Trump Be Crazy: The 'Democrats' Gambling Bigly. [A scream in the dark.]
Two high risk strategies
1] The Russia!! Gamble
I've said all I am going to say about that one
2] The Trump is mentally ill Gamble
SAN FRANCISCO — California Democrats are stoking a debate over Donald Trump’s mental health and fitness for office, opening a new front in the resistance to the president but raising fears that the line of criticism could backfire.
As early talk of impeachment wanes and questions about Trump’s stability have surfaced after his volatile responses to the violence in Charlottesville — most recently by GOP Sen. Bob Corker and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper — California’s Democratic House delegation has seized on an issue that until recently was limited to the Internet fever swamps.
Rep. Zoe Lofgren last week introduced a congressional resolution urging Trump to seek a medical and psychiatric evaluation to determine if he is unfit for the office. Rep. Jackie Speier called for invoking the 25th Amendment — which empowers the vice president and Cabinet to remove a president who is incapable of serving
I'll agree that Trump is a total asshole, a product of the current politics gripping the US an inevitable bi-product of the current group think even.
If you argue that Trump is insane than the current oligarchy is largely to blame, what does that say about them? It would be pretty easy to start making the case for collective insanity. The whole last election was fought over two highly disliked personalities and very little to do with what was good for Americans. Least bad, lesser evil and a whole mountain of total bullshit. Leftists/socialists want good stuff, what a load of needy wankers was a constant theme. Neither of the parties needed anyone else but their frothing bases. The MSM was a total joke run by the owners.
Who could make America great? Who could make America safe? Who would fight our senseless wars better? Shut up about health care! Shut up about the wars! Shut up about income inequality why don't you! Campaign finance reform? Third Parties? What? You god-damned traitors! Now is not the time! It never is.
Yes, we will put our faith in the NSA, CIA and FBI to make things right again! I must be fucking dreaming.
Come here Henry Kissinger it's time for a cuddle. Clapper, seriously? Wars crimes? Not if our side commits them.
All the Democrats can see is Trump!! All they could do during the campaign was say oh look Trump!! You know why, they couldn't propose anything better than the least bad, even they knew it. Cowards. How about aiming for something demonstrably better?
The Republicans have been dumpster diving with the crazies for decades. How deep can we dig the hole? Show me the Birth certificate! How heavily can we play the race card before we say the n-word. Even the Neo-Nazis are happy little troopers.
Now we are often drawn into the realm of tin-foil abuse on both sides: when any fucking theory is greeted with ooohhhh you're so right. A realm of absolutes with few bloody facts where actual proof is not important. Opinions and whacky theories are spread around until they are re-quoted and treated as truthful/factual.
Then we have the case where not to be shown up within your own clique and that you are still part of the team you join in, no matter what you actually bloody think. Some run for the door to then be attacked and ridiculed by some of those that remain, the group as a whole tags along so as not to feel isolated or locked away in some virtual padded cell.
So Trump is a narcissistic sociopath, is he any less sane than the rest? How are you going to prove he is any more crazy than the rest of the fucking sociopaths of your choice?
Yes, but Trump may lead us into a senseless conflict, where the hell have you been the last bloody 70 years?
Dear god collective insanity or what?
Yes, but we are exceptional [one of President Obama's favourites]! Our side is right!
We are down the rabbit hole where only a few have noticed that it is bloody dark down here.
Where the hell has Alice got to?
Sigh
Just a thought scream in the dark.
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The lyrics are apt:
One pill makes you larger, and one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you, don't do anything at all
Go ask Alice, when she's ten feet tall
And if you go chasing rabbits, and you know you're going to fall
Tell 'em a hookah-smoking caterpillar has given you the call
And call Alice, when she was just small
When the men on the chessboard get up and tell you where to go
And you've just had some kind of mushroom, and your mind is moving low
Go ask Alice, I think she'll know
When logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead
And the white knight is talking backwards
And the red queen's off with her head
Remember what the dormouse said
Feed your head, feed your head
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I blame the damn rabbit
I really did think of cross posting this you know where, in the end, I just couldn't be bothered.
They would say,
If Trump was black, he would be a thug. Because he is white, he is mentally ill. If they were intellectually honest, they would be peddling impeachment for crimes, not a mental illness.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Once you start impeaching Presidents for crime where would
it all end?
Hence the whole "look forward" bullshit with respect to war crimes and crimes against humanity.
How come they don't look towards the future
when it comes to some poor kid with a bag of weed? The only crimes that get a free pass apparently are thefts in excess of a billion$, or mass murder.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
Ah the great and noble war on drugs to fill the rooms of
the Prison Industrial Complex as well as destabilizing the governments of Central and South America.
The mere theft by bankers and financiers can't do that anyway the money stolen circulates in the correct circles. Money laundering and Offshore banks to avoid taxes would be hard pressed to survive.
PS who else could organise the rape and pillage of the countries we occupy as efficiently?
Remember when impeachment was off the table?
They explicitly let the Bush administration off the hook and, unless I'm missing something, they did a whole lot more than Trump has done in his eight months in office. I really fail to see where he's done much more than continue the policies of the Obama administration. He's just been much more klutzy and in the open about it.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
That made me very angry and made my final move away
from the Democratic Party inevitable.
Hillary just gave it added urgency
Domestically, I think Trump has done
and is doing damage. Exactly how much damage, I'm not sure. I think Obama did (marginally) improve some domestic conditions, compared to what they had been under Bush#2. Others, he made worse. But in foreign policy, it's been pretty much steady as she goes. MIC is still running the show, though Trump manages to throw the occasional monkey wrench into a few of their best-laid plans. Apparently more by accident than for any clear purpose.
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@LaFeminista @LaFeminista If he commits
If he commits a crime while in office, he needs to look out for investigation and prosecution. I'm not interested in digging through decades of a President's past, because that should be done, ideally, when the candidate is being vetted by the party (as in, don't choose a criminal as your standard-bearer). Failing that, campaigns are the proper place to discuss that.
Of course that only works if you have actual political parties and actual campaigns and actual elections.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The Trump being mentally ill angle
doesn't help progressives anyway, if it gains any traction, it will be because the Repug establishment pushed it, and are going for a coup. Who can tell me with a straight face that President Pence would be an improvement?
The Dims keep up this crazy obsession with getting rid of Trump because it distracts from their own problems. The fact is, in its current state, the Dem. party is unfit to govern. What's worse is that they know this, and yet still refuse to reform themselves.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
Distract Divide Disenfranchise
The 3-Ds
The truth
That's all they've had since Her started Her run. They did all they could to push Trump out front as they thought he'd be the easiest to beat. Her was a deeply flawed candidate who tried to sidestep that by making the election a referendum on Trump. Her didn't run for president. Her ran for anti-Trump. And Her lost! They still can't accept that and they can't admit that maybe, just maybe, her was an uninspiring candidate who ran a horrible campaign. Not-Trump is all they have because it's the only thing they offer that average voters can rally behind. Sad.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
It was the "not Trump" that was the real idiocy
the whole campaign was just about Trump.
I suspect Her actually believes
The reasons she gave for losing. To not accept them would be unacceptable. Maybe Her needs a sanity evaluation right alongside Das Pumpkinfuhrer.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I can't WAIT to read "What Happened!"
HAAAAAAAAAAAA-hahahaha! Not.
It's going to be so boring, I'll give it a miss and just read
the extracts.
I'll wait for the Amazon reviews. When they
Start rolling in. They're usually pretty damn good.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
That can be enlightening at times.
In all seriousness, Her needs an honest physical
at least if she's planning on another run (and I sincerely hope she isn't.) I know speculating about Her health makes a lot of people recoil, but it's hard to ignore the same telltale patterns when they have to talk about it that you see when they're lying about any other issue.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
I agree
But I have a feeling it'll be a moot point by then. Frankly, I'd be surprised if she's still alive by then. And if she is, I'd be even more surprised if she's in any condition to run. It's an awful thing to say, but I really thought she was going to keel over before the election and why we'd be presented with the literal propping up of a presidency instead of a metaphorical one.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I agree
When I thought she had a chance, I was most interested in Her VP pick because I assumed that was who would finish out the term. Before I saw anyone saying it, there were many times when Her was campaigning and just watching Her I thought she wasn't going to make it. I will always wonder if Her health played as much a role in skipping all the assumed safe states Her ended up losing as hubris.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
@dervish
Pence is far more dangerous. Without even getting into the religious zealotry, he'd be dangerous because he'd be far more effective at moving the Republican agenda forward.
Pence would be Grover Norquist's wet dream: "a president with enough working digits to be able to hold a pen." Pence would stay on
message. He would listen to his handlers and read exactly what they put on his teleprompter.
Pence wouldn't be constantly throwing wrenches into the GOP plan with off-the-cuff lunacy. He's smart enough to keep his eye on the prize.
Exactly as he was as a congressman and Governor but with
a hell of a lot more power.
Tell that to all those dopey Dems
who can't see beyond Trump-Trump and Russia-Russia to save their souls. So they're actually linking arms with the CIA and assorted Neocons, in hopes of putting a dyed-in-the-wool Dominionist in the Oval Office. Now there's some 11th-dimensional chess for you! A sure winner of a strategy.
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That's a real Tom Sawyer moment,
when you can get a large chunk of the Dem. rank and file working hard towards putting Mike Pence in office.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
Why distinguish D's and R's?
They all have the same message in their interviews, i.e. Trump is "unhinged", Trump is "unstable" etc. They all have the same playbook and occasionally the playbook tells them to pretend to disagree.
The MSM noise machine is harmonically tuned into the Trump is crazy meme.
BTW has anyone here answered one or more of those pop-up ads that ask whether you want Trump impeached? (I haven't.) I know nothing about them, who is sponsoring, whether they interpret a click as a yes vote or anything.
@dervish Unfortunately, plenty of
Unfortunately, plenty of people can tell us that with a straight face. Koolaid, anyone?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Now is not the time! (++)
dems to a 't'
au contraire!
Until they actually change how they think it will always
be one of their rallying cries
Why would they change how they think?
It's making them all very rich. Bill and Hillary started out without that much and are worth a quarter of a billion bucks not counting the loot stashed in their foundation. Tom Daschle is doing just fine. Barney Frank isn't missing any meals.
If I had a choice between getting rid of Citizens United and eliminating the ability of elected officials to take money for influencing policy after leaving office I'd choose the latter.
The folks in power --
are no doubt really looking forward to the era of President Pence, a guy who shares their mentality and who is neither a spoiled rich kid from Back East nor a reality TV star.
What puzzles me is why ordinary people should buy into the schtick they've put forth in hopes of getting their President Pence. They didn't try this sort of thing with Reagan, and Reagan actually had Alzheimer's disease.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
President Pence a religious lunatic behind the Resolute Desk.
The trajectory that has almost seemed to be inevitable for our country.
Religious crusades here we come.
Red Queen hypothesis
like the Democratic Party, well maybe all of us. "Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place." Spinning , spinning, spinning, fabulous little dervishes we've become. Meanwhile on planet earth... Well take your pick of the manifold disasters, present moment and up coming. My favorite new word...Heh! Is it even a word? Or just the sound of a ironic disgusted exhale.
Where is some good Window Pane, Purple Haze, or I would even take some blotter acid if I had too. Nah... Too much downtime...so prolly just pet my cat and watch Rachel Maddow like a good little leftist debt serf bot tonight.
@Cassiodorus A point on which we agree
A point on which we agree entirely. This whole thing is stupid, but no point in trying to tell the crusaders that.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Seriously?!
"A Congressional resolution urging Trump to seek a medical and psychiatric evaluation."
1. THIS is what our ELECTED OFFICIALS are spending their time on? (Rhetorical question).
2. Weak sauce. Who here believes for a nanosecond that Trump would pay any attention to such a resolution?
What a bunch of impotent fucking losers. By design.
It will play really badly outside of the party faithful
Yes, it could play badly
outside the DC echo chamber. Maybe very badly, in some regions. I suspect that we may not be getting an accurate reading of the national mood from our corporate media sources.
native
The script for our new "reality" show
requires new writers immediately. they need
to check out car 54 where are you reruns.
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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
One where we fight on policy not personality
This last election was driven by the loathing of the personalities at the top of the list.
Apt episode choice
Trump is fucking nuts.
You can't tell me someone like that isn't off in the head. So he is what he is. That has nothing to do with the democrats or other crazy people, like Clinton. It's just an observation, a pretty good one in my opinion.
Do you have any friends or relatives that act like Trump?
I seriously doubt he is going to get bounced because he's crazy. But why not call a spade a spade? The problem is, coming from democrats it is seen as a purely political move and a hypocritical one at that. But for those of us who aren't democrats or republicans, I see nothing wrong with calling Trump what he is, a nut case.
Oh I think he is a lunatic amongst a whole lot of others
in DC, some of them play sane. Narcissists and sociopaths abound. The really dangerous ones manage the to pull off appearing sane, how else can you justify unending war and the level of military spending? The nuclear arsenal even? Claim that the US is not an Empire with a straight face? Let your own people die through lack of basic health care in the richest country on the planet? The politics of division?
How else can you plot regime change and assassination. Overturn democracies and let people like Pinochet loose on the world? It truly is a particular type of collective insanity as well as individual ones. How else can you justify sexism, racism and exceptionalism? The madness of the need for an American flag lapel pin. Demanding only presidents that go to church.
It's a god-damned madhouse.
We can look back at famous "leaders" and see how
power and wealth made them ultra whacko. That's what Trump is, ultra whacko. He's been a silver spooner from the beginning, lived a fantasy life and then used his billions to become president. Look at the way he talks, what he says, how he contradicts himself constantly, how he juts his fucking chin out when he's trying to be king. The guy is way out there.
That's what power and wealth does to people, it's well known. And it got to Trump big time. Of course there are plenty of others in the power circle of this country, but there's only one president with codes to nuclear weapons.
I'm not pushing for anything regarding Trump because of exactly what you say, the entire system is infested and needs to come down. It's not about Trump relative to what we Serfs need to do in the end. But he's still a nutcase. The democrats pulling that out are in no position to be accusers.
Al you know we agree?
Of course.
He is having yet another major twitter whine today
I hope they dont ban him from playing with his phone.
@Big Al Or he's playing a heel
Or he's playing a heel character.
Trump is very familiar with the principles of pro wrestling. No analysis of him is complete without this perspective.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I think I'll go on walkabout.
Or maybe a road trip into the Great American Desert. Area 51 anyone? What could go wrong?
If there are aliens I think they will be as bemused as the
rest of us.
Your first story was better...
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And the PTB must learn that I too never work for so little...
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
But they have so many many stories
Power Causes Brain Damage
From a recent article in The Atlantic:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/power-causes-brain-...
Fits Trump like a glove.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
Especially when you are also born with a gold spoon
wedged up your ass.
@Meteor Man And every other
And every other politician in the race with the possible exception of Bernie Sanders.
If they seriously bring this as the charge against Trump's mental health, the snorts of derision will be heard from coast to coast. Who did they run for President again?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Yep
Nuff said
It's something beyond my comprehension the spooks must
be laughing their asses off.
High fives all around at Langley.
Mike Pompeo is probably hiding under his desk.
native
Trump might be a whack but the last Dim
in the Oval Office drew up 'kill lists' and justified killing male children by saying all males are fair game, even kids.
When Wall Street killed off half the world's economies, who told us we need to 'look forward' and to quit demanding 'justice'. It was the same SOB who, when old Teddy Cruz did his Green Eggs act, made sure the wealthy didn't have to sacrifice. He took it out on plebs who depended on WIC and had kids in Head Start.
The Empty Suit is a socio- or psychopath. They call that a 'personality disorder'. I think Donald Trump, as fucked up as he is (and he IS fucked up) has quite a way to go until he's as mentally diseased, despicable, foul and deceitful as the shitheel that just got his ass out of the Oval Office. He's on the road to Obama-type corruption, what with his arms deal to the masterminds of 911, the Saudis. But he's no where as barbaric and morally/ethically bankrupt as The Empty Suit. Trump is a schemer and a scammer. The Empty Suit is a killer of innocents.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
@Amanda Matthews And then there's the
And then there's the Prez and Veep from before Obama. How about that for hubris? But let's look forward.
And then there's Hill. If we're gonna get into amateur diagnosis, let me throw my hat into the ring and suggest that you might find her picture next to the word "hubris" in the dictionary.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Can't wait for Mr. Trump to double down on the other crazy
President's actions. You remember, the one with the beautiful family?
You are right, of course. No to the impeachment for crazy.
However I say Yes for the impeachment for breaking the law. We will deal with Pence when the time comes.
And finally, fuck Clapper, and fuck the obvious trolls at GOS who were defending him.
And why would anyone watch a channel that would have that pos on?
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Fuck most of them even the mindless enablers.
Tell The Ice Cream Story Again!
That's my favorite one Grampaw! Did you really have cold, sugary ice cream? And flavors too? Don't forget the part about brain freeze Grampaw!
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
I can't imagine who, within the boiling cauldron
of DC corruption and craziness, might be deemed sane or qualified enough to accurately diagnose the mental disorder of a fellow denizen. I know I wouldn't want James Clapper or Bob Corker or Lindsay Graham to be in charge of judging my sanity. But nor would I want to grant Rachel Maddow any such authority.
It's easy to see why so many soi-disant patriots want to get rid of Trump. But it would be not be at all easy to prove that they are any more "sane" than he is. He may be a rude and crude outsider, impolitic, impolite, and somewhat ridiculous -- but his accusers tend to overlook the rather significant fact that he is the legally elected President. Millions of Americans voted for him. They did not vote for Corker or Clapper or Clinton, or a gaggle of CNN pundits and amateur psychiatrists.
Trump may be incompetent, but incompetence is not insanity -- and "mental illness" is anything but a precisely defined condition. If it were customary to depose a sitting President for sheer incompetence, then surely Bush#2 would have been removed from office prior to 2008. Of course then we'd have had Cheney to deal with, who was arguably even crazier than Dubya was. On a related note, just because Mike Pence appears to be relatively rational, does not mean that he actually is.
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We are on the same page number in the same book
@native The idea of Bob Corker
The idea of Bob Corker judging somebody's sanity is ridiculous.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Where dems want Trump to be crazy is scary.
The democrats have praised Trump where he did get belligerent when he shot off cruise missile against Syrians. Maddow is insane about the idea of Trump not militarily escalating on the Russian border. You wanna bet nothing about arming Ukrainians which Obama opposed. Nothing from them about the increased civilian deaths in Yemen and Syria's Raqqa. The democrats only real complaint about Trump is how he talks about waging cold and war with N. Korea, China, etc.
It is apparent to me that Trump could shut up the democrats if he started a war with one of the party's official enemies. How crazy is that.
Aren't there any statues of Trump
that we can wax passionate about? Empty symbolism is all the rage! Resist!™
Don't take all this at face value
The Republican Establishment never wanted Trump, and seem to have given up trying to work with him.
Talk about the Deep State, the moneyed Elites, the Democratic Establishment, whatever real or imagined power centers there may be, none of them want Trump.
The only ones who ever wanted Trump were Republican voters, and they still want him. That's the problem.
Congress could fire him in a week. Comey was fired, they have Trump's public statements, and Comey's sworn testimony before the Senate. They don't need anything else. Impeachment and conviction is a political act, it is not a criminal trial, and there is no appeal. They can just up and fire him. They get President Pence, which would make them happy, and Paul Ryan gets promoted to VP and they have to find some other sucker to try to run the House.
Except that it would be a bloodbath at the polls for Republicans while Trump's approval among Republican voters stays high.
Pence and the cabinet could invoke the 25th amendment, but with Trump's approval high he would never have a hope of getting the nomination in 2020. He won't do it.
Everything we are seeing is targeted at Republican voters. If they can drive Trump's approval numbers down they can take action to fire him. All the crazy shit Trump is doing is targeted at holding his approval numbers up. That's what the Phoenix rally was about, and possibly pardoning Arpaio. That's what shutting down the government to pay for the wall is about.
If Trump keeps his approval high, they don't dare fire him. If it drops, he's out.
The wild card is the investigation. If they can find evidence of criminal money laundering they can have a quiet meeting with Trump and hand him a resignation letter to sign. The voters can't get too angry if Trump just resigns.
My guess is that is how this will all play out.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
We will see, I'm betting on an illness/heart attack.
A stroke perhaps,
Coumadin took Sharon out.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
Who's crazier?
The one who wanted a war with Russia or the one who wants a war with North Korea?
It could be argued that war with Russia is actually crazier than any idea so far except 1)war with China, and 2)continuing with a petrochemical economy.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver