Initial skirmish of World War 3: the Battle of the Black Sea. Hint, we lost.
So you think about what does this mean? First, it means that the missile lobbing contests of North Korea and the US are really a side-show. The US cannot and will not invade or bomb North Korea for many reasons. One of the most potent reasons is the massive loss of life, even if restricted to conventional weapons. Seoul's megacity of 12,000,000 is within easy striking range of standard artillery as well as short range missiles. There is no effective defense of Seoul possible. Secondly the Chinese, despite all the Trump wining and dining of Xi Jinping, will hardly hesitate to bolster their support for their satellite, even though have currently closed the border to North Koreans seeking to flee northward. Finally the US cannot financially afford a large scale war, especially while fighting 6 or 7 or 8 wars now.
But, you might say, what about Syria? Neocons are just fucking crazy enough to think the unthinkable as Herman Kahn said. But even Mad Dog Mattis isn't that nuts to let them get their way. Trump will listen to Mattis. His trust, warranted or not, has already been manifested in allowing Mattis to order another shipment of Soylent Green to the Afghanistan meat grinder. But, whether you like Mattis's politics or not, he is a student of war in the same way George Patton was. Russia and Syria are kicking ass in Syria, taking down ISIS, al-Qaeda, al-Nusra and whatever mangy outfits are fighting the Assad regime. Americans who know anything about this will be inflamed by tacit support of these "moderate" terrorists. Russia has already sent a strong signal, which hopefully the tone-deaf neocons can hear, that Russia will lock radars on to any aircraft in Syrian airspace. That triggers US coalitions forces' (now minus Australia) airplane radars. Can Trump be that stupid? Maybe. Who knows?
So what about the Black Sea. Russia has essentially controlled that large body of water since driving Army Group South out of it during 1943. By retaking Crimea from Ukraine, Russia secured its grasp on the Sea, making it essentially theirs. Of course, the Black Sea being quite large has significant amounts of "international" waters. But think about a Russian battle fleet perching in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico, to get an idea of the geopolitics of that Sea.
Yet, this is exactly what the United States has done repeatedly to one degree or another: sent battle-ready military vessels into what is essentially Russia's lake. These forays don't usually make much news in the US, just as the DNC lawsuit doesn't and Bernie's campaign didn't. Besides being a "show of force", intelligence gathering via electronic means is a major reason for these expeditions.
So, let us turn to the players in the Battle of the Black Sea in which not a single shot was fired nor was anything sunk or shot down. Principal player on the US side was the USS Donald Cook.
The other major player were two 40 year old Sukhoi SU-24 aircraft. Despite its relatively old age, this plane has configurable wing alignment and flies at mach 1.06 for the SU-24MK model with a combat radius of 615 km at low altitude. Pictured below is the SU-24M2 variant. Here are some facts about the SU-24.
Here is a map of the Cook's Black Sea posting in April, 2014:
Then, something extremely unusual happened while the Cook was on routine patrol. The action was so horrific that more than 20 crew members immediately resigned after the cruise. What happened? Without equivocation, it has been learned that the two SU-24's circling the Cook, disarmed as they were, completely disabled the Cook's sophisticated radars, of which there were at least 8 types. The ship was dead in the water, with no means to respond. Not a shot had been fired.
What happened next has to be seen to be believed. After the Cook had been completely disabled, the two Russian jets made 12 mock attack passes around the Cook, totally undeterred and unopposed. Watch the video, shot from the deck of the Cook, even though 20 minutes long to see this extraordinary event.
[video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6JGkPcgV9c]
A new weapon system was unveiled in the Black Sea called Khibiny. Learn this word, because this technology renders almost all of the US Navy's vessels helpless. The more sophisticated the radars, the easier they are to defeat. Khibiny delivers EMP (electromagnetic pulses) to disable ships.
Wikipedia has something to say about Khibiny.:
The system is designed for radio direction-finding and probing signal source irradiation allowing it to distort reflected signal parameters. This helps to
1. Delay aircraft detection;
2. Mask the true subject against false reflections;
3. Cause range finding difficulties, namely in speed and angular positions;
4. Degrading Maintenance Mode "on the aisle" when scanning antenna beam radar;
5. Increase the time and difficulty of capturing an object during real-time active scanning.
But Wikipedia didn't mention its ability to completely shut down a vessel. Wonder why? Here's a picture of an SU-34 (not the 24s actually involved) with Khibiny on the wingtips.
The implications of this are enormous. Our entire Navy rendered useless unless some work-arounds can be developed. With this technology, the Russians could send a rubber boat loaded with explosives to collide with just about any naval vessel. You know, like the USS Cole.
Does this shake your confidence in our vaunted MIC a little bit? You understand why this story never received much play in the press. Well, if this news doesn't shake you, wait for installment 2: Defeat in the South China Sea.
Comments
Small correction. Australian air force back in Syria
As I had said in previous post, Australia's government will follow their master's desires - unless they want to get regime-changed (again). Australia is an extremely important geo-strategic location for both the US military and intelligence in South East Asia.
Edit: Removed inadvertent gay slur. The original meaning (one who straddles his master's leg while grabbing a boot as the master pushes on the servant's ass with his other foot in order to remove the boot) is no longer recognized - shows my age.
@CB
Also how the language shrinks - and how weird it is that any unintended reference taken as being to someone actually being gay is still considered a slur.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
We proles really have no idea...
"Russia has already sent a strong signal, which hopefully the tone-deaf neocons can hear, that Russia will lock radars on to any aircraft in Syrian airspace. That triggers US coalitions forces' (now minus Australia) airplane radars."
There have been some limited reports that Russia has walked back this threat, but imagine things can change daily if not hourly in America's Syrian clusterfuck. Thanks Obama and Hillary.
Dear Dems: You lost the WH, Senate, House, dozens of governors, state level SOS and AG and about 1,000 state legislative seats. Maybe...you're doing something wrong.
@coloradoblue I know I'm gonna take
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The only flak you get here would be incoming GOS bombs.
@Alligator Ed Well...people get
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
Me, too! Really, anyone knowing anything of the Mad Bomber's history and tendencies would feel that way. Sorta like discovering that a nasty skin rash isn't an incurable and fast-moving flesh-eating disease, but something that you might potentially survive, even if with scarring and disability.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@Ellen North Excellent metaphor.
"Oh, it isn't leprosy! It's just psoriasis!"
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I am too!
As much as I dislike Trump or any Rethug, I am still grateful that we do not have Hillary in the White House because of her war mongering.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
All the more reason
Neocon thinking might go directly to missile-launched nukes. I'm totally ignorant of the military strategy you are working through here, and I value any and all information you can bring us. So, thanks. I just see the prospect of Russian parity, much less superiority, in any area as a more possible reason for Neocons to think worst case scenario and go whole hog bye-bye world.
The brilliance of Gorbachev essentially disarming, in agreeing to allow us to dismantle the Soviet Union's nuclear weapons, was that he saw the willingness of the U.S. nutcase deep state to end life on earth if they couldn't get their way. I think, unfortunately, Putin is in that same position. But he seems to be trying to make the case that he will not back down, hoping common sense will win out. Our problem is that our Neocon leadership has no common sense, no concern about ending life on earth.
Neocons will have no concern about anybody else's life
They actually believe in
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
@Linda Wood
But even apart from the nukes, they're destroying the global natural life-support system and making existence in every respect as hazardous as possible for everyone - including themselves, as there will be no safe products, food, water or air remaining - simply to maximize short-term corporate/billionaire profits and cheques/investments/kick-backs to themselves.
Backing down to bullies helps them worsen, and if we're all going down anyway in the very near future, isn't it better that at least some go down fighting, rather than simply bending over?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Go down fighting, that's it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjCFyw67TPs]
[video:@Linda Wood The lunatics in the MIC
Liz
@lizbeeo
And Virtual Reality to 'live in'... crazy buggers...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Well, just wait until the U.S. rolls out its
counter/counter electronic warfare system that literally makes Russian jets go "poof".
And how does a Navy seaman "resign". I wish they would have let us do that when I was in.
I know, right?
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
I'm not sure about that part of this story.
I agree
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
An intersting article
that talks about Russia's overall Electronic Warfare capabilities and US lack of countermeasures in 2015: http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/21/russia-winning-the-electronic-war/
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Another study from 2016
http://posse.gatech.edu/sites/default/files/pubfiles/Loukianova-Posse_Ru...
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
The difference between the us and russia
US: M4 - over engineered piece of crap designed to put out large numbers of bullets at high accuracy, but redesigned to limit automatic fire. Hard to clean to the point that cleaning the weapon is seen as a punishment by most soldiers, and the last thing you ever want to do is fire it. Crappy sight that requires specific training to use properly and requires precise calibration. Each one costs over a thousand dollars to make
Russia: AK47 and variants- Rifle based off German and American weapons of Ww2. Refined over decades. Cheap, fairly accurate, and easy to maintain. Basic sight accurate to effective range. Can and often is built with hand tools.
Anybody else seeing the problem here?
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
the problem here
Yeah, I see it clearly. And have seen it ever since the multi-gazillion-dollar "fly by wire" aircraft started coming out. (Or consumer automobiles with computerized engines, for that matter.) These ships and aircraft essentially bear big red targets on themselves, right at the computers, saying "Hit Me Here And Kill Me Dead".
And the technologies to strike at those computers has existed longer than the computers themselves, going back to Nikola Tesla's days.
Ironically, we need to re-include lower-tech weapons systems in our arsenal, ones that can operate under this sort of electronic counter measure (ECM) attack.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Imho, we need ordinance
The m14 was a decent weapon, and was a good starting point for a competitor to the AK47. Needed refinement, but so did the ak. Bring back browning action for our machine guns, and fuck the FN and Italian designs. 1911 and .30 Cal work great, are effective at engagement range and are cheap and reliable. Also, Completely buildable Under Adverse conditions, Which Every FUCKing War IS!!!
Sorry, long rant and discussionI used to have with Captain Romito, one of the finest officers I ever served with. He gave me a recommendation for my application to OCS, and had I remained in the army, I would like to think those admittedly fraternizing discussions would have helped guide my actions.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
@detroitmechworks You mean that a bunch
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
dingdingdingdingding!!
Dingdingdingdingding!! Give Can't Stop another Marijuana!
(I live in Colorado; I can say that!)
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
@detroitmechworks
Well, the essential purpose of further enriching, at public expense, the MIC and those invested in it - as well those politicians the MIC invests in - is achieved, so what else really matters? It's not like the beneficiaries of this believe that they're likely to suffer for this, just some of the Disposables.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
We already knew our military
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
We need to learn from the things that actually work.
If I may jump on a soapbox, imho war is to awful to be left to amateur wannabees who think a bunch of tech toys will replace the only thing that ever wins a war. That one thing is a large number of armed soldiers who are given a clear and strictly limited mission.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
And when your real goal is not to ever win
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
To which I would add reliable weaponry
@detroitmechworks If we had a military
A well-run military would want a sufficient number of the weapons necessary to implement a series of strategies that they had thought out in response to different geopolitical scenarios they thought might arise. Figuring out what those strategies are, what weapons and tech is needed to implement them, and how much of the various weapons and tech we need would be the job of the military, and the ultimate decisions would be driven by their strategic expertise (within the limits of existing tech.)
Instead, we have an industrialist's desire for constantly increasing maximized profit in the driver's seat, and a government whose job it is to give such men what they want. And apparently most of the people in charge of the Pentagon never object (though if they did object, I probably wouldn't know it).
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
No objection
The Pentagon personnel who approve and sign off on the massive cost overruns and faulty equipment know full well on which side their bread is buttered ... and by whom. After twenty years wearing a uniform, they all graduate to the payoff -- a cushy Sales Rep position with the very same DaddyWarBucks, Inc. grafters whose wallets they padded with taxpayer monies during the time they had an American flag sewed to their sleeve.
In the end, it's all about greed -- top to bottom ... but especially at the top.
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
Would there be any need for an actively fighting US military if the US PTB had never attacked/invaded/'destabilized'/terrorized/overthrown democratically elected governments in other people's countries for corporate fun and profit and the military were indeed properly run and used only where necessary?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@Ellen North I don't know, but I
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
Yup, and they could do pretty parades and play war-games without damaging/killing wild-life to be ready, just in case, and they could cost a fraction of the amount spent on things like infrastructure and universal health-care among a much healthier population.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@Steven D Falling budgets? What the
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal If the military men who
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
'Administrative costs'? 'Burdensome regulations; costs of'? 'Some clerk forgot to enter a few more trillion into the books again, just more admin error'? 'Damn, must have left my pockets open again, oh, well, done deal?'
Luckily, any amount of mysteriously missing public money can be made up for with more public austerity and a heavier milking hand!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
$6 Trillion missing at DoD
https://caucus99percent.com/content/light-reading-6-trillion-unaccounted...
Light Reading: $6 Trillion Unaccounted for at DOD in 2015
... a $6 Trillion error, or slight-of-hand... Probably just a goof-up.
Dated last summer:
Patton was a martinet
I read his letters. (3rd ACR had a big exhibit to the guy as he was a a former CO) The man had no feeling for anyone, delighted in "discipline", even to the point of crushing morale, and was hated by almost everyone he worked with.
I have much more respect for Rommel, whose book, while a bit dry and German, emphasized minimizing the effect of war on civilians, and tried at least to talk about proper treatment of the enemy as respectable foes.
Macho Generals get good people killed. Good generals win without fighting.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
My father was a combat engineer
attached to both Patton and Omar Bradley at various times. He loved Bradley and hated Patton.(Bradley loved field kitchens - Patton thought k rations built character)
On to Biden since 1973
Could this explain
why only 23 missiles out of 59 launched reached their target at Syrian air base?
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
Probably not this Khibiny system which is airborne defense
Krasuha:
but another Russian system known asIt could also be based on this active missile defense system the Russians employ in Syria:
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Thanks, Steven for your multiple links.
@Steven D
At the time, I'd wondered if the Russians had let some missiles through so that Baby could feel that his tantrum had had some effect, and then shorted out the rest of the missiles.
Why should they advertise their capabilities to these exceptional idiots over something relatively minor? I've a feeling that they've likely much more in reserve, only to be used as necessary... speaking as One Who Knows Nothing But Speculates a Lot, of course, lol.
The US PTB are accustomed to bullying the poor and vulnerable, those much smaller than themselves; they've been permitted to get away with ever-more-blatant and expanding theft and murder which is neither acceptable nor survivable and their citizens cannot stop them - somebody must.
Are TPTB bright enough to draw in their horns and abandon the notion of global conquest/annihilation, when they aren't bright enough to quit producing acid rain for extra corporate/billionaire profits?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Answers:
Paragraph 2: Advertising is most effective when reaching a "targeted" audience. The target will be US and our power grid. Putin doesn't bluster or play games. He is in it to win it. He's got the brains and the guts--two things which NONE of our politicians possess, except maybe Tulsi.
Paragraph 3: The PTB will be unable to restrain the rabble (us 99ers) once US planes fall from the sky as surely as the stock market will fall.
Paragraph 4: Greed is a cancer. It is avaricious narcissism. The only cure is forced residence in a cave, not a posh bunker. Lucrectomy will also ameliorate this cancer, but only temporarily.
Quick question:
Within 1, what is the maximum number of "SCUD" missiles that any serious analyst believes might have been destroyed by PATRIOT missiles during the first Gulf War?
Answer: 1
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Yeah, the Scuds were nothing more
than big grenades on the end of a rocket.
But the Patriots still failed miserably. Some have posited the Tomahawks were old and aged out, like 20 year old bottle rockets found in a garage drawer.
Most would work, some were bound to be duds. In fact, iirc, one did fail on launch. There was supposed to be 60 launched.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
At least the Tomahawks did some good for the Syrian
air force. They got rid of the 'hanger queens'.
@earthling1 Maybe. Or it could be b/c
Remember that the Trump administration let Assad et al know long enough before they fired at them that Assad's people were able to evacuate out of there.
Trump is an asshole, but this isn't the war he wants. He doesn't want to quarrel with Russia over their satellites in the Middle East. He's not interested in that.
He's interested in some other things that freak me the fuck out, but not that.
I still think he only launched that attack to shut the Democrats and their neocon Bush-era warhawk friends the fuck up. (To say nothing of the CIA.)
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I agree with you and what CB says also
I agree too.
I think Mattis and Trump want to destroy ISIS and to assist the SDF in doing so. I think this is what the American military who are in agreement with Michael Flynn also want, not to remove Assad, not to go to war with Iran, and, as far-fetched as it may sound to our neo-nut Media, not to go to war with Russia.
It's the U.S. Neocons, whose allegiance is with Saudi Arabia, who want full spectrum dominance, the destruction of democracy worldwide, and nuclear war. These traitors are just totally and criminally insane.
Very likely. The Saker had a story on that
with maps, or at least one map, showing how the flight paths of the projectiles were altered -- and here is the link: http://thesaker.is/a-multi-level-analysis-of-the-us-cruise-missile-attac...
See the diagram toward the front of the article.
Then, somewhere in the text, in a box quote, this bit of actuality appeared:
@Creosote.
Thanks for the fascinating link and what sounds to me like sense!
Luckily, I was also eventually led to something on the same site which enabled to clean the taste of PTB-triggered vomit out of my mouth with something that made me go holy fuck! and listen to the following twice running:
http://thesaker.is/%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%BD%D0%B5-%D0...
(embedded there, but I wanted to hang onto it so here's the URL on Youtube as well.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngD1LxdvXds
And I think I'm just going to play it again before diving back into Green Day - it's lucky that we can still take a break from the mind-boggling lunacy being inflicted on the world by pathologically greedy and power-hungry ignorami...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
One bad foreign policy decision after another
has put the USA in a very weak geostrategic position. Bush's epic blunder of invading Iraq set the stage for a long downhill roll. Obama's Administration failed to recognize the magnitude of that disaster, or to foresee its almost inevitable consequences. Instead, they continued following the neocon program by underwriting a Ukrainian coup, forcing the disintegration of Libya, and supporting the Syrian jihadis' attempt to destroy Assad's government... all the while continuing to pour billions of dollars into the hopeless quagmire of Afghanistan... Then to top it all off, Obama decides to make a full-frontal assault on Russia herself -- a decision which can only be regarded as be the height of folly.
None of this mindless belligerence has done anything to strengthen America's global standing -- neither militarily, nor economically, and nor politically. All of it has been stupidly counter-productive, and none of it has served America's self-interest. Over the past 17 years, these policies have created almost nothing of value, but they have undeniably destroyed much.
They have also bequeathed to us, in the person of Donald Trump, a functionally illiterate President with a personality disorder, whose only virtue seems to be that the US Deep State, as well as neoliberals of every description, are all adamantly opposed whatever he might want to do. It's a recipe for chaos and dysfunction, no matter how you look at it.
native
And all that money spent on
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Maybe We Should Have Drafted for Defense?
Seems to me that we're only interested in Offense -- in projecting force and deposing governments and that defending America is not really on the strategic and tactical radar. "A good offense is the best defense."
I mean, we keep moving weapons and warriors around the world, turning off the safety and opening fire.
While the Russians are busy setting up National Defense and protecting from invasion, we're creating a bunch of offensive powerhouses, but seem to be missing the boat on Defense.
Interesting tech result of completely different geopolitical strategies.
Offense wins games, Defense wins championships.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
@k9disc Russia is continuing
I have no idea how they habitually deal with China, but in re: Europe, they are mostly defensive-minded and their empire reflects that.
The only thing I can think of that diverges from that attitude is their dealings with Cuba. But we kind of dropped that one right in their lap, didn't we?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The Atlantic and Pacific Oceans
provide most of the defense we really need, unless we're talking about ICBMs.
native
We're Lucky in That Regard, But I Do Believe We Are Severely
lacking in civil defense.
I think the responses to 911, Katrina, BP Gusher in the Gulf, and a few other National Disasters have proven that the President doesn't have any real live top-down authority. It's not like he or she can just make a call and have the civilian government spring into action.
It takes the coordination of tens or hundreds of corporate middle managers, or personal phone calls and favors delivered by the President or some other run of the mill favor currying public official.
So while we do have the natural defenses of amazing national resources, and a large, fairly organized population and situational cultural cohesion for defending ourselves, our infrastructure and civic defense system is gutted -- hollowed out long ago when the Era of Big Government was over.
Now we've got Drumpf calling for the "corporatization" of national Air Traffic Control, and privatization of roads, water, bridges, and internet. Not looking good for protecting our People from all enemies foreign and domestic.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Yes, but we do not need more
aircraft carriers and billion-dollar destroyers for these kinds of projects.
native
Was Looking Up the Programs He's Pushing... Sad.
A bunch of privatization schemes and funding schemes for increased private industry control over public infrastructure -- vital public infrastructure. And the funds are all small dollar on the budget sheet, but large dollars on the profit books and much freedom to roam in the halls of corporate power.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Oh yes, he's turned the sharks loose
to feed on the rest of us. Still, I don't think anyone expected anything else from him.
native
I read your "offensive powerhouses"
as "offensive penthouses" at a fast glance . . .
Very offensive to the serfs
It's pathetic. And for whatever reason,
the US electorate seems either incapable or unwilling to force its representatives to change course. People seem unaware that our much-vaunted Empire is crumbling at its base. It's like a skyscraper undergoing a process of poorly-controlled demolition: The lower floors are imploding, while the top floors remain, however briefly, intact. And they're having a grand old party up there. The Trumps, the Obamas, Bill Gates, Bezos, Branson... the lot of them... all guzzling champagne like there's no tomorrow, signing checks and collecting royalties and then being whisked off in private jets to who-knows-where.
native
@native People know, at least
I'm not sure they care much whether or not our elites continue to prosper.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Though Trump himself doesn’t drink, I hear, because
of his family losing his brother to alcoholism.
@lizzyh7 Well, this is another
When your actual motive is profit at any cost, you're not necessarily going to be selling a lot of good weapons, or a lot of weapons that fit into a sound military strategy. You just want them to be numerous and expensive.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Our military is like a Rolex
In one of the links above
revealed that Putin nationalized over a hundred private Russian defense contractors into one organization, KRET, iirc. This focused on EW systems and cut out the bidding crap and corruption and gave the Russian military more bang for their buck.
Nothing like the threat of a posting in Siberia to help keep efficiency at maximum.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
These were privatized during the Yeltsin years
for pennies on the dollar. At the fall of the Soviet Union there were 4,000 defense related facilities. Most of them were asset stripped or converted to other purposes (one was converted to cigarette manufacturing another sold stripped missiles to theme parks). Putin recognized the importance of them in order to rebuild the military strength of the country so he bought them back and nationalized them.
@native I hate to give him credit
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I do give him credit for that.
It was about the only thing he said that made any sense, but it made a hell of a lot of sense. Unfortunately he seems to have folded like a wet paper towel, as soon as he got any pushback from the MIC. A man of firm principle he is not.
native
But aren't there
people around him? I mean, he's not operating alone, is he? This crazy series of events in which he changes position like a weather vane blown backward, to and fro, from moment to moment, is disturbing to everyone, including the mainstream Media as well as those who share our perspective.
I focus on General Michael Flynn because I think of him as a whistleblower, and I believe if he had stayed on as National Security Advisor, our policy in Syria would have clarified and would have worked along with Russia to end ISIS and the war. But the deep state dispatched with him in no time. I think that's what Trump's current advisors are aware of and have to deal with, that all of them are vulnerable to one or another crazy media campaign that can be launched against them, and so, maybe, they try to stay one step ahead of the war machine while trying to change course at the same time.
May I speculate, Linda?
You are,
as my Grandma used to say, a caution. You and I may both be dreaming. Trump's son-in-law being a family friend of Bibi and THEREFORE a key foreign policy advisor is scary enough on its own to discredit what I'm saying, but I have to believe there are some rational people in our government. Or is the Council on Foreign Relations so worshiped as to be a religious order when it comes to advice?
I don't know. I think your reading of this makes more sense. The Council and their Neocon hitmen are naturally afraid of losing their power. They've killed a lot of people over the last 60 years. If they lose the black hole of defense spending that underwrites their wealth and their power, someone, not you, maybe, and not me, but someone is going to get these people. Fear, more than greed really, is what runs them.
It seems to me that Trump is
indeed, operating virtually alone. That he trusts none of his advisors implicitly and believes, in the face of all evidence to the contrary, that he knows more than any of them. Just this week for example, he directly contradicted and contravened both Tillerson and Mattis, in the matter of the Saudi/Qatar riff -- without even informing them that he was doing so. This created a huge snafu involving both Turkey and Iran, of which The Donald remained blissfully unaware.
Trump's most trusted advisors at the moment appear to be his own daughter and son in law. He threw 100 Tomahawk missiles at Syria because Ivanka watched some idiotic "White Helmets" propaganda video on CNN. None of his foreign policy directives can be coordinated in any systematic way, because he simply refuses to listen to anyone. Or, he'll listen to somebody for a month, and then go off on his own, contradicting everything he said previously, and firing the very people he only recently hired. He is an erratic, untrustworthy, impulsive, unpredictable, and extremely ill-informed President.
Trump does seem to be following some sort of a personal guiding star, but so far it has only led him from one jumbled mess into another. It's possible that he might finally rescue DC's foreign policy establishment by first utterly wrecking the place.
native
I must agree but have a question
Of course she can.
It's not that I think Ivanka is stupid, because I don't believe that she is. Not at all. But she feeds her mind on the same msm bullcrap that the Donald feeds his mind on. Keep in mind that the Donald is functionally illiterate. His entire world view, his basic ethos, is formed almost exclusively by what he is able to garner from watching network teevee. He probably avails himself of certain alt-right Youtube channels, but that's about it.
We are all, more or less, the product of our parentage and associated environmental factors. The Trump family is what it is, and as such it imposes certain conceptual limits upon its members. Individually, I'd say that Ivanka is probably the most free-thinking of them all. Too bad she had to go and marry a Zionist, but even that shows a certain willingness to engage in unconventional thinking.
native
You are such
a clear thinking and eloquent writer, native, I just want to thank you repeatedly. Peace.
@native
From your lips to FSM's cauliflower side-dish ears! Ramen!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@native Mattis was not
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Boy, have you got the Trumpster pegged...
National Sovereignty Is So 20th Century...nt
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
I'm too old to change.
is electronic warfare how
is this how a freighter collided with the uss fitzgerald?
would they tell us if it was?
how could the crew not see a cargo ship approaching?
bygorry
This is precisely what part 2 is concerning
The event of June 17, 2017 is the military version of the Seth Rich murder. We know the players, but the plays have yet to be unfolded.
Sent as a warning
Or perhaps as a little reminder?
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