Peace Train - Open Thread

Submitted by QMS on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 5:00am

Good Morning Folks!

Making an effort to keep things positive, focusing on the potentials for peace. Recalling the optimism we felt in the early 70's when peace rally's seemed to make a difference. Peace in the world, searching for peace within, sending peace to our fellow travelers. It seemed to be a working theme.

Makes me think of the lessons learned from the natives in the reservation regions out west. Met with caution at first, but trust once earned, became a force for good.

This is the Grand entrance of a Native American Indian powwow

Some of the tribes had differing versions of the peace pipe. It was a shared sacred offering with acceptance of common responsibilities.

Maybe the herbs we smoked helped to frame that consciousness.

Peace be with you.

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Submitted by dkmich on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 6:59am

Good morning QMS

Thanks for the morning OT. We are going to be 75 today in metro Detroit. I think we should have spring, summer, fall, 2 weeks of winter then rinse and repeat. That group must be similar to the one GG use to meet. She will enjoy that.

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Submitted by riverlover on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 6:01am

75 eh? 46 (later high) East of you in Ithaca NY (not Greece)

And I was awakened by bad ticking sounds on the windows. Mixed precipitation patches still moving through. Plus, I saw fecal remnants of mouse visitation to dog food bowl and the counter-height mousetrap had deployed with a dead Microtus (deer mouse) now deadly hanging out on the front porch. Halloween decoration? Some critter might find it and the mousetrap is plastic and deadly but preciouss to me. So later, mouse toss. A local favorite of mine. I have not been Lyme-tested with all my recent blood work (I will review those documents again). They make a snap test for that, used in both dogs and humans. My Previous dog had 2(two) episodes of Lyme. Dead husband had one, and a sunburn from Doxycycline Dx afterward. I think new dog got vaccinated for Lyme, new vaccine formulation, old one not efficacious at all.

Meh day here, I hope better for many.

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Submitted by riverlover on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 6:08am

Whoa, what week are we in?

Very confusing with comments pre-dated. And for some reason, c99 clock runs 4 min fast. And has for some time. We can't even agree on UTC? It's propaganda everywhere?

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Submitted by Goin South on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 7:13am

I know what you mean about those dates.

I thought I'd been smoking too much of the herb.

"Wow, man. Am I going to get to live this past week over again?"

One of the things brought by the 60s was an increased interest in other cultures. Those who had turned on and tuned in recognized that our culture was a materialistic, authoritarian, and supremely violent mess, and it was time to look elsewhere for some new models. Buddhism, Hinduism and Native American spiritualism all became intense objects of study and emulation.

I jumped aboard the "Peace Train" back then and have never gotten off.

On the theme of Yusef Islam, here's one of my favorites that has now been co-opted by some damn car company. If you're watching sports on TV (plead guilty), you see that ad 50 times. "But that's Maude's song," I cry out. "You can't have Maude's song, you greedy assholes."

[video:https://youtu.be/CN4JHP28s4U]

Submitted by QMS on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 7:27am

time warp

Glad to see ya on the train... all aboard

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Submitted by Bisbonian on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 9:52am

"You can't have Maude's song, you greedy assholes."

Very special song to me! I live in a weird little town...one of my neighbors has a license plate "UBUIBME". When our local little production company put on Harold and Maude a couple of years ago, the otherwise perfect Harold tried to play the song at the end, on a banjo. He was flubbing it. It was all I could do to stop from running up on the stage and helping him.

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Submitted by Goin South on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 11:26am

That's a great license plate.

Your avatar is driving me crazy. I lived in Taos briefly and northern New Mexico for quite a while. I remember a hardware store (I think it was--it wasn't the mercantile store on the Plaza) that had a sign behind the counter with the distances from Taos to cities all over the world, and that symbol was a prominent part of it. And that symbol was about the most popular t-shirt decoration, etc. around there.

But I remember nothing about what it was called or its derivation.

Submitted by Bisbonian on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 11:39am

Kokopeli

Pueblo culture. Common in New Mexico petroglyphs. Something of a clown/trickster, obviously a musician (usually depicted with a flute, not a banjo!) Sometimes a fertility symbol, too...with some obvious additions to the image. I drew up an early version of this about ten years ago...my artist partner refined it very nicely a few years ago.

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Submitted by Goin South on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 11:38am

Looking back through the mist...

Finally figured it out. It's Kokopelli, but he's a flute player. Nice adaptation.

Submitted by QMS on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 7:23am

sorry rl

my post vacuumed up the comments from last week, somehow. Didn't mean to create a time warp here. oops

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Submitted by QMS on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 7:32am

Thanks dkm

It works! Yay! Grew up in south central Michigan and do remember those 3 season days. Talk about changes...

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Submitted by kharma on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 7:53am

Good morning QMS

Thanks for the open thread and the reminder of all those great people who are still working for the cause. 15 years and still strong, that's fantastic.

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Submitted by QMS on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 8:06am

Good day Kharma

Yeah, we started a peaceful vigil during the beating drums after 9/11. Candles and readings, songs and hand holding, circles of energy...but the wars started anyway. This became our focus of resistance. 15 years on, but we still make a statement. We still want peace!

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Submitted by GreatLakeSailor on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 1:09pm

Speaking of 15 years on....

I got this from Russ Feingold today:

GLS,

On this day 1‌5 yea‌rs ago, I was the sole member of the United States Senate to vote against the Patriot Act. And, 1‌5 years later, I am still being attacked for my vote.

When I cast that vote, only si‌x we‌eks had passed since the horrendous attacks on 9‌/‌11. Initially, I wanted to vote for an early version of the bill, which I believed protected individuals civil liberties while also updating our laws to account for new technologies.

But then, the Bush administration held secret meetings, took shortcuts, and introduced a new version of the Patriot Act that couldn't be changed. This isn't how our democracy should operate: Behind closed doors and without transparency. It was outrageous.

The final version of the Patriot Act gave the federal government far too much power to spy on the American people. Congress held its breath and crossed its fingers that this power wouldn't get abused, and the bill was passed.

When I voted no, I voted my conscience, and I voted to do right by the people of Wisconsin and the people of America. I voted no because national security and civil liberties should not be mutually exclusive -- and should be beyond partisan politics.

Now, 1‌5 ye‌ars later, Senator Ron Johnson and his allies are still attacking my vote against the Patriot Act. If Senator Johnson and his super PACs were listening to the people of Wisconsin, they would know one thing: their attacks won't work.

There are just over tw‌o wee‌ks left in this campaign. It's going to take the full force of this grassroots team to combat all these outrageous right-wing attacks and win this race.

If you're with me, please consider rushing a $5 grassroots donation to my campaign right now.
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Thanks for standing with me.

Sincerely,

Russ Feingold

EDIT: On my computer this thread has comments from both today (25Oct) and one week ago (18Oct) and without realizing it I responded to a comment from a week ago. Go figure, eh?

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Submitted by OLinda on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 8:13am

Wikileaks

Wikileaks posted new Podesta emails, Part 11, within the last hour. It looks like the contingency plans are working.

Submitted by Citizen Of Earth on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 9:03am

Sounds like turmoil at the Ecuadorean Embassy

as with everything Hellery, you wonder if palms are being greased behind closed doors. I hope Julian has an exit plan in case his hosts are losing patience.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6f997f97c5f140a29f385ea05f1b642c/wikileak...

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Submitted by Cachola on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 6:40am

Last night I read a very interesting article

On how the CIA is trying to destabilize Ecuador. It's in SpanishbandcIbam too lazy to translate but here is the link:

http://www.hispantv.com/noticias/ecuador/35929/eeuu-pretende-derrocar-al...

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Submitted by Lookout on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 9:00am

protests around the world too

I'm glad to see folks pushing for peace here in the US. People around the world are standing up...they just don't want us to know. Here's a few things happening in our hemisphere that most don't know...

Brazil is still fighting their recent corporate coup.

RIO DE JANEIRO (Reuters) - Police fired tear gas in downtown Rio de Janeiro on Monday when protesters demonstrating against a proposed government spending cap approached the headquarters of state oil company Petrobras, the GloboNews channel said. The police action marks the first time a new wave of Brazilian street protests, this time against the signature economic policy of the months-old government of President Michel Temer, have turned violent.

The proposed constitutional limit on federal government spending would restrict budget increases to the inflation rate for 20 years. The measure is aimed at closing a budget deficit that exceeded 10 percent of gross domestic product last year and reviving confidence in the midst of a two-year recession that has seen Brazil lose 12 million jobs.

70,000 came out yesterday in Chile to protest pension plans (1 min) telesur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAK4LsACudY

Some are successful. El Salvador won their case against the mining company (1 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tj8uNOpH5w

But the anti TPP protest in Peru was met with violence (1 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP5VpkUq8zM

Columbians march for peace in Bogota (30 sec.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqmq8l3HOic

I think we should take heart that so many are standing up. Perhaps we will awake and stand up too.
They are sure trying to shut down our access to information -
30 sec from RT on the UK bank shutting down their accounts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diGZQc02p3c
4 min on Assange internet access: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF34QZAIDj0

Thanks for the news that Assange is still publishing OLinda, and thanks for the open thread QMS.

power to the people_1.jpg

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Submitted by shaharazade on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 2:10pm

Thanks Lookout

I laughed out loud at the RT you tube video ending. I read a Guardian article about the internet cut off of Assange this morning. It had something like 3500 comments and it was depressing as the, oh my god Putin and Trump, the Russians are coming, Assange haters, were out in force. Can this world get any crazier about this fake election? thanks for the links.

Submitted by Granma on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 3:35pm

Looked at RT clip

And caught a written quote from an injured child in some war torn country as I left you tube. The child asked, "Will my foot grow back?" I've been crying ever since. I should watch that video I'm sure, but I cannot. Nor can I stop thinking about that poor child.
What kind of people are we, that we allow this to be done in our names? Why aren't we all in the streets all the time raising hell about this insanity?

Submitted by shaharazade on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 7:06pm

RT may be from Russia

and it may be slanted but they do cover some real news. I too looked at the you tubes on the right side and found that one and several others that were horrifying about these wars we deem necessary for some reason that makes no sense. Unless you examine the real reasons they then world dominance PNAC agenda and the cold greed oil pipelines and access to what ever else they want to loot resource wise. The Great Game the empire game all tarted up as threats to our national security/interests or the war on terra.

I don't know why ordinary people are not more riled up. I sure am. I'm having a hard time these days reading and searching on the net for what's really going on. When I do find some truth it's heart breaking. I sort of understand why many people left and right do not want to have to deal with the reality of our present world. Russians, Americans, Arabs. Mexicans. Greeks all of us are just humans. Why are we globally being denied those pesky universal rights and inalienable truths. Centuries old laws, old rights are gone daddy gone. I wish people here in the USA would stop thinking us vs.them be it Blue vs Red or East vs. West, liberals vs. conservatives. It seems to me the lines drawn are false and the purpose is to divide and conquer.

Submitted by QMS on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 9:11am

Yeah, you right!

(as they say in the crescent city). People standing up, holding banners, making our voices be heard. There are probably many similar groups here in uncle sam land doing the same type of things. Wish we could consolidate THAT into a you tube twitter flitter. The justice stream may flow into a river...

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 10:12am

This OT is near and dear to my heart

For over four years I was a participant in a local Peace vigil. The vigil was begun 13 and a half years ago in response to the Iraq war. At its inception, there were 35 stalwart members. With the election of Obama, many of the members stopped coming. But a small group persisted and I discovered them four and a half years ago and joined. Unfortunately, the Peace vigil had to disband in early June of this year when it got down to just two of us, myself and 87 year old Don who was an original member. Don made the call and we ceased to exist on a regular basis. I wrote about it here.

This photo was taken a little over two years ago. From left to right: me, Bill, Richard (who was 92 at the time), Keith, and Don. Richard, Bill and Don were all original members. Richard was the first to leave due to problems associated with his age. Then Keith left. So earlier this year, we were down to me, Bill, and Don. When Bill began to have health issues, that is when Don made the decision to disband the Peace vigil.

I really miss the conversations we had with people every week. Were we going to change the world? No, but we did change quite a few people's minds about how useless these wars are.

Thank you for this wonderful Open Thread.

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Submitted by Shahryar on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 11:58am

when I saw the photo I wondered if this were GG!

nice to know there's more than one vigil in the US.

We see that Jill is polling at 2% and we see that the anti-war sentiment is pathetically low. If people hadn't had vigils and marches in the 60s there wouldn't have been any problems for the government with its Vietnam horror.

Whenever I mention "the time I marched with Martin Luther King Jr." I say it in a half-joking way because there were so many people there! It wasn't like he and I were side by side. There were more people there than there were at a 2008 Obama rally! We need more marches, more mobilizations, a guillotine, more outspoken politicians, a better press.

But vigils are a start.

Submitted by Lily O Lady on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 12:37pm

Anti-war sentiment is being discouraged by our fearless

"What me worry?" leaders. The saber rattling at the DNC was disgusting. I'd have mistaken it for a GOP function if I didn't know better.

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Submitted by Shahryar on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 12:46pm

googling Dem convention brings up some sad stuff

I was looking for a report from July about the Hillary contingent drowning out "no more war!" with "U-S-A!" and found articles with titles like "The Democrats' Republican Moment". So....yeah.

Submitted by Lily O Lady on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 3:28pm

Who'd a thunk it? Even just four years ago I

could never have imagined such scenes.

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Submitted by QMS on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 5:31pm

Thanks GG

We also started with many more, it has dwindled a bit over the years. Seems strange it's mostly us older folks that keep on. We remember the effects of our demonstrations during the 'nam war days. It worked then, maybe get the kids involved, it could work again.

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Submitted by QMS on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 5:47pm

Yeah GG

You would love the humor these survivors share. Will put you in touch if you wish.

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Submitted by enhydra lutris on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 10:55am

Heya, QMS. Thanks for the OT and the QMS tune. We used to have

a local peace vigil, but I only went a few times - it was at night, which just did not work for us due to assorted conflicts.

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Submitted by QMS on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 5:37pm

Your support is appreciated

Trying to focus on some positive mojo for a change..

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Submitted by gjohnsit on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 11:25am

More Wikileaks emails

Hillary totally against pot legalization

But in an email circulated among senior Clinton campaign staffers concerned about the content of Clinton's paid corporate speeches and appearances—which includes an 80-page attachment detailing "a lot of policy positions that we should give an extra scrub"—a brief portion of Clinton's Q & A with Xerox CEO Ursula Burns in 2014 shows Clinton's staunch opposition to any form of marijuana legalization:
URSULA BURNS: So long means thumbs up, short means thumbs down; or long means I support, short means I don't. I'm going to start with — I'm going to give you about ten long-shorts.

SECRETARY CLINTON: Even if you could make money on a short, you can't answer short.

URSULA BURNS: You can answer short, but you got to be careful about letting anybody else know that. They will bet against you. So legalization of pot?

SECRETARY CLINTON: Short in all senses of the word. (emphasis added)

That was in March 2014, and even if it's the briefest of exchanges, it says something that the Clinton campaign suspected this message of staunch prohibitionism needed "an extra scrub."

Clinton was on the record opposing medical marijuana in 2007—she supported "research," but not decriminalization—but just three months after saying she opposed marijuana legalization "in all senses of the word," she said on a CNN town hall that "there should be availability (of marijuana) under appropriate circumstances."

Hillary loves covert actions

Hillary Clinton longs for the days when Americans knew how to execute a covert action abroad and not spill the details to reporters.
Addressing a Goldman Sachs event in 2013, in one of the speeches that WikiLeaks published on Saturday, Mrs. Clinton gave a tough-minded, realpolitik answer to the question of how to handle a problem like Syria. If the best chance of success was to act secretly inside that country, she made clear, she had no problem doing that.

She went on to say — as her audience already knew because of revelations in the news media — that as secretary of state she had advocated secretly arming the Syrian opposition and moving forcefully to counter the Russians, who at that point were supporting President Bashar al-Assad but had not yet fully entered the conflict.

Submitted by Unabashed Liberal on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 11:47am

Kudos on your 'maiden' OT, QMS! Even though

my schedule usually prevents me from participating in early morning OT's/threads, I greatly enjoy reading them, and rec'ing them later in the day.

Hope to have some photos to post of the Fall change-of-leaves in our neck-of-the-woods, if we get to make our trip this season. (Warning: They will be shot with a dinky smartphone camera, if we get any.)

Have a great day!

Mollie

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The SOSD Fantastic Four

Available For Adoption, Save Our Street Dogs, SOSD

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Submitted by fugwb on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 12:17pm

Ha!

Just got a very serious letter from the democratic congressional campaign committee signed by Nancy herself. Of course begging for money. I wrote on the money form "I'm not a democrat anymore. I don't do business with thieves who steal elections. Jill2016" put it in the prepaid envelope and sent it back. Damn that felt good....

Submitted by lotlizard on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 12:46pm

The Groped vs. The Bombed, The Raped, The Tortured, The Droned

http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/the-groped-versus-the-bombed-th...

“sabrina” at Jackpine Radicals is truly outstanding.

Submitted by Bisbonian on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 3:28pm

I just 'discovered' that site

yesterday, in the left margin. Good stuff!.

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Submitted by GreatLakeSailor on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 12:59pm

Small pocket camera not good in tight spaces and low light...

(voted for Jill this am)
and

(voted for Russ this am)

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Submitted by ghotiphaze on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 9:29am

Rocky Rogue?

I wasn't aware of him. But anyone surviving into adulthood named after an ice cream flavor deserves some votes.

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Submitted by riverlover on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 2:04pm

Here's the instruction manual (long, pdf)

for Unconventional Warfare, US Army. I think I will see if I can catch this on a thumb drive. Light reading, not.
https://file.wikileaks.org/file/us-fm3-05-201.pdf

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Submitted by riverlover on Tue, 10/18/2016 - 3:11pm

In the Wikileaks are medical records for Steve Jobs

Why would that be of interest to anyone? Devastating news from a blood test.

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Submitted by QMS on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 6:15am

oops

Please excuse the comments from last week. Seems I have more to figure out about this stuff.

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Submitted by eyo on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 8:53am

Keeping the rich awake at night

CA-02 leads, Huffman representin'. Don't ask why these products pass muster (customs?) to begin with, that would harsh the buzz for sure dude. Oversight is such a drag man. Much easier to come after the fact, with discussion, lots of discussion. Look at the smarties involved! blah blah blah, blah blah blah, going forward. Template always ends "going forward." Meh, Democrats. I may never vote for one again. ~shrug~ priorities.

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You can read more about my legislative work on this issue here.

Who:
Congressman Jared Huffman
Julie Vallese, Managing Director Government and Public Affairs, Juvenile Products Manufacturers Association
Jeff Gearhart, Research Director, Ecology Center
Ken Cook, President, Environmental Working Group
Arlene Blum, Ph.D., Executive Director, Green Science Policy Institute
Don Lucas, Ph.D., Staff Scientist, Lawrence Berkeley National Lab

When: November 1, 2016, 1:00 pm to 3:00 PM
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If you have questions, please contact my San Rafael District Office at (415) 258-9657.

Hope to see you there,

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The Story of Stuff 2007, link starts at 4m48s about the 100,000 synthetic chemicals used in commerce, only a handful tested. "That's the (neo-liberal) system." says Jerry Brown. Incremental poison.

Peace

Submitted by Big Al on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 9:24am

The comments are disabled for that Peace Train video.

But before they did that I wrote an essay about those comments. Someone very early in the comments simply stated, "Peace from _________", stating where they were from. That took off and nearly everyone thereafter simply said "Peace from __________". I ended up counting the number of countries represented by those statements and it was over 110. People from all over the world in over 110 countries all saying the same thing, Peace.
That's tell you something right there.

Submitted by QMS on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 9:47am

Wow

That's very cool Big Al. Makes one feel less isolated.

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 9:29am

I saw a Jill Stein sign today

here in NC where she is only a write in candidate. Actually, I saw three signs. But what I love is her campaign slogan.

People, Planet, and Peace
Over Profits

I can wish. Since I vote in Florida, I have already voted for Jill. I suspect that her vote totals may surprise people.

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Submitted by QMS on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 9:53am

Yeah, here too

The people, planet and peace are the best part of the signs. I've been beautifying our town with those same signs. We can hope!

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Submitted by Citizen Of Earth on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 11:49am

I want that Jill lawn sign.

Love the tag line.

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Submitted by QMS on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 12:51pm

lawn signs

I received a pile of them from our Green Party state organizer (RI) for free. Just have to get the metal bases from a sign shop, or office supply. Cheers

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Submitted by Citizen Of Earth on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 1:31pm

Cool. I don't have a yard

but I did make a Facebook Cover Page image from the yard sign. So at least friends and family will see it.

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Submitted by ghotiphaze on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 9:34am

Did anyone else read H.G. Wells 'When the Sleeper Wakes'?

Woody did a poor, though humorous, screen adaption in Sleeper.

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Submitted by Bisbonian on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 9:58am

I've never read the book (I should!)

but saw Sleeper early in my life. Without the book for comparison, I thought it was masterful. The dark humor, the absolute bumbling of all the apparatus... it was an early shaper of my philosophy that has stuck. I even posted a scene from it, a few weeks ago, to illustrate something going on today.

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Submitted by Late Again on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 9:50am

I'll just leave this here.

Brewer & Shipley say it far better than I can.

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Submitted by Goin South on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 11:56am

I saw them again 3 years ago.

They were still great to hear and see. When I was a teenager, I took my spouse-to-be to see them at the Vanguard in KC. I brought that up during their very informal performance here, and Shipley went into a riff about the geeky kids who used to show up there. "I was one of those geeky kids," I replied, and boy, was I.

Witchai Tai To is one of my top 5 of all time. It's hard to come up with a better affirmation of life than that tune.

[video:https://youtu.be/kkVjd1fJMME]

Submitted by Late Again on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 1:11pm

Yes! Witchi-tai-to is also

one of my top five from Brewer and Shipley.

It makes me crazy that they never play anything on the radio except 'One Toke Over the Line' when there are so many better tracks by them. Actually, that goes for pretty much any artist.

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Submitted by QMS on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 10:09am

Ain't nothin funny 'bout

Elvis Costello

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question everything

Submitted by Citizen Of Earth on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 11:20am

OMFG. Just happened upon Donna Brazile's

tweeter home page.
Her profile image is... distrubing. Hahhaha. Also Yuck.

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Submitted by gjohnsit on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 11:25am

Snowden may soon have the option of a new home

Iceland

The party that could be on the cusp of winning Iceland’s national elections on Saturday didn’t exist four years ago.
Its members are a collection of anarchists, hackers, libertarians and Web geeks. It sets policy through online polls — and thinks the government should do the same. It wants to make Iceland “a Switzerland of bits,” free of digital snooping. It has offered Edward Snowden a new place to call home.

And then there’s the name: In this land of Vikings, the Pirate Party may soon be king.

Submitted by gustogirl on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 1:44pm

That's fabulous!

Gives me a tinge of optimism to lighten the heavy pessimism I've been feeling.

Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 2:17pm

Pirate Party

Its members are a collection of anarchists, hackers, libertarians and Web geeks. It sets policy through online polls — and thinks the government should do the same. It wants to make Iceland “a Switzerland of bits,” free of digital snooping. It has offered Edward Snowden a new place to call home.

And then there’s the name: In this land of Vikings, the Pirate Party may soon be king.

Two things:

The use of "libertarian" in this passage, when applied to Icelandic Pirate Party members, is obviously being used in its European sense, not the heartless Randian crap sold under that name in the USA; and

Speaking of the USA, we have a Pirate Party here, too. We're nowhere near where the Icelandic Pirates are, but everything must begin somewhere.

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 12:16pm

Thanks, QMS. I saw and ignored a headline somewhere that ACA

premiums are suffering double digit inflation. What a massive non-surprise. I can't wait to see the convoluted theories blaming it on the left.

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Submitted by Shahryar on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 12:33pm

since it's an OT...here's "Take Good Care of My Baby". Comments?

Bobby Vee died yesterday. When we talk about how the pop world was taken over by Bobbys we mean Bobby Vee, Bobby Rydell, Bobby Vinton. Even Fabian was a Bobby! Well, in spirit, anyway. And you can't get more Bobby-er than Bobby Vee.

And yet Bob Dylan, who played in Vee's band for a short while before his folkie days, said “I’ve played with everybody from Mick Jagger to Madonna, but the most beautiful person I’ve ever been on stage with is Bobby Vee."

Well...be that as it may, yesterday there was a lot of Vee's music going around the internet, especially his biggest hit. Was it terrible? Was it the singer? the song? Here's the Beatles' version of it.

I like it better than the original.

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Tue, 10/25/2016 - 3:36pm

Glad you noted that, Shah

I was one of those screaming teenage girl fans of Bobby Vee. Back in the days when idols were created by record companies, Bobby could actually sing too. He had early onset Alzheimer's. Very sad.

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