Bernie Should Beg For Forgiveness!!!
He should prostate himself before the almighty Democratic Party and plead to be pardoned for daring to fight for the weakest!
He should grovel before the anointed one for daring to take on the DNC!
He should donate a pound of his flesh to the Party grandees and pray to be absolved of all his sins!
He should abandon all hope like the rest of you oiks!
We won, so fuck you!
Oh and by the way
You should get on the bus in the name of #partyunity!
Hillary is not as bad as Trump!
This is the vibe I am getting after this primary season from the winners as I watch the Democratic Party congeal around their choice.
As many on the left know all too well:
If she wins it will be in despite of us.
If she loses the easiest election in living memory it will be our fault for making the primary competitive.
No matter who wins in November we will be given nothing but Lip Service until our votes are needed in 2018.
If we dislike both of the most dislikeable couple of people to ever run for the highest office in the land and yet fail to vote for either we are a disgrace.
You know what
I don't fucking care any more, it's the same bloody song every time, all they want is our cash and votes, after that we can go to hell.
They are starting to point out that if they also get majorities in the House and Senate that somehow recent history will become irrelevant and the Democratic Party will magically change and support progressive policies, like that happened in 2008. My view will be that the lessons from 2010 and 2014 will be that the Democratic party was too far to the left and further re-centring will be necessary.
Last time at least Democrats voted for hope and change, this time they have voted Status Quo or bust.
The only reason the Republican Party is still breathing is because the Democratic Party is still clinging to "we are not as bad as" as a winning strategy. The reality is: that both parties like things just the way they are thank you very much, it keeps the cash registers ringing.
The revolution is here and now, not when one party or the other says it's convenient.
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Congeal is a nice word. Clot is another.
Clots can cause heart attacks and strokes. Sound good?
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The Coagulum a new name for the Party
"Congeal" is just perfect!
Conjures up imagery of old, cold, gooey grease... Well past its expiration date.
Twain Disciple
In addition to
Eliciting feeling of nausea.
"Politics is not evil; politics is the human race's most magnificent achievement." Senator Tom Fries, 'Podkayne of Mars,' Robert Heinlein
Righteous rant, LF. "Pander" is another good word.
Righteous rant, LF. "Pander" is another good word.
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indeed
The word "pander" comes from the Triolus and Cressida
story in which Pandarus convinces Cressida to betray her husband and have an affair with Troilus. So Pandarus was a pimp.
That's the value of an English Lit. major!
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Hillary is a Pander-bear not a Care-Bear....
Well, unless you mean in this respect, "I care about the poor! I care about how they are using up all OUR resources and should be culled." - Inside Clinton's mind...
The DNC has gotten so foul that I am at a loss for words.
I just cannot come up with vile enough rhetoric to express how I feel about them that wouldn't just consist of a long list of expletives, profanity and all around vitriol that wouldn't be fit for any company, let alone polite company, lol!
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Sounds Like Bernie's Plan Is To Shame The Dem Party
into change based on its betrayal of the working class. In doing so, hopefully it drives voters out of the Dem party to support third parties. I need no more convincing. I will never vote for another dem party candidate. They are too corrupt and the Party cannot be saved. Nothing will ever change until people give up on the corrupt dem/repub duopoly.
Have not heard Bernie's speech yet. Going to listen later today. But from the live blog thread, sounded like he did NOT endorse Hellery. Thank you Bernie.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Truth!
Thank you, that's very well-put. All these DNC types whining that "indies" owe the Democratic Party since "they let Bernie run in their party". Somebody actually said that to me not long ago--I laughed right in her face (she wasn't a 'friend', per se, so I let it rip). The DNC and its corrupt candidate can fuck right off, I'm done with them too.
Bernie's not one of Them
I had a similar experience recently. The conversation started with "I'm worried about Bernie supporters getting behind HRC. He's not even a Democrat and has done all this." I responded the Dem party at the national level left me and I had been a Dem for decades. He was shocked and I believe he got my message.
He most definitely did not.
In fact, as someone rightfully observed on TPW: "Instead of endorsing her, he's recruiting an army against her kind."
I think he's going to step into a leadership role for BrandNewCongress. And together, we're going to elect a House and Senate full of those who WILL hold HRC or Trump accountable.
I've been so disheartened by how this entire primary went down, until I saw Bernie's address last night. Viva la Revolution!
i think your image is perfect for...
....the next phase. Bernie Sanders as Uncle Sam "I Want You." speaks perfectly for the next phase of the political revolution. I would love to have that image on a sticker that I can plaster on my car if and when my Sander for President stickers no longer apply and I remove them. maybe someone techy enough to upload the image to one of those bumpersticker websites or does a sticker already exist somewhere? the image alone or if it said "I want you" or "I want you for the political revolution."
BNC
They have already started the meetings. I missed the one in my area but will likely get going shortly.
"Politics is not evil; politics is the human race's most magnificent achievement." Senator Tom Fries, 'Podkayne of Mars,' Robert Heinlein
BNC meetings still happening
Check to be sure your BNC organizing meeting has already happened. Our local meeting has been pushed back by a month or so.
Oh, cool!
Thanks, I'll check.
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The most rec'd diary....
discusses how horrible Canova is compared to the illustrious DWS. Place went to shit without a handbag.
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams
Good for them supporting DWS she is one of them
They are marked. Not us.
We are the Good Guys (and Gals). Certain looks are passed among us now. We get it, the whole sordid mess. Not buying it.
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I feel sorry for DWS all she ever did is what she was
told to do.
heh
Didn't work last time*. Won't work this time either.
* Ve vas chust following horders."
Fl has a lot of sinkholes. Maybe she'll find one of them. Sorry, just can't muster up being charitable in her case.
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I am still thinking of writing a Diary on Kos on how she was betrayed
If you do that ...
It might be the one thing to convince me to return there! LOL.
It took me awhile ... I would still go for the BNRs ... but I woke up today knowing I'd cut the cord for good.
Still, I wouldn't be able to resist reading this one.
I caved already.
if you do I can read it but I can't uprate it because I was a
meanie to Democrats and Obama during the Healthcare coverage hearings. Otherwise, I'd sure as hell love the opportunity to watch the place have a collective nervous breakdown if you did write it. That would be a day-maker. Especially considering how angry they must be after Bernie's speech!
(To be clear, they let me remain a 'member', I'm just not allowed to 'speak' on that site. And I still get hit up for donations - which will NEVER happen.)
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
No sorry here.
She didn't have to take the position or follow orders/
A holocaust survivor
the mother of a friend, once said of the Nazis who made the "just following orders" defense, "They could have gotten honest work if they had wanted." If DWS was anything other than a corporate lackey (I will avoid another appropriate but sexist word) she would have treated Bernie fairly or stepped down (like Tulsi Gabbard did).
That is what I wrote about Hillary when people were saying that
Had to follow Obama's orders in pushing for the TPP.
If she disagreed with him on the TPP being the gold standard of trade agreements, then she would have quit. Just like the many military officers who quit when Bush wanted to invade Iraq. As did the people who worked for the Clintons during welfare reform.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Or those who quit Nixon's administration.
Lt Calley also claimed to be only
following orders. Results: Over two hundred dead.
How many will die because DWS was only following orders?
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
I was a TA for a prof who knew Calley when she was a child.
She said that even at a young age, she thought he was an asshole. That was the only time I ever heard her use less than polite language. Although in this case, it was proper.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
While true, there's no
evidence to suggest she didn't love every minute of it. Fuck her.
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I haven't been back
for I think a couple of weeks now and my blood pressure thanks me for it.
I always suspected that there were a lot more centrists there posing as liberals and progressives, which was pretty clear with the subtle concern trolling that's been going on for years but now that Markos has basically come out as an establishment neoliberal centrist, they all no longer feel that they need to pretend to be the slightest bit progressive.
It reminds me a lot of when Obama was elected and the racists came out of the woodwork. Sanders started his run and all of the people who praised Sanders in the past (just so long as he stayed in his little box in the Senate), ostensibly as a way to fraudulently pad their progressive credibility, ripped their masks off and are now showing themselves to be the neoliberal right-leaners that they were all along.
Having spend so much of my time there over the last decade plus makes me feel a profound sense of betrayal; Markos and his sycophants there have been using me (and everyone else that actually is progressive) lo these many years, and our participation there helped make Markos a very wealthy man while the supposed mission of his blog hasn't made any real headway at all.
It has left me very jaded and it is the reason that I don't think that in the end I'll be able to pull the lever for Clinton. I have come to the realization that neoliberal centrists are more damaging to the cause of real progress than the extremist right. Much like MLK found the white moderate to be the greater stumbling block in the stride toward freedom than the Klu Klux Klanner, so is the neoliberal centrist the greater stumbling block in the stride toward progress than the extremist right-winger.
I cannot make common cause with such destructive forces. I cannot stand beside them in support of someone that I sincerely believe will do more harm to the cause of progress than they will do good. If Bernie Sanders came to my house to implore me to hold my nose and vote for Clinton, I don't think I could even do it then. I've seen things that I can't un-see, the bell can't be un-rung. The toothpaste is out of the tube, pick your analogy.
This election has been much more of an eye opener for me than any in the past in terms of understanding who the real enemies of progress actually are, and it ain't the GOP.
Arrr...the laws of science be a harsh mistress -Bender B. Rodriguez
I feel more dissappointed than betrayed
I knew when writing diaries then toning them down to avoid the free for all and that many were centrists/conservatives with a small "c". Amazing all the new names coming out the woodwork to hail Neo-Kos and immediately knowing everything about the site, it took me months to work it all out
So we all feel a little guilt at being misled for so long.
It's embarrassing to be led by the nose, in retrospect. But it ended up a FAIL for us. We are wiser now, I hope. Pick your friends wisely and on occasion, test. Several times burned here, some financially. I know some enemies.
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I think that is the biggest reason I was so pissed at TOP....
I spent years and years as a republican, I bought into their bullshit that they really were about spending our tax money responsibly, etc. etc. etc.
Then after getting the Internet and doing a lot of research I discovered that not only were they not what they claimed to be, I wasn't what I thought I was either.
I wasn't a Conservative, I was a progressive. I didn't mind taxes, I minded what it was being used for, and that wasn't what I wanted.
So I joined the party of progressives..
Wash rinse and repeat.
It's the same bullshit product sold with a different sales pitch. Two sides of the same exact fucking coin...
I realized after about a month being away from the Great Orange Shithouse that I wasn't so much mad at them, I was disgusted with myself for falling for the same fucking thing I fell for last time, and jumped right back into the habit of settling for the lessor evil, just one belonging to a different team no less.
I am not giving them a chance to fool me a 3rd time. They can all die in a fire as far as I am concerned.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
It's Difficult to Wade through the BS
When there is so much propaganda out there and people trying to fool you to get your vote or your little $$, it's tough. I've had to accept this, but I'm not giving up hope and know Bernie Sanders will help lead us progressives somewhere that makes a difference. All we want to do is make the world a better place. There are more of us than "Them", but Forces have been fighting that for a while.
There are more of us than
Since the beginning of mankind, I believe. We're in good company.
The smaller the mind the greater the conceit. --Aesop
True Progressives don't think like Them
A true Progressive doesn't think like members of the fake Progressive "community". If you don't think that way, you almost have to get "hit in the head" in order to see it. True Progressives want to help people and there is an emotional component attached to the political thinking. This primary showed me and I have woke up. I resent having to be so cautious of the Dems, but that is the way it is. I also feel foolish and taken advantage of. I tell myself I will be stronger for the experience.
Virtually every diary should be tagged DBAD
No one annoys me more than BBB at that place. The other day while hypocritically and profanely making the case for Warren as VP (I remember she HAD to stay in the Senate in 2015) I went off looking to see what he was saying about Warren in 2015. Not much actually but I found this gem which encapsulates the lot of them.
brooklynbadboy GrimReefa
Feb 09 · 07:08:50 AM
Im under no illusions.
I know there wont be any change to the status quo under Clinton. No different than Obama and only marginally different on economics than whomever a GOP president would be.
But the fact is we do have to have a president, so it should be a Democrat for a lot of very good reasons. So therefore, I want her to run the best most dishonest campaign she can.
She can govern just like moderate republican Obama, but winning is vital.
------------
Game, Set, Match.
the ultimate betrayal
of Kos to the progressive movement is now so apparent that this is indisputable. But the thing that gripes me the most, considering how we lined Kos's pockets is that the best writers (aka producers of free product for the Markos Machine) have been writers who have now migrated to c99 and elsewhere.
As far as electing "more and better" Democrats, what a joke! The beloved DWS has been and still is a disaster on many levels. To read here that she is being supported at GOS is just more proof of their descent to the nether world.
Please do not call HRC and her HillBots centrists! That appellation drives me crazy. She is a Right Wing Republican--not just a DINO--but a full-fledged, unflinching Right Winger. I won't contest that BHO is a centrist who sold us out on his campaign of hope and change...but he is no PNAC die-hard (tho has done some serious military damage, even without HRC's fervid assistance). HRC's actions leave me in no doubt that as goofy as Trump is, HRC is a known quantum of evil. I wouldn't want her fingers anywhere the nuclear football. I won't vote for Trump--but never Hillary!
Clinton and Obama
Clinton and Obama are both neo-liberals (basically an economic ideology), but Clinton is also a neo-conservative (which is an ideology that promotes American superiority throughout the world via regime change and military intervention).
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Neoliberalism & Neoconservatism: Bad News
Bad news for the little people when someone uses neocon policies to promote neoliberalism across the globe. This further cements neoliberalism in our country.
How could they be more wrong
How could they be more wrong about what makes America great?
Beware the bullshit factories.
They have absolutely no association with
many small, great Americans. None. We surround them and are invisible to them. Except as "voters".
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Ah, Rome, circa 100 BC. n/t
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I recall reading that these neocons had Rome in
mind. Pax Romana became Pax Americana.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Alligator Ed, here's a list of people that used to write for DK
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Kos
The topics that these people used to write about is what made DK a great 'progressive' website. I have been a member there since 2005 and can't believe how much it has changed since I joined.
There aren't any decent writers who cover different types of topics like we see here in the EBs.
Now it's either Hillary central, anti Bernie central, Trump central or the dumb things that the republicans do central. If I want to read about the dumb things that the republicans do then I will go to the huff post.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Wasn't Shaun King a front pager? He got outta Dodge
just in time!
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
You're right, the place is full of 'centrists' although they
lean more center RIGHT than center Left. And it's run buy a huge OPPORTUNIST. He fits right in with Pay Day Debbie and the rest of the fake 'Democrats'.
I wonder how Kos feels since his "we got rid of DWS for you so sit down and shut up' screed went over like a lead fart?
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
How Kos "feels"
He feels like he's not superior unless he's scolding someone and verbally abusing them. He's a whiny little self-serving asshole who can go to Hell for all I care.
Well said. We are on the same page as far as voting or not for
Clinton. I won't under any circumstances. This quote:
is exactly what I've been saying relating to how the corruption of the DNC/DLC/DWS cabal has been exposed this primary season. I was truly shocked when I realized how deeply seated racism is in this country with the election of Obama. We must not continue the lesser of two evils paradigm. And the only way to do that is to bite the bullet and vote your conscience. A Trump presidency would be horrible, but at least we would see the end not only of the Republican Party, but the Dems as well and the Clinton's to boot. #BernieOrBust #BernieOrJill
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Well of course it does, it's Little Debbie's turn
to be saved. They think they're so special and so honorable over at that orange sludge pit, that one of their precious little "diaries" will change the world. They are so self-smug about the notion that they will save DWS from all the
truebad things people dare say about her. Pure fantasy. She's too chickenshit to even debate him, so she's another one that can fuck right off...Who was the diarist?
I need a chuckle ...
Take your pick. There are many people who keep
Writing the same type of diary about how Bernie needs to quit and get his ass behind getting Clinton nominated and start destroying trump.
But it may have been the one by Bonsai 66 from yesterday evening.
That's the diary where someone took a screenshot of one of my comments and posted it over there.
I have seen quite a few comments about what we write about here and on KFB's website.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Speaking of that place
In one of the diaries about Bernie's speech and people were calling him names like asshole and worse, telling him to fuck off and take his supporters with him, I called them out on those types of comments.
And one person came to this site and screen grabbed one of my comments and posted it over there.
I have no idea what to make of that type of behavior, except to agree with kharma that place went to hell without a handbag.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Hi LaFeminista,
I have loved seeing your byline for years, but I always seem to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, lifetime affliction, to get to chat with you. Maybe this morning?
Why are you and so many others giving up on Bernie now? I have, personally, found more reasons to be hopeful lately than before when so many were still still cheering him on instead of planning as if that woman has won the primary. July 25 could be a long way off for someone like her as new insight into her deviousness, and criminal behavior pops up almost daily, not to mention that it's obvious she has stolen this primary from the word go and besides the FBI she has Judicial Watch after her for FOIA infractions, and 2016 Election Fraud & Voter Suppression Lawsuit for The People, the highest unfavorable ratings of a dem candidate in history and more that would tire me out to write about here.
Am I wrong? Is it time to stop dreaming? I'm begging you, if I am wrong can you snap me out of it? You, I will listen to you.
'Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years, Doctor, and I’m happy to state I finally won out over it." Elwood P. Dowd "
I'm lucky Bernie is my Senator and I win anyway
He has always says it starts from the bottom on up, he has rattled the Democratic Party to it's corrupt core but he wont win this time around the Party whip is being wielded without remorse hence the super delegates disparity from day one. I am saddend he had to join their circus to get his message across in the first place
It's time to continue what he has started and to keep at it for as long as it takes.
I still don't get it.
Too many progressives are buying into this farce of a primary outcome. It doesn't help when Bernies' people express this attitude. He is still asking us to believe in himself, his campaign, and the revolution. I've been voting for a long, long, long time, and I do my due diligence. I guess there is always a chance I'm deluded, but if I am it is a grand delusion.
I am looking forward to your next righteous and raucous essay, LaFeminista. I intend absolutely no disrespect. Please forgive me if I have come across that way.
'Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years, Doctor, and I’m happy to state I finally won out over it." Elwood P. Dowd "
It's their party and they can cheat if they want to
They want closed primaries etc etc, they can have them but then they must also respect other wanting to start another party which they don't.
I have had it with the Democratic Party and their supporters, I just regard them as part of the problem
yes
they are as much of the problem as the rwingers. They will lead us into greater economic inequality, a sicker planet and endless war.
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams
It's their media too
and their corrupt government. Too many people are still unaware in the matrix. I am hoping the email and election fraud legal actions break through the false Hillary glow that so many of the indoctrinated see.
Beware the bullshit factories.
I'm surely with you there.
This will sound dumb, but I have been a democrat since before I could vote. My 2 favorite people (Dad and Grandpa) were democrats, actually all of my immediate family. Not long ago I was having trouble leaving the party. Now I am just waiting for the best day. It seems like a good idea to wait and add my re-register to others to make a bigger impact. I'm just assuming it would be better that way. I'm not sure.
Perhaps it is because I have this sense of a personal and public betrayal, but it seems the democrats are worse than the repubs and I have no love for republicans at all.
'Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years, Doctor, and I’m happy to state I finally won out over it." Elwood P. Dowd "
You did not sound dumb
I'm in the same boat with you, and the Dem party was the party of my parents and grandparents. (all big FDR Democrats and politically active) My sister and I are now going to vote 3rd party if it's Clinton or Trump. We've never done that, but after all the stuff we saw the Dem party do this primary season, we want nothing to do with it. For them to act like they care about the little people is very insulting. They are just the opposite. Bernie Sanders was the real deal and sis and I are happy we got a chance to vote for a real FDR Democrat.
We don't buy into it--she cheated.
Blatant election fraud everywhere. But if Bernie doesn't take up that fight, she will, basically, "win"--by paying off the refs.
Yes, Bernie could still do something, but it's unlikely it will be as Dem nominee.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I don't think you are wrong.
I admit that I am an optimist (still in my robe, wandering out to rescue a suet feeder and collect the puppy). I am holding out with hope. Stay the course. And Peace.
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No, it's not time to stop dreaming, or fighting, but there is
plenty of reasons to make this a time for solid cussing and ranting.
Seriously though, while many are venting steam and annoyance, I doubt too many are unaware that there is a chance that Clinton will implode before the convention.
But based on all the stuff that has come out I am not so sure it will work anyway.
I am firmly convinced that the DNC/3rd wayers would much rather lose an election with Clinton than lose their grip on the party with a Sanders Victory.
They don't really care one way or another which party wins, the oligarchs already own both so to them it doesn't matter.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
All about the money
This is what scared the crapola out of the DNC: the idea that a campaign financed without corporate dollars could potentially succeed. $27 at a time doesn't leave much extra for the lifestyles that democratic leaders have been accustomed to. There are so many things that baffle me about Clinton supporters, but their inability to or disinterest in accounting for the incredible wealth acquired by Bill and Hillary in such a short period is at the top. There are only two doors. Connecting them should be simple.
So you're absolutely right. If Clinton loses to Trump, the money keeps flowing because the boogeyman must be taken down. If Sanders had won, the DNC would have folded.
Let's scare the crap out of them again
and start sending those 27 dollar donations to Jill Stein. We can't wait forever on the FBI.
Beware the bullshit factories.
I'll send in my $27 for Jill after the convention if Bernie lose
She does need it now.
There's not much time between the convention and the election.
Beware the bullshit factories.
She's gotten this far
she can wait another few weeks. We'll all know soon enough, once that convention gavel bangs it closed, and you won't believe what "high gear" is gonna look like after that.
Besides, I'm kinda tapped out. I gave some extra to Sanders after the CA primary but medical bills are whompin' me again (I'm okay, just busted one of my elbow bones, owchhh--I hate being such a klutz, it's the story of my life....)
Sounds painful
Hopefully the broken elbow is not on the same side as your handedness.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Fortunately, it's not
but it does hurt. Imagine breakin' your funny bone, that's kinda how it feels
True. They'd rather lose
with their Queen than win with the riff raff.
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they'd rather lose
to Donald Trump than win with Bernie. imo she doesn't stand a chance against trump.... thanks to Obama and the democratic party relegating democratic party principles to the trash heap of history.
Yep...
Their grip on the party is strong. But you know what? For the first time in living memory, I think we might actually have a chance to strike a powerful blow against the Empire.
She is so far to the right (war & peace & corporate power), and he is sufficiently 'leftish' (supported abortion before he was against it, less hawkish) that it really doesn't matter so much this time. We're screwed no matter which of them wins.
For that reason, because she has made it such a toss up for us, we are actually free this election season to show our resentment at how we were treated by fully depriving them of any of our support, no matter what Bernie has to say to us.
Why 'go nuclear?' Because this time, if Hillary loses, the Clinton 'empire' within the Democratic Party will be severely discredited. The Centrists would be forever damaged by the stupidity/foolishness of their tactics, their desperate willingness to assassinate the character of a true friend of the party.
It could very well give us the opening we need to begin radically transforming the Dem Party into The People's party. If she loses, those institutional Democrats (like Joe Biden) who liked what Bernie was saying would be given the political cover they need to break away from The Losers.
That is really what is at stake for us this fall. Yes, those stakes are very high indeed.
So high that, if Hillary is competitive in late October due to the support she is getting from warhawk Republicans, I will in all likelihood go from writing in Bernie's name on the ballot to voting for Trump outright.
Trump may still say something that truly terrifies me between now and then, but there is at least one scenario in which I would do the unthinkable---vote for a Republican---simply because of the good it would do for the future of the Democratic Party and the prospects of defeating the Oligarchy in the long run.
James Kroeger
Vermont allows and counts write ins
I cannot vote for an odious buffoon so I'll probably just write in
He is indeed an odious buffoon...
...but then again, I also find most of Hillary's foreign policy instincts more than a little bit odious. I do indeed have an active fear of Hillary Clinton making the ultimate decisions as Commander-in-Chief.
James Kroeger
Indeed James, I have been encouraging people to go Green rather
than do a "spite" vote for Trump for quite some time.
I don't think I am going to try to convince them to do that anymore.
The more I look at the situation from a purely tactical perspective the more reasons I can come up with to vote for a racist Oompa Loompa over a murdering war criminal and election fraud conductor...
Something that leaves me both disgusted with both parties and just a tad with myself for even considering it, but when you look at the potentials for long term damage that each represents it appears that Clinton would actually be the worse choice ultimately.
And that is one giant ball of fucked uppedness right there.....
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I had to laugh...
...when I read this:
So true... And like you, I've always been forever against acting in spite, but this just seems to be unfolding in a way that actually makes the spiteful option the most rational move to pursue.
If we don't do what we can to reward them for their incredible disloyalty to sacred Democratic Party traditions, they'll just grow stronger in all their manipulative glory. (shaking head) We can't let that happen if we care about everything we've poured our hearts and souls into over the past year...
James Kroeger
Few of the Republicans seem to be cooperating with Trump
If he became President he would be forced to appeal to the People to get anything done because he will have a very hostile Congress. I'll be voting for Jill Stein, unless the FBI pulls through for us.
Beware the bullshit factories.
"I'll be voting for Jill Stein, unless the FBI pulls through"
It really is the perfect clip atm...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI5gblI82rg]
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
It won't matter who I vote for for president
I live in NY.
SomI am interested to see who the WFP puts at the top of their ticket
Her or Bernie.... They endorsed Bernie
If he IS at the top of the WFP ticket. I will probably vote for Bernie
If HER is at the top of their ticket. I am done voting on the WFP line
Orwell was an optimist
WFP?
Refresh my memory please--that's Workers (something) Party, isn't it?
(thanks!)
Working family party
Orwell was an optimist
working families party
bring your kid to vote. I have been voting on their party line, they historically endorse Dems, but endorsed Bernie in Dec 2015. No idea if they will topline him. If so, voting will be easier in NY.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
WFP...
is Working Families Party, iirc.
Despair is NOT an option!
Trump AKA BOB- Bloviating Orange Billionaire, another orange
thing that disgusts me along with the GOS.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020
Somewhere in the Slavoj Zizek opus --
amidst all of the Lacanian metaconversation and theoretically-minded cleverness (which is after all what Zizek is good for), there is a short and very reasonable passage about the dialectic between right-wing nationalism and "center-left" neoliberalism. When Zizek writes about this topic he's usually discussing the former Yugoslavia (that's where he's from, after all), but his thought applies to practically any political conversation you care to name, from Europe to India to Donald Trump.
The gist of it is this: neoliberal policy provokes right-wing nationalism, which in turn drives the "Left" and everyone else further into the arms of the neoliberals. Rinse and repeat. There's no winning in this dialectic -- right now the right-wing nationalists get neoliberal policy, which screws everyone over, but eventually the neoliberals get right-wing nationalist policy, too. This is what I meant when I argued that Clinton cannot stop Trumpism.
There is simply no point to voting for either end of the dialectic. Do not vote for Clinton; do not vote for Trump. Try your best to vote for someone with half a chance of ending the dialectic, now or twenty years from now.
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
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