Open Thread: I've never been to Spain, but I kinda like the music ..


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I have, in fact, liked it since I was in my teens. By the time this posts I will have finally spent over half of a month there, and I will have just returned home. It seems like I spent most of this calendar year so far writing ahead to stockpile stuff to cover various vacations, surgeries and other entertainment, and this is going in the bank with two days left before we leave, making it a respite and a celebration. Here is some of that music.
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I guess that one should start with Carlos Montoya, I know that I did, some ages ago.
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Concierto de Aranjuez - If you've never heard this but find it familiar, blame Miles and we'll get there later, I promise.
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And then one discovers this guy, my first Album of his was "Tres Guitarras Tiene Sabicas", a great album. This is bulieras.
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And this is a Farruca

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What can I say, this man's "name" is an honorific, Manitas de Plata
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There are families or styles of flamenco, such as the Malagueñas, Farrucas, and Sevillianas
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Una Sevilliana
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with percussion
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and vocals

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OK, about Concierto de Aranjuez, a magnificient piece of music, and an inspiration to many --
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It is an open thread, so go for it, presumably we can all talk and listen at the same time.
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I may or may not be here when this posts depending upon jet lag.
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Lookout's picture

Spain is on my bucket list. I like Mexico and have a couple of birding trips designed which I hope to get to eventually.

Welcome home and sleep well to escape your lag.

Thanks for the stockpiled OT's!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Lookout
dedicated biding, though we did spot some birds here and there, of course. Have a good one.

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@enhydra lutris thanks, I like it when people write about travels. My world map just fell apart looking at where Spain/Portugal is, the latitude and longitude. Were you near the meridian of greenwich? zero time
World map split right down the middle, opening and closing too many times since Printed August 2004. Not a good thing, symbolically speaking. The world being torn apart, after wearing out...

Anyway, was thinking if Spain gave up there Bull stuff, maybe they can still "Run with the Cats" every year, because you know what they say about herding cats... ? I forget. LOL the more fear, the more funny. Life really is what it's cracked up to be. haha prohibere loquentes

https://www.teachingchildrenphilosophy.org/BookModule/TheStoryOfFerdinand

Our society puts a lot of emphasis on teaching children to make “ethical choices,” but it would be difficult for any of us to determine a clear set of criteria that makes an action “right” or “wrong” each time.
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Ferdinand’s passivity informs a discussion on Violence. Considering why Ferdinand does not follow the other bulls’ example of rough play leads to a discussion on Conformity. Finally, examining why Ferdinand does not follow the men’s orders leads to a discussion on Obeying Authority.

PEACE

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@eyo
urban beachfront setting in Torremolinos, tons of them out in the evening.

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@eyo @eyo

Thanks for the link to the story site. I bookmarked it. Found one of my favorite stories, "Stone Soup" and was delighted to find a Japanese version.

Ferdinand’s passivity informs a discussion on Violence. Considering why Ferdinand does not follow the other bulls’ example of rough play leads to a discussion on Conformity. Finally, examining why Ferdinand does not follow the men’s orders leads to a discussion on Obeying Authority.

Good stuff!

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Marilyn

"Make dirt, not war." eyo

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So who watched GoT last night? Any thoughts? I was totally disappointed.

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@dkmich hola. Here is Ron's opine, with spoilers of course:

I Dug The Game Of Thrones Episode - Here's Why

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@eyo
neighborhood carp explosion ok. Have a good one.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

@enhydra lutris brr it is forty degrees Fahrenheit and every thing is wet, including the fresh pile of garbage in the driveway, and the sopped furniture on the lawn. Today is the day the water gets shut off, unless my landlord calls the city to stop it, and pays the large connection fee. hmph What, me worry? lol Thank gawdess I have a room, with a heater. Soon I will turn it on and become warmer. The full moon was great, I was thinking about Russians gazing at it from where they are. moon gazers unite "Wherever you go, there you are"

Did I mention the state of california shut down my medical provider recently? Because Real Estate. So much for palliative care ~shrug~, torture is back in fashion. It will be "interesting" to say the least. granny panic My new Rastafriend is a big fan of Kamala via the awesome power of facebook. Her small farmer guy from Mendo got crushed by BigCanna recently too. keep flushing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Spain
huh Cannabis clubs good luck
--- song facts

This song is about Hernán Cortez, the Spanish conqueror of the Aztec Empire. The Aztecs lived in what is now considered Mexico, and Cortez had an army of 600 sail from what is now Cuba to the Aztec town of Tobasco (yes, where the hot peppers and the name of the sauce originally came from). The Aztecs thought Cortez was a god and bowed before him. They let his army roam free. Cortez, however, became wary of their good nature and took their leader hostage. He then captured and killed many of their people. He also unwittingly brought new diseases to the Americas, which the natives had no immunities towards. On top of all this, he built what is now Mexico City with slave labor. He returned to Spain a hero.
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Peace is a theme of this song. From verse six: "But they built up with their bare hands, what we still can't do today" indicates that even in the most barbarian times there was still peace, and in present day, as sophisticated as it may be, there is anything but peace. The Aztecs were peaceful, representing sort of a utopian nonviolent society. Cortez and the Spanish brigade used trickery to beat the Aztecs, people who had never committed any offensive acts towards the Spanish. The Spanish could represent the status quo society, completely antonymic from the amicable Aztecs.
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During a show in Manassas, Virginia on August 13, 1996, Young told the audience that he wrote this song after eating too many hamburgers in high school. "One night I stayed up too late when I was goin' to high school. I ate like six hamburgers or something. I felt terrible... very bad... this is before McDonald's. I was studying history, and in the morning I woke up I'd written this song."

welcome back
PEACE

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@eyo . But I stay away from the hamburgers.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

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@eyo
horror on the Americas, beginning with their Catholic Majesties and in particular her Catholic Majesty Isabella. Assorted venal, greedy, sociopathic, popes and lesser church functionaries (sorry to be so redundant there) aided and abetted. I always liked that song, no matter how many burgers it took him to write it.

Have a good one.

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@dkmich
agree with you, it is becoming a thing of the past, and is even outlawed in some places like Barcelona. I doubt we outsiders will ever know how popular it ever was, I met plenty of folks who didn't like it and never had, just as there are a lot of USA folks who never liked boxing but just shrugged it off as part of the cultural background. It is, at any rate, becomeing even less popular, especially among the youth, though it is, ironically, something of a tourist attraction in places where it persists.

I never got into GOT, sorry.

Have a good one.

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@dkmich the first episode when it came out, but just couldn't get into it at all. I am, on the other hand, _desperately_ happy that it is over with (along with whatever that interminable sitcom about the nerds was).

Looking at the MSM, America's big concerns are GoT, lame sitcoms, and whether the Kentucky Derby winner should have been disqualified. Maybe it is just me, but I think that a minimum of 25% of the available time on the public airwaves should be factual, substantive news: not speculation on Kim Kardashian's IQ, or who wore what to an awards show, or whether some unknown source just kicked off the next juicy scandal.

Maybe when someone sinks the Lincoln or one of its escorts, that sort of thing will finally make the news. Bolton's gonna get his war, one way or another, and it will get no coverage until it is already way too late and a few thousand sailors are on the bottom... There is no chance that an antiwar message will be allowed to derail that.

TV. Nope, not a fan, and getting to be less of one every year. But your mileage may vary.

On edit: that kind of "get off my lawn!" rant needs an appropriate musical accompaniment. So I must present Thomas Dolby's wonderful ode to Pulp Culture...

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@skod
I hear echoes of that rant ringing down the decades, from Lenny and Mort, the beats, Carlin and too many others to mention. It seems to go back almost to the beginnings of network TV. "The medium is the message" - Mcluhan said that. I wonder how deep it goes? Scans, bits and currents, scintillations, hmmmm.

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@dkmich They could have ended it last week, it would have been better as far as I'm concerned at least I could have imagined a better ending.

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@dkmich

How did Jamie Lannister go from golden haired to dark haired? Cercei’s hair seemed to have darkened, too, but not as much.

Is deserting ones post at the Night’s Watch no longer punishable by death? Jon heading north of the Wall seems like what would have been considered desertion.

Dany wasn’t always destined for the Iron Throne. She was traded to the Dothraki to give her whiny brother that privilege. Doesn’t anyone remember that?

Didn’t anyone notice how King Bran had the same expression that Littlefinger had when pursuing the Iron Throne?

Will Queen Sansa end up like Elizabeth I, ending her reign unmarried with no heir? The end of the Starks?

Was this a parable for our polluted world, ending up full of disposable coffee cups and water bottles? Not even the Marianas Trench is safe from our trash, so why should this fictional world?

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@dkmich

Best anti-war show ever made.

No wonder the corporate hacks are ginning everyone up to hate it.

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As in the 2008 meltdown, it was unscrupulous, unregulated financial shenanigans, this time in the medallion market and lending business.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/19/nyregion/nyc-taxis-medallions-suicide...

Immigrants were induced to take out loans they didn’t understand and couldn’t afford so that middlemen in the taxi-medallion business like this could prosper:
https://www.businessinsider.com/nicki-minaj-matt-murstein-bar-mitzvah-20...

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@lotlizard
in the con and the sting - they are the archetypal models for all other forms of "trading" and "business".

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@enhydra lutris

makes a killing, which means someone else must suffer. No wonder Social Darwinism was/is so popular among capitalists.

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@Lily O Lady

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This duo is from Mexico, not Spain, but the influence is strong ... and they're incredibly talented:

Looking forward to hearing about your travels. I've been fortunate to visit different parts of Spain in the past and find it a beautiful place. (Save for the dog excrement all over the streets of Madrid!)

(I was going to insert a photo, but the File Browser doesn't seem to work for me).

Rest well!

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@Eagles92
poop in Madrid, so I was lucky of they've got that under better control.

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@Eagles92  

Children’s song venting kids’ frustration at dog owners allowing their dogs to mess up parks and play areas with disgusting remnants that kids inevitably wind up getting on their shoes and clothes.

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@lotlizard Thanks for the link.

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Racial and academic divide in Healdsburg schools spurs call for change

“There is a disparity between the two schools,” said Healdsburg Superintendent Chris Vanden Heuvel. “Like every other school district in California and Sonoma County, we’re struggling with the achievement gap, but we’re trying to find ways to improve it.”

The article is way more bigly than these two quotes. charter schools suck alot

“No one has the answer for what we can do, but I hope that some good change comes of this eventually,” Flores said about the task force. “It’s just hard to see what equity really is. You may have to give up something to provide something for another child, and I don’t think a lot of people can come to grips to that.”

okie dokie

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both the standard "classical" repertoire and the trad. flamenco style from which it is derived. I'll confess to having been ignorant about the genre for most of my life. That ended when our son started taking guitar lessons and I was forced to take a crash course.
A couple of my favorite recording are the "roots" albums by Paco de Lucia and the Gipsy Kings.
It's interesting that two of the most recognizable Spanish guitar tunes, Asturias and Malagueña de Lecuona, were both composed on piano. Here's one of my favorite pieces:

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@Azazello
introduced the cajon, a (Brazilian??) folk instrument into flamenco. Thanks for the video.

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. . . look forward to hearing about Spain. Whenever I think about flamenco dancing I remember the Australian movie "Strictly Ballroom." Quirky, funny.

Since this is an OT I want to make a Bernie comment. I have donated very small amounts so several other campaigns, Tulsi, Mike Gravel, Marianne Williamson . . . and I like Andrew too.

Bernie is doing something incredibly wonderful while he is campaigning this time. He is not just doing his stump speech every time. He is focusing on specific issues and going into great detail. This weekend I watched the town hall in SC on education. As a former teacher and parent, I thought it was excellent. And as an Iowa farm kid, still part owner of a farm there, the town hall in Iowa I watched about a month ago which dealt with a plan to help small farmers just blew my mind. Of course Tulsi's antiwar speeches, Andrew's UBI interviews, Mike Gravel's extremely progressive views, and even Marianne's Dept. of peace and other progressive views add to the mix.

So what's happening is that these candidates are building a progressive platform and educating the masses big time.

Bernie is still the energizer bunny. He keeps working and working.

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Marilyn

"Make dirt, not war." eyo

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@mhagle

So what's happening is that these candidates are building a progressive platform and educating the masses big time.

Let's hope so, and also that it sticks.

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@enhydra lutris

He has two or three local speakers passionately and intelligently addressing the same topic before he takes the stage. Really reinforces the message with the audience IMO.

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Marilyn

"Make dirt, not war." eyo

@mhagle @mhagle thanks, she is South Carolina's billionaire fwiw. I downloaded and watched the vid you referred to earlier. good talk
Bernie Unveils His K-12 Education Plan
https://youtu.be/oqNRlcgO8xw

1:11:50, I skipped over the local talkers, whatever happened to separation of church and state? never mind
Bernie starts talking around 48m and goes until his mic breaks, then finishes with a different mic 'cause "he's prepared" LOL go bernie mic drop

Did you see my other comment about separate but unequal? Huh I guess my copy pasta was planted then, good one. hah echo Here's Anita avoiding facial rec, I would too. get small
Zucker takes the floor
three billions in a gown
Guests go all out, vodka shots flow, and Anita Zucker takes to the dance floor at Tatyana's Ball

The theme of the affair, decidedly “Imperial Russia,” echoed throughout the entire evening and influenced everything from music to food. Cru Catering treated guests to duck confit stuffed canapes, shot glasses of borscht, a traditional soup in Eastern European culture, rounds of black bread dotted with chopped, hard boiled egg salad and more. Trays of High Noon distillery vodka shots circulated the foyer — a thoughtful trick which supplied a little liquid courage to help fill the dance floor later.

oh noes
back off topic:
http://tricountycradletocareer.org/who-we-are/our-leadership/

Chair, Anita Zucker, The InterTech Group
Our Path Forward

huh

2. Equitable School Funding

We believe the state should make the following changes:
Shift resources to where the need is greatest, increase millage caps based on population growth and give all districts budget autonomy.

What's a millage cap? sry Edit: instant karma misspelling referred, and then the check changed it to refereed. whee

I had to come out of that rabbit hole quick, but thanks. She's a Biden giver, to his cancer research foundation, according to the tweet machine. okay

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Love the music, great.

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@smiley7

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@gjohnsit
reading.

Have a good one.

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@gjohnsit that *meme*. Stealing that....

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Welcome home. I didn't realize the pre-writing and planning efforts you were going to to give us our open threads. Thank you!

Any pics of the trip? For later, some day when you're rested and not too busy.

Winter is trying to hang on here. Had about 10 minutes of small hail Friday! Now we're in for rain all day, overnight, and most of tomorrow. Temps in mid-30s overnight. Don't know what happened to Spring.

I planted a rose bush Saturday. It is a bit smaller than 2 feet tall by 2 feet wide. A bubble gum pink. I love it so much I paid $18 for a box from UPS when I couldn't find one in 2 grocery stores and a liquor store to cover it with during today's and tomorrow's winds, rain and cold. Hope it takes root and makes it!

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@OLinda
realize that I also caught a cold on the flight home (half the plane was coughing), so who knows when I'll get around to dealing with them and putting some up here.

Have a great one.

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Et al.

Welcome home and thx for the music. You missed some amazing rain. Heh

Have a good one everyone

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@magiamma
garden are amazing. A ton more weeds and such to deal with, among other things. Got a surprise gullywasher in Barcelons, supposed to be 0.3 mm but rained hard most of the day. Whatever can be causing all of this I wonder snidely.

Have a good one.

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How was the wine, tapas, and suckling pig?

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@Anja Geitz

and the prey have eyes on the sides of their heads, when you grab a bull by the horns, what does he see. I mean besides two buns, lettuce and tomato in the future? Maybe spanish flies?

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@QMS
Jerry Lee Lewis fans alike.
Have a good one.

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@Anja Geitz
other tempranillos (Ribera del duero, etc>). Tapas generally pretty good too, though we mostly passed on the whole Tapas scene other than bocadillos, usually iberico jamon and manchego queso. Never got around to trying the suckling pig.

Thanks for reading and have a great one.

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