Partial list of pathetic Hillarybot excuses for DNC corruption
#1) Let's get one thing out of the way right now:
The primary was rigged against more than Bernie. Even if you hate Bernie so much that you won't even concede obvious facts, rigging a primary hurts all the candidates AND the voters.
Could Bernie Sanders have won a primary that wasn't 'rigged'? Um.
Right now the question is whether the Clinton campaign's dominance over the DNC (which was alleged at the time, too) helped her win and whether, without it, Sanders would have been the one on the ballot against Trump in November.
The numbers would suggest the answer is still no.
i'm bit confused by "rigged" part. Hillary won VA by 30 pts, FL by 30 pts, MD by 30 pts, NY by 16 pts, OH by 13 pts., CA by 8 pts.... https://t.co/GuVxfv2xof
— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) November 3, 2017
This is a moronic rationalization in more than one way.
Honest answer: if y'all were cheating and money laundering and you DIDN'T affect the vote, you shouldn't be allowed to run a lemonade stand. pic.twitter.com/X3lPtndyZW
— John Graziano (@jvgraz) November 2, 2017
Yes, Eric. Rigging usually results in victories.
Lemme know if you want to continue our previous discussion: Why spoons work best for soup https://t.co/5pUloETHHh
— John Graziano (@jvgraz) November 3, 2017
#2a) How can anyone say with a straight face what an unrigged race would look like?
#2b) This has got to be the most unethical defense of corruption a person can make.
I hope those who say the Dem primary was "rigged" understand they are denigrating Hillary's voters, not Hillary herself. Profoundly wrong.
— Peter Daou (@peterdaou) November 2, 2017
#3) This is just bizarre. I have no words.
#4) If this looks familiar, it is. We saw this "kill the messenger" tactic from establishment Dems when Edward Snowden revealed that we were all being illegally spied on.
Brazile is too smart not to know releasing her book now wasn’t going to be used by Republicans to block out everything wrong they are doing from tax cuts for the rich to covering up the disgusting behavior of Trump and his campaign.
#5) Trump and Republican corruption are disgusting, but so is DNC corruption. At some point "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."
The DNC, which Brazile claims rigged the primary for Clinton, was the organization saying to states it was OK for Sanders to run in their primaries even though he was not a Democrat. Sanders himself said were he not allowed into the Democratic Primary he couldn’t have run.
#6) See response #1. Plus, who gives a sh*t?
Both campaigns signed agreements with the DNC to raise money.
#7) About those signed agreements.
Secret Clinton-DNC agreement proves @DonnaBrazile right. "It's for the general" is nonsense. Opposite is true. It specifies:
Sep 1, 2015: Commencement
Sep 11: Appointment of Clinton picked communications director
Oct 1: First cash payment of $1.2m
Mar 31, 2016: Termination date pic.twitter.com/hvUmdT8iQd— Julian Assange (@JulianAssange) November 4, 2017
A joint fundraising agreement between the Bernie Sanders campaign and the Democratic National Committee -- obtained Friday by ABC News and signed at the start of the primary campaign for the 2016 presidential election -- does not include any language about coordinating on strategic decisions over hiring or budget, unlike a fundraising memo between the Hillary Clinton team and the DNC.
Former Sanders staff members argue that the Sanders-DNC agreement refutes the claim by the DNC that the two campaigns were offered similar treatment by the party. What's more, the Sanders team posits that the joint fundraising agreement they signed with the party was never acted on.
Clinton Campaign Manager Robbie Mook Denies DNC Rigged 2016 Primary: "Politics Is Politics"
However, responding to Sanders campaign adviser Jeff Weaver's complaint that it was "pretty clear" the DNC was on the Clinton side, Mook said "politics is politics."
On interim DNC chairwoman Donna Brazile's claim that after review the DNC did in fact rig the primary in favor of Clinton he said, "this is water under the bridge."
#8) This is a self-defeating argument. If you want to keep people from voting for Democrats, then this is the right strategy.
The question is: what does the DNC actually do, and can it, even if it wanted to, rig 50+ primaries for any given candidate?
— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) November 3, 2017
#9) So if the entire primary wasn't rigged then it doesn't matter? That's like saying, "What are you complaining about? The cards I dealt you from the bottom of the deck are almost as good."
Clinton camp responds: "troubling and puzzling [Brazile] would seemingly buy into false Russian-fueled propaganda" https://t.co/14b9uuE0Gb
— Monica Alba (@albamonica) November 4, 2017
#10) Really? Putin?
Please note that this is only a partial list.
Please add to the list in comments.
I have an article right here from @thenation that says you're a conspiracy theorist. https://t.co/v5SBx0mRT9
— David Bernheart (@David_Bernheart) October 25, 2017
Comments
When will the Justice Dems join the Green Party?
Seriously. The Democratic Party is actively fucking them in every way possible and yet they keep running with them anyway. As for me, I'm actually considering volunteering with their disability caucus.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
@The Aspie Corner With the Democratic Party
With the Democratic Party's or the Justice Democrats'?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Maybe when the Green Party comes with some
serious candidates, responsible people with solid records of achievement. They should be talking to Donna Edwards, to start with.
Mary Bennett
The poor Green Party --
runs what if we were being honest would be "independent candidacies." The party does not support them financially. They have a bureaucracy because they have to have one, because someone has to speak for the Green Party. Their meetings suck. Their internal process is not really democratic.
All of that is outweighed by the fact that they are not Democrats, and that is why I remain a Green.
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
The Greens are pathetic. n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
@Wink But that's still
But that's still better than being mass murderers.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
They're better than Democrats.
And it's not terribly important to declaim a tiny party when there are sizeable numbers of people in America whose great political adventure is to proclaim an impending takeover of the Democratic Party when all they're really doing is legitimizing the Democrats. Bernie Sanders? Last I heard he was head of Outreach.
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
In the mid 1990s I joined the Socialist Party
just to irritate the heck out of my Republican in-laws. I did register as a Democrat to vote for Obama and of course, Bernie Sanders. I had enough after the primaries and left the Dems again, though I did vote for Hillary (because, as the Portland Mercury wrote, "Are you f#$&ing kidding me?"). But I just can't stomach the whole "We don't want to cut Social Security quite so much" Republican-lite crap.
And already, the Dems play to circle the jackwagons rather than actually win some elections.
It is a lot easier to take over an existing party
than to form a new one from scratch. I keep reminding the naysayers on DailyKos that it's Justice DEMOCRATS and not Justice Republican-Lite.
I would like to see a viable third party and we may just get one by default as establishment Dems continue their purge in order to cling to their corporate cash. It would have to come from the ground up (like Kshama Sawant in Seattle) but who knows--millennials don't have any party that cares about them, and it would become the worst missed opportunity to see them get vacuumed up by Libertarian pied pipers.
Upper Middle-class white millennials already do.
Upper middle-class white millennials already buy into Libertarian bullshit and have done so for quite some time even when they've seen that the world doesn't operate the way their ideology says it does.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
It was Putin!
Something to keep in mind
link
Even more to come not just one bomb shell.
I am thinking the fall out may be much more. Brazile talks about being treated like a slave and with no respect by Clinton campaign higher ups. The utter incompetent arrogance of the Clinton team. She seems to be raising issues of age, gender, and race--ignoring minorities.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/brazile-i-considered-replacing-c...
Brazile is in cover her ass mode.
She's pretty slimy.
That said, I've often wondered why more of Hillary's minions haven't turned on her, considering the rumors that abound regarding her abuse of people surrounding her. Brazile was definitely abused - recall the stories about Hillary's rage when Matt Lauer went off script and asked Hill a squirm-worthy question? Her screaming at Brazile as soon as she got off camera was legendary.
Brazile has lied so much and so often, nothing she says or writes can be trusted. She's willing to kowtow when it works for her, so this new tell-all tells me she feels an urgent need to distance herself from Hillary. What she knows, I don't know. But I suspect she knows more than she is telling.
Oh and I forgot to mention
Brazile is still full-on with Russia-gate. She was one of the first to push that BS. So why turn on Clinton and not recant the Russia thing? Something's amiss.
yep, Russia-gate came
from somewhere - and that somewhere likely is the DNC (run by Hillary).
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Kill the messenger, accuse the other of doing what you did
that's all the D's and hillbots have left, let
them slide into the cesspool of BS that they spew.
Joy Reid: GOP In
Bizarre MirrorUniverse Where Clinton Is Guilty, Trump Is BlamelessThere fixed it for you Joy, to which facts don't matter
since her job depends on it.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Neither Billary nor Dipshit are blameless here.
Dipshit was a willing accomplice.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Hillary: "Baseball Been Berry, Berry Good to Me!"
After all, Chico Escuela played for the Chicago Cubs - Hillary's favorite professional baseball team.
A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma
Perfect.
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Great cartoon.
bing! n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
You mean like the Wyoming caucus
Where Bernie won 55.7% to 44.3% but received 7 delegates to Hillary's 11?
Result?
Scott Wooledge Retweeted
Surprised to see this:
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
And now they're doubling down.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_sDlw8MQy4]
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGZuNw8leFk]
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Access to VAN drama
if the "justice democrats" are actually interested in winning fair elections, they should build an open voter database from scratch, not buy and feed in to some proprietary bankrupt piece of shit. Do something for REAL, don't just sit there and talk about "access". Make it so.
NGP-VAN is stuffed full of garbage, and still makes tons of money for the elite D crew. Putting Justice in a name doesn't make it so. What do they aspire to, full VAN access? Baby Ds are almost worse than their corporate parents. Calling yourself a "progressive" is not progress in my view. Building an open voter database might be.
good luck
@divineorder What I want to know is:
What I want to know is: why are Brazile and Warren jumping ship? They couldn't kiss her ass enough last year.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Rats are jumping the sinking ship
The establishment has been de-legitimized from losing, weakened by a progressive insurgency, and now threatened by scandal.
DB is said to be walking back, will Warren also?
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
It's in her book
It's in her book, so I'm wondering how she can "walk it back"?
Maybe by using the gaslighting technique so popular with the Dem establishment? "I used those words, but that's not really what I meant. You must have misunderstood what I said." Then deflect to another subject, often having to do with identity politics or Trump. From what I've seen, Brazile seems to be good at that.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
Yes, exactly that. Here she is, walking it back
Brazile denies Democratic primary was rigged
She didn't say "rigged" in her book, see. She only said the primary process wasn't fair. Oh, and that the party's integrity was compromised. From the book:
Ok, so the primary was not fair, and the party lacks integrity, because they gave Clinton control over the DNC a year before she was nominated. But that doesn't mean the nomination was rigged or fixed for HRC. (Got it. Right, Donna. This song and dance looks very silly.)
I don't get why she'd go this far, then start playing hair-splitting word games... oh no, I didn't say rigged.
What's the point? More and more it looks like she just wants her 15 minutes, and to sell some books. Sounds to me like she felt personally slighted by HRC, not to mention insulted on more than one occasion, so a little revenge for profit suits her now. Why back off certain words? I dunno. Seems cowardly to me.
Well the Clintonites are calling her a Putin stooge
today. If Donna Brazile is a Russian plant than anyone can be one.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Until Brazile came out . . .
Warren couldn't call the primary process rigged until Bernie did. He didn't.
Being the only female senator who didn't endorse her before the first primary and the 2nd to last Democratic Senator to endorse her period is an odd definition of kissing ass.
Bernie DID say something was up
That's when the Richard heads at dkos called him an antisemite - because he called out DWS when he did it.
You may be able to find
one of the Youtube videos where Debbie the Sane Progressive goes over her efforts to get Bernie to address the problem. Bernie's response to the DNC favoritism was nearly as pathetic as his abandoning his supporters at the convention. He wouldn't even insist that Nina Turner be allowed to give a speech.
Ted Cruz called Trump a pathological liar and he was given time at the Republican Convention to encourage attendees and viewers to vote their conscience.
@FuturePassed She went on Rachel
She went on Rachel Maddow's show and practically gushed about how great Hillary was.
It looked like ass-kissing to me.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
OK. This is weird
So, only three news stories about the dnc?
And in related news.
That one's easy
all the other stories are being censored as Fake News.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Something's strange.
I just tested and got about the number of results I expected. Use "all these words" rather than "this exact word or phrase".
That first tweet must be a parody account
Though I could be wrong. Hillary as Jesus? Bernie as Judas? I smell snark.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Are you certain?
I feel sad
for the Onion.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Makes me glad I'm not on Twitter anymore.
As far as rigging an election and not winning is concerned--that only works if you're competing with an honest opponent. When she competed with an honest opponent--Sanders--she did win. When she competed with another lying, cheating bastard, she lost.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I think differently
When they were playing under her rules,and she decided who could vote or not. She won. When the rules were "fair" she had no chance.
On to Biden since 1973
@doh1304 I believe she, or
I believe she, or people working for her, were perfectly willing to run a Bush-style election fraud scam if necessary to put her in office. I think countermeasures were taken by the Trump side, in the form of hacking of their own. I don't know whether this was done by people paid by Trump or by indies who hated Clinton, but this is my best guess of what happened.
That's why she was so sure she was going to win despite the numbers.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Well, if The Nation says so, it must be true.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I am not sure Putin has won with some of those percentages.
Clinton won her home state with 16%. Her home state and she wins other states with even larger margins? Hillary and Obama have killed off the soul of the democratic party.
@MrWebster And don't forget they
And don't forget they had to cheat to win her home state. Hundreds of thousand of names were removed from the electoral register before the primary.
It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back. Carl Sagan
In Brooklyn! Where Her's HQ was.
And it was apparently 200,000.
But nothing fishy. Not at all. Ugh. :/
Edit: according to CStMS, below, it was only 129k voters purged.
One of the reasons I don't wade into this more than I do...
The allegations only scratch the surface of what she actually did. People can refer to the Election Justice USA report, here for a more complete list:
http://www.bradblog.com/Docs/Democracy_Lost_Update1_EJUSA_080216.pdf
It started with the money laundering, went through that damned coin toss and the bullshit at the Nevada caucus, and ended with not only 129,000 Brooklynites purged off the voter rolls, but with voter registration data being illegally altered (something almost no one talks about).
Should I also mention the execrably-named "granny farming?"
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
What is "granny farming"?
I have not seen or heard that term before.
Thanks, chica.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Nursing home voting scam
That's when the Hillary people and/or local Democratic party representatives went to senior living/care facilities and had the residents sign absentee ballots and caucus proxies that were already marked for Hillary.
During the primary, we saw numerous situations where the precinct caucuses were going heavily for Bernie, and someone would come in and plunk down a big pile of proxies, all for Hillary. Many were from senior facilities.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
@Centaurea That's it.
That's it.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
This is bigger than just
the Democratic party or even the Presidential election.
What happened in 2016 was the final destruction of any semblance of a democratic process in our elections system. The big loser was not Bernie Sanders nor even his supporters. The big losers were the American people who saw the final and complete takeover of our election system by corruption. And the one last bastion against this should have been the press, but they are also captured by corruption.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
And thanks to said corruption...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFCTMg6-QYM]
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
On The Go
Too busy to do much but lurk lately, but just five minutes in to it, I had to drop in and say this video rocks! Never ran across Prager before. Thanks Aspie Corner.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
Watched it, Aspie
I actually shared it in a group convo with a few of my people. Haven't heard back.
I can agree with some, and disagree with some, but Damn! (Wish he'd read less, and speak more, but damn!)
He's a bit too much like dkos for my taste when it came to Rs and Ds, and his letting Her off the hook so easily, but the other stuff was BAM!
I agree with this.
That said, he's still a decent guy in my book.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Very interesting video!
I hate it that Texas was used as the exemplar of much that plagues us, but when the shoe fits...
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
You're right. And now dhs is in charge of elections
this should make them fair, right?
Exactly why would a country's department of homeland security need to be in charge of anything besides homeland security?
How about the election boards take over them?
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
Did Martin O'Malley
have a similar, written agreement with the DNC?
Just wondering...
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Whatever happened to that guy anyway?
I mean, it was pretty obvious he wasn’t a real candidate, but has anyone seen or heard from him since he bowed out of the primary?
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Re-read Daou's tweet
Peter Daou asks if anyone can say exactly what the DNC that caused Hillary to win the election?
Isn't this what we have been asking about Russia? Even if Russia did place some ads on Facebook telling people where to meet up to protest against police brutality or the other ads about social media big deal.
Not one person has said that Russia changed any votes. They used to say that Russia hacked 21 states voting rolls, or something like that, but inside of the article it says Russia attempted to hack....
I haven't seen those types of articles for 6 months or more.
If one story doesn't stick, then move on to a new one.
Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?
@snoopydawg That's the first thing I
That's the first thing I thought of too.
Semper ubi sub ubi
This story of the rigging
... has anyone compiled the accounts of shady stuff in primaries. I seem to remember Nevada was hotly disputed. Then there was the goings-on around the convention itself.
This rigging likely had results: what was Her paying for otherwise?
Orwell: Where's the omelette?
Compiled accounts of shady primary stuff
Here's a tube link to one compilation, 1h45m13s.
Stolen Democracy: How the Democratic Party Lost the Election and Lost its Soul
etc.
Armando has a sad and shows his true colors.
Ugh, I can't stand that shill!
He's repulsive, but I've said it before. Just, gross.
Wouldn't it be apropos to find out he's really a Kos sock? I know people have supposedly met "him" but, Little Napoleon lives in Cali. Just sayin'.
Armando? I've met him.
Live in person, one foot away, have shaken hands. WYSIWYG.
Markos? Have met him too. kinda. said hello, nodded.
Armand would still know me if he saw me, and I him.
Markos not so much.
One of the few benefits of Netroots Nation is pressing the flesh.
Joan McCarter (mcjoan), KagroX (David Waldman), Sam Seder, a few others.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Did he appear mentally stable, Wink?
Just curious.
I met some folks at the frozen Texas Meet Up. Navajo was very nice, and strikingly pretty. Egberto was very nice, and as much as people don't like him, so was Chris Reeves. Meteor Blades was cool too. Nominates and Bastrop were both awesome. DOV was her narcissistic self.
None seem off the rails, like him. The only one close to his hostility would be DOV, and she didn't display it in person. Cussed a lot, but so do I.
Edit: corrected Navajo from someone I've never met, but who is likely also lovely.
Yes, I have met
all of them as well. I would marry navajo 'cept I believe she is. Very gracious lady. Egberto is a great guy and has a great radio show. Chris Reeves is a great guy, is one of the hardest working people in the party, if not THE hardest working, and appears weekly (Tuesdays at 11:35am ET) on our radio show. Have no idea why he's unliked - I have spent some time with him over a beer or three and he's a guy you'd like to share a beer with. Egberto the same way. MB is also more approachable than one might think given the "status" he's earned. Great guy, as expected. Saw him once picking some trash off the floor and throw it in a trash bin. Wow, I thought to myself, the great MB picking up trash! DOV is DOV. You pretty much nailed it. Still thinks it's the '50s, wears her "I hate racists!" on her sleeve. Other than that, which she hints at almost every minute, she's a very interesting lady, has led an interesting life. Armando? Armando is all about Armando.
And, let me be clear. I'm nobody special, nor do I consider myself anyone special. It's just that I had the opportunity to set up "Daily Kos Radio" with KagroX (David Waldman) at NN12 in Providence RI, and from there (and since, at other NN Events) I've bumped into these people. I asked Chris Reeves if he wanted to be "on the radio" now and then and that turned into a weekly show. So, I'm mostly blessed in that regard. But, it's been nice to meet some of the FPers in the flesh so to speak. Sadly that place has taken the wrong fork in the road, in my opinion, but it's still nice to bump into Egberto, navajo, Smiley Creek, Chris Reeves and a few others at NN now and then. Sure, NN has crashed and burned as any sort of progressive pow wow thingy, but it still is a great place to meet some of the people you read and listen to - Sam Seder, TYT, Driftglass and blue gal, me (jk) - becuz every one of them will at least say hello.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
I have never met any of them
but always thought navajo had a good heart. I always liked Egberto in particular, but wondered what he was doing associated with dkos.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Ha! I read him on
dKos (as I do many of the other FPers there) and also wonder what he's doing there. But, I guess we could say that about many of them. Hey, a paid gig is a paid gig... and they're not all that easy to find. Egberto was a Bernie supporter and believe he still is. I believe MB was too. Maybe more FPers. Markos bojo'd many of us Berners and some of us ended up here. He kept his writers though.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Cannot agree about navajo
She has a vicious streak and carries a grudge past the end of the world. Say one thing she takes offense at - once - and she will never, ever forgive, and will hound you through any and all other threads looking for more Injustice to collect and trash you about.
Identity Politicians and Injustice Collectors, the lot of them.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
What is he blathering about?
He might think he has a point in there somewhere but he comes off as a blathering rottweiler having just rolled in a dead skunk. At least Kos has lucid moments.
Wonder what his GOOD friend Denise thinks about that
not really, just pointing and laughing. Meanness begets meanness.
Sometimes when an asshole says "full disclosure" I bookmark it for future reference. From a diary titled "Is Sanders "courting" Racists and Nazis? Hell no!":
Jeopardy theme over there ...
No wonder breitbart is more popular, at least the vile comments load.
@eyo I could not believe
I could not believe the crap I was reading in that diary by DOV and the comments were just horrific. I think it was then that I really started to get a clue about how identity politics was being used as a tool for control as opposed to actual social justice. I still feel sick to my stomach thinking about it.
Basic principles.
The real principle involved here is not whether this affected the primary result, it's that the DNC was (and probably still is) OK with letting candidates bail them out, (from a party bankrupted by Obama, an establishment actor), then dictate DNC policies, staff, messaging, strategy etc., to prevent any antiestablishment candidate(s) from having any chance whatsoever.
Whether it affected the primary outcome should not even be a point of debate. The principle is whether or not cheating is OK.
The did-or-did-not-affect-the-outcome argument is a diversion from the real principle.
Mike Taylor
It’s like having a judicial system where
it’s considered O.K. for prosecutor and police to lie, fabricate evidence, or even torture the defendant, unless counsel for the defendant can prove conclusively that the accused would have been acquitted without such poisoning of the process.
Of course, replace “unless” with “even if” in the above, and many people might consider that a valid description of the justice system we actually have.
Kind of like Her Wall Street speeches.
The Hillbots turned it into a game of “you can’t prove any influence there”, as if we should believe all that money was given just to be nice and that Her was somehow above such influence anyway. I always felt the real issue was should someone with obvious presidential aspirations be taking the money in the first place. I’m guessing if Her ran as a Republican, the Hillbots would feel differently about that one and this one as well.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Agree. n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Not sure who the Krieger dude is,
but he must not watch or listen to CNN very often. Since this story broke, they've aired numerous segments (daily) about Brazile's revelations. Of course, most of the discussion is somewhat dismissive of this kerfuffle--from both the Clinton and Sanders surrogates. The Dems (that I've heard) all agree on the need to unify, and move on. IOW, defeating DT in 2018 is their only imperative right now. It seems that none of them are in the mood for an intra-party cat fight.
(Thus far, I've heard interviews with Jeff Weaver, Symone Sanders, Nina Turner, Hillary Rosen, Senator Warren, and several so-called Dem strategists whose names I didn't even recognize.)
For the record, Symone Sanders repeatedly says, as she did in the article below, that “No One Stole the Election From Us.”
Just to be clear, I'm relaying what I'm hearing. It's not my opinion--it's what's being said by Dem Party shills/faithful on one Cable Channel (CNN). But, I do think that context is important--which appears to be missing from some of the Tweets that I've seen regarding Warren's interview with Jake Tapper. I'll find and post the transcript when we get back.
Warren's concern was that the Party would 'be held accountable' (whatever that means), and that Tom Perez would be capable of convincing Bernie, his representatives, and his supporters that the Dem Party primary system 'is fair.'
Mollie
"The standard of living of the average American has to decline. I don't think you can escape that."
--Paul Volcker, The New York Times, October 18, 1979, Page 1.
“If we can divide the electorate this way, we can have them expending their energies fighting amongst themselves, over issues that for us, have no meaning whatsoever."
--USA Bankers Magazine, August 25, 1924
"Every time I lose a dog, he takes a piece of my heart. Every new dog gifts me with a piece of his. Someday, my heart will be total dog, and maybe then I will be just as generous, loving, and forgiving."
--Author Unknown
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
If Hillary is the modern day jesus
I can't wait for the crucifixion!
If you don't know what you want, you deserve what you get.
Thanks M, look forward to reading
That transcript.
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Bernie would have won.
And mopped the floor with Trump, I believe it very much, all things being equal/not rigged. It didn't just hurt us, it robbed us of a future.
This shit is bananas.
Woah, was reading this in the
Woah, was reading this in the OP:
When it suddenly vanished and a notice appeared saying 'Whoops, something went wrong'.
How useful is Twitter, under these conditions?
Edit: and just after posting this, when I went to check on a music video which (as seems usual these days) wasn't loading, noticed this down the side:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX8Y2dN_nh4
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.