so we can also look forward to an amazing word circus.

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[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL7QxF12S8g width:800 height:600]

A Republican!

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It covers so much and serves as an excellent reminder why this woman should NOT be in a leadership position of any kind. It also is a condemnation of where we are and what we have become as a country that she should even be running for office.

thank you for posting it.

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If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass

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I was unaware of the Arkansas nurse story about Bill and Hill. And they are joined at the hip, a marriage of convenience for power. She is all about she, explains why she can't verbalize why she wants to be our CEO. She wears and discards her power positions as the day goes along. FLOTUS? co-presidency until that would term-limit her out. Senator? Post office. Nice, Senator Post office. SoS? Boss or serving as the President's emissary. Whatever lets her skate responsibility, OR claim responsibility depends on her audience.

I wish that No votes counted twice.

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When she talked in favor of coal, she mentioned carbon sequestration.

This idea has been around for years and years but I have not heard about it lately.

Then Kate Arnoff tweeted about a NYT article about Exxon & Fuel Cells & carbon sequestration

My hunch is that the future technology, which Kate said in her tweet was a way for Exxon to keep extracting oil, was what Hillary heard about to change her position.

Agree?

Exxon Mobil Backs FuelCell Effort to Advance Carbon Capture Technology

Just a little more on Hillary. There was a diary up on dailykos that Hillary was against TPP. She would not vote for it if she were president. I made a comment that said: Will Hillary tell Obama to NOT send the agreement to the legislature? With Fast Track Authority, congress has given up their rights and with widespread republican support it would slide through to fulfill one of Obama's major agenda items.

My comment did not get any attention. Wonder why...

I don't trust Hillary. I have done searches on Hillary's change of position, but it does not show up on google search.

This is the dailykos diary

Hillary: "I oppose the TPP agreement — and that means before and after the election."

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given that hillary's biggest bundlers are from the oil and gas industry, it seems unlikely that she would forget to return the favors.

i'm sure that hillary would be all over any technology that would allow her big money supporters to prosper, regardless of its merits or lack thereof.

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against it, lobby against it. She said no.

Every time she opens her mouth, I know she's lying.

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and then I wonder if she really is on my side on those. There are many more that are deal breakers even still. Thanks for this thoughtful diary Joe.

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There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams

joe shikspack's picture

it's kind of hard to know whether clinton is on your side on any issue, her positions are so fluid on so many issues.

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gulfgal98's picture

is whatever feathers her bank account. The Presidency gives her additional power to do just that. I have always said that the Clintons are about money and power, in that order.

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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and the money is just a by-product to obtain that power. She wants power and prove she uses it to the fullest and better than anybody else. I wonder where this comes from.

My guts tell me it comes from a place of painful humiliation she might have experienced in her life. Can't help feeling that her motivation and drive to become President comes from a kind of dark place. I wonder if she will falter, should she be defeated in the convention as candidate.

Just my guess. Her old speeches you posted in your video clips scare me more than her new ones.

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Thanks Hillary. I can always use another meaningless platitude. Sheesh. Actually, if she's directing that quip to multi-millionaires and billionaires, then it's accurate. Reading your essay and her chiding Bernie about his foreign policy advisors, I loved his response:

So when Bernie Sanders properly chided her for having as an advisor, Henry Kissinger, Secretary of State under Richard Nixon, she bridled and tried to escape by asking Sanders to name his foreign policy advisors.

To which Bernie shot back: "Well it sure won't be Henry Kissinger!"

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"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey

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when i first heard her say that, flags went up. but, it's the sort of platitude that kind of slips by because it seems sort of an innocuous throw-away line.

but it is so far from the truth, they don't have enough pinocchios over at that fact checking site to adequately describe it.

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That is not new. But the more exposure she gets, the more people realize it.
No, there is not more that unites us than divides us. That is a bold faced lie. She is a bold faced liar. I hope her interrogators do a drug screen and hook her up to every known lie detector technology when she 'testifies.'
I still will never believe her.

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i have no basis for commenting on the state of her mental health, but, it is quite plain that she has acted in bad faith while in office and is not fit to be president.

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

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If you are an investment banker, being a sociopath is a feature.

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Another Refugee from the Great Orange Purity Troll

Coming soon, opposition. Corporations are not our friend. I'm for Bernie!!!

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sociopathic characteristics are considered 'leadership qualities'.

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I think that there is little in common between Clinton and Sanders. As said above, Clinton is for more war and the killing and displacement of civilians, and Sanders favors disengagement and relations between nations based on mutual respect.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

Upon research and reflection, the only thing that unites "us" is our belief in reproductive rights.

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remember that's only so long as you abort in a timely manner. She's stated clearly that she'd like to see late term regulation, so be prepared to make your case in court that you are sufficiently health or life-challenged by your pregnancy to be able to make a very personal decision with your physician and family.

I've published diaries at TOP and maybe here on this topic, and Older And Wiser Now has done several really great pieces both places.

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

She's stated clearly that she'd like to see late term regulation, so be prepared to make your case in court that you are sufficiently health or life-challenged by your pregnancy to be able to make a very personal decision with your physician and family.

FFS, can she take a fricken stand on anything?

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The aborted are our children.

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A developing embryo is not a child, any more than an acorn is an oak tree, or a fertile egg is a bird, or a blueprint and a foundation constitute a building. A developing embryo is a potential child, not an actual child. Potential and actual are not the same.

Anecdote for those who think abortion is a whimsical choice by loose women. Friend of mine was pregnant with her third when, between 4 and 5 months, genetic testing and ultrasound revealed a catastrophic defect.The kidneys were not developing normally. The fetus would most likely die inside her; if it survived to term, a brief and painful period of life was guaranteed. Should she go through with that? Her husband and their two young children, should they all go through that experience?

The parents talked with their extended family. All agreed. They talked with a Catholic priest. And off the record, HE agreed. Nothing would be served, nothing, by continuing the pregnancy; all that would do, would be to increase the suffering in this world.

My friend's FATHER escorted her to Planned Parenthood.

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Euterpe2

Is unique.

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It is in the nature of things that potentialities are infinite, but only some of them will be actualized.

For example, on a half-acre of land, there might be a few ancient oaks, a vegetable garden, a single-family house or two, an apartment building, a swimming pool, parking lot, a fire station, or a junkyard. The one thing we can't have there is all of them. Even though each one would be unique.

Every day we confront almost infinite potentialities, we make choices. Nature makes choices. The majority of the time, the answer is, "No."

Are you aware of how many pregnancies end in natural abortion, i.e., miscarriage, most of them very early, but some later? As if nature studied the blueprints, checked the figures, and said, "No, this particular plan for a human being is not going to work after all."

There is nothing sacred about a flawed plan. Nor any thing in ethics that posits everything initiated, even in error, must be brought to fulfillment, regardless, because it would have been unique.

Let's be glad and care for the children we have, each one unique, but not confuse them with children who "exist" only in potentiality.

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that force pregnant women to stay there until they deliver.

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Incapable of living outside their mothers womb.

My daughter is 13 weeks pregnant, and that baby feels like a baby to me. We can't wait for it to be born, and the whole family is thrilled to pieces at the prospect!! At the same time, if my daughter were to decide tomorrow that she simply could not go though with the pregnancy for any reason.... I would support her 1000000%.

It's not our choice. It's the mother's choice.

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I'm sorry that you're apparently one of those poor misguided souls who thinks it's perfectly fine to "disagree" with actual science, that's too bad for you.

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MonetaryLeviathon's picture

you adopted?

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Deja's picture

In real life, saw a bumper sticker, and asked the apparent father of a litter of kids (4 in back seat - illegally because of seat belts) and a newborn up front while baby factory was inside the store.
No

None, of course, were adopted. He looked young, and this was 20 or so years ago. God only knows how many kids they have now.

It's really sad too, because there are kids who age out of the foster care system. And then there are the hypocrites who are anti choice until they play around with fertility treatments, end up with 6-8 embryos, and pick and choose which ones to keep because some inevitably have issues.

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Almost no woman is going to have a later term abortion unless the fetus is seriously mucked up, or the mother is going to be seriously mucked up by continuing the pregnancy and/or giving birth. So regulating later term abortion is just a crock of crap and another way to control women through controlling their bodies.

HRC could care less about sending Honduran children back home to be killed and terrorized. She could care less about the Palestinian children whose lives are destroyed physically and/or emotionally due to their living environment. She could care less about American children's health due to eating/drinking/breathing a poisoned environment from fracking, offshore oil drilling, and other industrial pollutants.

HRC is just simply full of shit and not to be trusted on any subject.

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If you can get an abortion, don't tell anybody. Abortions: safe, but rare. Don't tell.

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provision to save the life or health of the mother. In other words, pretty much the Republican position. Hillary doesn't give a damn about reproductive rights anymore. She's passed menopause, so it no longer affects her.

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Twain Disciple

But Hillary never lies! She never changes her positions when the polls come out against her!. She's for the Average American (as long as the Average is millionaire or better)!

Like any con man, Hillary will do or say anything to win. Few would allow a street con to empty their wallets. But many would allow Hillary to empty their democracy.

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

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Seymour Hersh Says Hillary Approved Sending Libya’s Sarin to Syrian Rebels

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/04/28/seymour-hersh-hillary-a...

"now, for the first time, Hersh has implicated Hillary Clinton directly in this «rat line». In an interview with Alternet.org, Hersh was asked about the then-US-Secretary-of-State’s role in the Benghazi Libya US consulate’s operation to collect weapons from Libyan stockpiles and send them through Turkey into Syria for a set-up sarin-gas attack, to be blamed on Assad in order to ‘justify’ the US invading Syria, as the US had invaded Libya to eliminate Gaddafi. Hersh said: «That ambassador who was killed, he was known as a guy, from what I understand, as somebody, who would not get in the way of the CIA. As I wrote, on the day of the mission he was meeting with the CIA base chief and the shipping company. He was certainly involved, aware and witting of everything that was going on. And there’s no way somebody in that sensitive of a position is not talking to the boss, by some channel».

This was, in fact, the Syrian part of the State Department’s Libyan operation, Obama’s operation to set up an excuse for the US doing in Syria what they had already done in Libya."

Obama is just a snidely as Clinton. Actually more so if we're going to talk like we do about Clinton vs. Trump, i.e., that Clinton has done it, Trump has only talked about it. Obama has more blood on his hands than Clinton bar none.

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joe shikspack's picture

thanks, i hadn't seen that. it doesn't much surprise me though.

too bad our craven legislative branch cares so little about these things.

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is too busy dialing for dollars to care about anything but their campaign chests.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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There is no action against innocent civilians that they won't use to further their agenda and they certainly do not give a shit about the civilians who die or are maimed.
Imagine if we had a functioning media and press that reported on these types of activities.
Would that open people's eyes and show them who the real terrorists are and why the people in the Middle East want to attack us because of what this country has done to them for decades?
I recommend people read the link to the article Al provided.

This is beyond heinous, the fact that they wanted to use sarin gas on the civilians in Syria

The interviewer then asked: «In the book [Hersh’s The Killing of Osama bin Laden, just out] you quote a former intelligence official as saying that the White House rejected 35 target sets [for the planned US invasion of Syria] provided by the Joint Chiefs as being insufficiently painful to the Assad regime. (You note that the original targets included military sites only – nothing by way of civilian infrastructure.) Later the White House proposed a target list that included civilian infrastructure. What would the toll to civilians have been if the White House’s proposed strike had been carried out?»

Hersh responded by saying that the US tradition in that regard has long been to ignore civilian casualties; i.e., collateral damage of US attacks is okay or even desired (so as to terrorize the population into surrender) – not an ‘issue’, except, perhaps, for the PR people.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

Voting is like driving with a toy steering wheel.

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When she is talking to me, she says one thing that sounds like Bernie, but when she is talking where she thinks no one else can hear, she says something else. Like that tweet on AIDS and Nancy Reagan.

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- Greta Thunberg

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if clinton locks up the nomination, you can look forward to a lot more stuff like the nancy reagan aids tweet as clinton rushes to run to the right. she wants all of those rethug votes.

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If you feel yourself weakening in your resolve never to vote for Clinton, just trot on over to Dailykos and read comments on Bernie for five minutes. This will remind you that these people and their leader have absolutely nothing in common with liberals. In fact, they hate us. They espouse substance-free identity politics combined with mindless hero-worship reminiscent of the Republicans' worship of Bush as their "dear leader." If Obama or Clinton did it, it doesn't matter how many dead children resulted.

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a few nights ago. Boy has it gotten ugly. The place looks less and less like a place for progressive voices and more like and echo chamber for what I can only imagine are gullible supporters or Republicans.

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Gold is the wealth of kings; silver is the wealth of commoners; barter is the wealth of peasants; and debt is the wealth of slaves.

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my resolve not to vote for a bloodthirsty war-monger will not fade.

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Too many Clinton supporters have made it a reality free zone. I've decided I have better things to do with my time then get into internet arguments.

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in over 3 months... after 10 years .... they don't exist anymore in my world. They can have their echo chamber and fill it with little green footballs

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We've got the least popular candidates ever running for president.
I can only read about what the Democratic party used to be like before it was hijacked and moved to the right. At 27 years of age, I was born at the very tail end of Reagan and remember nothing of Bush, but I do remember Clinton. I think a lot of people in my age cohort, myself included, are inspired by this wild-haired fellow that bitches about banks, big money, and influence. I've been interested in politics since I was a kid and was never really happy with the Democratic party, but watching Bernie over the last year or so has really stoked that interest.
I have a good friend of mine that identifies as libertarian, I called him up the other day and we talk about everything from sports to cars to politics. When I asked what he thought of Trump, he was absolutely mortified at the prospect of him winning the nomination(Cruz was still in the running when we spoke). I made the observation that Clinton and other third-way dems are closer to libertarianism than any of the Repub candidates, minus Rand Paul of course. If you think about it, it's true. They have the laissez-faire economic attitude of the right-wing while also favoring high levels of individual freedom. It kind of struck a chord with him. I can't say for sure if he supports HRC over Trump, but you can see where I was taking the conversation at least.

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Gold is the wealth of kings; silver is the wealth of commoners; barter is the wealth of peasants; and debt is the wealth of slaves.

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between Sanders and Trump is they are both non globalists. Doesn't everyone find it odd that the only two non globalists running for president (other than Jill Stein) are both loathed by their own parties? My bet is that anyone who is a staunch opponent to globalist policies would get the same treatment... I can't verify this unfortunately but they've been shoving these shitty agreements down our throats for 24 years straight. I actually remember the time when we didn't have these 'agreements' and we actually had a lot more good jobs available in the country... we never needed these agreements... trade happened before they were implemented and they are simply corporate monopolization scams being inflicted on the nation and the world. That's why they are kept secret.

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Good diary Joe. I will bookmark this one.
The Clintons are neo-liberal predators only interested in making themselves rich off the presidency. Their money laundering operation is in place and has become a well oiled machine from her years at SoS. Her ruthless acts at SoS shows she has no boundaries and is morally bankrupt. She scares me sh1tless thinking of what she is capable of doing including deaths for dollars.

How is she beating Bernie in the primaries if it is not election fraud?
Look at the exit poll anomalies.
Just compare their rallies.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

joe shikspack's picture

it does seem quite odd that sanders can draw 10's of thousands of people to hear him speak in places where clinton is only able to draw measly numbers, yet clinton wins at the polls. it's something that ought to be looked into.

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We need UN monitors. What a disgusting position for the U.S. to be in.

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MonetaryLeviathon's picture

how many that go to her events are party loyalists in state, city or federal employment.

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Damnit Janet's picture

for Bernie in the Closed Primary here in Oregon.

After that.. I'll register as a Liberal or Indy or Greenie or Socialist or I'll make up something. But never will I register as a Dem again.

I'll focus on working on election reform. Screw the R & Ds.

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joe shikspack's picture

i'd love to orchestrate a national day of changing your voter affiliation like during occupy when they had drives to move your money from a bank to a credit union.

it'd be a great way to send a message.

of course, it'd be even better if we had a new party for folks to move to.

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I voted for an honest man (Bernie) here in CT. So I can cross that off my bucket list. Biggrin
It was a closed Primary so I think that's why Bernie lost the state. This would be a whole different election outcome if it was all open primaries.

Next up, go back to Indy status. Neo-liberal Dems can eat my dust.

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thanatokephaloides's picture

After that.. I'll register as a Liberal or Indy or Greenie or Socialist or I'll make up something.

Pirate. Register Pirate.

Smile

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

Corrupt as the day is long.

BTW

I have an Uncle Jim and Aunt Janet, dammit Janet is a comforting phrase to me.

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no more dem party for me. it's not worth trying to save and certainly not worth trying to change from the inside. I'm resigning my position in my county party as soon as the convention is over. Assuming clinton wins.

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MonetaryLeviathon's picture

my sentiments are virtually identical and I am not young. The dems suck and most of the republicans I work with think the same of their party. I went and looked up the voting record of the house and senate in 1999 on the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that repealed the Glass-Steagall and was, imo, an integral root cause of the financial crises of 2008/2009. A vast majority of dems voted against it EXCEPT bill clinton and most republicans voted for it.... I wonder how fucked up this 'leadership' in the dem party is today... but with hillary the 'leader' I can only imagine how those not carrying water for the agenda would be driven out ... like Kucinich was

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Citizen Of Earth's picture

that make it all suspect. Lee Camp did an excellent analysis that showed the primary exit polls are so far off, that it is a certianty that something is wrong (rigged machines, rigged count reporting, something stinks).

Edit (Opps wrong link, here is the corrected link)
This video
https://youtu.be/TmYYvZASoks

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hester's picture

Counterpuch has a piece on Charles Koch's soft endorsement of HRH. Some of it I like, but their bashing of Bernie leaves a bad taste. This however is spot on:

To the political inconvenience of said establishment Democrats, including Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Koch’s endorsement has content behind it. His charge (link above) is that establishment Democrats have the softer touch needed in present circumstance to sell Conservative policies like deregulation of industry and fiscal austerity. As Bill Clinton, whose policies Mr. Koch preferred to those of George W. Bush, and Barack Obama have demonstrated— it is socially liberal Democrats who have been the better proponents of Wall Street’s neo-capitalist takeover precisely because they accomplish with stealth economic policies what Republicans attempt more straightforwardly through politics.

I believe this completely. This is the sham of identity politics. She plays identity politics to win over those who fetishize (Sp?) that… People think (wrongly) that if some leader, Potus, Senator isn’t a racist, he/she will be careful not to put forth, vote for, enable policies that hurt that particular e.g. racial cohort. It’s all bullsh*t. They don’t give a flying phuck about any cohoort that doesn’t represent the almighty dollar.

She will sell out: seniors, the ill, the climate, Blacks, Latinos, Muslims, Affordable care, a decent minimum wage, women who need late term abortions, and on and on.

She will not sell out: Big banks, Wall $treet, Big Oil, Big Pharma, the MIC,

She is a sham. A center Republican masquerading as a liberal democrat.

Oh yeah and the electoral shenanigans in various states (NY particularly) is unforgivable.

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Don't believe everything you think.

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Our Peace vigil has dwindled down to two of us. Don, who is 86 year young retired doctor and me are the two who are left. Bill who is 81 has had a lot of health problems and may return, but at this point, it is just me and Don. Today there was not much traffic, so Don and I talked extensively about the election and the possibility of Clinton versus Trump. We both agree that neither of can vote for Clinton under any circumstances. I can protest vote Bernie or Stein, but I am very much of afraid of what we have to look forward to. One we know loves war and neither seems to give a shit about climate change. I would do almost anything to keep her sociopathic hands off the military. This has become a horrible choice if that is what we are left with. It is just depressing. I keep hoping that her ass is indicted or her close associates are indicted and she is forced to drop out. It is so painful to see our country placed in the worst possible situation regarding the Presidency. It is no longer the lesser of two evils choice. There is no lesser evil left. It is EVIL versus EVIL.

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Citizen Of Earth's picture

Don is quite a trooper to get himself conveyed to the vigil location -- at 86. I salute you both.

And yes, what an awful choice we are staring at. Still hoping for some kind of Bernie/Revolution surprise. Fingers crossed.

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gulfgal98's picture

than most people in their 60's. He was a runner, cyclist, and tennis player. Until recently he still bicycled, but has had neck problems so he can no longer do it. He wrote a novel in his late 70's and is contemplating writing another. If you saw him, you would never guess he is 86. Both of his brothers are similar to him as they are still very active (one is a doctor and the other is a working artist) and involved in their communities. Must be genetic. LOL

We now go week to week. I have told Don as long as he wants to do this, I will be there with him. Neither of us wants to do it alone. And no one else seems to want to do it. For me, it has been very rewarding because we have had some wonderful conversations with people of all stripes. And it is all about the conversations for me.

What I have learned is that when it comes to these wars, most of us have more to agree upon than we have differences and that goes for many self proclaimed conservatives.

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mimi's picture

as well. Kudos.

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riverlover's picture

When I drive by, I always salute with the V sign. I have not seen anyone recently, they may be down the street protesting in solidarity with the Verizon strikers. I always V-flash them, as well. Horn honking seems rude, lol.

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gulfgal98's picture

I wave at cars driving by and we get a lot of Peace signs or thumbs up. Don said that in the early days (13+ years ago) they got the middle finger more often than not. We see very few of those any more. People are catching on to the scam that war is and they want that money spent here at home.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

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joe shikspack's picture

yes, it's a damned odd election when hillary's biggest asset is that she is not trump and trump's biggest asset is that he is not hillary.

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gulfgal98's picture

that makes me want to cry for humanity.

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thanatokephaloides's picture

It is no longer the lesser of two evils choice. There is no lesser evil left. It is EVIL versus EVIL.

Dear American People,

This letter is to notify you that I will no longer accept any nominations or votes in your 2016 Presidential Election.

The reason for this is that with Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump as your Presidential Candidates, there is no more need for me to make the efforts a political campaign operation requires. My mission is accomplished.

Sincerely,
Cthulhu

Diablo

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Citizen Of Earth's picture

Edit, this was meant to be a reply to hester.

"establishment Democrats have the softer touch needed in present circumstance to sell Conservative policies like deregulation of industry and fiscal austerity."
And those are two hallmarks of Neo-liberalism.

That's why even if Sanders were to win the nomination, he would still be standing in the middle of a Neo-liberal party which needs a serious flushing.

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thanatokephaloides's picture

Very well and succinctly written, sir! Well played!

Give rose

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

humans. Nonetheless, I wouldn't say we have a lot of shared interests when it comes to policy.

I'm not sure whether Hillary believes her own statement or not. I sense that a LOT of the Hillarists erroneously believe that, indeed, there is more that unites us than divides us, which is why they prate about unicorns and ponies and rainbows: they are unable to conceptualize the set of values and ideas that drive the principled leftist, so they cannot conceive the magnitude of the gulf that separates them from, say, me.

In '08, I pointed out that to me, Kucinich wasn't a wackadoodle; to the contrary, of a laundry list of 15 or 20 affirmed-by-him policy positions, I agreed with all but 2 or 3, while the other candidates agreed with at most 2 or 3. Viewed from that figurative height, the "gulf" becomes evidently a large sea, large enough that the curvature of the earth obfuscates the foundations of things, and all that is visible are the bright blinking colored lights placed at the top of towers and buildings.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

jamess's picture

earned my Vote.

Of course, she'd rather

just sloganeer it away.

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are always excellent--I learn so much from them, with all the background material that you provide.

Not sure what would be worse--FSC's putrid neoliberal technocratic policies, or having to listen to that awful voice of hers in the comfort of our living rooms for a minimum of four years!

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have a good Mother's Day. This mother is trying to calm down after pup spent much of the night outside, under the deck in the rain. She has reappeared, smelling earthy, now asleep at my feet. As soon as she came inside she peed on the carpet. The 'go outdoors' concept has yet to happen.

Harvesting morels from within 20 feet of my house. I think I will try to dry some for later use. Waiting to see if my logs sprout Oysters, shiitake and lion's mane. Patience is a virtue.

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