Partial list of pathetic Hillarybot excuses for DNC corruption

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#1) Let's get one thing out of the way right now:
The primary was rigged against more than Bernie. Even if you hate Bernie so much that you won't even concede obvious facts, rigging a primary hurts all the candidates AND the voters.

Could Bernie Sanders have won a primary that wasn't 'rigged'? Um.

Right now the question is whether the Clinton campaign's dominance over the DNC (which was alleged at the time, too) helped her win and whether, without it, Sanders would have been the one on the ballot against Trump in November.
The numbers would suggest the answer is still no.

This is a moronic rationalization in more than one way.

#2a) How can anyone say with a straight face what an unrigged race would look like?
#2b) This has got to be the most unethical defense of corruption a person can make.

#3) This is just bizarre. I have no words.

Donna Brazile Sells Out, A Sad Way To End A Career
Her new book will only hurt the party she claims to love.

#4) If this looks familiar, it is. We saw this "kill the messenger" tactic from establishment Dems when Edward Snowden revealed that we were all being illegally spied on.

Brazile is too smart not to know releasing her book now wasn’t going to be used by Republicans to block out everything wrong they are doing from tax cuts for the rich to covering up the disgusting behavior of Trump and his campaign.

#5) Trump and Republican corruption are disgusting, but so is DNC corruption. At some point "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

The DNC, which Brazile claims rigged the primary for Clinton, was the organization saying to states it was OK for Sanders to run in their primaries even though he was not a Democrat. Sanders himself said were he not allowed into the Democratic Primary he couldn’t have run.

#6) See response #1. Plus, who gives a sh*t?

Both campaigns signed agreements with the DNC to raise money.

#7) About those signed agreements.

Meanwhile...

A joint fundraising agreement between the Bernie Sanders campaign and the Democratic National Committee -- obtained Friday by ABC News and signed at the start of the primary campaign for the 2016 presidential election -- does not include any language about coordinating on strategic decisions over hiring or budget, unlike a fundraising memo between the Hillary Clinton team and the DNC.
Former Sanders staff members argue that the Sanders-DNC agreement refutes the claim by the DNC that the two campaigns were offered similar treatment by the party. What's more, the Sanders team posits that the joint fundraising agreement they signed with the party was never acted on.

Clinton Campaign Manager Robbie Mook Denies DNC Rigged 2016 Primary: "Politics Is Politics"

However, responding to Sanders campaign adviser Jeff Weaver's complaint that it was "pretty clear" the DNC was on the Clinton side, Mook said "politics is politics."
On interim DNC chairwoman Donna Brazile's claim that after review the DNC did in fact rig the primary in favor of Clinton he said, "this is water under the bridge."

#8) This is a self-defeating argument. If you want to keep people from voting for Democrats, then this is the right strategy.

#9) So if the entire primary wasn't rigged then it doesn't matter? That's like saying, "What are you complaining about? The cards I dealt you from the bottom of the deck are almost as good."

#10) Really? Putin?

Please note that this is only a partial list.
Please add to the list in comments.

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The Aspie Corner's picture

Seriously. The Democratic Party is actively fucking them in every way possible and yet they keep running with them anyway. As for me, I'm actually considering volunteering with their disability caucus.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

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@The Aspie Corner With the Democratic Party's or the Justice Democrats'?

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@The Aspie Corner serious candidates, responsible people with solid records of achievement. They should be talking to Donna Edwards, to start with.

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@Nastarana runs what if we were being honest would be "independent candidacies." The party does not support them financially. They have a bureaucracy because they have to have one, because someone has to speak for the Green Party. Their meetings suck. Their internal process is not really democratic.

All of that is outweighed by the fact that they are not Democrats, and that is why I remain a Green.

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@Cassiodorus

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@Wink But that's still better than being mass murderers.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Wink @Wink And it's not terribly important to declaim a tiny party when there are sizeable numbers of people in America whose great political adventure is to proclaim an impending takeover of the Democratic Party when all they're really doing is legitimizing the Democrats. Bernie Sanders? Last I heard he was head of Outreach.

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"The war on Gaza, backed by the West, is a demonstration that the West is willing to cross all lines. That it will discard any nuance of humanity. That it is willing to commit genocide" -- Moon of Alabama

@Cassiodorus just to irritate the heck out of my Republican in-laws. I did register as a Democrat to vote for Obama and of course, Bernie Sanders. I had enough after the primaries and left the Dems again, though I did vote for Hillary (because, as the Portland Mercury wrote, "Are you f#$&ing kidding me?"). But I just can't stomach the whole "We don't want to cut Social Security quite so much" Republican-lite crap.

And already, the Dems play to circle the jackwagons rather than actually win some elections.

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@The Aspie Corner than to form a new one from scratch. I keep reminding the naysayers on DailyKos that it's Justice DEMOCRATS and not Justice Republican-Lite.

I would like to see a viable third party and we may just get one by default as establishment Dems continue their purge in order to cling to their corporate cash. It would have to come from the ground up (like Kshama Sawant in Seattle) but who knows--millennials don't have any party that cares about them, and it would become the worst missed opportunity to see them get vacuumed up by Libertarian pied pipers.

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It would have to come from the ground up (like Kshama Sawant in Seattle) but who knows--millennials don't have any party that cares about them, and it would become the worst missed opportunity to see them get vacuumed up by Libertarian pied pipers.

Upper middle-class white millennials already buy into Libertarian bullshit and have done so for quite some time even when they've seen that the world doesn't operate the way their ideology says it does.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

@The Aspie Corner

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But unlike the Hollywood scandal, Brazile's allegations have not been extensively covered by mainstream media outlets. Quite the opposite. "That's how you know when something's big," said Krieger "When I see MSNBC or CNN or the New York Times ignoring a story that anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see the gigantic political implications of… that is such a sign that we're winning. That is such a sign that the status quo has no confidence, that they're terrified, that they're weak."
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@gjohnsit I am thinking the fall out may be much more. Brazile talks about being treated like a slave and with no respect by Clinton campaign higher ups. The utter incompetent arrogance of the Clinton team. She seems to be raising issues of age, gender, and race--ignoring minorities.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/brazile-i-considered-replacing-c...

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@gjohnsit
She's pretty slimy.

That said, I've often wondered why more of Hillary's minions haven't turned on her, considering the rumors that abound regarding her abuse of people surrounding her. Brazile was definitely abused - recall the stories about Hillary's rage when Matt Lauer went off script and asked Hill a squirm-worthy question? Her screaming at Brazile as soon as she got off camera was legendary.

Brazile has lied so much and so often, nothing she says or writes can be trusted. She's willing to kowtow when it works for her, so this new tell-all tells me she feels an urgent need to distance herself from Hillary. What she knows, I don't know. But I suspect she knows more than she is telling.

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@gjohnsit
Brazile is still full-on with Russia-gate. She was one of the first to push that BS. So why turn on Clinton and not recant the Russia thing? Something's amiss.

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@gustogirl
from somewhere - and that somewhere likely is the DNC (run by Hillary).

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that's all the D's and hillbots have left, let
them slide into the cesspool of BS that they spew.

Joy Reid: GOP In Bizarre Mirror Universe Where Clinton Is Guilty, Trump Is Blameless

There fixed it for you Joy, to which facts don't matter
since her job depends on it.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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@ggersh Dipshit was a willing accomplice.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

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After all, Chico Escuela played for the Chicago Cubs - Hillary's favorite professional baseball team.

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A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma

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@JekyllnHyde

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

@JekyllnHyde

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@JekyllnHyde Where Bernie won 55.7% to 44.3% but received 7 delegates to Hillary's 11?

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Surprised to see this:

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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@divineorder [video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_sDlw8MQy4]

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGZuNw8leFk]

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

@The Aspie Corner if the "justice democrats" are actually interested in winning fair elections, they should build an open voter database from scratch, not buy and feed in to some proprietary bankrupt piece of shit. Do something for REAL, don't just sit there and talk about "access". Make it so.

NGP-VAN is stuffed full of garbage, and still makes tons of money for the elite D crew. Putting Justice in a name doesn't make it so. What do they aspire to, full VAN access? Baby Ds are almost worse than their corporate parents. Calling yourself a "progressive" is not progress in my view. Building an open voter database might be.

good luck

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@divineorder What I want to know is: why are Brazile and Warren jumping ship? They couldn't kiss her ass enough last year.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
The establishment has been de-legitimized from losing, weakened by a progressive insurgency, and now threatened by scandal.

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@gjohnsit

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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@divineorder It's in her book, so I'm wondering how she can "walk it back"?

Maybe by using the gaslighting technique so popular with the Dem establishment? "I used those words, but that's not really what I meant. You must have misunderstood what I said." Then deflect to another subject, often having to do with identity politics or Trump. From what I've seen, Brazile seems to be good at that.

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@Centaurea

Brazile denies Democratic primary was rigged

Former Democratic National Committee (DNC) interim chairwoman Donna Brazile said she found “no evidence” that the 2016 Democratic presidential primary process was fixed, taking issue with the use of the word "rigged" by others.

“I found no evidence, none, whatsoever,” Brazile told ABC’s “This Week.”

“The only thing I found, which I said, I found the cancer, but I’m not killing the patient, was this memorandum that prevented the DNC from running its own operation," she said.

She didn't say "rigged" in her book, see. She only said the primary process wasn't fair. Oh, and that the party's integrity was compromised. From the book:

"If the fight had been fair, one campaign would not have control of the party before the voters had decided which one they wanted to lead. This was not a criminal act, but as I saw it, it compromised the party’s integrity," she wrote.

Ok, so the primary was not fair, and the party lacks integrity, because they gave Clinton control over the DNC a year before she was nominated. But that doesn't mean the nomination was rigged or fixed for HRC. (Got it. Right, Donna. This song and dance looks very silly.)

I don't get why she'd go this far, then start playing hair-splitting word games... oh no, I didn't say rigged.

What's the point? More and more it looks like she just wants her 15 minutes, and to sell some books. Sounds to me like she felt personally slighted by HRC, not to mention insulted on more than one occasion, so a little revenge for profit suits her now. Why back off certain words? I dunno. Seems cowardly to me.

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@CS in AZ today. If Donna Brazile is a Russian plant than anyone can be one.

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"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
Warren couldn't call the primary process rigged until Bernie did. He didn't.

Being the only female senator who didn't endorse her before the first primary and the 2nd to last Democratic Senator to endorse her period is an odd definition of kissing ass.

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@FuturePassed
That's when the Richard heads at dkos called him an antisemite - because he called out DWS when he did it.

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@Deja
one of the Youtube videos where Debbie the Sane Progressive goes over her efforts to get Bernie to address the problem. Bernie's response to the DNC favoritism was nearly as pathetic as his abandoning his supporters at the convention. He wouldn't even insist that Nina Turner be allowed to give a speech.

Ted Cruz called Trump a pathological liar and he was given time at the Republican Convention to encourage attendees and viewers to vote their conscience.

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@FuturePassed She went on Rachel Maddow's show and practically gushed about how great Hillary was.
It looked like ass-kissing to me.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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So, only three news stories about the dnc?

And in related news.

Twitter admittedly censored large amounts of information referencing Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and leaked emails from the Democratic National Committee (“DNC”) published prior to the 2016 presidential election.

In prepared testimony before the Senate Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism delivered on October 31, Twitter’s acting general counsel Sean J. Edgett acknowledged this large scale effort to hide political information by noting, “Before the election, we…took action on activity relating to hashtags that have since been reported as manifestations of efforts to interfere with the 2016 election.”

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@gjohnsit
all the other stories are being censored as Fake News.

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@gjohnsit
I just tested and got about the number of results I expected. Use "all these words" rather than "this exact word or phrase".

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Though I could be wrong. Hillary as Jesus? Bernie as Judas? I smell snark.

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@gjohnsit for the Onion.

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As far as rigging an election and not winning is concerned--that only works if you're competing with an honest opponent. When she competed with an honest opponent--Sanders--she did win. When she competed with another lying, cheating bastard, she lost.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
When they were playing under her rules,and she decided who could vote or not. She won. When the rules were "fair" she had no chance.

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On to Biden since 1973

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@doh1304 I believe she, or people working for her, were perfectly willing to run a Bush-style election fraud scam if necessary to put her in office. I think countermeasures were taken by the Trump side, in the form of hacking of their own. I don't know whether this was done by people paid by Trump or by indies who hated Clinton, but this is my best guess of what happened.

That's why she was so sure she was going to win despite the numbers.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Clinton won her home state with 16%. Her home state and she wins other states with even larger margins? Hillary and Obama have killed off the soul of the democratic party.

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@MrWebster And don't forget they had to cheat to win her home state. Hundreds of thousand of names were removed from the electoral register before the primary.

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And it was apparently 200,000.

But nothing fishy. Not at all. Ugh. :/

Edit: according to CStMS, below, it was only 129k voters purged.

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The allegations only scratch the surface of what she actually did. People can refer to the Election Justice USA report, here for a more complete list:

http://www.bradblog.com/Docs/Democracy_Lost_Update1_EJUSA_080216.pdf

It started with the money laundering, went through that damned coin toss and the bullshit at the Nevada caucus, and ended with not only 129,000 Brooklynites purged off the voter rolls, but with voter registration data being illegally altered (something almost no one talks about).

Should I also mention the execrably-named "granny farming?"

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal I have not seen or heard that term before.
Thanks, chica.

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@on the cusp That's when the Hillary people and/or local Democratic party representatives went to senior living/care facilities and had the residents sign absentee ballots and caucus proxies that were already marked for Hillary.

During the primary, we saw numerous situations where the precinct caucuses were going heavily for Bernie, and someone would come in and plunk down a big pile of proxies, all for Hillary. Many were from senior facilities.

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@Centaurea That's it.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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the Democratic party or even the Presidential election.

What happened in 2016 was the final destruction of any semblance of a democratic process in our elections system. The big loser was not Bernie Sanders nor even his supporters. The big losers were the American people who saw the final and complete takeover of our election system by corruption. And the one last bastion against this should have been the press, but they are also captured by corruption.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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@gulfgal98 [video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFCTMg6-QYM]

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

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@The Aspie Corner
Too busy to do much but lurk lately, but just five minutes in to it, I had to drop in and say this video rocks! Never ran across Prager before. Thanks Aspie Corner.

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@The Aspie Corner
I actually shared it in a group convo with a few of my people. Haven't heard back.

I can agree with some, and disagree with some, but Damn! (Wish he'd read less, and speak more, but damn!)

He's a bit too much like dkos for my taste when it came to Rs and Ds, and his letting Her off the hook so easily, but the other stuff was BAM!

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@Deja

He's a bit too much like dkos for my taste when it came to Rs and Ds, and his letting Her off the hook so easily, but the other stuff was BAM!

That said, he's still a decent guy in my book.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

@The Aspie Corner I hate it that Texas was used as the exemplar of much that plagues us, but when the shoe fits...

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@gulfgal98

this should make them fair, right?
Exactly why would a country's department of homeland security need to be in charge of anything besides homeland security?
How about the election boards take over them?

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

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have a similar, written agreement with the DNC?

Just wondering...

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

@Bollox Ref I mean, it was pretty obvious he wasn’t a real candidate, but has anyone seen or heard from him since he bowed out of the primary?

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Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.

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Peter Daou asks if anyone can say exactly what the DNC that caused Hillary to win the election?

Isn't this what we have been asking about Russia? Even if Russia did place some ads on Facebook telling people where to meet up to protest against police brutality or the other ads about social media big deal.
Not one person has said that Russia changed any votes. They used to say that Russia hacked 21 states voting rolls, or something like that, but inside of the article it says Russia attempted to hack....
I haven't seen those types of articles for 6 months or more.

If one story doesn't stick, then move on to a new one.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

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@snoopydawg That's the first thing I thought of too.

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Semper ubi sub ubi

... has anyone compiled the accounts of shady stuff in primaries. I seem to remember Nevada was hotly disputed. Then there was the goings-on around the convention itself.
This rigging likely had results: what was Her paying for otherwise?

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Orwell: Where's the omelette?

@jim p Here's a tube link to one compilation, 1h45m13s.
Stolen Democracy: How the Democratic Party Lost the Election and Lost its Soul

Published on May 22, 2017
What REALLY Happened: A citizen journalism public service documentary film showing the terrible corruption that happens when big money lobbyists hijack a political party.
Starring many who spoke truth in the midst of obfuscations:

Cenk Uygur
“The Young Turks”
Mike Figueredo
“The Humanist Report”
Debbie Lusignan
“Sane Progressive”
Bill Moyers
“Moyers and Company”
Amy Goodman
"Democracy Now"
Thom Hartmann
“The Thom Hartmann Show”
...

etc.

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@Chaddiwicker
He's repulsive, but I've said it before. Just, gross.

Wouldn't it be apropos to find out he's really a Kos sock? I know people have supposedly met "him" but, Little Napoleon lives in Cali. Just sayin'.

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@Deja
Live in person, one foot away, have shaken hands. WYSIWYG.
Markos? Have met him too. kinda. said hello, nodded.
Armand would still know me if he saw me, and I him.
Markos not so much.
One of the few benefits of Netroots Nation is pressing the flesh.
Joan McCarter (mcjoan), KagroX (David Waldman), Sam Seder, a few others.

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@Wink @Wink
Just curious.

I met some folks at the frozen Texas Meet Up. Navajo was very nice, and strikingly pretty. Egberto was very nice, and as much as people don't like him, so was Chris Reeves. Meteor Blades was cool too. Nominates and Bastrop were both awesome. DOV was her narcissistic self.

None seem off the rails, like him. The only one close to his hostility would be DOV, and she didn't display it in person. Cussed a lot, but so do I.

Edit: corrected Navajo from someone I've never met, but who is likely also lovely.

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@Deja
all of them as well. I would marry navajo 'cept I believe she is. Very gracious lady. Egberto is a great guy and has a great radio show. Chris Reeves is a great guy, is one of the hardest working people in the party, if not THE hardest working, and appears weekly (Tuesdays at 11:35am ET) on our radio show. Have no idea why he's unliked - I have spent some time with him over a beer or three and he's a guy you'd like to share a beer with. Egberto the same way. MB is also more approachable than one might think given the "status" he's earned. Great guy, as expected. Saw him once picking some trash off the floor and throw it in a trash bin. Wow, I thought to myself, the great MB picking up trash! DOV is DOV. You pretty much nailed it. Still thinks it's the '50s, wears her "I hate racists!" on her sleeve. Other than that, which she hints at almost every minute, she's a very interesting lady, has led an interesting life. Armando? Armando is all about Armando.
And, let me be clear. I'm nobody special, nor do I consider myself anyone special. It's just that I had the opportunity to set up "Daily Kos Radio" with KagroX (David Waldman) at NN12 in Providence RI, and from there (and since, at other NN Events) I've bumped into these people. I asked Chris Reeves if he wanted to be "on the radio" now and then and that turned into a weekly show. So, I'm mostly blessed in that regard. But, it's been nice to meet some of the FPers in the flesh so to speak. Sadly that place has taken the wrong fork in the road, in my opinion, but it's still nice to bump into Egberto, navajo, Smiley Creek, Chris Reeves and a few others at NN now and then. Sure, NN has crashed and burned as any sort of progressive pow wow thingy, but it still is a great place to meet some of the people you read and listen to - Sam Seder, TYT, Driftglass and blue gal, me (jk) - becuz every one of them will at least say hello.

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@Wink but always thought navajo had a good heart. I always liked Egberto in particular, but wondered what he was doing associated with dkos.

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@gulfgal98
dKos (as I do many of the other FPers there) and also wonder what he's doing there. But, I guess we could say that about many of them. Hey, a paid gig is a paid gig... and they're not all that easy to find. Egberto was a Bernie supporter and believe he still is. I believe MB was too. Maybe more FPers. Markos bojo'd many of us Berners and some of us ended up here. He kept his writers though.

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@gulfgal98
She has a vicious streak and carries a grudge past the end of the world. Say one thing she takes offense at - once - and she will never, ever forgive, and will hound you through any and all other threads looking for more Injustice to collect and trash you about.

Identity Politicians and Injustice Collectors, the lot of them.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

@Chaddiwicker He might think he has a point in there somewhere but he comes off as a blathering rottweiler having just rolled in a dead skunk. At least Kos has lucid moments.

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@Chaddiwicker not really, just pointing and laughing. Meanness begets meanness.
Sometimes when an asshole says "full disclosure" I bookmark it for future reference. From a diary titled "Is Sanders "courting" Racists and Nazis? Hell no!":

Armando > Bob Johnson
Jan 02 · 07:42:58 AM

Wasn't here in 2008 don't know what Denise ignored. Full disclosure Denise is a GOOD friend of mine so yes I'll defend her.

Jeopardy theme over there ...
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No wonder breitbart is more popular, at least the vile comments load.

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@eyo I could not believe the crap I was reading in that diary by DOV and the comments were just horrific. I think it was then that I really started to get a clue about how identity politics was being used as a tool for control as opposed to actual social justice. I still feel sick to my stomach thinking about it. Sad

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The real principle involved here is not whether this affected the primary result, it's that the DNC was (and probably still is) OK with letting candidates bail them out, (from a party bankrupted by Obama, an establishment actor), then dictate DNC policies, staff, messaging, strategy etc., to prevent any antiestablishment candidate(s) from having any chance whatsoever.
Whether it affected the primary outcome should not even be a point of debate. The principle is whether or not cheating is OK.
The did-or-did-not-affect-the-outcome argument is a diversion from the real principle.

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it’s considered O.K. for prosecutor and police to lie, fabricate evidence, or even torture the defendant, unless counsel for the defendant can prove conclusively that the accused would have been acquitted without such poisoning of the process.

Of course, replace “unless” with “even if” in the above, and many people might consider that a valid description of the justice system we actually have.

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@Mike Taylor The Hillbots turned it into a game of “you can’t prove any influence there”, as if we should believe all that money was given just to be nice and that Her was somehow above such influence anyway. I always felt the real issue was should someone with obvious presidential aspirations be taking the money in the first place. I’m guessing if Her ran as a Republican, the Hillbots would feel differently about that one and this one as well.

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@Mike Taylor

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but he must not watch or listen to CNN very often. Since this story broke, they've aired numerous segments (daily) about Brazile's revelations. Of course, most of the discussion is somewhat dismissive of this kerfuffle--from both the Clinton and Sanders surrogates. The Dems (that I've heard) all agree on the need to unify, and move on. IOW, defeating DT in 2018 is their only imperative right now. It seems that none of them are in the mood for an intra-party cat fight.

(Thus far, I've heard interviews with Jeff Weaver, Symone Sanders, Nina Turner, Hillary Rosen, Senator Warren, and several so-called Dem strategists whose names I didn't even recognize.)

For the record, Symone Sanders repeatedly says, as she did in the article below, that “No One Stole the Election From Us.”

Just to be clear, I'm relaying what I'm hearing. It's not my opinion--it's what's being said by Dem Party shills/faithful on one Cable Channel (CNN). But, I do think that context is important--which appears to be missing from some of the Tweets that I've seen regarding Warren's interview with Jake Tapper. I'll find and post the transcript when we get back.

Warren's concern was that the Party would 'be held accountable' (whatever that means), and that Tom Perez would be capable of convincing Bernie, his representatives, and his supporters that the Dem Party primary system 'is fair.'

Mollie

"The standard of living of the average American has to decline. I don't think you can escape that."
--Paul Volcker, The New York Times, October 18, 1979, Page 1.

“If we can divide the electorate this way, we can have them expending their energies fighting amongst themselves, over issues that for us, have no meaning whatsoever."
--USA Bankers Magazine, August 25, 1924

"Every time I lose a dog, he takes a piece of my heart. Every new dog gifts me with a piece of his. Someday, my heart will be total dog, and maybe then I will be just as generous, loving, and forgiving."
--Author Unknown

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Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.

I can't wait for the crucifixion!

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If you don't know what you want, you deserve what you get.

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That transcript.

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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And mopped the floor with Trump, I believe it very much, all things being equal/not rigged. It didn't just hurt us, it robbed us of a future.

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This shit is bananas.

Woah, was reading this in the OP:

https://twitter.com/EricBoehlert/status/926474173739872256

When it suddenly vanished and a notice appeared saying 'Whoops, something went wrong'.

How useful is Twitter, under these conditions?

Edit: and just after posting this, when I went to check on a music video which (as seems usual these days) wasn't loading, noticed this down the side:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX8Y2dN_nh4

Twitter Is Censoring Your Tweets & Bragging About It
The Jimmy Dore Show

Published on 6 Nov 2017

Twitter Is Censoring Your Tweets And Bragging About It

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.