Seven views of the Gen. Flynn resignation
When the Truth is suppressed, conspiracy theories flourish.
gjohnsit wrote an excellent essay about the relevance of General Flynn's resignation to the Deep State. He calls Donald Trump a sock puppet for the elites. This may be true, but if it is true, then it must be admitted that are several factions within the elites, that this overarching entity is not so monolithic as usually believed. The more this Trumpian governance has continued, the more convinced I am that my view is correct. Of course I believe it, why else would I promulgate such a view, but this somewhat fractured nature of the Elite is certainly not mine alone and I definitely did not conceive of this nuance myself.
Because the "story" of the Flynn resignation is so tenuous, I will outline the basics. Various details are amplified in the citations below, so this is but my snapshot summary of the facts generally agreed upon:
1. General Flynn is no choir boy. He's been involved in several unsavory situations, including a prior stint in one of the intelligence agencies.
2. General Flynn has been known to disagree openly with those in power: e.g., advising Obama that his Syrian policy was incorrect and doomed to failure. Although Obama gave him the boot, the General proved correct.
3. Some person(s) leaked illegally recorded conversations that Flynn had with the Russian Ambassador. Here the story gets murky, except that all but one of the views cited below conclude that the subject was anti-Russian sanctions by the US.
4. General Flynn misrepresented the subject of these conversations to VP Pence.
5. Misleading the VP, although politically a stupid act, is not illegal. Nor would be the mere discussion of sanctions with the Russian Ambassador be illegal if Flynn did not promise to take specific actions.
6. Pence informed Trump about the misleading story. What is not clear is whether the fact that the story misleading Pence came before or after the leaked conversations were released to the media.
7. Trump tells Flynn: nice knowing you, goodbye.
So what is this really all about? Is it about lying to Pence? Absolutely. Is it about talking to the Russian Ambassador at all--maybe it depends on how McCarthyite the opiner is. Is it about secret policy decisions made before Trump took office? Absolutely not because Trump was not in office nor had Flynn been approved for his security position.
So what is afoot here? Depends who you listen to or read these days. This becomes more difficult in these days of Fake News, Alternative Facts, internet trolls, and an orchestrated mynah bird media.
For us as a community, with our relatively refined but certainly not uniform knowledge of current events, we have learned to learn from multiple sources and choose the scenario that seems most consonant with the Truth (which in itself is quite a philosophical problem). But, sticking to the common usage of "Truth" as the universally observable (as opposed to the universally believed) situation in current affairs, it becomes quite difficult to concisely advise interested but unknowledgeable people as to how to find the truth through the current media, whether corporate or independent.
Since the Political Compass, despite its flaws, seems to be a better way to describe tendencies, I will try to avoid the terms "right" and "left", although I'm sure there may be a few literary relapses in this essay.
Starting with what I consider the most extreme view of the "deeper" reasons for Flynn's ouster, connecting it all to pizzagate comes this video. Basically Flynn was forced out to prevent impending arrests of the mainly Democratic denizens of the pedophile world. I find the rationale presented strained at best and truly out of touch with most observers from whom I have cited.
One interesting follow, whose politics I find difficult to pigeon hole (a bad thing to do anyway) is Libertarian-like Lionel Nation who contends that the anti-Trump deep state color revolution is the reason. No, he doesn't mention George Soros, either directly or indirectly, but those cognizant of the orange, tulip, and other "colored" revolutions must surely think about Soros in this context. The point Nation makes is that the Clintonite establishment working with the "intelligence agencies" are plotting to undermine Trump's government by forcing one resignation after another. Tillerson might be a target because of his friendly terms with Putin and company.
It seems obvious to me that this anti-Russia hysteria, initially conceived as a cover-up for Medusa's incompetent campaign and loathsome persona, has now morphed into a monster, intent upon worsening Russian relationships and providing an impetus for more military spending to combat the Bear's grave threat. Apparently, Flynn agreed with Trump as to the need to rein in or dismantle NATO altogether.
From the Alex Jones axis comes the opinion of Dr. Pieczenik, expert and developer of modern US military Psyops, that the removal of Flynn was planned in advance by Trump. This sounds absolutely preposterous to me. Such an apparently weak-kneed cave-in to the MIC-Intel-Clinton factions sets a very poor precedent for Trump, whether you approve of Flynn or not. Sometimes Pieczenik is full of half-truths and presents himself to be an insider in the Trump administration, whether true or not.
Heading over to the more "progressive" media, I found this short video ( the aforesaid intelligence-Clintonite cabal is, as have other commenters cited here, viewed this as the Deep State striking a strong destabilizing blow to Trump. I can certainly agree to that.
The Sane Progressive, Debbie, frankly and honestly admits befuddlement as to what is going on. But she, like myself and others, believe indeed this is the attack of Deep State. This video is additionally valuable because it includes the entire recent Fox news interview of former Representative Dennis Kucinich who overtly states this whole thing reeks of deep state.
Finally, in the tradition of good story-tellers, I have saved the best for last. This is an interview of Glen Greenwald on Democracy Now with Amy Goodman. GG has the most comprehensive and deepest understanding of this whole resignation. If you do not watch any of the other videos, watch this one.
My take: Love Trump or Hate Trump, he needs to show some backbone in standing up to the intelligence-Clintonite faction. Hopefully he will be a quick learner, despite some like Lionel, who feels Trump hasn't got a clue. We need an end to corporatist domination of our so-called Democracy. We need to stop making war. We need to eviscerate NATO (gradually) once it can be determined that Russia will be a partner and not a foe. This partnership does not mean that the Bear and the Eagle have to agree on every issue. Such a thought is ridiculous. But it would be a start to reduce the militarism in this country.
Such a militaristic dissolution most certainly will not be accomplished under Trump. He'll simply divert war-fighting funds to other "Defense" projects. The current DemocRATic party is now a Republican-light Fascist Party, irrevocably incapable of repair. But first the War Cabal must be checked.
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The recent 2 day NATO summit produced these warlike
actions: NATO troops will be stationed, or beefed up, in Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia; deployed to Romania; and the NATO naval forces augmented in the Black Sea. NATO named Russia as the main threat to peace. NATO is entertaining membership "requests" from Georgia and Moldava which would further hem in Russia and is an action aimed at provoking Russia.
Trump wants European countries to pay 2% of their GDP on defense which few do except the UK. The USA spends well over 3% of GDP which does not count the militarized Dept of Energy and some of the intelligence agencies and their operations.
Russia is a capitalist country, a bandit capitalist country pretty much like the USA has devolved into. If the fight is over mideast oil - Why mideast when it's Western Asia? - then the fight is over who can do more to abet climate change and murder millions of innocent people.
I feel that it is telling that Trump chose Pence over Flynn. After all, the VP has no constitutional duties other than to preside over the Senate & Trump could have told Pence to go warm his butt presiding there and that he'd be called if needed. Trump chose Pence.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
It appears the view of many is that Trump has caved into the
deep state and it's game over. The Saker wrote an article stating it's over, the deep state has won, Trump betrayed Flynn, etc.
He certainly didn't put up much of a fight if he thinks Flynn was railroaded and his latest statements about Russia seem like he's falling in line. So far he has shown no backbone on this and it doesn't appear he will. Unless Trump changes his tune on Crimea, nothing will change.
http://thesaker.is/the-neocons-and-the-deep-state-have-neutered-the-trum...
Trump is pretty good at changing his tune
to suit any and all occasions. His stated policy positions evolve like a medley of disparate tunes - they don't need to stick with any single unified composition. Thus he can start out singing "Yankee Doodle", and then a month later it will have morphed into "I Did It My Way". He provides a little something for everyone. What's not to like?
native
"We're on a Highway To Hell" seems to be a Trump favorite
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l482T0yNkeo]
Beware the bullshit factories.
Mike Whitney has a great
Mike Whitney has a great article at Counterpunch laying it out as Trump caving to Deepstate. Sobering. Incredible shrinking Trump..
"The Flynn fiasco is not about national security advisor Michael Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador. It’s much deeper than that. It’s about Russia. It’s about Putin. It’s about the explosive rise of China and the world’s biggest free trade zone that will eventually stretch from Lisbon to Vladivostok. It’s about the one country in the world that is obstructing Washington’s plan for global domination. (Russia) And, it’s about the future; which country will be the key player in the world’s most prosperous and populous region, Asia."
Trump wasn't following the Deepstate script so he was slapped down publicly. Embarrassing for him. Instructive for us; pulled the curtain down, so to speak.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/02/17/blood-in-the-water-the-trump-revo...
Deepstate reigns. All hail...; Hillary wins...
I wouldn't count Trump down and out just yet.
It's still early days. No doubt he got a wake up call though.
native
The problem with the "Deep State" is even worse than Flynn
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxSwH8B31w]
The "Deep State" wants to be on a War footing with Russia. Everything is being orchestrated for this Warfare policy design.
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1963 Repeated?
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bVtPuZSfOE]
Thanks for these videos.
Interesting things in the Jimmy Dore piece include the fact that Dennis Kucinich is given space to make these strong points on Fox News (!) and the comments about Christopher Hayes' good question about Flynn's possible words with the Russian ambassador. The good question, as I heard it, was, if Flynn encouraged the Russian government not to over-react to the Obama administration's sanctions, why would that be a bad thing. Good question.
Even if it turned out to be technically illegal to speak to them at all about policy, or about their reaction to policy, if he encouraged them not to freak out, the only people who would theoretically be opposed to that would be people who wanted them to freak out or who wanted Russia to ratchet up the conflict.
And, about the Kennedy conflict
with the CIA, I hope you will have an opportunity to read David Talbot's, The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government.
Allen Dulles, along with his brother, who became Secretary of State, was lead attorney for the American companies and banks that re-armed Germany before WWII and financed, fueled, and industrially maintained the German war machine for the duration of the war. They, and the leaders of their client companies not only went Scot free, they became leaders in our government and on Wall Street, and of course Allen Dulles became head of the CIA. His legacy is that the CIA has supported and enabled fascist butchers worldwide ever since. Shortly after Kennedy fired Dulles, he was assassinated.
Big fan of David Talbot
I do have David Talbot's book "Brothers" about Robert Kennedy's private suspicions about what forces killed his brother.
The Allen Dulles book I'm sure is good, and very critical to understanding what happened to this Country.
If Trump does not reform the CIA "big league" ... it may be the last chance to have anyone in there who would even consider trying to.
I'm not as concerned as I was initally...
about a deep state coup succeeding.
The blowback from the resignation was greater than expected and really shined a light on the spooks and their methods - which, of course, is anathema to covert ops.
Not that there still isn't a threat here, but time is not on the neocon's side and their overreach on Flynn has alerted a lot more people to the danger.
As far as Flynn goes, doesn't sound like Trump was too upset about him leaving (perhaps he really was a loose cannon - even for Trump), although it is kind of questionable why Donnie would ditch his intelligence chief just to protect the fee fees of his VP. Knowing Pence's proclivities, that to me is almost as scary.
I just wish the old guard would give up the ghost so we can get on with the business of criticizing Trump over real issues. It is truly annoying that these fifth columnists are so awful they make Trump seem sympathetic by comparison.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Mike Pence's role in the Flynn affair
is somewhat obscure, but I think it might be the key to understanding what happened and why. Pence himself is a bit of a mystery, as to the reason why Trump chose him for VP, and as to how much influence he has within the Trump administration. He has not received a lot of scrutiny, but I suspect he may wield more power than is apparent... though I don't know from exactly where it might originate.
Why did Trump find it so necessary that Pence be informed of Flynn's exploratory talks? Normally a VP would not claim the authority to demand he be informed of such activities.
Pence has long been very close to McCain & Graham, which would seemingly make him an uncomfortable fit with Trump, especially in regard to foreign policy. Something of an odd man out, perhaps. Could this be a case of "beware the quiet man in the back of the room" ?
native
Perhaps Pence was assigned
to the vp position as a sort of multipurpose choke-chain and conduit by various parties of interest.
@Creosote.
That's my working theory, speaking as One Who Knows Nothing. But he was too much like Hillary's VP pick not to make one wonder...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Wait, wait, I've heard this one before.
Military Superpower...
Unbeatable in an open war,
Poised to start a new era that will redefine the power structures of the world and willing to silence all opponents with overwhelming force...
Then inexplicably, chooses to Invade Russia...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qileP4bAzek]
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
@detroitmechworks
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Hitler never played Risk when he was a kid....
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
New this morning from AFP:
NATO to boost naval presence in Black Sea
Trump's problems with the Deep State started when he said that NATO was obsolete. That's an unacceptable position to Graham, McCain and the "defense" industry.
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
There's also the PNAC and Full Spectrum Dominance.
It's almost a religious fervor among the neocons; maybe we could call it a cult. Inconveniently, Russia isn't willing to be dominated. They tried that under Yeltsin, turned national resources (on the advice of our Wall Streeters) over to vulture oligarchs, and saw their life expectancy drop suddenly by five years. Like what we're starting to see in our country. Not again. They've also been invaded repeatedly, and say they won't fight on their own land again. What does that leave?
In the pursuit of Full Spectrum Dominance, they've decided that nuclear war would be survivable (for the favored few), and that a first strike would be acceptable. If we know that, certainly Russia does, too. Whoever strikes first - well, nobody wins - but at least might lose less, and the neocons seem to think that's fine. The rational thing to do, though, if you know someone is determined to attack you, is to attack first. Oops. So far, thank goodness, Putin hasn't taken the bait. And Trump has said publicly, no first strike.
Big stakes, here.
Since the 1990's it has been the US as the aggressor
by moving NATO right up to Russia's borders.
Bush unilaterally scrapped the ABM treaty in 2002 and announced a missile shields policy. Obama started deploying these new missile systems right on Russia's doorstep under the pretext of protection from Ian's non-existent long range ballistic missiles. This raison d'être no longer exists but Obama still continued with deployment. It is obvious, that in practice, the missiles were really intended for Russia. Unlike Russia, the US has no policy concerning the use of first strike with nuclear weapons. It is purposely left ambiguous.
In response Putin has returned to M.A.D. as originally outlined by McNamara as the best response to these foreign threats from a nuclear armed country. Russian nuclear ballistic missiles have been upgraded and can now strike the US from any direction, even from the south pole.
I think the US MIC, in concert with the neocons, is attempting to bolster defense spending (fighting terrorism is relatively inexpensive compared to fighting Russia or China) hoping Russia would respond in kind and lead to a new arms race (that policy had helped to destroy the USSR).
But, Putin has not taken the bait. He feels his country is currently well prepared to counter attack using nuclear weapons in response to any overwhelming military attack and has said so. He is so confident that he has reduced defense spending by 30% down to $45 billion. To put this in perspective, the US is so paranoid of internal attacks/strife it now spends $88 billion/yr on Homeland Security.
@CB It's not just paranoia,
It's not just paranoia, though, of course--it's also the ugliest kind of budget justification.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Follow the money.$500 billion Tillerson deal in shitter now
Any discussion without including Tillerson's/ExxonMobil's 500 billion dollar oil drilling deal with the rich of Russia would be missing the point. The MSM has said very little about Obama's last minute sanctions on Russia which screwed over the deal which means the MSM is in on perpetuating the corporatocratic structure this country lives under. It's SO obvious why Flynn was talking to Russia about lifting the sanctions. 1/2 trillion is the answer. FOLLOW THE MONEY...... Trump isn't draining the swamp any time soon.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
Tillerson won't benefit from any future Exxon deal w/ Russia
Putin is not especially concerned with Exxon being cut out due to sanctions. Italy's ENI, Norway's Statoil and France's Total are all currently doing business within Russia. Some have used Chinese funding to get around some sanctions. These companies are major offshore drillers so Exxon will not be missed. They have been offered the very same terms as Exxon. Exxon currently does business in Russia.
Rachel Maddow and Democracy Now have put out misleading information. What you need to watch is Exxon pushing for pipeline from Canada and it ramping up fracking operations inside the US. Heavy oil and condensates from fracking go hand-in-hand. Keep on watching the Russia/Exxon side show and you will miss the main feature. Exxon's ramping up US oil production will actually hurt Russia by bringing prices down - again.
The Russian government needs oil income from nationalized oil companies to pay for domestic services such as pensions and to balance its budget. To ensure social funding, Putin cut defense spending by 30% for 2017 down to $45 billion.
You have it backwards.
Putin doesn't need Exxon, Exxon needs Putin. It's the reason Flynn was talking to Russia.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
Exxon doesn't NEED Russian oil just as Russia doesn't NEED
Exxon. There are plenty of other players in the field. The following shows what the Exxon Neftgas deal was to be.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2012/05/07/in-russian-oil-...
The remaining 20% share in Neftgas that Exxon was to get has already been sold to Qatar. It's too late for Exxon now - has been for a long time. This Exxon/Russia crap is much ado about nothing. Lots of other places for Exxon to make its dirty money - Nigeria, Equatorial Guinea, Chad, Liberia, USA. Losing out in Russia is just business as usual in this highly competitive business.
http://fortune.com/2016/12/08/russia-rosneft-qatar-glencore-oil/
The real prize for Exxon is right inside the US. Get prepared for massive fracking and the pipelines to go with it. This is what the people should concentrate on, instead of "look over there".
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/16/502337471/usgs-announc...
http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/energy/natural-gas/operations/xto-ene...
@CB
And there's the reason for TPTB hatred and fear of Russia and their need to 'get' Putin. The nerve of a country's leader cutting military spending to ensure his people's basic needs are met! What a horrible, double-plus-ungood example for any people to see, especially the impoverished citizens (of the richest country in the world) about to become more impoverished to counter this nefarious threat of pensions for the people in another country.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Good point. Maybe Tillerson's philanthropic organization
which has yet to be initiated will get a nice donation AFTER any oil deal, a la C.G.I. No quid pro quo here folks--at least one you can prove. If there is going to be that kind of corruption, I would rather it would be in terms of peace rather than war with Russia.
Thank you, Alligator Ed,
for this essay. Flynn's history, from Camp Bucca to his time as Director of the DIA, is a crucible of the Deep State and its relationship to the American Military, when our Military is finding out that our Deep State is arming our enemies.
dfarrah linked us to this great article by Robert Parry this week:
This, I think, is the real danger to the Deep State, the American Military turning on them. And sadly, it's going to have to be people like Flynn, who have been part of the problem, and have therefore seen the treason and the atrocities, who will be in a position to bring the Deep State down.
@Linda Wood So pathetic, to see the
So pathetic, to see the Left become, in my lifetime, the CIA's little Robin
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
CIA back in Trump's pocket? AP report.
Maybe Trump is learning on the job--by doing it.
Pompeo is a hard ass but I think he is definitely pro-Trump. Through how many layers of the CIA rabbit hole Pompeo can penetrate is the question.
@Alligator Ed Indeed. You have a way
Indeed. You have a way of getting to the heart of things.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@CB
But is this factual or the CIA (or someone else) lying again? My instinct is to not trust any of these routine liars further than my estimated hurling range of the buggers, dunno why...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
oops.
I wanted to post in response to the main essay rather than in response to a particular comment, but I think I screwed up. Sorry.
Isn't it possible that
the deep state isn't as divided as some believe? And that Trump is one of them? He acts in bizarre ways and it is difficult to see a clear pattern if following the day to day path his talk and twitter messages take. Could that be by design? Did he not say that he expects Russia to give back Crimea? Isn't he being confrontational with China? Isn't regime change back on the table in Syria? I don't see big change in our foreign policy, other than in spasmodic and garbled rhetoric.
The only way I can see
Donald Trump connecting to the CIA and the Military Industrial Complex is in that those entities ensure the wealth of the untouchable billionaire crowd. I don't mean they ensure it by protecting our country or even our capitalist system by military means. I believe they ensure it by creating the ever-expanding black hole of unaccountable federal payments to corporate contractors, whose stock values float the wealth of international investors.
In other words, we, the American taxpayers, float their ill-gotten gains through our fear-induced, unknowing enslavement to "Defense" spending.
Article about the DIA report
Flynn speaks to, and the reason he is most despised by the Deep State neocon PNAC cabal:
From the Transcript
of the Michael Flynn interview with Al Jazeera, again, key assertions that our support for endless war is wrongheaded:
No wonder Flynn got the axe. Pointing out that we need
more than a military response in dealing with terrorism is anathema to Pentagon thinking for the last 2 decades. The Pentagon believes the terrorists can be better used as a tool in the Middle East. This would explain the schizophrenic behaviour of the USG towards similar terrorist groups in differing countries.
Take note on how some jihadist groups became "rebels" and some became "terrorists" dependent on their purpose in their respective countries: "need to be packaged appropriately for public consumption"
Of course these assholes don't give a shit to what happens to the hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children caught in the middle - just more collateral damage. You have to be a sociopath/psychopath to have a successful career in the Pentagon or CIA.
Telling the truth in Washington, District of Corruption
has always been risky:
What the DC power brokers need is deflection and fake news. Who better to supply that than Killary and Podesta?
Two of the points you make are
vital to our discussion of this issue. First, from your link,
And we could add Afghanistan. If Samantha Power wants to deluge us with evidence of Assad's crimes against humanity, I am here to listen. But the reason she has no credibility for me, even if her evidence about Assad is true, is that I am waiting for her to show me what we have brought to the people of this region as an alternative. We have replaced the scary dictatorships of Yemen, Syria, Iraq and Libya with HELL ON EARTH.
Secondly, what you say here is absolutely true and crucial to our understanding of this conflict:
Our foreign policy is the work of sociopathic killers, not normal people.
@CB Because the military
Because the military-industrial complex is, IMO, driven by the industrial side, not the military side. Its eternal lust for maximized profit is driving the wars.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Linda Wood
Public/private? Or just saying what he thinks his audience wants to hear? Or perhaps rethought his original strategy on gaining more information or possibly several ghostly visitations over Christmas causing a sudden change of heart?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Judicial Watch is going after the Flynn transcripts, etc.
And Wikileaks is promising a "vault" of releases targeting the CIA. I can hardly wait.
Assange better stay away from open windows...
@CB Anybody have any idea
Anybody have any idea HOW Ecuador is managing to hold off the might of the Five Eyes?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Corrrea is now being attacked from both the left and the right
due to CIA operations and US financed NGO's. These will undoubtedly escalate in the coming months. The truth coming out with the help of the intertubes may help him. Thirty years ago he would have just been killed and a replacement installed.
The fucking State Department in the US has no shame. The rape and pillage of foreign countries continues using lies and deception.
@CB Wait a minute...
Wait a minute....the US is worried about Ecuador's press being overly partisan?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Equador is neither exceptional
nor indispensable -- we are. Therefore when we provide indispensable aid to Equador, its Government should accept it gratefully, or face the consequences of our disapproval. Consequences that are known to have often been exceptionally grave.
native
@native
Actually, didn't Kerry essentially have that conversation with Correa after that unpleasant little incident involving NATO more or less taking the airborne Bolivian president hostage? I seem to recall a lot of South American countries getting a bit hot under the collar about that tiny, tiny diplomatic snafu. Correa said a few things that you Do Not Say to Us, and Kerry had to remind him who was the superpower here (wish he'd done that with the Saudis).
Am I making this up? Anybody else remember it?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Reply to Alligator Ed
You might be a bit too quick to dismiss the pizza angle to Flynn resignation:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-14/hillary-clinton-references-pizz...
If these tweets are genuine, how bizarre is it that the taunting would take this form? I thought it was supposed to be all about being too cozy with Russia.
The FBI said it is not going to persue charges against Flynn
It seems that whatever he talked to Russian officials about was not a concern i.e. no quid pro quo. He had simply failed to admit to them that he HAD talked to them. This sort of thing went on when Obama became president.
Hillary tweeted too soon. There was no there there.
From your link:
Hard to tell. But Hillary should have steered well clear of Pizzagate. This may come back to bite her in the ass - again. Hot cheese is sticky and it burns.
@CB
Well, it could be a taunt that she got him out and now everyone's saying that Trump's been leashed by the Deep State. Or this could be choreographed for verisimilitude.
I cannot escape the feeling that Trump would not have been selected President if TPTB/The Funders That Be didn't decide that way and the similarity of both Corporate Party VP candidates strikes me as suspicious.
Especially with Hillary - presented as The Saviour - continuing to campaign (much as she did during her electoral fundraising orgy, from a distance), with the organized protests of specifically only Trump, (even if many real protesters felt differently and protested policies and the corrupt system) and that stupid ShePersisted campaign (or whatever 'she's still in it!'-implying nonsense-phrase I had to keep deleting from my inbox while thinking
SheEmbalmedSheEmbombed and SheStillUnDead,) while Trump is well-publicized as the ignorant nutcase he is, where Hillary's ignorant nutcasery would have been covered over and her equally hideous appointments and actions presented as being in an entirely different wall-light.And there were other things I can't recall at the moment... but whatever is going on, I feel that we're being manipulated 9 ways from Sunday and I find it hard to believe anything beyond that feeling which is coming out of/associated with that political cesspool.
I still hope that Trump's erratic enough to upset the apple-cart and send some survival chance rolling our way, though. Not that getting brained with an apple-shaped rock wouldn't be more likely.
But the Clintons would have probably vaporized us all by now, so there's that.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
It's the Anti-Sino Crew vs the Anti-Russo Crew.
Hillary was obviously the anti-Russo hood ornament.
Drumpf is the anti-Sino bobble head.
2016 Presidential Election was a Deep State Civil War.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
If I were a CT type of person, and who these days isn't,
I would suggest that Medusa is practicing a form of psychological defense which is primarily also a deflection: how she colluded with her Canadian buddy to sell 20% of our residual uranium supply to the horrible Russkies. Why would she do it, if that wasn't inspired for a love of National Security and sanctions against Russia? It's Money, honey.
Alligator Ed,
I feel that this kind of deflection has been going on since September 12, 2001. Vials of white power given to Mohamed Atta in Prague. Saddam. Mushroom clouds. Saddam. Uranium. Saddam. Support for Al Qaeda terrorists. Saddam. Saddam?
Trump pointed out her sale of uranium to the Russians
repeatedly, in his press conference. I haven't heard any mention of it on the news, though. How odd.
Deflection from this, maybe?
Russian speaking fees? Dealing with the Russian government? Bill Clinton's biggest hits:
George HW Bush was once in
George HW Bush was once in charge of the CIA. Trump hurt Jeb's feelings. Trump lacks the social graces of a proper elite and he did not even graduate from Harvard. Trump not only 'cheated' Hillary; he also 'cheated' Jeb.
The Bushes may be helping stir the pot. I am not clear on who they are allied with.
Big Oil.
@Linda Wood I totally agree.
I totally agree. Prince Bandar Bush. Not to mention the airplane full of Good-binLadans (sp?) when all the other planes were grounded after 9/11.
I thought that Rex Tillerson would make them OK with the situation. Maybe the wrong oil company? I am not sure how much the Bushes are still invested in banking. They do detest Trump though.
Big Fascism
Linda, thanks for the fine resource about Bush, I.G. Farben etc
I knew that German Industrialists conspired with Hitler to further Germany's recovery which enabled WW2 to occur, but I did not know of the Bushies and Harriman and Dulleses involvement. So why is it that the biggest traitors scream the loudest about someone else's lesser treachery? Yes, Trump may be guilty of breaking the emoluments clause, but Clinton's uranium deal, even though fronted by Giustra, is a much more direct threat to the nation....And now we know where Pappy Bush's long name came from--a crook and traitor.
Bush also Involved In The Assassination Of Kennedy
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqvBYWSmKZ8]
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[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW3PifsC74I]
@FreeSociety
May I saw 'thanks and wow!'? Are there links at source, and are there links for the source, pretty-please?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Links
The main Web Site for this documentary is at: http://www.thedarklegacy.com/
Produced by John Hankey. He had a couple of versions of this documentary. So there is a bunch of stuff floating around YouTube/Google.
He also had a documentary on the murder of JFK Jr. -- who ran "George" Magazine, and was starting to publish more CIA whistleblowing stuff, including an interview with Oliver Stone about assassination activities.
Thank you so much for this video.
Thank you for posting it now, in the midst of our struggle over the question of whether the CIA deserves to be our government.
I do remember, now that you remind me, about the release of evidence that GHW Bush was the George Bush in the CIA at the time of the assassination and his response that it must have been a different George Bush. But this video certainly draws the connecting lines visibly so that we can all see it.
As a lifelong pacifist whose focus has always been on the treason of American industry in its connection to Hitler, I truly appreciate the maker of this video for simply and clearly drawing these lines. I must admit, however, that even though I was old enough to be a college student when Kennedy was killed, and of course I remember exactly where I was, I never got into the assassination conspiracy theory area because I felt there wasn't clear evidence of what happened. I didn't think there was evidence that Oswald was the sole assassin. He sure was an enigmatic person, but I couldn't see a clear case for whether or not there was a conspiracy, until this past year when I read David Talbot's, The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government. And here is the part that finally tied it up for me.
It's a relatively small thing, in the scheme of things, but it's as if there is a diagram of 60 different ways in which Allen Dulles connected to persons in the assassination itself, but still one gap, one missing connection, that kept me from saying yes, until I read that Ruth Paine, the woman Marina Oswald and her children lived with in Dallas, and the person, "who -- the month before JFK's arrival in Dallas -- informed Lee about the job opening in the Texas School Book Depository," was the daughter-in-law of a friend of Allen Dulles. That was the closure of a complete net of connections, so that for me, there is no connection to the Kennedy assassination that doesn't also connect to Allen Dulles.
The quote is from page 539 in Talbot's book.
Dulles definitely a key figure
You may also be familiar with the book "JFK and the Unspeakable" by James W. Douglass. If not, this also covers the "big picture" matters and struggle between the Warfare interests and Kennedy.
Personally there is much to implicate several big figures, such as Dulles, Gen. Charles Caball (also fired by Kennedy), and his his brother Earl (mayor of Dallas), Emory Roberts of the Secret Service (who can be seen ordering agents off of their protection posts at the limousine), and William Greer who completely violated his training by breaking the car as the guns were being shot off, Curtis LeMay (observed controlling the Bethesda autopsy). Edward Landsdale, David Atlee Phillips, G.H.W. Bush, Guy Banister who were part of organizing or supervising CIA-Cuban assassination teams, Jack Ruby observed dropping off a gunman by the embankment. You are probably aware of the big Party held at Clint Murchisons house in Dallas on the night right before the assassination. Many big names there...including J.E. Hoover, John J. McCloy (President of the World Bank, who was placed on "The Warren Commission"), some TV reporters, Richard Nixon, Lyndon Johnson.
There were many overlapping interests why people wanted Kennedy out of power. But the big Global Bankster / Global Warfare Oligarchical powers put this together with the use of the CIA.
Three separate public investigations resulted in direct acknowledgment of the conspiracy (although they are never talked about that way by the Media):
E.Howard Hunt later confessed to being involved at the time of his death (former Gov. Jesse Ventura did a documentary about that).
But if you really want to blow your mind ... then watch this documentary too:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM]
Very long...but very good.
@asterisk
I do recall that Wall St was originally hoping for Bush vs Clinton re-runs and would have been equally happy with either, according to anonymous quotes within various publications. However, even they eventually figured out that the public wouldn't stand for it.
But other PTB must obviously have approved Jeb Bush, especially since the FTC was unable to curtail the unusually blatant and extreme campaign finance-law-breaking of either Hillary Clinton (hers being far worse and worsening over time/showing more with increased information, probably the latter) or Jeb Bush due to the usual Republican stand-off against the equal number of Dems for both parties involved to continue cheating scott-free.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@asterisk The Clintons. Absolutely
The Clintons. Absolutely, and probably for the duration. When Hill started running out of money against Bernie, Jeb Bush shared his donor list with her. There is no more intimate joining in politics. It's closer than being lovers.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hilary-clinton-bush-donors-222872
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Sorry, forgot to add citation from H.A. Goodman
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA33szNNyWk]
This one is less than 4 minutes long and quite concise--as well as probably correct.
Mr. Flynn lied to the FBI
Martha Stewart went to jail for lying to the FBI over an insider stock tip. But if you lie to the FBI about national security issues, you go home and write a book about how you were misunderstood.
To thine own self be true.
@MarilynW Well, to be fair, James
Well, to be fair, James Clapper lied to Congress and nothing happened to him. It's OK to lie as long as you're lying in the service of the most powerful.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
BTW those hats were not a response to the apocalypse
they were a response to Trump after the exposé of his sexual assaults against women. That's how I understand it anyway.
To thine own self be true.
@MarilynW My point is, most
My point is, most people, especially those protesting Trump, see him as an apocalyptic event in politics--something way beyond, way worse than anything that's gone before, a transformative force that, as long as he's in place, puts us into an entirely new and hideous reality.
Even as a woman and a feminist, I find the pussy hats an odd response to that. For instance, no matter what sexist things I might have heard about George W Bush and Cheney, my response would never have been to knit a funny hat and put it on my head. It seems an oddly whimsical response to something that's supposedly so world-destroying.
I guess maybe it's a way of laughing at the Devil--they say the Devil hates being laughed at--but it just sits really oddly, to me, with children chopping the heads off of effigies of Trump and accusations of Trump being a Russian mole of sorts, people saying that Russia has, because of Trump, basically taken over our country. All these things seem very grave, and sit oddly with knitting and wearing pussy hats.
In another sense, though, it can be seen as a delightful absurdist gesture--almost like responding with something completely unexpected and goofy in response to evil, like this:
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
"We will have an increased
The message happens in the receiver.
Drumpf's call with Taiwan? "It will be a call to introduce two leaders and it will be measured, it will be cordial and it will in no way be provoking any conflict or escalating tensions."
It doesn't work that way.
I mean,"He said some words, OK? The President said some words. When he said Mexicans were rapists he was not trying to escalate tensions or say anything bad about them.
As if there isn't an implicit ratcheting up of tensions and the potential for conflict for moving navies around.
Shit, China is ratcheting up tensions and increasing the potential for conflict with the US and the West by patrolling the South China Sea.
Now, let's get to the message that is happening in the receiver?
Navies into the black sea after Ukraine coup and belligerent sabre rattling... Nevermind... It is just America protecting herself and her allies.
Navies 500 miles off shore to patrol an historic trade route to your country? They are flexing their global interventionist muscles.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
The resignation and the machinations around it
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/02/27/michael-flynn-general-chaos
I scrolled through from 2016 to the present because I didn't want a detailed bio, it's very long.
The present:
To thine own self be true.