Cenk Deconstructs the Super-D's "Tone it Down" edict
Submitted by jamess on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 3:08pm
Bernie Sanders Giving The Establishment A Headache
The Young Turks
In brief, DNC die-hards latest tact:
Go quietly into that sweet night already Bernie.
Just be sure give Us your Supporters before you do!
Nice ... Umm No.
DNC, Let the People Vote. All the People.
Don't 'Tone it Down' Bernie -- Turn it UP instead.
Teflon Don certain will, once he gets a load of this latest Hillary foible.
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Headaches are a start
but I want them to suffer an epic case of butthurt. I'm so tired of the projection coming from Clinton supporters at TOP about how Berniebros/bots can't get over being beaten by her Inevitableness. Wait until she loses if you want to see who can't get over it.
"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."
What gets me
What gets me is how so many of them see this election, as some sort of Game of Compromises,
between more of the same, and less of the Crazies.
Whereas, most progressives see this as serious Life and Death stuff,
where among other things,
literally the fate of the planet, hangs in the balance.
Our two camps aren't even in the same league, speaking of "games".
We are on vastly different levels
Your comment sums it up. Clinton supporters see this as a game between their team and the Republicans. They honestly cannot fathom that most Sanders supporters see this on a far higher level, as you say, one of life and death, literally. This is exactly why I do not see the millennials, in particular, automatically supporting Hillary if she gets the nomination. Actually, this leading edge baby boomer will not be supporting her either. I will be writing in Bernie if she is the nominee.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
To Sanders
To Sanders, Politics is far more than a Game.
His lifetime of fighting for what's right shows that.
To the Clintons, Politics have often been a 'means to an end' ...
The shady stuff waiting to be disclosed about the Clinton Foundation is truly disturbing, (and frightening to Dem chances this fall in general).
Assuming Republican Oppo research groups are half as competent as they have been in previous years, which I expect they are.
HRC favorability are already underwater. When the CF quid-pro-quo, becomes common knowledge
-- it will sink her SS presidential-ambitions.
Runnin a family foundation
As a political slush fund sows huevos. Large huevos. Hey, I dare you to question. I'm invincible!
Not even Trump is that craven. And they think we'll all just fall in line? For me, if it's not Bernie, my choice is writing him in or Jill Stien. Hillary isn't even in my venn diagram.
Actually....
Oh I think they are cut from the exact same cloth.
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Agreed.
The Democratic party will never change until there is an electoral cost to its corruption and promotion of mass killing for fun and profit. Because of this, I will not vote for Clinton under any circumstances.
As always, they'll say it's going to be the end of the world. Long term, however, the end of the world is far more likely to come from letting the lesser evil keep ratcheting us down to more evil, and then normalizing that evil, naturalizing it.
There is a term for this process, a term for denying a party your vote when its values and practices deviate far from your own; that term is "politics", and it's time the left practiced it.
The right and "center" do it all the time. Let them scream, and when they're done, tell them to shut the fuck up and next time present a candidate who isn't a moral and political dung heap.
“If there is no justice for the people, may there be no peace for the government.”
I think it was huge electoral
I think it was huge electoral losses in the 1980s that originally pushed the Democrats to Bill Clinton and the center. It doesn't really seem like winning has any effect on making the Democrats change. Of course a GOP President terrible while a Green Party President would be great. I guess we just have to see where things are after the conventions.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Actually
according to Thomas Frank, the change began between 1968 and 1972 when they rejected the New Deal Democratic promise - by '72, they had effectively kicked the unions out of their organization although they still wanted them to organize for them, raise money, deliver working people's votes.
This shift had an effect on Democratic policy solutions because of the naive (I'd call it Ivory Tower) view that everyone who gets a good education can rise to affluence. Even though not everyone can afford college, or even qualify for it if their early education has been substandard. Or that a degree from Small Town University doesn't have the same market value as one from the higher-cost, better connected Ivy League university. Or that people graduating with great grades and supposedly marketable skills still are unable to find decent paying jobs. And, of course, we used to have jobs that people without college degrees could make a good living at, raise a family on.
Bottom line is the upper 10% is now the Democratic Party's constituency, we're just the grunts they try to schmooze into voting for them.
One other great point he made is that, with an exception here and there, these "professionals" on whom they have hinged their hopes for a bright American future are NOT our best and brightest (i.e., the most creative and original) because they are "obedient thinkers" who embrace whatever the reigning doctrine is of their particular field.
The smaller the mind the greater the conceit. --Aesop
didn't realize kicked unions out by 1972
hey if some get kicked out of dailykos, that is less severe than kicking unions out of the democratic party
I use the date of 1980 when democrats walked away from the issue of poverty
but this pushes the date back farther and farther
this campaign has been an ongoing exposure of the corruption of politics and the two factions
if there is any hope, it is the Bernie movement
but, has the coup d'etat already gone too far?
Sure hope not.
I didn't realize the direction change had taken place so far back either, or the level of contempt Dem leaders had for the working class, based on things they actually said.
The smaller the mind the greater the conceit. --Aesop
Bill's presidency
If a Repub president had tried doing the things that Bill did - welfare deform, NAFTA, bank deregulation, etc. we most likely would have been out in the streets.
Papa Bush pushed NAFTA & was a 1 term pres
So Clinton comes along and passes NAFTA, MFN for China-- both of which the Democrats stopped Bush from doing. The Democrats had become what was mocked in Bullworth, a movie that should be required viewing for this election. Clinton also passed Bush's education bill with no changes to it. It was a Wall St take-over like the party was a corporation. We all know it, it's just good to be able to say it freely here. Sorry to rant. I'm just glad this new space if available now.
There won't need to be a next time
Senator Sanders is that candidate RIGHT NOW! He. Will. Win. Aloha.
There won't need to be a next time
Senator Sanders is that candidate RIGHT NOW! He. Will. Win. Aloha.
Can't get over 2008
Clinton's are so stuck in the past. She can only see what she did in 2008 - forgetting we KNOW she knew she was going to run for POTUS again, and she HAD to stay with the Democratic Party, DLC/Third Way to keep her own political viability.
We don't want ANYTHING from the DWS/DNC/DLC/Third Way if Bernie Sanders is not the nominee. Nada. Zilch. Nothing.
Happy as an Independent since the Clintons & the DLC/Third Way took over the Democratic Party. No interest in voting for someone just because he or she has a D in front of the name.
Will not vote to put the Clintons back in the White House.
+1 nt
FEEL THE BERN: "But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." - Thomas Paine
"Here I Stand, I can do no other." - Attributed to Martin Luther, 1521
cenk is on fire
and so so right... ty for this
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Turn it up to 11!
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Ten is too quiet. No, I DON'T WANT to make 10 louder and accept 10.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
lol
Maybe if Bernie took a page out of Trump's book,
and starts bluntly saying what is really wrong with the "Status Quo" ....
Those chumps haven't heard nothing yet.
Just listen to any one of Sanders Floor Speeches,
to find out who the Real Bernie really is;
That Senate Floor guy -- needs to stand up and take charge of the National Media Stage.
They are nothing if not "on message"
Kos is saying the same thing on his site. Support Bernie (for now) if you must, but pledge your ultimate loyalty to Hillary because she's the inevitable one. No criticism of Hillary allowed, or we'll call you a right-winger(?). Curb your enthusiasm for change - ain't gonna happen. And watch it with your tone!
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
the kos censureship edicts
illustrate so very much
what is wrong with the StatusQuo.
What dumbasses they really are.
With likely indictments by May,
With Conflict of Interests charges being dug up almost weekly, (last link in post)
Were in for one long summer of Hillary "trustworthy problems" being front and center.
Until next to no one -- bothers to show up to vote.
They reason they THINK there won't be any indictments...
Is because they'd NEVER think of doing that to the Republicans.
War Crimes? Election Fraud? Blatant Corruption?
...Water under the Bridge.
if the criminals don't agree not to indict each other, they'd ALL be in jail.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Bingo
My Open Thread topic tomorrow will be on the issue of self censorship.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I'll see your Bingo
and raise it one.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
It's another parallel with the USSR
Before Gorbachev became premiere and allowed Glasnost and Perestroika, no one could talk about the problems in the USSR. Everyone saw the problems. They knew what the problems were. But no one talked about it because talking (at least publicly) about it would get them in trouble because everything was supposed to be hunky-dory.
The establishment is trying to muzzle us. However, while the elites are trying to shush things, the elites control isn't as absolute here as it was in the USSR before Gorbachev. We still have a voice, for now. And Bernie is the conduit for our voices at this time and we will do what we can to help him help us.
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Kos....
The Larry David of the Turd Way.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Apparently, Schumer has spoken, calling for
Dem Senators (Claire, et al) to tone it done, about Bernie.
As one national campaign reporter put it (on XM Radio)--the Dem Establishment wants him to stay in (at least) until the convention.
If he should drop out, FSC would become the sole Republican target--to some extent, he mitigates this by staying in the primary race.
But even more than that, if/when either of them become the presumptive Dem Party nominee (no competitor), especially, considering all the drama on the Repub side--the coverage for the Dem nominee would drop off preciptiously.
They (reporters) say that it's unlikely that any of the Dem Party Leadership would actually want that to happen for 2-3 months--meaning until the Repub convention.
What I believe they (Dem Elites) want, is for Bernie to continue to compete--but in a 'docile' manner. Which is ridiculous, and totally unfair.
And, thankfully, it doesn't look like he's going to comply.
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Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
This is too funny
because kos has been calling for Bernie to give it up. I guess that was yesterday's message and Schumer is spouting today's message. Markos is behind spouting the latest message. He better get up to snuff.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Guess he's not on the A List yet...
so he only gets hand-me-down talking points.
Hillary Clinton 2016: I'm a proud progmoderate!
"Give up" was the previous talking point
"Give up" was the previous talking point. Now the Hillary surrogates have been told to say it's OK for Bernie to keep running as long as his supporters promise to back Hillary later on - when they expect her to win the nomination.
And last night on MSNBC, Susan Sarandon told Chris Hayes what she thinks of that idea.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
you mean
the one next in line, to choreograph this lucrative Senate Clubhouse:
LOL!!!!
I don't think "docile" is in Bernie's vocabulary.
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tone it down equals shush equals stfu
they, the Hillary loving folks, have a terrible strategy. They might stumble into a win and call it a rout. Oh yeah, that reminds me....saw a great thing a few days ago after Bernie cleaned up in the caucuses. Someone said Hillary is pulling away. Now we know that Bernie is closing the gap so how could she be "pulling away"? Because, it was explained, he's running out of time. Ok....but how is that pulling away? we ask again.
I swear, those Hillary lovers are some of the dumbest dumb----s I ever came across.
Did
Did Hillary "Tone it Down" when she was battling against Obama?
Not hardly,
History shows the Hill Campaign, turned their Obama attacks up to:
"Disgusting."
They repeated that again.
CBS news are still saying that she's "Pulling ahead in a virtually insurmountable lead." As if this last week didn't happen.
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Great rant by Cenk.
You gonna' cross-post ?
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
No
Go for it if you want.
But the content of the clip,
breaks at least 2 or 3 of Kos's new rules.
Please don't cross post
Let people come HERE to read
Please don't feed TOP
Really is time to let it go....just let them talk to each other...really, kindest to ignore..and much better for your mental health
LET. IT. GO.
Thank you
I've worked very hard
to earn the "credibility" I have/used to have there. (over 9 years, over 2700 posts, 612 Recommended).
I'm not going to throw away those many years of 'blood, sweat and tears', just to make a point.
I'm not posting there to benefit kos,
but because of the far-flung readers the site in theory can reach (ie the wide-audience).
I like this site caucus99percent.com, well enough (and just kicked in $50 for the 'upsizing' cause).
But please don't limit my resources and options, for getting my "framing messages" out there,
to as many readers as possible.
Thanks.
Everybody, IMO, is free to post anywhere s/he wants
I do think that after a while, everybody who's interested in thinking outside the Hillary/establishment Dem box, will have either been purged by Markos or will have left. But we're not there yet.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
those
are precisely the folks,
who need to be reached by good progressive reasoning.
Progressives, not so much, were already "there."
Who? I'm not quite following you.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
those
still trapped in the conventional box:
"Hillary/establishment Dem box".
That's a noble goal
One I don't personally share, but:
"May the Gods always stand between you and harm in all the empty places you must walk."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
thanks for the good thoughts, CSTS
But it's really not that hard, always.
Bernie shows us how easy it can be,
everytime he says:
Hmmm ... very good question. ... Even for the "progressively-challenged" ...
I agree, jamess
There are genuinely usful reasons for being at both sites. Please allow each person to participate in politics according to their own lights.
FWIW
The early members (of which I am one) of this site have encouraged cross posting with other sites. It is your work, jamess, and you should feel free to post wherever you see fit. I hope you will continue to see fit to post here.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
thanks gulfgal98
for that background info. It's good to know.
I understand the urge to be done with the GOS,
I also understand the ripple effect that place can have.
If kos can purge most of the progressive bloggers -- simply by laying down his petty Laws
-- then he has won.
If I (and others) can keep some of progressive ideals visible and viable
-- then he has won not as much.
FYI
I did post this one yesterday (to rave reviews).
I felt it barely squeaked by the Censor's filters (which so far seems to be the case).
This is what Third Way Incrementalism looks like
I was kind of worried about the phrase:
Luckily for me, I had actually quoted that guy in the previous block.
He can't "give us" to them.
We're not a drink on a tray.
Something Hillary doesn't seem to understand.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I know, Right?
It's not like we're 'gold stars",
ready to be stuck onto whatever new shiny object,
the establishment points to.
If this is a firm, and the 1% donors are the directors
and if Clinton is in fact the manager, then the other politicians are a bunch of employees, and we're the raw materials. But we're a bunch of raw materials that don't mean to have any process upon us, don't mean to be made into any product, don't mean to end up being bought by some clients of the party, be they corporations, be they labor unions, be they Democratic organizations, be they Clinton 2016, be they anyone! We're human beings!
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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
If you feel disrespected by that....
too bad for you.
100% correct.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
It's long overdue
No disrespect (un-)intended.
Nice Al Pacino there Cenk
Hope Cenk gets a chance to do the Hillary 'should go right to fucking jail!' bit too.
He just did the 'I'm out of order?, You're out of order!, this whole party is out of order!' bit rather well.
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I wonder if Cenk walked off the set singing Paul Simon to himself, you know, 'You can call me Al'.
With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU
that
would be classic!
Cenk was on fire!
I'm not with him on a few things, but I respect what he is doing and the way he is doing it.
I watch TYT almost every day. They are great.
'Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years, Doctor, and I’m happy to state I finally won out over it." Elwood P. Dowd "
"we're not LIKE you guys!!!!"
Cenk said it, the PTB have yet to understand that we are not 4-year-olds on a leash. The Establishment anything isn't preaching to a choir, they are talking to someone somewhere in a Quiet Room. At not.us.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Cenk was on fire!
I watch TYT almost every day. They are great.
I'm not with Cenk on a few things, but I really respect what he is doing and the way he is doing it.
I love watching younger people. a great video cast is "The Humanity Report".
Tim Black does a great job, too. Just put Tim Black in the YouTube search box to find him.
I mean if you want to
'Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years, Doctor, and I’m happy to state I finally won out over it." Elwood P. Dowd "
Great diary, jamess, tx a lot.
Cenk is great... the more that the Dem establishment insults us, the less likely 'we' will vote for HRC, should we be presented with that ultimatum.
Why don't they understand that? I find the call to 'tone it down, and play ball' to be mind bogglingly insulting. They are saying that our votes don't count at all, that the establishment has taken care of these tough decisions for us peans........ who the eff do they think they are?
It is becoming harder and harder to even think of voting for HRC...
Sea Turtle
very
condescending, was the word Cenk used.
And indeed it is.
Thanks SeaTurtle
Quite a foible there!
'Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years, Doctor, and I’m happy to state I finally won out over it." Elwood P. Dowd "
It's like a giant Iceberg
on a crash course,
with some "unsinkable" ship.
LOL
A Titanic, perhaps?
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
james
you must have known dallasdoc... is he gone from Daily Kos? I can't find his last diary and I wanted to share it with someone. maybe i'm searching wrong . . . i did see him here. it would break my heart if he disappeared. just don't know who else to ask.
“There are moments which are not calculable, and cannot be assessed in words; they live on in the solution of memory… ”
― Lawrence Durrell, "Justine"
pfiore8
Here's that stellar post of his:
The Wound Has Been Reopened
by Dallasdoc -- Mar 12, 2016
That was his last story post according to his Profile page.
He is not bojo'd or on a T.O.
Dallasdoc made a comment on Sun Mar 27, 2016.
So he's still around. He may be recalibrating some internal scales (?)
Earth-shifting posts can do that to a person, make them re-access their priorities sometimes, etc.
Been there.
thank you so much James
i just would hate to lose track of him. i've never met him and yet i love him. i've known him for so many years and he's been one of the truest voices i've read on these here internets...
he's kind, you know?
and thanks for the link.
“There are moments which are not calculable, and cannot be assessed in words; they live on in the solution of memory… ”
― Lawrence Durrell, "Justine"
I too
respect the guy
a lot.
He posted that essay here as well!
I feel the same kind of love for him.
'Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years, Doctor, and I’m happy to state I finally won out over it." Elwood P. Dowd "
Tone it down means
switch from being a Clinton opponent to a Clinton surrogate. Continue speaking, bringing in young voters and generating enthusiasm, but focus that energy and enthusiasm against the Republicans, leaving Clinton as the lesser evil. Third Way Democrats will never give any policy concessions to the Left. They will cut a personal deal to a bundler who delivers votes, but will never give anything to those voters.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
it like a giant Iceberg
on a crash course,
with some "unsinkable" ship.
Cenk nailed it
Claire McKaskill, Harry Reid, Jeanne Shaheen, Sherrod Brown, Brian Schatz, Barbara Milkulski and Barbara Boxer should consider retiring, making room for progressive Democrats or leave the party altogether.
They are OLIGARCHS and it's time to RIP THE OLIGARCHY out of this nation's governance or throw in the towel and slit our own throats rather than watch the world die by the inches they're killing it.
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Muerte al fascismo. Muerte a la tiranía. colapso total de los que promueven tampoco. A la pared con el unico porciento%
I watched this video and Cenk on Merrick Garland
Wow, Cenk is on fire ... for good reason. Do you think that Obama had any idea that he was cutting off Clinton at the knees by nominating Garland? The main argument that I get from Hillary supports is that I must vote for Hillary because "the Supreme Court". If Obama can nominate a conservative that doesn't believe in Habeas Corpus, and thinks that unlimited money in politics is just fine, then Hillary, who I believe is to the right of Obama, will nominate even worse candidates for the SC. She will nominate candidates that support the banksters, the MIC, extraordinary rendition, the rights of the Oligarchs, and loss of our access to government information, and the right of the President to summary executions and to wage endless, undeclared wars.
Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
Well DallasDoc is here.
http://www.dailykos.com/user/Dallasdoc
Here he is at dkos.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
i saw him here once dk
but I think my search was wrong because I had his name in lower case.
thanks.
“There are moments which are not calculable, and cannot be assessed in words; they live on in the solution of memory… ”
― Lawrence Durrell, "Justine"
Slightly OT, but not really
Cenk brought it up. = )
When it became clear that the Republicans were going to go all the way out to obstruct an Obama nomination for the Supreme Court, I signed all the petitions that came my way that required the Republicans to hold hearings and give an up-or-down vote.
No longer. With Obama's nomination of Merrick, I have quit signing any of those petitions. I would ask that others do the same. Would a Republican nominee be worse? Maybe, maybe not. What I do know is that another corporatist judge is certainly not what we need. As Cenk points out, we have no idea where he stands on issues such as pro-choice, but he has stood up for the NRA which should be a warning signal. Out hope has to remain that it will be Sanders making the selection.
My 2 cents.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
winddancer, i thought the whole thing was theater
set up to get us to blindly follow Obama fighting the big bad rethugs. it is all bullshit.
i know all of those who love Obama think this is another 11 dimensional chess master move ... oh, and it is but not to outplay the rethugs. to outplay us.
“There are moments which are not calculable, and cannot be assessed in words; they live on in the solution of memory… ”
― Lawrence Durrell, "Justine"
Hell no we won't go!
Yes, I'm showing my age by quoting that chant.
But my vote is mine, and I will cast it as I please.
I had one brother die in the Korean War and another one injured in that war. I had a lover who went to Vietnam and came back a complete stranger. I have a daughter who is a disabled vet from the 9/11 era.
Not one of those people dear to me suffered just so somebody can force, coerce, or shame me into voting a certain way.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
omigod, aginglefty
My family was unscathed by the Korean "conflict". But Nam? It killed souls.
A generation of vets, a generation of mother fucking draft dodgers.
For what?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
My father fought in Korea.
My father fought in Korea.
I feel exactly the same. He didn't call down artillery on his own position and bury himself in a bunker to help build an Oligarchy that would keep my nephew in college debt and poverty.
And he sure as hell didn't go through it so I could sit on my butt and let Hillary lie about sniper fire unchallenged.
I have no need to beat you, I just want to go my way."~ Malcolm Renyolds
jamess, I am so happy you can cut loose,
footloose, and I agree there is no reason to get banned from TOP because we need to see exactly what the Powers That Be are doing, from the inside.
Cenk nailed it, and he was vilified at TOP, stopped bothering to post on that progressive site. It won't be long before Bill Moyers gets the treatment.
Anyway, you are my heart, jamess.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Thanks
for that vote confidence, on the cusp.
I appreciate it.
I hope I can be a progressive pain in their side for a some time to come.
All their efforts to "protect" their flawed Candidate
-- won't
(The GOP -- and Trump especially -- won't follows kos petty rules;
neither will the Corporate Media, by the time it's done.)
Agree, Cenk's on fire!
Way to rip 'em a new one!
The smaller the mind the greater the conceit. --Aesop
Hey Harry Reid, Fuck you!
Hey Harry Reid,
Fuck you!
I have no need to beat you, I just want to go my way."~ Malcolm Renyolds
!!! truth
Great vid , thank you for posting
Had not seen it yet
In the end, it is important to remember that we cannot become what we need to be, by remaining what we are...
Tone It Down?
Thanks Jamess for posting this. Ever since I heard this "tone it down" crap coming from the Clinton camp I was wondering what they were talking about. I thought I had missed something, but apparently criticizing Clinton for her positions on key issues facing the American people (& the rest of the world for that matter) is now taboo. I am so disgusted with the Clinton Democratic Party that I am seriously considering changing my affiliation to Independent except that in Illinois that means I wouldn't be able to vote in either primary. Judging from the comments I have read here and elsewhere I think it's time the disenfranchised 90% of us got together and created a new political party. When I thought I was a Democrat many people used to discuss how the poor dumb southerners would vote against their own interests just to be loyal to a particular party even when that party was actively conspiring against them. Now I wake up to find the Democrats are doing the same thing. Cenk is right. This isn't about Bernie it's about US. If Bernie pivoted right no one in their right mind would follow him. The main reason I support Bernie and a handful of other candidates is because they are representing my perspective. When they stop doing that I'll stop supporting them. & by the way f*ck Harry Reid. He has supported Chuck Schumer to replace him when it should have been Dick Durbin and he has targeted Alan Grayson of Florida by supporting a DINO & let's not forget that he refused to support Rick Weiland of South Dakota when he ran for the Senate in 2014. The Democratic establishment and the Republican establishment ARE the establishment period. By the way thanks for offering refuge from TOP.