Late Night Nausea: The Clinton-Trump Debate watchers live blog
Submitted by Alphalop on Mon, 09/26/2016 - 7:19pm
Hello everybody!
It's been a while since I hosted a live blog and despite my better judgement I am going to watch the debate tonight, and rant my butt off most likely, with everyone here. 
I'll be present for the duration of the debates provided I don't render myself unconscious due to repeatedly banging my head on the keyboard over the extreme idiocy and arrogance we will surely be subjected to for 90 straight minutes.
The only saving grace is maybe we will see a slow motion train wreck in action.
Here are some handy links to enable you to watch if you are so inclined:
Democracy Now - Expanded Debate Coverage
PBS Debate Coverage:
[video:https://youtu.be/EuHuzhzb1nc]
Please feel free to comment, cuss or rant to your hearts content.
Comments
FSM bless you for doing this
I can't bear the thought of watching those two. After they dragged Jill Stein off the campus, they couldn't have been clearer about the lack of legitimacy tonight's sham holds.
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as mentioned earlier, I'll be at that Beatles movie
but I figure I'll be listening while I'm driving to it, if it's on radio. I'm pretty sure one of them, if not both, will say somethig jaw-droppingly stupid.
Boy, you better carry that weight
a long time
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Alphalop, you've got a cast-iron gut.
Thank you for doing this so the rest of us can protect our weaker stomachs.
Though I'm gonna put Amy Goodman's live feed up on my computer so DemocracyNow! gets some ratings love, feedback for the good thing they're doing.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Thanks Alphalop.....
Public service indeed.
The 'debate' will be on here, only because Bollox Minor has homework related to it.
Otherwise,..........
Your live blogs are always classic. Good luck having to watch it.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Tonight's debate is almost too surreal and disturbing for me
to watch. Like a bad nightmare. Like a never-ending horror show.
Well, there's also this way to look at it. Since OWS I've been saying what this somnambulant nation needs more than anything is a catacylsmic event. Thought it would be another financial crash, which is never far from being a reality since Obama, Holder and Congress kicked the can down the road. But it just might be people waking up tonight to how much they truly hate these two odious, inveterate liars; these two corrupt, arrogant and pompous multi-millionaires, and start asking, "how did we here?" (cue Talking Heads "Once In a Lifetime"). THIS, might finally get the ball rolling.
Who's on the TYT panel tonight? I would consider watching if they had their best panelists (John, Ana and Jimmy Dore).
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
Not sure who is on TYT tonight, Cenk's Kool-aid imbibing
has reached levels that I just can't handle.
I still respect him, I just think he is completely wrong on getting on the Clinton Bandwagon.
Jimmy is rapidly becoming my favorite from the network though, I still watch his show pretty frequently, but Uyugr has become too much of an apologist and his over the top yelling tends to over-drive my speakers far too frequently.
I may open it up though to watch what Jimmy has to say, and I will have the Democracy Now site open as well to show some love to Amy.
Here is the link to the TYT live feed.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I unsubscribed from them
Figure maybe I might come back to them after the elections, but as of now they aren't saying anything worth hearing that they haven't already said about Trump a hundred times already. I was starting to wonder if they were going to talk about anything other than Trump being awful for a while. I mean, it's alright when Cenk's not behind the desk, but I think he's too into the idea of being some kind of left-wing hero to be an effective journalist at this time.
Jimmy seems to be the best host they've got. He's actually able to make humor work when he's talking about stuff.
agreed, what a horror!
I can't watch either, I so hope you're right about this;
... it just might be people waking up tonight to how much they truly hate these two odious, inveterate liars; these two corrupt, arrogant and pompous multi-millionaires, and start asking, "how did we get here?" (cue Talking Heads "Once In a Lifetime"). THIS, might finally get the ball rolling.
Indeed, the silencing of third party candidates illustrates
perfectly the fact that both major parties could give a rat's ass about maintaining an actual informed democracy.
People fear what Trump will do, I fear what Clinton and the Neo-libs has already done.
If we could take this election season and show it to ourselves from even 20 years ago I think we likely would smack ourselves in the face for letting shit get this bad. {sigh}
I think I am now at the acceptance stage on the grieving for the loss of our nation to the oligarchs. I honestly believe we may already be at the point where nothing short of violent, mass scale demonstrations and insurrection are the only tools available that we have left for inducing a shift in the balance of power.
That would really suck...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I, for one, will be enjoying this
Enjoying it? Why, you ask? Because it's not the debate the Democrats expected. They thought they'd be sitting on a 15 point landslide, with record turnout. How would Hillary have behaved in that debate? By belittling Trump at every turn, mocking him, making every question into a coup de grace.
But now they are neck-and-neck, and she has to give him the reverence that he so much does not deserve. She can't do the coup de grace thing because she'll come across as an arrogant bitch. The whole night will be a struggle to contain her ever mounting frustration. Yuck yuck yuck.
“He may not have gotten the words out but the thoughts were great.”
And hoping she doesn't keel over with all the pent up anger.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
No
I have a running bet the past week that she'd have some type of episode before it's over. My wager? A $10 donation to her campaign. Hey, worse comes to worse, that donation may save my life during the purge.
“He may not have gotten the words out but the thoughts were great.”
I also believe $hills is so pathetic and pandering that she will
at some point, resort to a "woe is me" breakdown, designed to elicit empathy for Little Red Riding Hood being picked on by the Big Bad Wolf.
I can just see her, this terribly phony actor and liar, practicing all week with her team and then trying hard to conjure up tears to drum up false empathy for the "woman." Won't be convincing, except to the gullible who want to see her that way.
She pulled this trick in New Hampshire in 08 vs. Obama, and it gave her a close win.
Drumpf is a totally unpredictable, zany, insane opponent, who is almost impossible to defend against it.
She and her team and the DK Neoliberal douchebags have got to be quaking in their shoes right about now. In fact I think I hear it from here, if you listen closely enough....
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
You are so much better than me
Because I am expecting convulsions or at least some heavy duty eye rolling. Pity I wd burst a vein in my forehead if I watched live.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
Yay, live blog!
I know a lot of people are boycotting/ignoring/doing something more worthwhile, but I wouldn't miss this for the world (ok, well maybe for the the world I would miss it...)
I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Thanks, Alphalop!
Here's my opinion before it even gets started!
Alien Intervention 2016
If you can't vote Green, vote Grey!
And since I'll probably be at a loss for words later, I'll let this bird speak for me. This is funny!! A Bird's Reaction
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
Hysterically funny
Right up there with Monty Python and the "dead parrot."
thanks - needed a laugh tonight.
Won't be watching the debate - will wait for my Hero Lee Camp to 'splain what really happened.
Good suggestion Caerus n/t
Caerus has a lot of good
Caerus has a lot of good suggestions - and I'll bet some great ones for the corporate candidates as well!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
OMG That bird is channeling me about 45 minutes into the debate
I am quite certain.
That was hysterical. lol!
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
OMG++ I just watched the video again because
I needed a break. I muted the debate and with the bird video audio was on it looked like Hillary was screeching "fuck you wanker". Just past 45 minutes. Are ya squawking yet?
The people, united, will never be defeated.
Naaa Wavey, I actually managed to avoid it!
Although in order to do so I did have to resort on copious quantities of cannabis as well as a couple brown ales.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I premeditated with prosecco
Never an aftertaste, unlike the two villains squawking at each other (no offense to cockatoo discoursing above about the sanctity of his home).
Most people don't know this but...
this was the original model for 'Angry Birds'
The people, united, will never be defeated.
ROTFLMFAO
Thank you more than words can express! I have had a crappy three weeks and I feel so much better now. The endorphens even wiped away my headache. Laughter truly is sometimes the best medicine for whatever ails one.
I no longer believe in the religion of progress
You rock, Alphalop! N/T
"Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change." Stephen Hawking
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{Blush} Aww shucks, Thanks TB! :)
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
my thanks too, Alpha!
And mine!
And mine!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Let's have a drinking game. Every time either one of them lie
we all take a drink. I'm not going to watch but I can follow along here, just tell me when they lie.
We could have a couple designated bloggers to keep the place open after we're done.
Sounds like fun, but I would have a liver the size of a Prius by
the end of the debate.
Well, that and I only have about 15 bottles in my bar, probably an insufficient supply...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
One of the best ideas I've heard in a long time.
Someone designated Nov 2 National Getting Drunk Day, but I'd rather call it National Beer 'n Bong Day, just to include the stoners.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
They should change that to Nov. 8th because we
Americans will have elected either Trump or Clinton. Ya, don't forget the stoners. Here in WA state there seem to be more of them than I can remember.:)
Damn, I meant Nov 8th. Don't know what I was thinking.
The idea is, Election Day should be National Beer n' Bong Day. As for 4/20, of course we have that, but times are tough and we now need two such holidays. I hold that truth to be self-evident.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I thought we already had one on 4/20. But then again, for some
of us EVERYDAY is 4/20
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Thanks!!
I appreciate your consideration...for both the beer and the bong. Peace
No way. I'd die of alcohol poisoning before 15 minutes are up
The people, united, will never be defeated.
I invented a game that can't be finished.
Literally impossible.
FYI, Young Turks amazingly has Jimmy Dore as part of a trio
hosting the debate.
Wow. That's ballsy. Dore has been fearless, and just gaining strong momentum with sharp, clear criticism of Hillary. He's been one of the only broadcasters not to cower to the MSM fire-breathing brigade of Trump Fear and stand very strong for progressive values.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
I'm surprised that Jimmy Dore hasn't been nullified in some way
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Dore is tearing it up clear-headly and passionately.
Worth watching.
Cenk walking the line pretty well. For now.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
I'm not. I think Cenk still has a little rebel in him.
Sometimes it's overtaken by the big businessman. But he's still there a little.
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Thanks but no.
I'm heading for the remote reaches of northern Michigan at 9pm.
No phone, tv, or internet for the next 5 days.
I consider myself lucky.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Have a great time. Wish I were there!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Thanks, Alpha
I have democracy now on. We'll see how it goes, and how long I last.
Thanks for the live blog!
redacted - double post /nt
https://www.euronews.com/live
I have C-Span on - it's difficult to watch and listen
in three different windows.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Yeah, that can be tough. My little trick for it is to use a set
of headphones, channel one audio feed to those and the other to my main speakers.
I then put them on my head cocked so that I have one headphone earpiece in one ear and the main audio feed in the other.
It takes a lot of practice, but with a bit of work (and a messed up mind that seems to be able to multi-channel stuff like this, Benefit of ADD maybe? lol!) you can train yourself to follow two different sources of info at the same time.
It really just boils down to being able to tune out the other source for the one that you want to pay particular attention to at that moment while still having the other available to your memory if you need it. (A skill most successfully married men probably have to one degree or another, lol!)
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Alas, your brilliant scheme nets you twice as much bullshit
One dose tonight was enough for me.
Ack! I didn't think of that! No wonder my wife says I am full of
shit all the time.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
thx as always for doing this
it's the only way I can stomach it....
Other news: Loma Prieta fire started here at 3pm now 400 acres, 300 homes threatened, 1 destroyed and 0% contained. Distant from us by 40 miles. Temps in the Bay Area in low 100s throughout. Really dry here.
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Hope it's been contained by
Hope it's been contained by now! And that your area, at least is OK!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Oh god, the topics were just announced and I am already
disgusted.
For FSM's sake, you think they could at least pretend they were going to discuss the stuff that most of us are really interested in.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
what are they?
Solidarity forever
"America's Direction,"
"Achieving Prosperity," and "Securing America"
IE. How would you put your spin on the Washington consensus.
Solidarity forever
In other words:
"Dismantling a Nation-State," "Keeping the Money Flowing to the Top," and "Rationalizations for the Police State We Need to Keep Those Little Fuckers in Line."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Spot.
Fuc&ing. On.
Trying to mercifully bore
Trying to mercifully bore everyone to death with obviously meaningless BS before the nukes/planned unlimited corporate pollution and unregulated products get them?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Popcorn makes a great projectile. N/T
"Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change." Stephen Hawking
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Brando
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKcAYMb5uk4]
Beware the bullshit factories.
I think Donald has a cold.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Cold -- or Allergies -- or...
with as fast as he's talking, how about coking up before the debate? That was my opinion! He's got to have something to bolster his false bravado!
It ain't false. He's the real deal--"believe me"
Hill gave him
pneumonia.
drinks!
Hillary-"my granddaughter"
Donald "the best the best"
bygorry
Clinton - Jobs... Small Business, Fair economy.
Raise the minimum wage, profit sharing at companies, wealthy pay their fair share. et al.
If I thought for a minute she wasn't pandering I would be impressed.
"Donald, it's good to be with you." trying to take the moral high road.
That is fucking funny.
Trump.
Jobs going to Mexico, China devaluing our currency.
He is actually coming off much more measured and calm, almost rational. I wonder if that whole, "Pacing" thing about Trump's strategy is actually true and not just an excuse for his bombastic statements earlier. (My first thought.)
Mentions St. Ronnie, renegotiating trade deals, etc. That should resonate with middle America and those that used to work in the manufacturing sector.
Clinton calls Trumps plan "Trumped up trickle down." was a douche chill inducing line...
"Trump was born rich, I was poor" - Yeah, we believe that Hillary...
Asked of Trump "How will you bring back jobs"
"Our Country doesn't know what it's doing with Devaluations" "They Took Our Jobs!" then points out that Clinton has been doing this for 30 years, why hasn't she spoke about this before now?
Brings up NAFTA, the National Debt, etc.
Asked again, "how will you stop companies from leaving"
Trump basically says a tax but I think he means a tariff, which I don't think is a bad idea.
Back to Clinton "8 years ago we had the worst financial crisis" but then lies about what the source was behind it. DRINK!!!
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Donald's view on trade agmnts
Donald said we need to renegotiate the trade agreements. Basically said that politicians should have but haven't had the balls to do so. Hillary said nothing.
Donald is coming across well, and I'm not a Trump supporter.
Yeah, the worst thing for Clinton to happen tonight may be
that many other voters may be saying the same thing to themselves that I am. "I guess I can deal with Trump for 4 years..."
I don't know too many that may be saying that about Clinton that are not already in the bag...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
"How are ya, Donald?"
Barf.
Trump slamming her on NAFTA
Hillary: "Well, that's your opinion".
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Srsly? How the hell is that a decent comeback?
What's next, "I know you are, but what am I?"?
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woa
Trump getting feisty.
Trump is destroying her on
Trump is destroying her on trade. Makes sense. She has to defend the oligarchy.
ETA. Even though his plans are awful.
Trump: "I believe in all forms of energy"
Sounded like he was going to go pro-fracking or something but then sidestepped it.
Trump reiterates that Clinton has been doing it for 30 years and done nothing.
She says, "My husband did a pretty good job" Trump nails her with NAFTA. That was a mistake on her part.
Then prattles on about having a special prosecuter and enforcing trade deals we already have (because those are working out so well for us."
Then Clinton makes a second stumble, Trump called NAFTA a mistake, "That's your opinion" - Clinton.
That was not smart, MOST of America agrees with Trump on this one.
Hillary stumbles again with her patented, "I was for it before I was against it."
"I was not responsible for it." Makes her sound weak.
Trump really does seem to have her on the ropes so far.
"Secretary you have no plan" Clinton - "Buy my book"
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
OMFG. "My husband did a pretty good job."
I hate, hate, hate that "my husband" bullshit she constantly falls back on. That's why I gag at the whole concept that electing her would be some kind of breakthrough for women. Please!
Hillary: "My husband did this, my husband did that, let's face it: my husband is the only reason I'm on this stage tonight!"
If you like what my husband did, vote for me! (If you don't like what he did, it wasn't my responsibility! I was just the wife. But still vote for me!)
... blah blah blah ... barf.
Lol, CS
Wonderful comment about how she is constantly saying my husband......
Her husband is responsible for the global economic crisis that happened during the Bush administration.
Granted Greenspan and others watched it coming and did nothing, but the start of the job losses can be dropped at Clinton's feet.
"My husband also screwed around with a lot of women, but if I divorced him then that might have been the end of my political career"
The Husband....
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPijibzAwVw width:600 height:420]
Hasn't she already said that
Hasn't she already said that Bill was going to be in charge of a bunch of stuff, like austerity, or something, since he's so good at it? At 3 AM, can't even vaguely recall what it was, but I do remember that it horrified me...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
the moderator isn't necessary anymore ... they make their own
show.
https://www.euronews.com/live
The moderator has lost any semblance of control
These two really needs someone who can and will say "Shut the fuck up" when it's needed.
They say that there's a broken light for every heart on Broadway
They say that life's a game and then they take the board away
They give you masks and costumes and an outline of the story
And leave you all to improvise their vicious cabaret-- A. Moore
I disagree. the best (?) moments came during the rebuttals
to the rebuttal. Hillary looked a trained ventriloquists dummy--bad retorts. Trump resisted the secret weapon, not so secret, of her endangering national security through her treasonous exposure of national security information plus per incredibly poor judgement to sent a laptop through the mail with secret and perhaps top-secret info on it--now said computer cannot be found.
As much as I dislike Donald, he maintained his composure. As other have pointed out above, H. sounded as weak as Obama.
Hi, everyone!
The Intercept is live blogging it with commentators. I didn't click on it out of fear of hearing their voices. It's painful on my whole body.
I'll be reading the comments. Thanks to those with the stomach for this. My brother is sending me updates, too.
Thanks for hosting, Alpha!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Wow! Even Democracy Now
and Cenk have joined the let's retreat and get some democracy later talking point. Yeah Trump is a disaster but what about The Mad Bomber? Oh she's better cause she doesn't encourage the racist assholes like Trump does. Does no one see the beyond the false words of hate and killing that fall out of both of these psycho's mouth's. Who believes this shit?
Sorry no can do as far as even following this. Both of them and those they represent are pure evil and it's Quisling time in the USA, USA, USA! if you think choosing between either of these seriously creepy, unfit for office, psycho's is all your can do. Bullshit! Stand up and be counted (or not) but do not believe that this is all we can get. Why are we stuck thinking that because The Mad Bomber does not use the language that The Hairball does she is any better on any level. She's not you know. Why listen to this debate that has nothing to do with the horrific inhumane unnecessary reality we all globally live in? Why is this 'debate' even on the stage?
Amy Goodman too??????
Hoping Hill passes out or seizes.
And I still vote for Bern to come streaking across the stage!
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LOL! That's just funny!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
OMG, Bernie Streaking out on stage to Surfing Bird....
Would make my life.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZThquH5t0ow]
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
they sound like a couple fighting ... lol /nt
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