The start of the U.S.-Russia tension
Submitted by gjohnsit on Sat, 09/23/2017 - 5:24pm
Earlier this month the U.S. began seizing Russian consulates in America.
Even at the height of Cold War tensions, it was unthinkable that the grand diplomatic properties of either side would be “seized” in a fit of irascibility.
Then just two days ago, Russia threatened to bomb U.S. troops in Syria.
The Russian Defence Ministry said the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) had taken up positions on the eastern banks of the Euphrates with U.S. special forces, and twice had opened fire with mortars and artillery on Syrian troops who were working alongside Russian special forces.
“A representative of the U.S. military command in Al Udeid (the U.S. operations center in Qatar) was told in no uncertain terms that any attempts to open fire from areas where SDF fighters are located would be quickly shut down,” Major-General Igor Konashenkov said in a statement.
“Fire points in those areas will be immediately suppressed with all military means.”
In the coming days, Trump will probably "sanction" NATO ally Turkey for doing business with Russia.
It's Erdogan's stated plan to spend billions purchasing the S-400 missile defense system from Russia that threatens to spoil his chummy relationship with Trump.
According to the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act, which Trump signed into law last month, the administration is required to sanction any foreign entities that engage in significant transactions with the Russian Federation's defense and intelligence sectors, according to lawmakers and experts.
Erdogan announced last week he signed the $2.5 billion contract with Russia and put down a deposit, ignoring public and private U.S. warnings.
How did things get so bad?
Most people think it started with Ukraine in early 2014, but in fact it actually started nearly a year earlier.
On Friday, a senior State Department official told the New York Times that countries throughout Latin America had been made aware of the repercussions of granting asylum to Snowden.
Relations with any country seen to be helping the former NSA contractor would be "in a very bad place for a long time to come", the official said.
And again.
The Obama administration on Wednesday again warned the Kremlin of negative repercussions if Snowden isn't turned over to the United States to face espionage charges.
...Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) went one step further, telling The Hill last week that the United States should boycott the Winter Olympics in Sochi as retaliation.
“It might help, because what they're doing is outrageous,” Graham said. “We certainly haven't reset our relationship with Russia in a positive way. At the end of the day, if they grant this guy asylum it's a breach of the rule of law as we know it and is a slap in the face to the United States.”
Relations with Russia have never been warm, but we gladly overlooked the Russo-Georgian War in 2008, eventhough the situation had many similarities to Ukraine in 2014.
I'm still glad Russia gave Snowden asylum. I just wanted to point out that this all started from pride and arrogance in our MIC, not from security concerns.
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US weapon makers/Clinont pushed for NATO expansion as start
Sorry, can't find link but looks like US weapon makers were pushing for NATO expansion for a long time now. So you have this and Clinton expanding NATO and then it culminating in the Ukraine coupe. So this has been building for years. With the Ukraine, the Russians could no longer just complain and had to start acting but supporting the separatists and taking over Crimea (I don't think they "invaded" Ukraine). And then later preventing overthrow of Assad by ISIS.
The cost of the NATO expansion has been estimated to be up to $125 billion. With of course the US picking up alot of the bill and then basically buying American arms for the expansion.
Interesting articles:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/russia-zapad-2017-putin-west-fake-ne...
https://sputniknews.com/us/201709191057502130-hysterical-us-lawmakers-br...
In the second article several House members accuse Sputnik radio in DC of effecting election. Problem is that they weren't up at running at the time of the election.
Is this the link?
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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Thanks. Looks like the one I saw through twitter.
True. However...
we looked the other way when Russia crushed Chechnya (while committing horrible war crimes).
We also didn't much care about "Russian aggression" in Georgia (which was also about Russian separatists).
Only after Snowden did Putin become the new Hitler.
Yep, me too.
He's still pushing the envelope !
(OT we are disappointed that Lannon Foundation bringing Glenn Greenwald and Tom Engelhardt to Santa Fe sold out before we could get tickets. Meh.)
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Snowden today
Oh my gawd indeed
This is the proof of what we have been saying here. This is the smoking gun that in a country that had a real justice system, many people in the Obama administration would have been charged with treason for aiding and abetting our enemies. Bush said that they were considered to be our enemies when he gave his "you are either with us or against us" speech.
One article I read years ago said that McCain should have been charged with treason because he went to Syria without getting permission to hold meetings with the leaders of Al Qaida and ISIS.
This is one of the meetings he held with the leaders
Another one
Besides American exceptionalism, what gives us the right to put sanctions on any country that we want and why can we tell other leaders what they can do with other countries?
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
@snoopydawg
That's what that exceptionally huge military Americans are being drained to provide is for: global control and take-over.
If they're going to kill us all off anyway, why wait until ready to spring at their corporate-captured 'allies' after the others have been taken down? Start by incrementally killing off many of the most vulnerable populations, and work their way up from there, as has already been in progress.
And try to complete that before the rest of the world finally bands together to take The Psychopaths That Be down globally first.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Well, basic self-preservation
Well, basic self-preservation would dictate that the rest of the world bands together in self-protection from the fascist monster running America.
Like the corporate 'political' parties used to keep the American victims quiet for so long, the US Psychopaths and Parasites That Be have made themselves so obviously damaging and hazardous to all that they've also made themselves obsolete as any sort of purported ally - incapable either of keeping their word or any connection to reality.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Russia emerged as a very powerful nation
This is the basic underlying reason for US hostility. After the USSR collapsed the US enjoyed "Total Spectrum Dominance" over the world. The concept is that no square kilometer on the planet could deny US power (Area Denial). Modern Russia emerged from the scrap heap of Soviet history as a modern, powerful country with endless resources, great science and technology and a legacy of strong military inherited from the USSR. And, the best leadership on the global scene, and that's not just Vladimir Vladimirovich but a host of folks.
I would not be surprised if the oil price crash was engineered by the US through Saudi Arabia.The oil money was fueling an incredible construction boom and rebuilding of the military in Russia. But what did the US promise S.A.???
The US deep state is in a complete panic mode now because of Russia's performance in Syria. Russia proved that it has a very modern, potent, well organized military and has produced the only positive military outcome in the M.E., a real slap in the face to the US. US client states Israel and Saudi Arabia are in total panic. Israel will have a strong Arab neighbor to the North who will demand the Golan Heights be returned and will champion the Palestinian cause. I can't imagine a worse outcome for the Axis of Chaos and Profit. Other M.E. countries have taken note of Russia's success. That Russia is a competent, effective, respectful ally. Iraq in particular is working with Russia and Syria. When it came time to buy tanks, Iraq compared the US M1A1 to the Russian T90 and went with Russia.
Snowden was not extradited because the US and Russia do not have an extradition treaty. That's the US's choice. They refuse to extradite any bad actors to Moscow. Yet they expected Russia to turn over Snowden. This was a massive act of arrogance.
The Russo-Georgian war was used a propoganda in the West. A UN commission investigated the hostilities and determined that is started entirely by Georgian aggression. Remember that scumbag Mikheil Saakashvili? The UN determined that he attacked Russia, totally unprovoked. Did the US put him up to it with reassurances? Probably. As an escaped convicted criminal from Georgia he was made governor of Odessa by the US puppet government in the Ukraine. And then kicked out. Apparently even the neo-naziis in Kiev could not stomach him.
There is an obvious solution to the US-Russia hostilities ... friendship. Yeah, Russia is all for it. But the US would have to treat Russia and her interests as equals. An end to being the one and only indispensable nation in the world? A hard pill to swallow. What politician in the US could run on that? This is going to be a slow painful process where Russia and the emerging nations, China, India, Brazil, Iran and most of the world, both in population and GDP, finally put the brakes on the West.
Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
Obama behind the oil price crash
As my livelihood is quite dependent on the price of oil, I was very alert to changes in that market. I have had a strong suspicion from the very beginning that the precipitous drop in oil prices was engineered by the Obama administration. The timing was just a little too convenient with the unrest in Ukraine, etc.
My guess is that Obama was more than willing to sacrifice the profits of the oil corporations and throw them to the wolves. It's not Obama partnering with the Saudis as much as him doing the bidding of his pals on Wall Street. Wall Street hates Putin, as he put the skids to their ransacking of Russia. These Greedsters are still foaming at the mouth with their lust to control the world. Putin stands in their way, and soon China in conjunction with them ... not to mention the other BRICS countries and their sympathizers/allies.
I've waited, in vain so far, for some in depth investigation of the oil price drop which considers a political motive. There have been plenty of economic based reports, but few - if any - that considered the possibilities of a political cause.
Despite the rantings of our right-wing friends, whose propaganda claimed otherwise, Obama had twisted the oil spigots wide open rather than constrained them. He allowed the frackers to operate as if there were no tomorrow, including the massive use of this technology in Gulf of Mexico leases. Few people realize this. Yes, an oversupply of oil caused prices to crash (and remain very low), but Obama policies are what allowed the massive over-production on the US side. I do not discount that the Saudis were probably complicit in the scheme.
The Saudi pumps were wide open
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
The economics didn't work as designed by the West
Decrease in oil prices caused the Russian Ruble to fall. Simple economics, Russian oil companies had fewer dollars in revenue to buy Rubles and therefore the value of the Ruble fell fast. At first Elvira Nabiullina, Russian Central Bank Governor, fought this by buying Rubles on the market. It was causing a rapid draw-down of currency reserves. So she made a great decision to stop. The Ruble devalued by more than half, from just under 30 Rubles to over 70 Rubles per dollar. However, Russian oil companies were being paid in dollars. So as oil prices tanked from $100+ per barrel to around $50 per barrels today Russian oil companies, and the Federal government's tax income remained about the same as before in Rubles. The M.E. oil exporters economies are tightly coupled to the Dollar so they got slammed. The downside for Russia is that it created an almost two fold inflation on imported goods. That, and the pernicious always increasing punitive economic sanctions pressured Russia into being more self-sufficient, a very very good move. Russia is seeing record levels of exports for grains and, ugh, military equipment, also finished goods based on textiles. The produce embargo on Europe was very clever as it accomplished many things. It was very punishing on Europe's farmers, it controlled inflation in Russia, and it stimulated domestic production, and it established new lines of agricultural trade all over the world. A consumer boycott is drastically more effective than a producer boycott, unless the producer has a monopoly, unlikely today in the world economy. It's an enormous FU to the EU. It drives home how nasty and arbitrary economic sanctions can be, actually war by other means. Due to devaluation in the Ruble, travel in Russia is a huge bargain. Moscow and St.Petersburg are two of the most interesting modern and historic cities in Europe, and now they are 1/2 off! There are no signs of economic distress in these cities and the construction cranes are everywhere.
Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
And all of the arms production
(without even going into the massive killing and destruction)
When will the madness stop?
dfarrah
The worst laid plans of mice and men...
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
@travelerxxx
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-29643612
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/04/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-is-said...
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-29651742
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Tnx!
Thank-you so much, Ellen! Excellent!
Friendship with Russia?
What an utterly outlandish concept. Such an idea is quite literally unthinkable, anywhere within a 100 mile radius of Washington DC. Far better to up the Pentagon budget by a few more billions. That'll teach those uppity Ruskies a thing or two. And if it doesn't, we can just bomb the fuckers!
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I know that this is OT, but
speaking of countries being made aware of things, the chatter says that US channels have said that if Lebanon doesn't grant citizenship to the 2 million Syrian refugees in the country, that Lebanon will be destroyed. Another channel said that October is going to be hot for Lebanon.
They want to upset the delicate ethnic balance to marginalize the Hezbos. Our lovely American friends can't help but shit in the living room every time we invite them over.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
"... or else. "
u.s. diplomacy. this is bizarre.
the possum was right.
@irishking
When TPTB are as dumb as a sack of hammers, they see everything as a nail...
Edited to more closely repeat the saying.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.