My comment for Kos’s hate-filled screed against Bernie supporters.

Kos's latest temper tantrum compares Bernie supporters to Trump supporters. My response:

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1527444/61599440#comment_61599440

TomP
May 17 · 01:07:16 PM
You now border on farce, Markos.

So much for “unity” from you and this place.

Kos apparently realizes that he has lost many of us and is doubling down on Hillary supporters' hate. Burning bridges.

One of the best things that have come out of this is the masks are off.
Just hatred being peddled at that place.

Glad this place was built by those who saw more clearly than I did.

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but they will bore folks to death (and to other blogs). Smile

The Left always brought the energy there.

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They will turn on each other. What the place has become is not sustainable.

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...Little Green Footballs of the Left. Oh, and how Kos laughed at Charles Johnson when his brainchild went down in flames! The irony! It berns! LOL...

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I want my two dollars!

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...Little Green Footballs of the Left. Oh, and how Kos laughed at Charles Johnson when his brainchild went down in flames! The irony! It berns! LOL...

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I want my two dollars!

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Doug's Fish Fry had a food truck in my local parking lot mecca. I had to stop. Drove by the place in Cortland every week for years, fish scent wafting over Route 13. Saw the idle food trucks behind the store a month ago when I went on a date to a Chinese buffet behind. My date had no driver's license and no lower teeth. Nice. @some point soon must do a duty trip up I81 to Wolfe Island where I dumped about $100K into a hole with River frontage. I would like to try for a meetup one way or the other. Too many virtual friends with no faces.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

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for Sanders" FB Group? They have regular events, one of them this Sat. 21st at noon at Green Lakes. Link... https://www.facebook.com/groups/Syracuseforsanders/ Join us there!

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I too go there to support BNR. And any diary which supports Bernie. Such as the wonderful one OccupyStephanie had up yesterday.
Plan to continue to support BNR. Have never written a diary, only became active with Bernie this year.
Also use Ad Block Plus, so no subscription, and no ads!

Expect most of us will "officially" leave after the convention. LD is going to start a new blog. Will link to it here when it's active.

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Who indeed? It reminds me of the scene in The Godfather when the aging Don Corleone tells Michael that the first one to approach him after he dies, offering to broker the peace, will be the traitor.

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"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey

They demand "unity."

Kos is different from the real world.

I fully expect Bernie to support unity.

I still plan to vote for the Dem nominee against Trump.

Regardless of that, TOP is a toxic, anti-progressive place.

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I still plan to vote for the Dem nominee against Trump.

and you just might come around to the notion that whoever else is running, Hillary is the worst of all choices.

And that's not a bad thing.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

Thanks for that reference. Hadn't thought of it, and it fits perfectly!
Find it amazing how little DWS/DNC/DLC.Third Way/Clintons understand the difference between 2008 and 2016. All the Clintons can see is getting back to the White House.
Remember when Barbara Bush said she didn't want Jeb! to run, no more dynasties. That the USA must have more than 2 families dominating POTUS. She changed her mind, of course, when Jeb! decided to run, but the Republicans learned this is NOT a business as usual election. Jeb! spent more than $100 million, and got zap! Trump got $2 billion in free media - played the game as if it was a celebrity on reality TV cuz he knows his audience.

This is a CHANGE election - and if it's not Bernie Sanders, it's going to be Donald Trump.

If I had to choose between Clintons & Trump, I would NOT choose the criminal corrupt Clintons. At least it would take the Democratic party out of their manipulative hands. Blast out their surrogates too!

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And the media and the pundits are all confused. And I guess Kos is confused as well. All the things that worked in the past are no longer working. The media spent months building up support for Trump and are now trying really hard to reverse what they created. And all the old stuff isn't working. Silly slurs that used to bring a candidate down aren't working. (He said mean things about women? What else ya got?) And the media keeps giving him free exposure.

Now the Hillary folks want Bernie to get out, and keep giving the same reasons why he should that worked in other campaigns. But this year those reasons aren't working. Hey, folks! Face it! You've got a really lousy candidate. If she was all you say she is, she would have dispensed with Bernie months ago. But, noooooo! While Bernie was at rallies with thousands of potential voters, Hillary was at Chipotle's with 5 or 6 potential voters. Yeah! That's how ya win elections. Keep it a private affair. Now she's trying to win KY after she's already pivoted to the GE. What a lousy candidate/campaign. And those fools at TOP keep repeating the same stupid stuff that continues to alienate those who make up the future of the Dem Party.

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Hillary Clinton 2016: I'm a proud progmoderate!

they can cmon over here and KISS MY SPANKY ASS.

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the master of the long con

Perfect description. ty

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Don't believe everything you think.

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Well, don't count me in any of them... I think they have all the "unity" they'll need with just themselves echoing the talking points of each day. Hopefully by then, all the other Bernie supporters... and those who get tired of all the hatred between now and then... will be over here with us cool kids.

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it opened the door for all the hateful little pretend liberals to come out of the woodwork waggling their fingers at the progressives and telling us to behave and nothing is possible and here have a flag. Fuck 'em. Now I know what they are.

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who the real progressives in the media (especially new media) are and who was just using it as a means to push their own brand.

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I believe what I said. He is bordering on farce.

The Hillary supporters will give him love. Until he says something bad about DWS.

I'm sure Kos will keep up his attacks on Bernie supporters. Interesting how we always are attacked.

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He will support whatever the party tells him to support. He is the digital Debbie Wasserman Schultz. He is the token progressive with the token progressive blog. They can all point to daily kos and say, see, the largest progressive blog supports Hillary too. He doesn't care who posts there and who doesn't. He certainly doesn't care about anyone's dignity, or he wouldn't have the moderation system he does. Once upon a time, it was a real blog. Now it is a front.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

Dkos was a microcosm of the Democratic Party at one point, but no more.

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I miss Colorado.

a representation of the the potential of the Democratic Party. Now it is just a reflection of what the party actually is.

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Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?

Most excellent to see you, Sir Rich! Smile

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I miss Colorado.

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The thought entered my head a couple of days ago, and for the life of me I can't figure out WHY DWS is so adamant about delivering the residency to Hillary..., unless DWS is angling for the vice presidency.

DWS' nastiness & corporate and banking ties, etc., on top of HRC's lying, warmongering, etc., is a DINO pair that will guarantee Drumpf the residency like no other pairing could possibly do.

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and is angling for a nice cushy ambassadorship, or maybe even appointment as a judge.

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I see her more as one whose flamboyant ego needs to be in the halls of power where she can wield power of some kind while staying in the spotlight..., maybe an "insider" who is VP first and then becomes prez in her own time, but not a shrinking violet where she stays out of the limelight. She seems to be a wholly owned subsidiary of several corporations and banks, so who knows...?

She doesn't have the personality to be anything but a dictator - and not the benevolent kind of dictator, but one who makes up rules as she goes along, always in her own benefit and/or for the benefit of her inner circle. She certainly is a nasty piece of work! (IMHO, of course.)

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I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960

And yeah,fuck them and the corrupt corporate warmongers they rode in on.

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Solidarity

It would get me banned if I posted it on TOP because I would love to post that in a 3B diary... LOL

To to funny...

Wish it had that Bird/Bernie logo at the end Wink

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Orwell was an optimist

who they were.

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Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?

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from Obama to Hiliary They were always there and they were always group-think loyal followers.

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I love it how they work so hard over there to write 7 diaries scolding Sanders on his supporters and the owner has to come out and pour fire on it so that they could rouse up a frothing frenzy, then little ole occupystephanie drops a diary on them and it goes up the list instantly. I love it, they may think that they own that place but we are the muted majority and we still have control over what shoots up the rec list. Link Here

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Some of us will not be a party to Markos Moulitsas' attempt to intrude on "The People's View"'s market share.

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about The People's Spew - surprised that particular cesspool is still around tbh.

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I went over. I read the diary and every comment. Tipped and rec'd, of course. Only one negative post, saying that Oregon doesn't have much visible support for Hillary because her supporters are afraid of being bullied by Bernie supporters. Meh. If that's the best that they can do......

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"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey

That's the meme for this week. Silly people.

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all of the Rethug politicians and their toady pundits spouted the exact same talking points word-for-word during any given week. I concluded that there must be a fax (later email) coming from a central location with a talking point of the week, hatched by Rove or some other Rethug miscreant. At least the Dems can think for themselves. They would never try to pull this shi............

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"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey

Actually, there was a regular weekly meeting at Grover Norquist's offices, opposite the Mayflower Hotel. Politicians (or their staff members), talking heads and right-leaning journalists would all report there to pick up the latest talking points.

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Euterpe2

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and invented BernieBros. I have a sister-in-law who always plays the victim. Now she has a pistol. Good for me, she lives in Utah and I don't.

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be good, but there were no special procedures. Which is for the best, actually. Same polling place as always, same procedure with electronic voting as always, people filed in and out as always. No confusion. I did note there were a lot of people relative to even the usual general election turnout. But not enough for a real line. I just had to wait a minute. Then I voted for Bernie, Sellus Wilder for Senator, and Nancy Jo Kemper for 6th district House rep.

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Thanks for the link

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knowing she had a diary up would have sent me over for a quick read and T&R. But this evening I logged off, and it felt great. She's a member here; hope she gets comfortable enough with the format to cross-post.

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so down, in the weeds. What a waste, of a life.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1pz7NLu7Bg]

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than a large audience that Ridicules.

Small audience that Heals. Large audience that Harms.

Don't
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There!

You've got better things to do.

You're not doing your health, mental or physical, any good by repeatedly exposing yourself to that site.

DiseasedKlan

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Why would Kos get so crazy? Could it be that the best laid plans of Hillary et al are not panning out? The ham-handed way they did the NV deal tells me that the gloves are off and that Hillary and friends are desperate for a win - i.e. Kentucky - any win. She has to present herself once again as a winner. She is looking into the abyss of up coming primaries where Bernie would seem to have the upper hand.

I don't care what the polls say, Bernie has the momentum and if he is winning 70-80% of the vote, even the HIllary can't suppress that. He is drawing huge crowds, she can't get a small room full - they pretend that she likes the intimate atmosphere - BS. It is becoming way too obvious. We are already aware of all the tampering in earlier primaries, Bernie is not above filing suit on these deals.

I sent back a DNC "survey" reading we don't really give a sh*t what you think, just send money. I told them to take me off their mailing lists and that I would vote for Trump before I would vote for Hillary. It's postage paid, so they have to pay to read my message!

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More people are finding out more about the Clinton corruption.

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but alienating Bernie supporters does not serve the goal of defeating Trump.

This is a Kos thing and Hillary supporters on Kos.

Defeating Trump requires unity and Hillary knows that. Bernie also.

Dkos is its own world.

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Far more important to me that Hillary is defeated. Past time her filth was purged from the party. And it may turn out that it is necessary to push the entire party into the dumper to get rid of her and her ilk.

I live in Oregon. I will likely vote Jill Stein. However, should the election look close here, I will vote Trump.

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If you don't know what you want, you deserve what you get.

I consider Trump a fascist and will work to defeat him.
No hard feelings.

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Trump says ugly stuff about muslims, Hillary bombs them. Trump wants a wall, Hillary puts children on a bus and sends them back to die. Trump wants to jail women who get abortions, Hillary wants to negotiate at what stage abortion is illegal and a crime.

Didn't Bill NAFTA deregulate the banks Clinton and Barack offering to cut Social Security Obama teach you that it takes a Democrat to screw a Democrat? Trump won't be able to go to the bathroom without 60 votes. Which of those weak and frieghtened Democrats are going to oppose Hillary when she wants to privatize Social Security or bomb Canada?

We do have two parties. The Republican Party aka Democratic Party and the party of the batshit crazy. The batshit crazies are a minority and will self-destruct if we can ever offer an alternative that doesn't get the election stolen from them. Until then, the batshit crazies don't look so bad to people who really are trying to change the system instead of enabling it. I agree with them. It is time to blow it the fuck up. Climate change and our childre's future deserve nothing less. Who can stand another 4 or 8 years of the Clintons? Not me.

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I prefer my fascists to be honest about what they are, if fascists I must have.

At least that way, its out in the open and we can fight back. Trump might be a fascist, but he doesn't try to pretend he's not. Faint praise, but still....

Hillary is every bit as bad, she just tries to hide it and lie about what she's really doing and the MSM backs up her lies.

F**k that.

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The Clintons have shown their colors, and they're ugly. I won't vote for Trump. And I won't vote for Clinton. Don't know what all those young people will do, but it seems the DNC has blown it, because they're manipulated by the Clinton machine. Just gonna watch and hope for the best.

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It seems to me that Hillary comes out looking less fascist only if one assigns the Iraqi, Libyan, Yemeni etc. lives lost because of neocon foreign policy a worth of zero.

#IraqLivesMatter

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Beg your pardon, but I see no evidence that Hilary believes that 'unity' is needed. Either that, or she is counting on progressives being so afraid of Trump that they will 'fall in line'. She is grossly mistaken.

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Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?

For the first time ever, I recently realized that even lurking at TOP makes me miserable. I hate reading the Rec List and the Recent List because it's an echo chamber full of "Hillary is the bestest!" diaries that make me want to puke. They might as well bring back BlackWaterDog, ffs.

But kos' latest FP stories have really tickled me pink. One day, he thinks that Hillary has lost way too many potential supporters so he endorses Elizabeth Warren as VP. The next day, kos decides that he doesn't give a fuck about party unity so he tells Bernie supporters to suck it. The whiplash hurts my neck and head.

IMHO, kos has really screwed the pooch on this one. I mean, I know he's been vying for Democratic establishment legitimacy every since he got kicked off MSNBC, but this is just fucking pathetic.

Oy.

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I miss Colorado.

I don't like going there to rec BNR.

The rec list titles are so bad.

I felt I had to comment in Kos's post.

I'm on my way out thee, by choice.

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It took awhile, but I think I just added an extra 10 years to my life by quitting Dkos. Smile

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I miss Colorado.

but did feel a great relief not being there.

It's toxic.

I don't need dkos to be politically involved. I was before dkos.

I do not want some of those people in my life. By not being there, they are not.

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None of us can ever understand how heavy the crown weighs on his tiny head.

It’s not easy, but leadership is not supposed to be easy.

...and the brown-nosers wallow in this shit and think it's chocolate.

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Hillary Clinton 2016: I'm a proud progmoderate!

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

He is like an 8 year old boy screaming for attention. He left control of DailyKos to his editorial staff for years while he (ed.) went off and built sports blogs - making millions (ed.). When he discovered to his shock and horror that at least half of his viewers were getting fed up with 'More and better Democrats (well more anyway)' without any real changes occurring, he is now desperately trying to take his ball and go home. I was on that site from the very beginning (ed.). He made his bones arguing with the DLC and Third-way - the philosophy that led the Democrats to support Dubya's disastrous decisions. Now that he is an insider, he doesn't give a rat fuck about any of it.

Colorado misses you.

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Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?

I never saw him as very left or interesting, but the blog was, especially the back pages.

Of course, Dean was antiwar and a fighter, but not very left.

In 2008, he opposed the more left candidates and positions. Now he supports Hillary, not on the merits necessarily, but because the of the Party.

He thought he could swoop in and direct Bernie's people into more and better (contributions for down ballot races with a portion to dkos), but that blew up on him. I told him he had no credibility with Bernie folks. Not being mean, just honest. He does not.

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can buy him bicycles... but not respect.

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Hillary Clinton 2016: I'm a proud progmoderate!

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him respect, but he doesn't have near enough of it to buy that kind of respect from those kinds of people. You need squillions as they say. Millions ain't enough. Many dozens of millions or hundreds. That amount he doesn't have. So he loses respect from the early people there (I was there since 2003, pity me) and gets none from the establishment butts he kisses.

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Don't believe everything you think.

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to give up all hope that TOP could yet be redeemed. I went cold turkey there three months ago as far as active participation goes; I swear leaving TOP and embracing C99 has restored a bounce to my step and added years to my life. TOP has become genuinely soul-killing.

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Hillary Clinton 2016: I'm a proud progmoderate!

It just makes me sad that people who I thought were kind and caring have become mean---really mean. Much of the crap is being perpetrated by (what I believe to be) the Clinton campaign. These newbies show up with these fantastical stories about their great love for Hillary. And, people who I thought were pretty intelligent, lap it up like it's real. And, if you question its veracity, you become Flag City. I lost a bit of mojo, and signed out so I couldn't be tempted to post anything. Some kind, sweet (anonymous) person purchased a life-time membership for me the last year life-time memberships were available. It might sound silly to y'all, but that has some value to me. So, while I'm waiting for Nov, I didn't want to take a chance of being bojo'd.

I don't care about Kos. I just miss some friends and some good laughs, and even a bit of moral support. Maybe this site will become that for me in the future, but it's not the same yet.

Question: Is there a way to tell who gave a comment a thumbs-up?

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I sometimes reply to posts in my diaries so people know.

I gave you one. Smile

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Anonymous people are smiling and nodding.

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Hillary Hangout, omg, how old are they.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

And the few I have been in were cesspools of hatred against Bernie supporters. Don't know if all are. But those few I saw were.

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I believe ugly is an understatement. They can't even bother to write a freaking diary to rec up. So on the rec list, they have a collection of open threads with angry, nasty people spewing hate. Must be great for the site.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

Open threads on the rec list. Not even a coherent diary.

I started candidate news posts there, but they have content and are done once a day.

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But they don't make Jotter's high impact diary list. That's still led by the BNR.

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as of today. That hate screed did it. I'm getting a dkos blocker if there is such a thing. i cannot understand why anyone who's brain hasn't been washed stays it's literally sickening. Nothing but lies, fear and hate. Makes me really sad that the liberals left feel the need to get abused by a bunch of nasty thugs.

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will only get worse from here on in.

With Hillary's negatives worsening and Bernie's positives climbing, she needs to do something to bring Bernie down to her level. She's tried attacking Bernie directly, but there's very little to attack, so her surrogates resort to attacking his supporters.

The funny thing is, potty mouth Kos is the probably the worst of all Hillary surrogates to be taking this tack. After all, he's not exactly a paragon of civility himself. Just remember, the shriller they get, the more desperate they are.

Also, the best counter to these scuzzy tactics is to keep reminding undecideds WHY Berners are so upset - that Hillary and the DNC are actively trying to steal this primary - and watch the undecideds get just as mad.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

"You should aplogise for this, you should apologise for that", rarely have I seen such self important self agrandisement in my life. it is all a bit fraternity maybe, "I'm in with the in crowd".

Large american culture. Smile

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I don't want to re-live High School, except for the non-grey hair part. And the friends. Mostly on FB these days.

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Kos has become no different than the propaganda spewing attack dog that is David Brock. DK should be considered a superpac.

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Perfect description of what dailykos is. A permanent superpac for whatever the fuck the Democratic Party tells him to push.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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and moved right into then as farce.

Even viewing the site strictly as entertainment, without any lingering hope of using it as a vehicle for progressive change, it's just tedious pablum now.

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The more people know about Clinton, the less she's liked. Poll results vary widely, but the general consensus is that a majority of the American electorate doesn't like Clinton.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/clinton_favorableunfavorab...

You can only imagine what happens to Clinton's favorability ratings as the learning curve goes up, as more and more people learn more and more about the slush-fundfoundation, Clinton's actual foreign and domestic policies, the emails, the speaking fees, the history of ridiculous promises, the facades of "planning." Well, Sanders voters are at the top of that learning curve, and eventually we learn enough about Clinton to make even Trump look good.

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In response to texaslefty'call to 'get on board'.

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1527444/61599440#comment_61601180

I've said as much here on occasion.

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I want a Pony!

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He has been posting a lot more lately. Sometimes 3 diaries in one day. Often 2 diaries a day. At least one every day. He may just being trying to help his traffic numbers and site ranking number. His diaries always get a lot of attention. The one mentioned in this essay has more than 900 comments, so he is getting what he wanted.

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I almost feel sorry for that little snotweasel at this point. He knows his dumb ass is uncovered as compromised. He's gonna throw out insults to get people clicking on his self-sabotaged shithole of a blog.

I left three comments in that mess. All three had (with modifications/relevance added here or there) essentially the same point:

Pout all you want. Sanders is not getting out of the race.

And then I left and I don't give a damn who replies.

They fucking HATE that, more than anything else. They hate being ignored. Fuck them. They're traitors.

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I relied to two people who replied to me, but then ignored.

You're right: click bait. It always worked in the past for him.

I want to stay through California in support of BNR.

But after that, I won't GBCW, but will be there rarely, if it all.

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You owe them nothing. It used you. Now it is your turn to use it. As you can see, many people here still post at dailykos. They just don't see it as home anymore. c99 is home. It is a stress free place where you can kick off your shoes and quit watching your back.

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