Thursday Open Thread 7-26-2018


Good Morning. The Thursday Open Thread has been though a complete annual cycle under my voice. It is time for new thoughts and new directions. Next week Magiamma will start as caretaker of Thursday mornings.

A few random thoughts.

Balance
The goal to stand upright, balanced and move in the desired direction requires skill and knowledge. Few of us notice the micromovements of muscle being coordinated with the rest of the body while standing on flat land with strong legs and no wind. It's a little more challenging to stay balanced on a hillside with loose gravel or a small boat. Poor coordination between analyzing incoming information, executions of an action and evaluation of results will lead to a fall. Knowing how to exert some control on a fall becomes a valuable skill. Add an extreme storm to challenge the simple balance of standing and staying upright or a controlled fall might not be options. The skills one has to rebuild a life filled with contentment are highly valuable. The skill can be acquired and practiced now, never a better time to start.

How Does My Garden Grow (evolution of gardening)
As a child - Mom stayed at home to grow, preserve and cook majority of meals at home. Created more economic wealth for the family than when she was working as a waitress. Dad shifted from regular hunting and foraging to raising animals for food and cash crops. Less interference with work at the mill.

As a teenager - added my time toward labor in the garden, animal husbandry and a few cash crops.

Dorm living - Cafeteria eating lasted one term. Then brought preserved food from home, got creative with a hot plate (skillet) and hot pot (boiled water).

Apartment Living - grew sprouts and potted herbs (chives, basil and thyme). Gleaned from home and relatives as trade for labor (helping out occasionally).

First house - career building, created small garden spot for salad vegetables and continued gleaning.

Second house - early stages of a business, had time to grow summer tomatoes, sprouts and a small herb garden.

Third house - poor soil, no time due to business so I shared cost of an established garden plot. Assisted with harvest and preservation for part of crop.

Current house - revived an abandoned orchard. Assisted with creating a garden plot - contaminated soil failed two years and most of transplanted plants died. Second garden spot did better. Built a sunroom for housebound parent added houseplants, herbs pots and started container vegetable growing. Been using livestock to improve soils . Trees for shade, firewood and wind barriers. Became inspired last year with the everyone's input and stories. Grew winter salad greens, radishes, peas, broccoli, bok choy. chard and citrus in containers. Built raised beds for summer vegetables. Have started beds for cane berries, strawberries and asparagus. Not good results with the starts shipped from across the country. Discovered the value of local garden club fund raising events - acclimatized plant starts. Next year will start adding more permanent raised beds and walk paths wide enough for a wheelchair or a golf cart. Thinking about adding sprouts to the diet again, does not require sunlight.

Future - time will tell - maybe better at starting plants for transplanting. Still have a few irrigated acres to improve while playing farmer, rancher and builder.

China
Started as a journey to have a wider understanding of health and herbal component of traditional chinese medicine. Discovered a consistent circular philosophy of energy changes and numbers used to explain the universe, world, human society and individual health. Their ancient civilization was not destroyed and rebuilt into a totally new culture, but continues to evolve from the original. Patterns can start to be seen regarding controlling population

The pictorial written language interpreted into modern languages lets us hear the actual voices of past humans and their thoughts. We are not limited to making educated guesses of how a society treated its citizens based on archeological objects. Additional bonus, translations done at different periods of time gives glimpses of changing western world views.

The myth American leaders seem to believe is Chinese are not inventors and can only copy or steal Western innovations to advance their culture may be our downfall.

Three articles that may be of interest regarding foreign policies.
US diplomats act like imperial governors riding roughshod over sovereignty of national governments
Indian diplomacy and the American Imperium (Part I)
Indian diplomacy and the American Imperium (Part II)

Health
Food therapy is one of the four cornerstones of traditional Chinese medicine in maintaining health and treating disorders. One description of cooking I found was "The art of cooking is making medicine taste good". Western medicine has tried to minimize diet and its importance in maintaining health and therapy fluctuates at different times. Supplements are not the same as quality food.

Three diaries might be worth looking at again as a refresher.
Healthy New Year advice: avoid the first operation by Alligator Ed
Mitigating Medication Misadventures by myself.
Revolutionize your life with radical self-care by OPOL

Working Together
Three different personalities and work styles on stage for a student audience at the Mathematical Sciences Research Institute. Plenty of awkward pauses, humor and a persistent professor patiently keeping it moving in the direction he planned despite the effort of two experienced comedians used to controlling the stage. (9 ten minute videos)
Bob Osserman, Steve Martin and Robin Williams

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lotlizard's picture

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/17/nyregion/nxivm-women-branded-albany.html

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/nxivm-in-court-state-w...

. . . prosecutors brought charges against four more members of the alleged cult; Clare Bronfman (an heiress to the Seagram’s liquor company fortune), Nancy Salzman (NXIVM’s co-founder and president), her daughter Lauren Salzman (a high-ranking recruiter) and bookkeeper Kathy Russell join [NXIVM founder Keith] Raniere and Alison Mack, a former actress turned NXIVM staffer, in facing charges of “racketeering conspiracy involving an array of crimes, including identity theft, extortion, forced labor, sex trafficking, money laundering, wire fraud and obstruction of justice.”

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@lotlizard discussions linking the NXIVM to pizzagate, use of project MK-ULTRA, a mind-control program developed by the CIA, ignoring reports of problems for years by legal authorities, focusing on individuals from wealthy families and passing of major internal leader last year.

Reminds me of the Rashneeshprum saga mention in the March 23 Open Thread.

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Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.

Thank you studentofearth for all of the great morning conversations. It seems like just yesterday you started writing OTs for us. Time sure does fly. Looking forward to reading Magiamma. Thanks again.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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@dkmich

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Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.

I missed it the first time. I won't go into detail, but boy, is the advice hitting home right now.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

detroitmechworks's picture

Of course, one of the things I learned in martial arts is that before you can do ANYTHING, you really need to know how to fall. Physically, I'm getting it. Mentally, I'm working on it. Economically, I still need a LOT of work. Smile

Thanks again, hope to still see you around here, and hopefully at PDX meetups when I get around to doing another one.

And quick plug for the Logos Series. This one's the "Invocation". Third piece in the play after the opening joke and chorus.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

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@detroitmechworks
Check messages.

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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

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@Azazello

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@detroitmechworks One has to know the rules, play well and notice when the opponents (banks and oligarchy) are cheating or changing the rules of the game. The hardest part is separating ones emotions from financial game playing.

Enjoying your series.

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detroitmechworks's picture

@studentofearth Always thrilled to just be read. Smile

I'll keep working on the economic falling techniques... Damn, that would be an awesome name for a book, just thinking of it. "Economic Falling Techniques" Keizai Ukemi. Smile

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mhagle's picture

This past year I have looked forward to Thursday mornings. Past couple of months have not been able to read them until late because of the need to garden early.

You are wise my friend.

I should reread your OTs. Am behind on reading detroitmechworks recent series and see they are listed under his account, so plan to have a marathon after I have finished harvesting peaches. Will do a Thursday Morning OT marathon as well.

Two important recent finds.

  1. Song of the Lark recently introduced me to author Carolyn Baker. I am about halfway through the book she recently authored with Andrew Harvey titled, Return to Joy. The first impression of the title may make one think it is some sort of goofy religious thing. No. They are both psychologists who have worked with grief counseling. It involves looking at extinction in the face, dealing with our collective and individual shadows, and drawing from our indigenous presence in the earth and the universe to return to joy. Much of the book so far mirrors discussions here at c99.
  2. Several months ago I read an article at resilience.org by Michael Brownlee and Lynette Marie Hanthorn about their work at Local Food Catalysts LLC in Colorado and the Local Food Summit. I am doing a Zoom conference call with them this afternoon, hoping to find some direction in efforts to do local food work here at home. It would be great to connect with other local folks who are doing this work, however I fear there may be none! Sigh . . .

I have received so much guidance and inspiration from your OTs, studentofearth, I don't know how to begin to thank you!

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Marilyn

"Make dirt, not war." eyo

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@mhagle Actually a little amazed at the scope of information covered the past few months.

Joy is part of every major religious movement and a necessary part of life. It is easily lost in the attempt to control individuals through religion. The more responsibilities we take on it becomes to easy to skip joyful activities to stretch time.

Locally our food banks, senior center kitchen and church organized meals will accept vegetables, fruit and meat from home producers. The local extension service works with farmers markets for grower to accept electronic payments for WIC (federal women,infant & children nutrition program) and food stamps. Hopefully some good ideas today from the phone call. It is easier to fit into an existing program and community of people than start from scratch.

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--When the opening appears release yourself.

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@studentofearth

I spoke with Lynette. She is from Iowa too and happens to be neighbors and good friends with author Carolyn Baker. I told her about c99 having like-minded people. She brought c99 up online as we spoke. She is putting me in touch with her brother who is a gardener not far from me in Texas.

We are probably all much more connected than we think.

Sounds like you have wonderful local food activities where you live. That's great. In Austin TX they have a system where people donate garden veggies to shelters and food banks. That's about 3 hours from here. I should probably try to contact those people to get ideas though.

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Marilyn

"Make dirt, not war." eyo

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is, two years later, finally getting married and trying to get on with their lives.

In German — headline: “Two years after axe attack, couple weds in Hong Kong”
https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/bayern/Zwei-Jahre-nach-Axt-Attentat...

Two years ago, as reported (in English) on July 20, 2016:
http://www.thestandard.com.hk/section-news.php?id=171779
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-crime/article/1991626/two-hongko...

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@lotlizard to bounce back. Glad they survived and area able to move on with their life plans.

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enhydra lutris's picture

information and advice contained in them. I have learned a great deal in the process. Have a great day.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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@enhydra lutris made it a special year of learning. Thanks for being a participant and sharing.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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@enhydra lutris between auto-correct and dyslexia correct spelling is a challenge.

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Lookout's picture

Makes me think we need a regular gardening/cooking/health/homesteading...column. Thanks for all your work!

We'll look forward to Magiamma's essay next week. Happy gardening everyone!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Lookout worthwhile column. Thanks for the regular input of experienced homestead advice.

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earthling1's picture

Will miss your OTs but will continue to collaborate in all things gardening.
And everything else, too.

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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

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@earthling1 future meet-ups and share gardening stories

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Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.

It's Friday already, sorry I'm late. Thanks a lot for your year of essays, I thought they were all good. Can't believe how time flies. I must be having fun. Cheers!

Peace & Love

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