Did anyone watch the morning Joe show on the FBI investigation? I hope they drop a rock on her and her campaign.

He never made any money from me; I used an ad blocker and Ghostery on his site for years.

BluHell Firewall works pretty good there, too.....

movements away from us like taking candy from a baby.

Of course, many are fighting back, esp on the racial justice front, but it's horrific watching the Hillary supporters dominate the discourse and use it for their own ends. Nasty! Toxic, and will cause lasting damage to both movements.

They've hollowed out the racial justice movement, b/c the anti-racist argument vs Bernie mostly consists of:

1)Lots of black people vote for Hillary.
2)They won't vote for Bernie.
3)Therefore, lots of black people don't like Bernie.
4)There's something wrong with Bernie, and it has to do with race.
5)He must be somehow racist!

This is why I like Ta-Nehisi Coates: he made an actual, concrete *criticism* of one of Bernie's policy positions--reparations. There's something real and solid about that. The bulk of the CBC and other establishment Black voices? There's nothing *there*. But if you say there's nothing there, and you've got white skin, look out! You're probably racist too.

Besides, if he were here, I could ask him how the "forcible" overthrow of a government (a "real" revolution) differs from war, and what part a 60-ish man would play in it.

nothing wrong with that. Nobody should be manipulated to support nilly-willy the Sanders political revolution or campaign. Lots of people have given up on any campaign. No need to challenge someone to a debate. As JtC said this site is not by default a Sanders campaign support site. Many do support Sanders, but those who stay back shouldn't be "chastised" for it. Wait and see is one way to approach it.

Just saying and throwing my support for Al's peace of mind in here.

I'm a wikileaks reader from way back. I even donated to them years ago. When as a Ludditte I first got online during the Bushies I wrote an email to Nancy Pelosi yelling at her for hustling Dem. money from people and then refusing to fight the Republicans. I went on and on about funding the illegal wars and the war criminal Nazis's like Cheney and Rumsey in the WH and then made the mistake of sending it to the WH. I'm still here and not in Gitmo so I think you'll be okay.

"They think they're on the cusp of something important, that they're literally leading a shift in American poltiics.

Bullshit. Most of the Sanders supporters are none other than Obama supporters, the war criminal, liar extraordinaire that still maintains an over 80% approval rating from Democrats.

I'm not so sure about that.

I think that most of Sanders' support comes from the very flavor of Obama voter that you described yourself as:

I am sorry that I believed his hope and change shit the first time. His FISA vote gave me pause, but I knew that there would be no hope or change after I saw his cabinet appointments. After the first drones started flying. After saying that even though "we tortured some folks, we will look forward not backward"
And especially letting Bush, Cheney and the banks off with their crimes against humanity.

Add to that the arch-fiasco corporate welfare-a-thon called the "Affordable" Care Act, and you've got me described to a "T", too. And a great many other Bernie supporters as well. I wrote off a lot of the war stuff because of the old saying of General William T. Sherman: "War is Hell and you cannot refine it." Dumbya bequeathed wars to Obama, and everything that touches war sucks. But Obama had a clear opportunity to put the United States on the same high standard as all civilized nations on Earth with the ACA, and instead he screwed the pooch royally, allowing Lieberman and Baucus to kill the public option after he himself removed single payer from the table despite the fact he had the votes and the powers to push single payer through if he really meant what he had said about hope and change.

Were what you said correct, and Bernie's supporters were nearly all typical Democrats, he'd already be out of the race and Her Inevitability would already be crowned. But instead, Bernie really is leading a shift in American politics: he's restoring the moderate left to a nation whose politics had been the exclusive preserve of various flavors of the right for 40 years. And he's doing it with the help and support of a lot of people who, like both of us, are very disappointed in Barack Obama as President.

That this is viewable as "a political revolution" is simply another symptom of how far we've deteriorated as a nation from the JFK years.

Sanders supporters, let me say that I don't see it that way at all.

There are tens of thousands of indies registering as Dem to vote for Sanders, and it ain't b/c they have any loyalty to the Democratic party or to Obama. In fact, Obama has come out for Hillary, for Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, etc. The Sanders campaign is afraid to criticize Obama--that's one of their failings--for fear it will make the "Bernie is a racist" argument take off even more (meanwhile, of course, Clinton can say whatever shit she wants to about Obama).

However, you shouldn't conflate the official Sanders campaign with the Sanders supporters, who show an unusual degree of independence and initiative--I think b/c a lot of us are not really Dems at all, but indies who registered Dem so we could vote and fully intend to de-register shortly.

In fact, that's what made Donna Brazile so butthurt about Sanders when he said he ran as a Dem to get media coverage! They know that lots of us have little or no loyalty to the Democratic party.

but it may be a better compromise for us working stiffs than a hillary or trump version once in office.

my friend jason smith stated this recently to me:

"No I don't think Sanders will live long enough if he gets the nomination. Even if he did he is just another right wing Gompersite labor fakir."

jason teaches his fundamentals of the theory of historical materialism as explained for students from various working class parties. link below -

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyjaJCGmsieJCIX_DwG1jXA