Swan Song - HRC Sliding in Polls, Losing States and $$$

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSGLTnL-aZE]

The reason that rich people are rich is because they don't send good money after bad.

The reason that HRC is "annoyed" by the Sanders campaign refusal to "tone it down" and to not just butt out of the DNC scheduled coronation is because her polls are slip-slip-slidin' away.


Her Favorability/Unfavorability gap is growing at a negative rate of 1/2 of a percentage point a week now.

and recent (and future) losses and her shrinking lead in polls for the key upcoming states of California and New York are all negatively impacting her fundraising.

Good money doesn't follow bad and her need to continuously leave the campaign trail to sit down with millionaires for their money and $30K plate dinners shows that she is losing the lifeblood that she needs to be competitive in a California primary.

After she loses New York it will be all over. Done.

This is why the knives are coming out, this is why she must go on the attack. This is what happens when you try to run business as usual oligopoly politics against the people and a campaign that is successfully forwarding a real political revolution.

oh, did I mention the F-Fucking-B.I?????

who in their right mind is going to give money to her now???

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/06/hillarys_world_collapsing_around_her_wis...

Hillary’s world collapsing around her: Wisconsin, Bernie’s surge and FBI probe poised to derail her White House bid
Clinton isn’t only facing a possible indictment, but also Sanders & millions of voters sick of status quo politics

Yes, the “undisputed fundraising machine” has raised “more money than any candidate in either party.” With all of Clinton’s Wall Street ties and prison lobbyist donors, Bernie Sanders soundly defeats the former Secretary of State and other Republicans in terms of fundraising.

Bernie’s Wisconsin victory will no doubt add even more money to the Sanders campaign. Like the inability of pundits to predict his ascent in national polls, and the Vermont Senator’s current political momentum, establishment critics never predicted the cascade of money flowing to Bernie Sanders. An article in The Washington Post titled “Bernie Sanders outraises Hillary Clinton for third consecutive month” highlights what poll numbers can’t tell you:

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’s fundraising juggernaut outraised Hillary Clinton’s campaign in March, surpassing her for the third consecutive month.

Clinton announced on Monday that her campaign had raised $29.5 million for the month compared with the $44 million raised by the Sanders campaign. Sanders’s March fundraising haul surpasses the campaign’s own record-setting $43.3 million raised in February.

and

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/274840-report-clinton-could-...

Earlier in the week, the Los Angeles Times reported that the FBI was in the process of arranging interviews with former State Department officials, possibly including Clinton herself.

Consider the collapse of the Clinton Campaign payback for the thousands of murdered children in Honduras, ok? Just to be totally honest and fair. . .

SWAN SONG

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Seems appropriate.

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Steven D's picture

or someone who time traveled back from the future and knows all this turns out in the end for the good guys and gals. Smile

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"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott

So there's that.

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"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."

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and they appear, at least to me, to have been at least somewhat consistent to that end. And it's not new, they were jagging her not long after Iowa and New Hampshire. So...do ya think it's sincere, or are they just playing Good Cop to Huffington Post's Bad Cop schtick?

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Bluesee's picture

...where you simply pick your adventure and get on board!

Who can have the 30000 ft view? We can only hope.

The fact is that there is a great loss of respect for objectivity. The paranoid tendencies among us will tend to seek patterns. So its why I like Steven D's comment. Salon can exercise their fantasies, TOP can hew to those of a Clintonian post-purge bent, but lying used to be cause for a duel in early America. Just saying we used to place that - "honor" - highly, probably because it was a matter of life or death for many.

So is Salon indulging and enticing us in fantasies of Clinton falling apart in a dramatic end-game? Is Bernie really as far behind as the AP, Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and the others claim he is?

We all have our opinions, but we can't have that 30 kft level, mostly because we find ourselves in isolated bubbles. Just like there are wayy too many types of Barbasol shaving cream, the information stream failure rate is at a Nate-Silver-confounding level (the data reveals this in fact), and will remain so until Hillary is gone. That is what I believe.

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Bernie is a win-win.

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If I may, I would like to respond to your post with a criticism.

I think I understand what you mean. I would like to provide you with my understanding of the word ideology and how this relates to an analysis of political discourse.

I believe that the problem is precisely that sources of information are NOT ideological, or intend to ignore ideology, treating ideology as something immoral, unethical, the word being a sophisticated version of "liar."

That it is associated with the great boogeyman of conservatives and liberals alike, communism, makes the word much harder to handle.

What makes us react against those who wish to foist their opinion upon us is precisely that they are pretending, ignoring, or simply do not understand that they have an ideology which they do not question and demand that we do not question it too.

The great benefit for us though is that they do not understand what their own ideology is, because they ignore it or claim it does not exist. And that knowledge is power.

What we call typically "ideology" is more "agendum," a goal to which the rhetoric of speech attempts to sway us. I think it is the agendum of the communication to which most of us react. We do not often think deeper about the ideological framework in which that agendum is proposed, choosing instead to reject the entire communication, the communicator, and everything else that surrounds it.

I say that in doing so, we deprive ourselves of an important acquisition which can help us better understand the world, and even persuade others.

Ideology is far, far more complex than an agendum. Ideology is to a rhetorical goal or agendum what the mathematics of Calabi-Yau manifolds is to grade-school algebra. Ideology proposes an entire ontological, epistemological, sociological, psychological, economic, and linguistic framework to understand whither all these agenda come which bombard us. It allows a systematic, even if flawed, approach to understanding a wide range of phenomena with a single, consistent (we hope!) set of rules.

Ideology can be a powerful tool to analyze the human reality behind political communication. However, it requires a lot of careful observation, thought, and reading. It is hard, it is time-consuming, and it seems pointless when everyone else is going about their fun lives. And yes, it can seem artificial and contrived at times.

Despite this, doing ideology can be a creative, introspective, and liberating process.

My thesis, reprinted often, is that one must have an ideology in order to propose real solutions beyond "elect this person and raise money for so-and-so." When we act, we want to act according to what we understand to be the good, and that good is not only for ourselves, but for others, right? So my point is, why would I act without clearly understanding what that good is, what my own assumptions about the good are, about social relations, about what I am expected to consume, purchase, build, create, and in what structures I am expected to participate in a political society. All of these things are tied to ideology.

Here is a link which I have posted elsewhere to a popular presentation of ideology:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ch5ZCGi0PQ
this is the first piece, you can follow the links to the other pieces on the sidebar at youtube.

Peace and love be with you, reader.

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BTW, what does your sig graphic say in cuneifom, or is it just decorative?

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Euterpe2

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thank you for asking about the graphic.

It is part of the cover art for the book Naira Creswick and the Tablet of Heavenly Secrets by Hexer Bontrip. This is a novel for young adults that combines racial and class struggle, education, ancient near eastern religion and scribal culture, the US occupation of Iraq, and higher mathematics.

I am not going to tell you what the cuneiform reads. That secret is revealed in the above-mentioned book. Telling you would spoil your enjoyment.

Hexer Bontrip, Naira Creswick and the Tablet of Heavenly Secrets www.createspace.com/4073302

Peace and love to you, reader.

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Now THAT sounds intriguing. Will try and get hold of it.

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Euterpe2

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Wow, thanks for that.

To examine my thoughts and clarify them, I am reminded of what prompted my post: I was recently on Twitter and I somehow stumbled into a filter that contained loyal Democrats (I assume) who happened to support HRC in her contentious fight against Sanders.

Wow, it was pretty caustic for a Bernie fan! They were all making up things about him and getting really mad about it! They seemed to synergize their mutual anger and yes, hatred. And I'm like "Wow, these things about Bernie aren't even true, and yet it is fomenting all this hatred!"

I blamed ideological thinking - the bad kind - that we have witnessed from the GOP for so long. I had wanted to believe that good Democrats wouldn't want to engage in that sort of groupthink, but I was seeing it. And then I wondered if I was capable of exhibiting that sort of self-delusion myself, and concluded that if I was, I might not notice it, but an outsider might perceive it clearly. Of course, they may have their own biases, just as I did when I saw the "Bernie bad" remarks in the HRC loyalist thread.

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Bernie is a win-win.

She's had to take time off from campaigning to fund raise. She certainly hasn't done well raising money for the last few months.
Also don't think she'd be going this ballistic if her internals weren't very bad!

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(blaming Bernie for the Sandy Hook deaths) reeks of desperation. Half the people who voted in the Dem primaries voted for Bernie. She flipping them all the bird by going nuclear. Not a move that someone would make unless desperate.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

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Gooooooooooooooo Bernieeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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your source complaint disregards the fact that she has raised significantly less money than Sanders over the last 3 months, that instead of growing in contributions she is actually declining over the last 2 months and that there is an FBI criminal investigation going on into her use of a private server/blackberry and classified info.

All of this is simple facts. The loss of momentum, the collapse of the polls her increasing unfavorability, what are her supporters going to do when her unfavorability tops 60%????

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If you do not understand that being part of the "establishment" is a slur in the minds of 99% of the U.S. population then you are completely out of touch and probably are one.

Bernie is now even with Hillary in national polls (which is a great achievement for him). Both candidates have a path to the nomination. I'm supporting Bernie. He's got my vote and my money.

However, it makes no sense to declare that Hillary’s "world" is "collapsing." The FBI is not conducting a criminal investigation, the DOJ won't indict her, and we won’t even be told about the results of the inquiry until after the Democratic convention in July.

It's great that Bernie is beating Hillary at fundraising, especially because this is a people-powered campaign. But Hillary gets a lot of Dem votes purely on name recognition. Yes, she is the least honest and trustworthy candidate (in either major party). It hasn't stopped people from voting for her. She has an advantage in closed primaries like NY, where only registered Democrats can vote and it's already past the registration deadline.

Hillary is 12 points ahead now in NY, let's hope Bernie can use his momentum to even it out or get an advantage by April 19. Let's say he does that. It won't narrow the gap in pledged delegates by very much.

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"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."

"The FBI is not conducting a criminal investigation, the DOJ won't indict her, and we won’t even be told about the results of the inquiry until after the Democratic convention in July."

If the FBI is not conducting a criminal investigation why did they grant immunity to the guy that installed her home server? Did Comey say they won't indict her? Also there was no announcement of a time frame for the end of the investigation into the criminal breaches of national security.

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Because no crimes were committed, based on the information about Hillary's e-mail server that has been made public. Maybe there's something else that will come out later?

Dan Abrams: Trump is Wrong, Hillary Clinton Shouldn’t Be Charged Based on What We Know Now

[B]ased on what we do know from what has been made public, there doesn’t seem to be a legitimate basis for any sort of criminal charge against her.

...Hillary bashing is good clean political sport but a federal criminal indictment is serious business, saved for serious crimes and hopefully based on serious evidence, which as of yet, has not materialized.

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"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."

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And why are you so interested in people believing this?

If there is a criminal investigation, they will only get one shot at it. They can't just drag HRC into the police department whenever they feel like it, she is well armoured. So those involved with such an investigation are unlikely to advertise it and they are very much likely to ensure they have all their ducks in a row, and an extra row or two of ducks behind those, what with their careers being at stake if they mess up.

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Stay on track. Stay in lane. Don't throw rocks.

It's very simple. I like facts and logic. Did you read the article I linked to?

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"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."

dated January 2016. While she may not have intentionally injured the US, she did take her server out of her house and its supposedly secure area to a private company which did NOT have any clearance and allowed them to migrate data from it to a new server. AND allowed the thing to sit there for a while too, and God only knows who had access to it then. IF that isn't a breach, I don't know what in hell is. But you're probably right - some low level puke will go down for that, and she'll skate away merely because we cannot prove "intent" to harm. If you or I were to do that? I'm sorry, but we'd be indicted for damned sure.

Maybe in a court of law this simply doesn't matter - hell, half the dirty shit they all do is now fully legal. And apparently as long as it's legal, its all good. And we can't prove anyone WAS actually hurt by her stupid and arrogant actions, so nothing to see here folks.... But if you are some low level whistleblower who reveals classified? Go directly to jail peon.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

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Because no crimes were committed, based on the information about Hillary's e-mail server that has been made public

The FBI doesn't DO security reviews and you have extreme logic fail going on as shown by this statement. There was Top Secret information found on a non-secure server. That is evidence of a crime.

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If you do not understand that being part of the "establishment" is a slur in the minds of 99% of the U.S. population then you are completely out of touch and probably are one.

That is why investigations are conducted, to find out.

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Euterpe2

There is no criminal case, unless facts emerge that we don't have access to at this point. I think Bernie was very smart not to make a big deal out of Hillary's e-mails. Her decision not to use a government e-mail account was wrong, I think everyone can agree. But it wasn't a crime and did not violate any rules either.

It's important to stay reality-based even in the heat of a partisan political campaign.

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"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."

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Top secret information must be maintained in a positive control environment at all times. If top secret information is found to be in an uncontrolled environment, meaning those locations that are not government authorized for information with that level of classification, then a law has been broken.

That is why this is a criminal investigation, and has been considered so by every major media news outlet since early January. Especially since a Clinton staffer was grated CRIMINAL immunity to secure testimony.

but, hey, don't let the facts cloud your desired beliefs.

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If you do not understand that being part of the "establishment" is a slur in the minds of 99% of the U.S. population then you are completely out of touch and probably are one.

That's my biggest concern -- what emails were deleted that would be subject to an FOIA request?

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Hillary violated the classified info regulations.

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"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho

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FOIA is quite important as is keeping top secret info on a private server, taking money for your foundation for arms sale agreements, etc., etc. I'm thinking this might be a RICO investigation rather than single-issue.

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on that server could signal a possible crime. Once she used a private unsecured server for ALL her State Department correspondence, then everything on that server should have been preserved. Over one half of all emails on that server were erased. It was not up to Hillary Clinton or her staff or her lawyers to determine what was relevant.

There is so much wrong here that even if she skates, it shows poor judgment at the very least or an effort to avoid public scrutiny at the worst. I know that as a public employee, everything I did was subject to a FOIA request. IMO, some very bad stuff (maybe related to the Clinton Foundation) was probably among the deleted emails.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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where there is no possibility of criminal wrongdoing. Why would they?

You're assuming the outcome of the investigation, which is not the best thing to do. Personally, I don't think it's going to be classification that trips Clinton up, but either she'll be caught having destroyed emails improperly (apparently the FBI was able to recover the 30,000 or so emails she erased) or the review will reveal details of significant conflicts of interest.

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The real smoking gun is probably not among the emails that were kept, but among those that were deleted.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

It took the IRS to do it. Maybe they should look into Hillary's contributors? NAW! THAT won't happen! Barry's there to cover her ass!

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

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Yeah, some might consider that a huge drop.

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Lookout's picture

At the moment, despite the attacks we seem to be making inroads. Has the giant stirred? Let's hope so and keep working to make it happen.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

Your question, "has the giant stirred", sure causes flashbacks among many of us in Wisconsin. It was said many times during the rallies against Walker's anti-union measure that Act 10 had "awakened the sleeping giant".

I've posted this vid before, but it seems appropriate in this thread too. It is a mash-up of clips from the Wisconsin Uprising, that in my opinion was derailed by the Dem party which was terrified of movement-building from the ground up, and derailed the movement by insisting on a high-stakes single election (the recall) in lieu of also continuing the protests and public pressure against Walker and the Rep legislature.

Did we need a recall? Absolutely. But we needed to keep up the occupation of the capitol, and continue bringing suit against Walker's Capitol Police. (You will see in the vid that the City of Madison police felt they needed to "protect and defend the citizens against Walker" and his goon squad! There's footage of the night they brought sleeping bags and stayed overnight in the capitol with the protesters to prevent the Capitol Police from clearing the building!)

People were getting tapped out financially but Debbie W-S refused to give financial support to the recall, and the lame Democratic Party of Wisconsin was afraid the Teamsters and other unions who showed up to protest were too edgy...

Hope people have time to watch. There will be some faces you may know in the footage, like Madison Mayor Paul Soglin marching with city workers against Walker, but what makes me most inspired is that the protests were started by teenages who walked out of ther East High School classes and swarmed downtown, quickly joined that aftrnoon by TAs from the university. Within days, there were 10s of thousands and over 100,000 a day within two weeks.

We are going to be having to do this soon inDC. Sure would be great if we have a president in the White House who will come out and march with us!
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG9I-oA_Er0]

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Shaylors Provence

President Obama promised to put on comfortable shoes and walk a picket line, but he forgot that promise when he got to the White House. People even mailed him shoes! He never went to Wisconsin when it counted.

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"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."

There were petitions circulated at the capitol during the protests, and sent to the White House. Crickets.

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Shaylors Provence

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Can you see him on a picket line? Oh, I sure can. It wouldn't be his first time, either.

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Even the smallest person can change the course of the future

rich people don't send their own good money after bad.
they're happy to send yours.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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C99, my refuge from an insane world. #ForceTheVote

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That will change everything.

Ok.it won't. But it would speed her demise rather quickly.

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should pretty much do it. He will have to work out that finger-waving-in-a-woman's-face thing though, because on him it might look sexist.

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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass

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if he got a grip on these people or not.

It's not 1992, folks, and I honestly wonder if going that negative is going to cut it. Time will tell, but I was gobsmacked by Hillary's Sandy Hook pandering, and I'm pretty cynical. I want to believe that's going to sink her for good, because that was just....I swear, I've been sitting here with a thesaurus lately, and I'm just about out of adjectives for this shit....that was grotesque.

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Sleazy is the word that always comes to my mind when she dips into her bag of dirty tricks.

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but when he recently wrote

The Clintons are a terminally unethical and vulgar couple

I sure agreed. My construct of "vulgar" in this case means crass, money-grubbing, venal.

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Shaylors Provence

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/26/opinion/26HERB.html

"[Clinton] was president for eight years and the bottom line politically is this: For the first time in nearly half a century, the Republican Party controls the presidency and both houses of Congress. Bill Clinton has been a disaster for the Democratic Party. Send him packing."

Especially since he doesn't seem to know about the laws banning campaigning at a polling place.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/03/01/did-bill-clinton-violate-el...

Substitute Hillary for Bill, and it's my opinion that Herbert's comments still apply.

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

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soulless abdication of credibility and position.

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If you do not understand that being part of the "establishment" is a slur in the minds of 99% of the U.S. population then you are completely out of touch and probably are one.

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She knows that any lawsuit against a gun manufacturer to hold them liable for the use of a gun in the commission of a crime is a frivolous lawsuit.

But, hey, if she can score a few political points making an issue out of it, she'll do it anyway. No character. No integrity.

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She knows that any lawsuit against a gun manufacturer to hold them liable for the use of a gun in the commission of a crime is a frivolous lawsuit.

But, hey, if she can score a few political points making an issue out of it, she'll do it anyway. No character. No integrity.

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But how long is that going to last?

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“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon

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relative to whether she or Sanders stands to lose more with an extra week to campaign? The short answer I came up with is that it won't hurt Sanders any--the more time he has to reach out, the better he tends to do. But I can't decide yet if Hillary's campaign is coordinated enough to command a smear campaign narrative for that long without pissing off the wrong people. If they can't, that extra week hurts her.

I also wondered if a story to watch is the one about all the pissed-off New Yorkers who are already finding out they've been screwed out of voting already. It depends on how many of them there are, how widespread that is, and how loud the electorate will be about being disenfranchised so obviously and openly. If it gets real loud, perhaps "MSM" won't be able to bury that particular lede, and it'll hurt her in PA and CA?

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new minas's picture

polls report the past.

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If you do not understand that being part of the "establishment" is a slur in the minds of 99% of the U.S. population then you are completely out of touch and probably are one.

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have gotten so much wrong this season.

I see he's published a couple of other excellent pieces from TOP here too, but not this one (I don't think). Subir is doing some really incredible work.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/04/06/1511308/-Why-is-538-wrong-so-of...

Two things stick out:

  1. There are a lot of bold cells (11 of 23 states), and fewer underlined cells (4 of 23 states).
  2. All the underlined cells are in the South (Appalachia is a wash)

Hillary outperforms 538 poll averages and forecasts in the South. Bernie outperforms everywhere else (or is within MoE).

In all, 15 out of 23 states fall outside the MoE for one or both forecasts. That’s 65%. Also note the polls plus model does seem to add some value, they are less frequently outside of our 3% MoE.

So what does this mean? Here are some reasonable guesses:

Bernie gains support as we approach the primary/caucus, since polls are always a few days old they under-represent his support

  • The likely voter models are wrong and Bernie is bringing in more primary voters who pollsters aren’t reaching.
  • Name recognition influences poll-respondents more than it does voters.
  • There are fewer primary polls, far less data, small changes in turnout can swing the result.
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"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

Why would they listen now? I just sent Bernie another donation for NY. i can't wait to dance on the grave of the Clinton machine. No way in hell this party ever comes back together. With Independents, up to 60% of Bernie's supporters are refusing to vote for her. Can't remember where I read it. The Hill I think.

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in these closed primaries. That's why I hope there being an extra week to campaign before NY gives the Sanders team an extra advantage somehow.

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investigation must in a way seem like a recurring nightmare.

During Bill's presidency the vast-right wing conspiracy (which really did exist, though Hillary was pilloried for speaking the simple truth that time) started with Whitewater, which was pretty much nothing, and some allegations of sexual misconduct, National Enquirer material including flat lies, and worked this assiduously until they maneuvered Bill into what was colorably a lie and then impeached him on it.

Now the successors of the same people started with Benghazi, which was a total crock, and have worked the material assiduously until they uncovered some tangential things that, while still under investigation, and may not be criminal, have an ugly look: possible security breach, dubious judgement, co-mingling of government and private business, and/or trying to wire around FOIA. Whether or not these issues are criminal at all, they are a liability, and the Republicans are unlikely ever to let go of them.

And in both cases, Hillary's and Bill's, I'd bet that to the extent that there was any real misconduct, "everybody [in the political upper class] was doing it."

Bill in the end brazened it out and remained in office.

Hillary may be calculating that she ought to be able to do likewise and still win. But I would not be surprised if by now, party insiders are looking around, as rumored, possibly at Biden.

Wish they would consider reconciling themselves to Bernie.

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Euterpe2

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manages to blow itself up along with this campaign, the DNC and the Dem leadership on the Hill better tread VERY carefully before they try to sleaze someone else in to take Bernie's place. They'll be risking outright riotous revolt that they'll have to crush with the military, IMO. Indeed, I honestly think it would come to that, especially with all the millennials signed on for Team Sanders. They have nothing to lose at this point--no real future to speak of, in particular, if they're saddled with thousands and thousands of dollars in student loan debt and have no job prospects.

And I know more than a few fifty- and sixty-somethings that have even less to lose, because these crooked fuckers already took so much away from us. Like me, ferinstance.

Don't poke the bear, boys and girls--he gets pissy when you do that Wink

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WindDancer13's picture

If anyone has an hour and 16 minutes to spare, you can get a real education on the tip of the iceberg that the Rs have waiting for HRC regarding the emails and server. I must say even with all the reading I have done on this, there were a couple of things that I did not know.

Warning, most of this is Fox News and Republicans: Hillary Clinton voters must watch this

However, it has some very interesting arguments that will be quite damaging.

Please, please if you know anyone in NY, do whatever is necessary and possible to get them out to vote!

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