James Comey fired! Watch out Hillary!

Today at about 5PM EDT, Trump fired Comey. This has already ignited a media firestorm with Democrats stating Trump did it to shut down the Russian collusion story. The Republicans meanwhile are citing Comey's marked failure in handling the Clinton email case and most recently for possible obstruction, by slow-walking the Susan Rice unmasking case.

A brief sampling of the early reports shows the expected divide in the two Duopoly factions accusations. The following does not pretend to be encyclopedic. In fact, this is going to be another long diversion from issues that truly matter to the Americn people like income inequality, austerity, Medicare-for-all/single-payer (MFA/SP), environmental protection, ending of war, etc. So watch the show, knowing it is another perversion of our so-called governance.

Why did Comey get the invitation to leave and don't let the door hit you in the ass treatment? Here is one article offering six reasons for dismissal.

1. He hurt the FBI's reputation--he certainly did.

2. He mishandled the Clinton email investigation--yes, again

3. He broke with tradition--

a "departure from the department's widely respected, nonpartisan traditions."

In that sense he also did.

4. Trump doesn't like him--this is an understandable but illegitimate complaint. Personal animus should not interfere with analysis of whether Comey was doing his job, rather than who was he favoring. You will get debate as to whether Comey favored Clinton (which I think he did) or if he was just doing the best he could due to the pressure-cooker situation in which he found himself.

5. Trump is embarrassed by him--well, yes. That is not hard to do when dealing with a narcissist.

The president recently accused his predecessor, Barack Obama, of wiretapping his phones during the campaign. Comey has shut down this allegation, explaining that Obama could not order a wiretap of anyone's phone unchecked.

Yes, of course this was embarrassing. Trump is largely to blame for this by inartfully expressing surveillance as "wiretapping". Wire tapping is easy to prove or disprove. Trump should think before he tweets. (What a novel concept).

6. Comey knows something about Russia--this is pure bullshit speculation which has not resulted in any proof of political collusion. Business dealings, yes, with non-politicians. This is certainly considered admirable by all the free-marketer neoliberal who so worship "the market". More damn hypocrisy by the DemonRATs.

From a timeline relating to Weiner's sexting/Abedin's transmitting documents comes the following:

May 9, 2017: The Washington Post and Associated Press follow up on ProPublica's article, claiming that none of the emails were designated as classified when sent. The FBI sends a letter to Chuck Grassley, the chairman of the Senate judiciary committee, about Comey's testimony. The letter says that the "hundreds and thousands" of messages Comey referred to included backups and forwarded emails, and investigators looked at 49,000 potentially relevant emails but "ultimately determined that two email chains containing classified information were manually forwarded to Mr. Weiner's account." Ten other chains with classified information were also on the laptop because of backup software, and together all 12 "previously had been reviewed by investigators."

Then, in a surprise twist, Trump fired Comey. The decision apparently came at the recommendation of Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, the latter of whom wrote a memo insisting that Comey needed to be terminated in order to restore Americans' confidence in the FBI after his mishandling of the Clinton probe.

Trump himself wrote in a letter to Comey that the director was "not able to effectively lead" the FBI. "It is essential that we find new leadership for the FBI that restores public trust and confidence in its vital law enforcement mission," Trump wrote. "I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors."

From another article comes statement about FBI officials' criticism of Comey's inaccurate Sentate testimony:

On Thursday, May 4, Comey told the Senate Judiciary Committee that Hillary Clinton’s deputy chief of staff at the State Department, Huma Abedin, “forwarded hundreds and thousands of emails, some of which contain classified information” to her husband Anthony Weiner’s laptop for him to print out.

The problem is, none of the emails were marked classified at the time, and Comey’s description of how the emails ended up on the disgraced former congressman’s computer is inaccurate, according to FBI officials who spoke to the investigative journalism nonprofit ProPublica Monday.

Now this is a sticky point.
1. Hillary directed her staff on occasions to not mark documents as secret when emailed to her unsecured server.
2. Comey's description of the transfer from Medusa to Weiner via Abedin was misleading. He said this action did not show intent.

Advice to fire Comey came from Attorney General Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein:

"It is not the function of the director to make such an announcement [about an investigation]," Rosenstein wrote. "At most, the director should have said the FBI had completed its investigation and presented its findings to federal prosecutors. The director now defends his decision by asserting that he believed Attorney General Loretta Lynch had a conflict. But the FBI director is never empowered to supplant federal prosecutors and assume command of the Justice Department."

Trump's letter to Comey regarding his firing contains:

"While I greatly appreciate you informing me, on three separate occasions, that I am not under investigation, I nevertheless concur with the judgment of the Department of Justice that you are not able to effectively lead the bureau," the president continued. "It is essential that we find new leadership for the FBI that restores public trust and confidence in its vital law enforcement mission. I wish you the best of luck in your future

Rosenstein added further, in a separate correspondence to Trump:

"The way the director handled the conclusion of the email investigation was wrong," Rosenstein wrote. "As a result, the FBI is unlikely to regain public and congressional trust until it has a director who understands the gravity of the mistakes and pledges never to repeat them. Having refused to admit his errors, the director cannot be expected to implement the necessary corrective actions."

Explanation of DOJ's recommendations are found in Rosenstein's letter to Sessions:

Comey had been the subject of a review by the very top of the Trump Justice Department. Newly confirmed Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein penned an extensive memo for Attorney General Jeff Sessions outlining concerns with Comey’s conduct during and after the Clinton email probe.

The memo said “almost everyone agrees that the Director made serious mistakes.” Rosenstein wrote that he could not defend Comey’s handling of the end of the investigation, and could not understand “his refusal to accept the nearly universal judgment that he was mistaken.”

The first count against Comey, according to Rosenstein, was his July 5, 2016 announcement during which he alleged Clinton and her colleagues were “extremely careless” in handling classified material on her personal email and server but also said the FBI would not recommend charges.

The second point at issue in the firing:

The second count against Comey concerned his Oct. 28, 2016 notification to Congress that the bureau was taking another look at the Clinton case in light of newly discovered emails. While Comey has said he did not want to conceal information, Rosenstein said simply refraining from publicizing “non-public information” would not have been concealment.

Reactions of the Hillarites is fear and loathing:

There were few people who despised James Comey more than those political operatives working for Hillary Clinton in Brooklyn during the 2016 campaign. But word of the FBI director's firing was met with fear, not joy, on Tuesday.

Hillary Clinton's office did not immediately respond to a CNN request for comment on Comey's dismissal.

Foreseeable Implications of Comey's departure

In my opinion, this will not hurt Trump at all. The DemonRATs will throw all sorts of verbal missiles about him, alluding to the Saturday Night Massacre (already done by John Podesta), Trump's fear of his TRUE Russian collusion being revealed, and overall general unhappiness with anything Trump. This will have absolutely no impact, except for the MSM, who are already criticizing Trump for anything and everything. Due to Barry Obama's careful cultivation of the Democratic base, the Dem party is too politically feeble to mount a meaningful counterattack.

What this does portend is renewed push to bring Hillary down, now that Lynch, Comey and Bubba are out of the way. The era of Republicans not going all-out to sink HRC and co. is over. Susan Rice will be subpoenaed. Human Abedin will be subpoenaed. Anthony Weiner is probably already in possession of an immunity deal. Obama himself could be subpoenaed because of his use of Clinton's unsecured server and his lies about it.

My guess is that lots of people are going to prison because of this.

My guess is also that the DNC corruption trial will be successful.

If Trump ever wakes up to the fact that Deep Staters still remaining at State are still out to ruin him, he will get Tillerson to do more housecleaning.

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Trump obviously doesn't think so. The Trump admin actions were so apparent it was hard to believe anyone would think it was a nothing burger.

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@the_poorly_educated

What is a nothing-burger?

What do you think you learned from this diary? What do you think the Trump administration thinks?

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@SnappleBC
'nothing burger' and I'm done.

I'd make usage of it in any public discourse a capital offense.

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@Amanda Matthews That puerile term was a favorite among the clintonistas. Whenever I saw it, I thought I had accidentally slipped into a tween chat room.

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But I readily admit I downgrade my assessment of correctness if the person speaking cannot manage to speak at an adult level about adult things. Same rules come for people using names like O'bummer and Killary. My feeling is that these are very important topics and people are dying over them as we speak. We should try to at least simulate adult behavior while addressing them.

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@SnappleBC
Clinton Creature because I REFUSE to entertain the thought that anyone that vile and venal and corrupt enough to be capable of this shit deserves scorn and denigration every chance I get:

Hillary and The Arms Industry

BRIBERY OF SADDAM HUSSEIN’S REGIME:
Last August, the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Department of Justice fined Textron more than $4.6 million dollars as punishment for more than $600,000 in bribes that the company’s David Brown subsidiaries paid to Saddam Hussein’s regime from 2001-2003. Textron paid the bribes to Hussein to obtain contracts within the United Nations’ Oil-for-Food program. [1] The SEC found that Textron’s corporate leadership either knew about the bribes or was negligent in not knowing about them.

In the fall of 2002, Hillary Clinton voted to authorize military action against Iraq, saying of Hussein, “Saddam Hussein is a tyrant who has tortured and killed his own people, even his own family members, to maintain his iron grip on power.”

In 2005 and 2006 she accepted at least $2,000 dollars from Textron’s PAC, whose bribes would serve to further entrench Hussein’s despotic regime and facilitate its ability to perpetrate atrocities against its own citizens and coalition forces. (The amount received from Textron’s employees, and employees of its many subsidiaries could not be determined.)

Providence City Councilman Miguel Luna (D) said, “I find appalling the double standard that allows her to vote for war with Hussein, and also take money from a corporation that was bribing him.” He added, “By taking money from Textron and those who profit from war, she’s committing herself to continuing a foreign policy based on war, and not on dialogue.”

http://providencedailydose.com/2008/02/21/hillary-and-the-arms-industry/

I have often had to go back a censor myself because of the way I referred to the lying, heartless, dishonest money grubbing war whore. Clinton Creature is appropriate in my book because she exhibits NONE of the qualities of a decent, caring, honest, ethical human being.

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@Amanda Matthews She is so venal that words may not adequately describe how horribleness. At a loss for words? I've got plenty and use them freely about Medusa.

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@Amanda Matthews

But honestly I find it very, very hard to get to the bottom of anything in this era of omnipresent lies and deceit. So I try to keep my thinking at serious-adult level while I'm doing the politics thing because it helps me to maintain balance as I wade through the layers of lies looking for something which might possibly be solid ground.

(insert off topic mini-rant here:
Can I just whine about what a goddamn kick in the teeth it is to find out that EVERYONE is lying to you about pretty much everything and they are experienced, well-funded, and pretty damned good at it. WTF? I want to go back into the matrix where that meat was so tasty. This fucking gruel tastes like chicken.
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I also (quite possibly foolishly) nourish this belief that my own words might be more persuasive in "adult-tone".

What everyone else does? That's up to them but the childish insults which are used here at C99 are small change compared to most political sites. The only place I've seen better is a few discussions on Quora. For the most part, this place reads like adult material. For the most part, the posters here sound like people who are worth listening to. That is quite an accomplishment so kudos to JtC.

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@SnappleBC

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And that her testimony is extremely detrimental to Trumps credibility and public image as commander-in-chief and defender of the country's national security. Stop listening to the Trump rhetoric and look at his actions. Guilty as sin. The public doesn't believe DT anymore. It's going to be hard for those Russian web trolls and russian shills to get him out of this one.

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You're asking me to join the herd and be a sheeple. This isn't the right site for that.

I see that you've spun yourself a tapestry of innuendo and supposition. That's pretty much what I see from the Democratic party in general. I am more than happy to consider Trump collusion with Russia but the problem there is that I simply haven't seen any evidence to even begin that speculation. What I've come across so far is more appropriate for the Rush Limbaugh show or Fox News than C99 or (god forbid) my own brain.

NOTE: I haven't looked in the last month or so. I got so fed up with the constant barrage of noise from the Democratic party that I decided I'd just wait until something real happened. So perhaps something real has happened and I haven't been tracking it?

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@SnappleBC
'Someone close to the investigation said..." stage.

I'll be surprised if anything EVER come of any investigation on either of them. This is what happens when two thoroughly corrupt vicious opportunists are what the American public get to chose from to lead this country.

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@Amanda Matthews

Not to defend retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn for his suspect judgment, but it should be noted that his case represents a disturbing example of how electronic surveillance and politicized law enforcement can destroy an American citizen’s life in today’s New McCarthyism.

The testimony on Monday by former acting Attorney General Sally Yates and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper offered no evidence of Flynn’s wrongdoing – those facts were deemed “classified” – yet the pair thoroughly destroyed Flynn’s reputation, portraying him as both a liar and a potential traitor.

Even though no has provided evidence of any wrongdoing on Flynn's part, everyone is believing that he colluded with someone in Russia to reduce the sanctions against them.
I haven't seen any evidence that Russia interfered with the election either. The DNC isn't part of the government and if someone hacked it then the NSA would have known about and that's what the article says.

More in the article.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/official_washington_has_turned_micha...

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

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@Amanda Matthews

If anonymous sources have said it's true then what are we waiting for? Where's the guillotine?

Oh, by the way... A few people close to the Democratic party have told me some really unsettling things about the Clintons so let's make sure we bring multiple blades for the guillotine, eh?

God, it's pathetic that this sort of tripe works on even the weak of mind. Does nobody actually stop to think what the words they just read actually mean?

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@the_poorly_educated is only affirmed by the Clintonista trolls. She was so stupid and arrogant that she told Sen. Cruz she didn't know the import of the US code section he cited as the reason for her dismissal. And after all her bloviation, she finally admitted there was no evidence to support Trump collusion; in doing so she changed her previous testimony at the same hearing. Perhaps she was fearing a perjury charge coming.

Sen. Kennedy made the most telling retort to her about her willful non-enforcement of existing law (which was SOP for Obama) that he asked her "Who appointed you to the Supreme court". No, Sally Yates ranks slightly lower than the Evil Queen in veracity--about the same as Cheryl Mills and Susan Rice.

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@the_poorly_educated where to go to, why doncha go where fashion sits...

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNXd3wX_USc]

Putin on the Ritz!

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by Putin, then I feel sorry for you.

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@the_poorly_educated Nope, none there.

Of course, as they say, One Third of everybody online is a Russian Hacker. Check two people you know personally. If it's not them, it's YOU!

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@the_poorly_educated @the_poorly_educated

He's given us the ol' razzle dazzle!

[video:https://youtu.be/YW3MIixEps4]

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That was beyond priceless.

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@the_poorly_educated Have you no manners? Watch out for the FSB--coming for you, Tovarish.

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@the_poorly_educated It's the one rule that exists. If you can't avoid them, you might be happier elsewhere.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

@the_poorly_educated
You're pushing it. Actually you've pushed it since you first came here over a year ago.

I'm a patient person, but my patience are wearing thin.

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@the_poorly_educated

What, exactly, is a response like that supposed to do? For starters, nobody here is offended by being compared to Russians. We do not see them as the personification of evil. (Or, at least, that's the general sentiment I read).

Secondly, when has hurling childish insults ever convinced anyone of anything... even a child?

Third, do you happen to have any facts handy because I am very sincere when I say I'd love to see them. I have no opinion at the moment as to the Russia thing other than the story has clearly run far ahead of the facts. But it's always possible there are new facts or ones I didn't know. Do you have any?

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to retain gain the executive powers of his presidency. Obummer and Killary have left a lot of moles and sycophants behind when they packed their bags and rode out of town. I believe we will see some more shuffling for position in the deep state agencies.

It sure would be nice if the Trumpeter could fumigate the WH to rid the place of the neocon infestation that the previous rentiers and grifters had allowed welcomed.

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@CB
deal. What was she really up to? What was Obama up to? Who were they trolling when they 'picked up' all this intel regarding Russia? Why were they looking? What was the legal justification? When did they start looking? And how likely is it that the reasons they give are the truth and not an attempt to try to throw the election to the Queen of the pay-for-play money grubbing war whores?

I think Trump is a disaster looking for a place to land. But I don't see him as any more corrupt than the Clinton Creature. I notice she agreed with his bomb dropping forays. As long as people are bleeding and dying they have common ground. If she'd have been elected we'd be up to our ass in WWIII.

Trump no doubt has deep ties to Russia. Deep financial ties. But that has nothing to do with the election or why the Clinton Creature lost. She lost because most of this nation knows her too damn well. And despises her.

Maybe we'll get lucky and an honest broker will be named to lead the FBI and who will 'out' the two of them. (Yeah, I know. That was ridiculous. But one can always hope. Right?)

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@Amanda Matthews I am left with the suspicion that this is all just a matter of which uber-wealthy interests are being served. Trump, unsurprisingly, appears to run with the corrupt russian oligarchs. Clinton & Co. run with the corrupt middle eastern oligarchs. (Not that there isn't cross-over.) And this whole fiasco is about which group of oligarchs is going to win.

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Amazing how the Russian story is not that important to many here. Almost like it's OK to commit treason against the US. HRC is irrelevant in that story. Treason is treason and the DNC story doesn't rise to the level of treason, just to the level of corruption.

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@the_poorly_educated @the_poorly_educated Because if it's true, I don't give a shit.
And if it's not, I also don't give a shit.

Only thing I care about: Are they going to declare war over this?

If yes: I'm against that, no matter what the evidence is.
If no: I don't care which of the oligarchs gets slightly less wealth.

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You take so seriously the tales coming from people who are proven liars themselves.

If you want someone to believe that it wasn't just a quick and dirty lie to cover for the lies and cheating that came out of the Dims emails from Wikileaks, then you guy's best be coming up with some PROOF. Because as it stands right now, the only PROVEN liars are Bill Clinton's Turd Way 'New' Democratic Party. "Someone said" and "a person close to" don't cut it.

EDIT: is/are

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@the_poorly_educated The blatant hypocrisy of the Democrats to uniformly avoid discussing HRC's multimillion dollar bribe from Peter Giustra that induced her to sell 20% of our uranium ore to Russia. If that isn't sedition, please tell me why.

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@Alligator Ed it's a non issue. Remember we've had a two decade deal to process soviet era plutonium into MOX. Enough Soviet plutonium to make 17,000 nuclear bombs. What's a little uranium among frenemies. The plutonium deal was recently suspended 2016 after running 16 or more years.
And furthermore most of your predictions above are not going happen. Clinton people will skate. And Trump is going down, either by self immolation, stroke out or deep state sabotage. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that.❤️

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@Song of the lark Somehow, I missed that in my former life which I wasted on perusing the MSM.

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@Song of the lark

Clinton people will skate. And Trump is going down...

Accurate because this is the United States and that's how we roll. Thus, as you say, no brain surgery necessary.

However, there are outstanding wagers on:

1. How far into the first term will Trump face a legal or humanitarian intervention?

2. What will be the cause?

3. Which Party will lead the charge?

Tricky questions, all.

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@the_poorly_educated this may be old fashioned of me, but I don't approve of hurling serious claims against anyone without proof. Your conduct both diminishes the seriousness of treason by bandying it about so cavalierly and without cause and it demonstrates a basic lack of respect for the dignity of every human being. One's character should not be assailed so dishonestly. There's a long history of your kind of conduct. Yes, it's quite popular in the moment (fomenting rage always has a base appeal), but ignominy is the legacy of those of such low stature. Is that whom you want to identify with?

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@the_poorly_educated do some research on the US intervention to ensure the election of the deeply troubled, probably alcoholic, Yeltsin. Yeltsin was fine with large portions of Russian wealth being absorbed by the global oligarchy. Putin has unforgivably insisted that the proceeds remain with the Russian oligarchy.

Yeltsin had no problem when NATO violated its pledge that it would not advance beyond the eastern border of a united Germany.

Speaking of electoral interventions, Victoria Nuland spent billions of US taxpayer dollars to bring down an elected Ukrainian leader and install, briefly, her BFF Yatz.

Putin is a dictator with no qualm about using violence against opponents. The people we installed in Ukraine are not likely to be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize anytime soon. We've lived with lots of unpleasant dictators. The problem seems to be not that Putin is taking us for fools, but that he refuses to allow Russia to be taken any further.

"I'm a plant from DKOS paid for by the DNC" How much does it pay? I could do it much better than you do.

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@FuturePassed what is good for his country? Oh, sure, he is almost a dictator. But Obama was a patriot!!! BHO fleeced the middle class/homeowner sector in favor of the bankstersw/Wall Street profiteers, plus his multimillion scam speechifying. And BHO decided he doesn't need Congress for him to do stuff, like murdering hundreds of thousand of "terrorists" besides funding Al-Qaeda and ISIS. Moderate Rebels--just as real as Hillary Klinton's empathy.

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@orestes to the real truth of all this.

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@orestes about Saudi Arabia and "business ties" to it, then maybe I'd be down for a real investigation. I know all here know it, but when we flew Saudi's out of this country after being attacked by them it really makes one suspicious. How are business ties to Russian oligarchs any worse than business ties to Saudi despots? And the Saudi's seem to have more than quite enough control over US policies.

But I have to admit, I think Trump has seriously overstepped this time, but maybe that's just my own inability to see this as any confirmed win for him. Sure, he gets to appoint a RWNJ now and that is scary as hell, but the Impeachment calls may just get louder. Maybe he wants that? I'm half joking here but wondering too.

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@lizzyh7 Yes, he has overstepped on plenty of other issues but not this one. A few more years of Comey's ruinous leadership at the FBI and that agency would have become about as well regarded as the Keystone Cops. Only Clintonistas are upset about this. The rest of the country seems pretty much accepting, or downright cheering, this move.

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I guess Bernie is a Clintonista too?

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@lizzyh7
because I agree about the Saudi government. But I think Trump is strengthened by the firing of Comey, even if his reasons for doing it were articulated by Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein, who seems to be rational and committed to justice.

The Democrats appear to think of law as a vague, amorphous, tissue of dissembled possibilities so that nothing they do is illegal because nothing they do is questionable.

Somehow they imply that it's illegal for Republicans to do business in Russia although Bill and Hillary Clinton and their foundation donors do it, all because Russia is supposed to have revealed that the DNC disenfranchised Sanders' voters, which the DNC's lawyer contends is no crime.

So they like James Comey because he's soft on crime. Fine. But they want whistleblowers who reveal the DNC's fraudulent pranks to be killed by drones. Brilliant. So they're tough on the crime of whistleblowing. Wow.

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@Linda Wood

with the Russians is not illegal? That's not what is being investigated.

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@the_poorly_educated
on having said that you and the Democrats "imply that it's illegal for Republicans to do business in Russia."

What you are implying is that it's illegal because it is being done in exchange for Russia winning the election for Trump by causing Clinton to lose the election.

In addition to agreeing with others here that there is no evidence that Russia hacked or gave to an intermediary or gave to Wikileaks any DNC or Podesta emails, I don't believe the emails caused her to lose the election. I hate to say it because I despise her, but Clinton won the election, by quite a bit. The Electoral College caused her to lose the election.

In spite of the emails, and in spite of the pussy remarks, millions of voters voted for Clinton, and millions of voters voted for Trump. They were both despised, they both lost in one sense or another, and the Electoral College elected Trump. Most Americans never read the emails, most Americans don't care what countries Trump does business in. Whoever leaked the DNC emails to Wikileaks revealed the truth to the American people that the DNC was disenfranchising Sanders. Please believe me that if Putin had wanted to destroy Hillary Clinton, he had so many more ways to do it THAT WE KNOW ABOUT, that he could just have REMINDED US ABOUT, that the accusation that he revealed DNC fraud to destroy her is just pathetic.

Elsewhere in this thread there is mention of the Saudi government. Approving the sale of weapons to the Saudi government after accepting a multi-million dollar donation to the Clinton Foundation is treason in my opinion, on so many levels I don't know where to begin. But I agree with you that all of this is about treason. In that we agree.

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@Linda Wood Not treason "business as usual" for last several decades. Trump is negotiating major weapons deal "bigger than ever" at this moment.

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@Song of the lark

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@Song of the lark

Trump is negotiating major weapons deal "bigger than ever" at this moment.

Trump is the President. He can approve weapons sales to the Saudis, just like Obama often did.

Hillary taking personal payola for "opening the door to advanced weapons" for the Saudis, while she was SoS, is another matter entirely.

But then, she wasn't prosecuted when she got caught dealing weapons out of Benghazi to arm a Qaeda in Syria. Doing Deep State work for the Neocons, Israel, and the Sunnis in the Middle East is never a crime. Even when it works against the interests of the American people. That's what the people get for voting in a fauxmocracy.

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@Pluto's Republic but I don't this gun-running out of Syria would have been done without Barry's approval. If she did this on her own, then BHO is much more incompetent than I give him discredit for.

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@Alligator Ed

don't think this gun-running out of Syria would have been done without Barry's approval.

As I wrote about it, I remembered that next morning in the Rose Garden, when an ashen President and a frightened Hillary called a press conference. There are colossal mistakes that happen all the time, we kill thousands of our own troops, but calling an emergency press conference over it is … unusual. I watched and listened. It was very tense. But frankly, I couldn't figure out what the big deal was. They kept stumbling over the reason it happened. Did they lie then about the video? I think they hinted about it. They never looked at each other and both looked scared to me. The actual lying didn't start until the weekend with Susan Rice. I watched and it was outrageous. But I was more curious why Hillary didn't do the Sunday shows. She was in town. It was the one time you never send in a surrogate. I saw things a lot differently after that. Hillary quickly left the State Department, Petraeus was fired, Obama won a second term, no one was prosecuted, and the Republicans went crazy and began the insane Benghazi hearings because they knew something, too. But, it was classified.

The American people were allowed to believe all kinds of misinformation about the incident. Not once did anyone ever step in to clarify anything. Even meaningless details are wrong. There was no video, there was no embassy or consulate operating there, no gates were broken into, no shots were fired. Stevens was probably kidnapped. No one saw him for 12 hours, until his body was dumped at the airport. The shooting attack didn't start until many hours later at a CIA torture house some distance from the mission where Stevens was.

I do not believe that Obama was in the loop during the period when al Qaeda was being armed to fake a real revolution in Syria. That was a CIA operation, so Petraeus knew. He wrote the talking points for Susan Rice.

Nor do I believe that Obama was in on the fake revolution that Vicki Neuland set up in Ukraine. Not from the beginning.

The post WWII era of aggressive war-making chaos is systematically generated out of the State Department, which is Neocon Empire Central. It's where the Pivot to Asia was born along with the TTIF and the TTP. It's where everyone hides behind classified documents. This is were the most deplorable think tanks in DC come calling with their subversive poison. Oversight is insufficient. It's the nest.

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@Pluto's Republic
for this wonderful rant and statement. I think it goes back before WWII, but I thank you for focusing on the State Department's active work on behalf of treason in high places.

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@Linda Wood This is when banksters already profiting from Nazi Germany's increasing demands for industrialization and weapons provided a rich opportunity for them which they did not neglect. That year a cabal of these rats attempted to get Gen. Smedley Butler to organize a military coup against FDR. Fortunately for us and the world Butler had more integrity than the entire Congress (with a few exceptions) has today.

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@Pluto's Republic @Pluto's Republic
the Clinton Creature's gun running exploits from Day 1. Why anyone would think that President Peace Prize wasn't in it up to his neck I will never understand. That guy has no morals or values when it comes to padding his own nest.

Just ask Wall Street. IMO. What they did was an act of treason (they destroyed our economy for their own benefit) and an act of financial terrorism (look at what Wall Street did to the Greece people. And Spain. And Italy.)

Why is Greece chastised for reckless borrowing while the financial institutions that profited for years seem to get off scot-free?
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The launch of the common European currency, the euro, ushered in a period of European financial confidence, and we on Wall Street started to take advantage of another willing fool: European banks. More precisely northern European banks.
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From ‘02 until the financial crisis in ‘08, Wall Street shoved as much toxic waste down those banks’ throats as they could handle. It wasn’t hard. Like the Japanese customers before them, the European banks were hell bent on indiscriminately buying assets from all over the globe.

They were so willing, and had such an appetite, that Wall Street helped hedge funds construct specially engineered products to sell to them, made of the most broken and risky subprime mortgages. These products—the banks called them “monstrosities” and later the media dubbed them as “rigged to fail”—only would have been created if they had reckless buyers, and the European banks were often those buyers.

The European banks weren’t lending recklessly to only the U.S. They were also aggressively lending within Europe, including to the governments of Spain, Portugal, and Greece.

By 2010 one of those countries—Greece—could no longer pay its bills. Over the prior decade Greece had built up massive debt, a result of too many people buying too many things, too few Greeks paying too few taxes, and too many promises made by too many corrupt politicians, all wrapped in questionable accounting. Yet despite clear problems, bankers had been eagerly lending to Greece all along.
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That first furtive bailout of the banks in 2010 introduced and encouraged a narrative of southern borrowers as the victims of only their own incompetence, sloth, and greed. It allowed the banks to play the role of upset parents to immature children

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/398603/

The Empty Suit allowed the 1% to get awaywith the rape and plunder the economies of half the planet. And after that crime spree, he made certain that the people who financed his campaign were made whole again (and got bonuses) and the Great Unwashed got 'austerity' and the trauma that goes with seeing your life being destroyed.

The Empty Suit should be on trial for a multitude of reasons. He killed people in the Middle East the ENTIRE time he was in office. He got his jollies on Tuesday's, the day they updated their 'kill' list. He lied about NSA spying and he renewed policies (Patriot Act, FISA rules, etc.) so that we could continue this pattern of eternal war, an obscenity which the left no longer has any problems or reservations.

I hate hate hate that man not only for what he did or allowed to be done, but also for what he DIDN'T do, which was to be the same guy in office that was out making all kinds of promises to help the 99% on the campaign trail. He wasn't. He was a manipulative, self serving liar who turned this country into a haven for those among us who have the most. And those book deals and speaking fees are his delayed payoff.

Obama is as dirty as Clinton. He just puts a happier face on his corruption.

EDIT: unit/in it

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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@Amanda Matthews But most are afraid to say anything or point it out.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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@dervish If this posted by whomever were to do so in GOS, the ban hammer would fall faster than Obama's approval rating.

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@Pluto's Republic whether it's Russian laundry money for trump or charity donation for Clinton or million dollar speeches for Obama. I don't like it but it seems to be LEGAL. Tell me a way to change it short of chopping heads.

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@Song of the lark With Comey gone, it's going to get some heavy use.

Diablo

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@Linda Wood

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@lizzyh7

http://sept11terrorlitigation.com/pdf/Cantor_Fitzgerald_Complaint.pdf

… 41. The charity and relief defendants named herein were not independent of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Rather, they were funded, authorized, supervised, directed, and/or controlled by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Prince Sultan, Prince Naif, Prince Salman, and the Saudi High Commission for Relief. Each charity and relief organization defendant: (A) raised funds only with the permission of the Kingdom; (B) was funded by the Kingdom directly and through donations made by Prince Sultan, Prince Salman, and other members of the royal family; (C) operated under the auspices of the Supreme Council, the Ministry of Interior, and the Saudi High Commission for Relief; and (D) otherwise functioned as a sponsor of Al Qaeda openly, with full knowledge, endorsement, and/or approval of the Foreign Governmental Defendants named herein…

… Prince Salman associated himself with Al Qaeda by: (1) authorizing, ratifying, supervising, controlling, overseeing and/or directing the Saudi High Commission for Relief and by personally funding it with the knowledge that it was the official Saudi governmental organization charged with collecting and dispersing humanitarian aid and that such financial and material support was being diverted to Al Qaeda; (2) publicly supporting and authorizing state-sponsorship of IIRO and Al-Haramain; and (3) personally funding IIRO and Al-Haramain with the knowledge that such financial and material support was being diverted to Al Qaeda.

… 194. Prince Sultan's, Prince Naif's, and Prince Salman's conduct or participation, directly or indirectly, in the affairs of the Al Qaeda Defendants' enterprise through a pattern of racketeering activity renders them jointly and severally responsible for the damage caused to Plaintiffs' property and business. The uninterrupted flow of financial and material support and substantial assistance enabled the Al Qaeda Defendants to plan, orchestrate and carry out the September 11 attacks. Therefore, the conduct of Prince Sultan, Prince Naif, and Prince Salman proximately resulted in the September 11 attacks...

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@Linda Wood in Syria. Thus the Kingdom of Decapitation and Lithoripsi is our friend because the enemy of my enemy--well, you know the rest.

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@orestes

the US Empire could hardly function. For example, corrupt oligarchs from all over the world have contributed to the Clintons' foundation, and done so without a word of protest from Democrats. It's only when Russian oligarchs are involved, that people get all upset and call it treason. Because, as we're all expected to know by now... Russia bad, America good.

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@native

It's almost like this site is spreading the false propaganda that Trump is being investigated for doing business with Russians. Hmmmm........So defiant.

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@the_poorly_educated

Please, enlighten us.

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@native

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@native was perfectly free to take money from a venture capital fund associated with Putin himself. Apparently dealing with Russians is just fine if you're on the right color-coded team.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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@Amanda Matthews
Xero. Zilch. Nada. It is one great pile of horse manure.

Most of the dealings Trump has had were with Russian oligarchs buying property in the US. Some of these characters had absconded from Russia with their tax-free ill-gotten gains, many of which Putin would like to imprison for fraud (although he did offer amnesty if they came back and paid their back taxes last year).

Meanwhile, top US corporations continue to do considerable business inside Russia. In 2016, the US exported $5.7 billion and imported $14.5 billion. The US gets 80% of its titanium from Russia. Boeing has a joint manufacturing plant to make its titanium parts (landing gear, bulkheads, etc) for the planes it manufactures in the US. Starbucks has 100 stores. McDonald's is opening 50 new stores in 2017. Of the top three investment banks in Russia, two are American - Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan. These banks have got hundreds of millions of investments in shopping malls and high-rises (2016 was their best year yet) far outstripping what the Trumpeter could do. They have the connections and the money.

Russia's oil giants don't need American oil companies. They already have partnerships with France's TOTAL, Italy's ENI, Norway's STATOIL and British BP, all of which have the latest technology. Meanwhile, Russia's oil companies are well on their way to master these same skills domestically. Russia's real tough oil shale and deep-water plays are high hanging fruit that requires oil to be well above $80 to be viable. There's plenty of low hanging fruit available to keep their markets satisfied for a long time yet.

I repeat, the entire Russiagate is a big nothing-burger that Killary's inside team invented to escape taking responsibility for her ignoble failure at the polls. Americans are inoculated since birth to be afraid, very afraid, of the big bad bear. It's gone on since 1950 so it's part of their DNA make-up.

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@CB gifts - the Vietnam war, the Korean war, the complete discrediting of anything even resembling or sounding like Socialism in this country, the continued need to police the world so we can show we're "tough on Communism, the "update" to our nuclear arsenal. On and on one could go. My own Tea Party Repugnant parents are still scared of that Bear even after their deaths, I am sure.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

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@lizzyh7
especially those connected with the War Defense Department.

BTW, I am young enough to have had personal experience with Bert the Turtle. I thought it was a joke then and still feel the same now. I guess I never grew up. Pleasantry

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@CB but does not one see the dastardly plan hatched here in the US to fatten and poison the Russians?

McDonald's is opening 50 new stores in 2017

Good grief, they'll be dropping like flies in the next 10 years without any nuclear explosions.

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@CB

for that Bert the Turtle film to be re-issued and run on the teevee networks. As a public service, so to speak.

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@Amanda Matthews

You confused about why Trump si under investigation. Nobody believes the Russinas haven't donr this before. What is new is that Trump is being investigated for making deals with the Russians aka quid pro quo, ith the Russians for their help in trying to help him win. Why is everyone playing dumb on this site?

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@the_poorly_educated The proffered reason is treason. But the basis for this whole nonsense is crybaby Hillary's claim that the Russians cost her the election--this is pure politics, not secrets of State. In the case of Trump colluding with Russia, the case is pure crap. No proof. None after 18 months. If one listens to Rachel Madcow, which I no longer do, she would have Trump hung by his cajones in the US until buzzards picked his cadaver bare. (Thanks Rachel for your sensible, unbiased reporting).

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@Alligator Ed

Is anone paying attention to what is going on or are you getting your info from Glenn Greenwald?

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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho

@the_poorly_educated
and a pacifist, I take hope in the struggle of Michael Flynn. I think it is possible he is requesting immunity because he was involved in Camp Bucca and because as Director of the DIA he objected to our government's support for the Gulf States establishing a Salafist caliphate in Syria and has since gone public about it, which may constitute a violation of a technical kind. I see him as a whistleblower.

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/headtohead/2016/01/transcript-michae...

… Mehdi Hasan: [INTERRUPTING] Well, let me quote you your former colleague, Major General Douglas Stone, who ran the US –

Michael Flynn: [SPEAKING OVER] That's Doug Stone, right.

Mehdi Hasan: - detention system in Iraq. He said, he called the US prison system, "A Jihadi university that was breeding more terrorists".

Michael Flynn: Yeah, I believe that, and he ran 'em. I believe that. I -

Mehdi Hasan: [INTERRUPTING] So it's not just the Iraqis as you just said, it's the Americans.

Michael Flynn: - I went down there – well, I mean, what we did was we allowed, we allowed things to happen in those prisons and those detention facilities in Camp Cropper and Camp Bucca to where guys like al-Baghdadi spawned...

https://levantreport.com/2015/05/19/2012-defense-intelligence-agency-doc...

… Astoundingly, the newly declassified report states that for “THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES, AND TURKEY [WHO] SUPPORT THE [SYRIAN] OPPOSITION… THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A DECLARED OR UNDECLARED SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY IN EASTERN SYRIA (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPPORTING POWERS TO THE OPPOSITION WANT, IN ORDER TO ISOLATE THE SYRIAN REGIME…”.

The DIA report, formerly classified “SECRET//NOFORN” and dated August 12, 2012, was circulated widely among various government agencies, including CENTCOM, the CIA, FBI, DHS, NGA, State Dept., and many others.

The document shows that as early as 2012, U.S. intelligence predicted the rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS), but instead of clearly delineating the group as an enemy, the report envisions the terror group as a U.S. strategic asset.

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@Linda Wood
on Flynn's outspokenness about policy:

https://geopolitics.co/2015/12/22/dempseys-pentagon-aided-assad-with-mil...
London Review of Books Vol. 38 No. 1 · 7 January 2016
Military to Military: US intelligence sharing in the Syrian war
Seymour M. Hersh

Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, director of the DIA between 2012 and 2014, confirmed that his agency had sent a constant stream of classified warnings to the civilian leadership about the dire consequences of toppling Assad. The jihadists, he said, were in control of the opposition. Turkey wasn’t doing enough to stop the smuggling of foreign fighters and weapons across the border. ‘If the American public saw the intelligence we were producing daily, at the most sensitive level, they would go ballistic,’ Flynn told me. ‘We understood Isis’s long-term strategy and its campaign plans, and we also discussed the fact that Turkey was looking the other way when it came to the growth of the Islamic State inside Syria.’ The DIA’s reporting, he said, ‘got enormous pushback’ from the Obama administration. ‘I felt that they did not want to hear the truth.’

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@Linda Wood a simple two word phrase "radical Islam". Strange isn't it, that Hussain Obama couldn't put those two words together.

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@Linda Wood In our government, it is dangerous to tell the truth.

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@the_poorly_educated and it's not worth a bucket of spit unless you can both prove it and do something about it.

Good Luck.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

@the_poorly_educated

OK, I give up on guessing, lol. Since it's so often been said that Hillary won the popular vote and that it was the Super Delegates who handed the election to Trump, why, exactly, would Trump's billionaires need any help from the Russians to, potentially/theoretically, out-bribe the Dem's billionaires for SD votes to encourage the Super Delegates to do so?

Are the Super Delegates being investigated to discover the source/nationality of any bribes they may have received for this purpose?

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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As I view the Democratic non-progressive, apathetic to the needs of the masses, neocons to be our worst enemy.

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"Make dirt, not war." eyo

@mhagle

I think we have more shills/trolls than regular users.

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@the_poorly_educated

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for igniting media firestorms. It likely serves as a kind of recreational activity for him, like playing golf, or firing subordinates. Why would anyone surprised that Comey got the axe? The guy was not exactly a popular figure to begin with, and watching him waffle and stumble his way through the election was anything but inspirational.

I agree, this won't hurt Trump a bit. Soon enough he'll find some suitable RWNJ to replace Comey, thereby exciting yet another media frenzy, and giving liberal comedians even more material to work with.

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@native Whoever that is, Hillary, you've been greenlit. Expect no mercy. First will come DWS, Brazile, Rice, Podesrta, Mills, and then YOU will have centerstage, just as you've always wanted. The DNC fraud hearing may be the death knell for the Dem establishment. Maybe not. But a huge number of would be donors (amongst the smaller donors) will be very adverse to contributing to a Dem again, particularly on the national level. DSCC and DCCC are going to take a big hit as their part in the anti-Bernie collusion is also apparent and will become mores when this DNC litigation goes into deposition stage. This will be a good time to be a criminal lawyer in DC.

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@Alligator Ed

Man, that sure sounds like a nice dream but I can't see the duopoly actually shredding itself for real. That's typically done for show only.

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A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard

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@SnappleBC that the big time donors to the Clinton campaign were very upset that she managed to lose. I wonder if they will stay away from Presidential politics on any grand scale the next round, regardless of who runs on the Democratic ticket, and continue to prop up those Dems who are reliable to the oligarchy.

With diminishing returns, when does a massive investment in a losing party cease to be worth it? We may be close right now with the Democratic party having zero influence in the executive and legislative branches.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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@gulfgal98
after she lost the election and that's where most of the foreign donations went to.
If Hillary could have connections with the many countries in the Middle East and elsewhere, then what's the big deal if Trump does business with Russia
As noted upthread, many businesses are doing business with them including Boeing which got the deal during Hillary's time as SOS. After she finagled a deal for them they gave a few million to her foundation.
I wonder how much money she got from who ever when she helped broker a deal letting Russia have 20% of our uranium?

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

@snoopydawg

It's the quid pro quo with the Russians for helping Trump scam social media. That's treason.

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@the_poorly_educated [video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4]

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

@detroitmechworks

I guess you're OK with TASS being the only press allowed in the WH today?

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