Murder - Nothing Else Matters

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To me, murder is murder. There should be no diplomatic immunity, executive privilege, or collateral damage when it comes to killing human beings. Some may say that war is different but that's a lie because all war is a lie. The wars conducted this century under presidents Bush, Obama and Trump are based on nothing but lies.

I've had some interactions with Trump supporters (or those who still believe his cleaning the swamp bullshit, which amounts to support) recently and I've tried to point that out. The supporters have tried to justify their support by pointing out supposed Trump accomplishments like ending the TPP, ending NAFTA, ending the illegal U.S. war in Syria (by supposedly ending the CIA arming of ISIS and Al Qaeda), the deep state hates him, infrastructure, infrastructure, infrastructure (where?), "He is cleaning the fucking swamp!" and other assorted phantasms.

I haven't taken the time to explain how all of those actions were, or would be (infrastructure) illusions every president uses to try to paint lipstick on a pig. That what will replace TPP and/or NAFTA will simply be the same or worse, that the regime change and country balkanization operation in Syria will continue, that he not only didn't clean the fucking swamp, he added more crap to the cesspool, and that his infrastructure plans are nothing but pipe dreams for the rich corporations waiting for their government bailouts.

I also didn't take the time to point out some of the other Trump accomplishments and wannabe accomplishments like pushing to dismantle Obamacare and replace it with something worse, like pushing a tax reform policy that would further enrich the upper class while continuing to strangle the lower class, like all his idiotic tweets pushing nationalism and fascism thereby further dividing a divided country, or like his pushing for war against North Korea and Iran bringing the world to the brink of a potential nuclear holocaust.

But I did mention what I've mentioned about Obama, Clinton and any of the myriad of accomplices (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rice, Powell, Kerry, on and on) which is that he is a murderer and war criminal that should be arrested, put on trial, found guilty and put in prison for the remainder of his miserable life.

"In March alone, the Trump administration killed 1,000 civilians in Iraq and Syria, according to Airwars, a non-governmental organization that monitors civilian casualties from airstrikes."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48137.htm

"Russia has accused the U.S.-led forces in Syria, including Kurdish militia, of wiping the city of Raqqa "off the face of the earth" with indiscriminate “barbarian bombing” in the same way the United States and Britain had destroyed Germany's Dresden through sustained carpet bombing in 1945.

Major-General Igor Konashenkov, a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, said in a statement that around 200,000 people had lived in Raqqa before the conflict in Syria, but that not more than 45,000 people remained.

"Raqqa has inherited the fate of Dresden in 1945, wiped off the face of the earth by Anglo-American bombardments," said Konashenkov. The large German city was destroyed in Allied bombing raids just before the end of World War II, killing anywhere from 18,000 to 25,000 people"

https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Russia-Says-US-Allies-Guilty-of-B...

Trump has continued the wars started by Bush and Obama and
is accelerating the killing of civilians in the Middle East. It doesn't matter whether the deep state is pulling his strings anymore than it did for Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Reagan, he is the Commander in Chief of the U.S. Imperialist military and is responsible in a court of law as the lead accused.

Far as I know, they're still Trump supporters. Just like most of those who I lectured about Obama are still Obama supporters, and Clinton supporters, and hell, Jimmy Carter supporters.

Most people just don't understand what those we elect to represent us do and have done. We've all been lied to our entire lives and the lies in recent times and now are constant, they've become the norm, the accepted way to govern. Lie, create false narratives and illusions, it has to be a joint effort among many. And many are fully willing to participate.

Isn't that treason? Just exactly how many treasonous bastards are there in this country?

It's hard to get it across to most people that it doesn't matter, nothing else matters. They are murdering people. Clinton, Bush, Obama, and now Trump and their regimes are murdering people illegally, inhumanely, without any remorse and are getting away with it because as a society we cannot come to grips with the truth.

With whom else do we excuse the murder of innocent human beings because of their other supposedly positive actions?

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Meteor Man's picture

I have had the same juvenile conversations. Trump supporters think war is like Professional Wrestling and all the dead North Koreans will learn not to mess with the U.S.A.!
MAGA with massive amounts of dead foreigners!

They also refuse to accept the massive cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security Trump will sign in to law. Trump promised not to! MAGA!

Unfortunately Hillarycrats are no different. Same naive hero worship of politicians for Christ sake! Third Way,! Third Way!

War solves no problems. War does not demonstrate moral leadership. All wars are a crime against humanity.

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"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn

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I don't see how they can look at the people he has in his administration and still believe this. They are the same type of people that Obama had in his as have every president. And they don't care that the number of civilians being murdered has gone up since he took office. This is what he ran on..."I'll bomb ISIS and their families." How they can't see that this is any different from what 'terrorists' do when they attack civilians in our and other countries. Ask them how they would feel if Israel, Saudi Arabia, Russia or any other country decided that they were going to build bases here and I'm sure you know their response. But point out that this is what we have and are doing and for some reason that's okay because they believe that we do it because we are protecting people in those countries.

Congress is upset because they didn't know that there were troops in Niger, but when other congress members want to rescind the AUMF, they won't hear of it. Because...

Most people just don't understand what those we elect to represent us do and have done. We've all been lied to our entire lives and the lies in recent times and now are constant, they've become the norm, the accepted way to govern. Lie, create false narratives and illusions, it has to be a joint effort among many. And many are fully willing to participate.

Isn't that treason? Just exactly how many treasonous bastards are there in this country?

I think it should be, but what I do know what is, is arming the enemies that we are supposed to be fighting against is treason and presidents, congress and others swear an oath to protect this country from enemies foreign and domestic! The facts are very clear that this happened during Obama's tenure and probably other president's too. But we know for certain that Obama and the CIA armed, funded and trained not only AQ and its many offshoots, but ISIS as well.

What's the saying? "Kill one person and it's homicide. Kill a thousand and it's war."
I read today that the Saudis deliberately targeted more civilian infrastructure in Yemen that killed 30 civilians and our military killed another 26. 28 million people are on the brink of starvation and still the world stays quiet. How many times has "Never Again happened since those words were uttered?

9/11 isn't the only gift that keeps on giving, it created more military worship because people think that our troops are fighting to defend this country and our freedoms. Very few people stop to ask how terrorists could take our freedoms away from us.

Speaking of Raqqa

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Thanks for writing about this again, Big Al. I wish that I knew how to stop or how to get people to understand this.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

Pluto's Republic's picture

If you're like me, the atrocity of the US is present at every waking moment. It's a constant companion, sitting in on every conversation, every happy moment. It finds context in every current event, every adversity, every loss of well-being that this nation suffers. I don't think it is that way for most people, who have a range of issues in which they can immerse themselves. The horrifying reality of what the US is doing in this world does not haunt them.

In my time on line, I've met or seen fewer that ten individuals who were so singularly afflicted and so impassioned. Each was constant and dedicated. None ever stopped writing about it, they continued to produce, even when they were the only remaining anti-war voice in their milieu — after anti-war conscientiousness fell out of fashion. They stood as solitary beacons and most did heroic things, like Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, and Chelsea Manning. The marginalized lives of those three still hang in the balance, because they insisted on being the beacons that shine brightest when human leaders have loss all decency. They couldn't be any other way.

I paid careful attention to Donald Trump's candidacy. His supporters are composed of at least three separate and distinct groups of Americans. Each group has no idea that the other two groups exist — even though it was their combined efforts that got him elected to the Presidency. It was an unusual year. The same thing was true of the Democrats. There were three distinct groups of Americans that have little awareness of one another, even now. It took all of their combined efforts to deliver a defeat to Hillary Clinton. I'll get into those details another time, but when you mentioned your conversations with Trump supporters, I suspect most come from the group of Trump supporters most likely to feel disillusioned. It won't be the first time. For this group of supporters, every trip to the polls in recent decades has been a sad journey. This election will result in disappointments no better or worse than the rest they've had.

In their defense, Donald Trump was offering them a utopia. He said he could pull it off, and I'm pretty sure he thought he could. I listened closely to his speeches. Some I retyped so I could metabolize them better. Each speech was actually two, and sometimes three, very different speeches. Supporters grabbed onto the one message that was meant for them, and filtered out everything else. For example, in Atlanta, I heard Trump tell the crowd that health care in America isn't working for them. He said he could make it work for everyone. He muttered that they needed to get rid of all the insurance guys, who were making it cost too much. He accurately compared US health care costs per person to what it cost other developed nations for the same care.

I was amazed that he wasn't booed. Instead there was thunderous applause. Trump was successfully running to the Left of Hillary, I thought. But I was actually hearing an embedded message that was meant for people like me, who wanted the kind of Liberty that comes when one is clothed and free of hunger, and when one has affordable shelter and a well educated mind. It is the liberty that comes when one is strong and healthy. Unlike the other Developed nations, the US government does not offer that kind of liberty to its people — but it is urgently needed in the 21st century. I only recently discovered that the Trump campaign worked with artificial intelligence experts and big data firms to write those speeches just so. They put a lot of their money into this, and it was quite effective.

But then, getting elected President does not mean you get to be one. There's that.

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@Pluto's Republic

many of us on this site are compassionately anti war and when we read of more civilians being killed, it haunts us deeply. The emotions I felt this morning when I read the headline of more civilians being killed by the Saudis in Yemen were numbing. I can't understand how people can not be affected by this, yet they aren't. So many either don't care or they think it's acceptable because of the nationality the people are. If our soldiers die, it's a tragedy, but if the people whose country they invaded die, they just think it's acceptable because we are at war. Most aren't even aware that this country hasn't fought a war in self defense since the war of 1812.

This happened to many of us when Obama was campaigning in 2007 after we suffered through the Bush years.

I suspect that most of them come from the group who may suffer some sense of disillusionment. For this group, every trip to the polls in recent decades has been a journey down a trail of tears. This election will result in disappointments no better or worse than the rest they've had.

For many of us, his disillusionment started before he was sworn into office, yet way too many others stayed blind to the man behind his mask.

This is from an article about Russiagate and their supposed Facebook ads that swung the election to Trump

How could sneaky Vladi and his fake news-wielding squads of internet Cossacks be responsible for the neoliberal economy, comprised of low wage, no benefits, no future mcjobs, that plague the working life of the latter?

Barack Obama, aka former President Citigroup von Drone, was a far more effective con man. How so? Liberals had the Wall Street bagman and multicultural imperialist Obama’s back. At present, after his two terms, he is luxuriating in the cash-redolent embrace of his High Dollar benefactors, as all the while, bedecked in their broken tiara and torn prom dress regalia, Democratic Party loyalist pine away for another sweet lie-proffering, political Lothario to replace the likes of Obama’s charming vapidity
People's intellectual laziness astonishes me to no end.

Hillary was going to be even worse, in my opinion because of her career long lust for power and money, and even though her Iraq war vote lost her the election in 2007 and with her actions while she was SOS (pay for play, Libyan war, cackling about Gaddafi's death...) and her huge pay checks from the banks while and running on creating a no fly zone over Syria, threatening to nuke Iran, and her speeches to Wall Street just before she declared that she was running for president thinking that no one would think that was inappropriate. However, this too was one of the reasons why people thought that she wasn't trustworthy. Then after she pivoted left because of Bernie and Trump, she picked Kaine as her Vice President.

I'm not surprised that people voted for Trump. The alternative was Hillary.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

@snoopydawg supporters, especially his current ones, I cannot blame anyone for voting for him over HER. My anger with voters is the ones who've voted hard right wing for decades and then are now terrified of, or disappointed in, or outright horrified with Trump. They want so badly to see him as an aberration, as somehow being corrupted by the Deep State unwillingly, but these fuckers are going to now get all they've been demanding since St Ronnie the Dim (before really, but his presidency helped cement their positions firmly into place) and I am still so angry at that willful ignorance I could and do scream.

And now, we are well and truly fucked because both parties really are as I long suspected in my naïve and suspicious youth - they're both about money, they play us off one against the other using their lying ass "positions" and NONE of it matters. At least we on the Dim side bought into what we really thought was right. I can't see how any Repugnant can look themselves in the mirror now and actually state that about their votes - pro-war all the way, racist, sexist, cruel and downright dumb. Just my biased opinion having grown up around just such idiots.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

Citizen Of Earth's picture

@Pluto's Republic
just lies you tell voters to get elected.

Trump was half honest though which is very unusual for a politician -- most are 100% dishonest.

The half he was honest about was the dog whistles to the Racists, Xenophobes, and Science Deniers.
The crap about helping the workingman get a better life as a load of shit. Well, except for coal miners -- happy black lung day.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

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@Citizen Of Earth

…I thought, was the most dishonest of Trump's claims during the campaigns. It is, of course, economically impossible for a war-poor country like the US to resurrect a vanity coal industry just for those workers. I was sure Trump would be busted by his followers for using such a cheap trick. But nobody seemed to notice at the time. Critical thinking had gone extinct in the US, probably in the 1970s. As we have seen again with Russiagate, the American people will believe even the most preposterous and laughable notions, if a US authority says it. Democracy left the room fifty years ago.

I believe the key to understanding why democracy would fail in 2016 lies in the structural changes that were made following the 1968 Presidential election. At that time, the Democrats weaponized the election primaries via their super-delegate scheme. But instead of imposing coordination and unity on the Party, it suppressed Party vision. The Party was, thus, very compliant when Reagan revoked the Fairness Doctrine. That paved the way for Republicans to consolidate the nation's media outlets, particularly in AM radio. Monopolies were suddenly legal and the American IQ dropped like a stone. The Democrat's Super-Delegate weapon to limit ideas that came from the Left turned the Republican Party into a powerful force for ignorance in America.

I think that made both parties happy.

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Big Al's picture

@Pluto's Republic and Clinton and Sanders, that appears to be what most people here would prefer.
But no, I won't make peace with murderers or political parties that support murder.

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They always lie to justify war.
I sometimes like to use the old king-and-the-priest analogy. When the king wants to conquer new territory, he never wants to publicize the real reasons for his plans (war-profiteering, resource theft etc., which could risk his soldiers thinking they should get a 'cut'.). He instead tells the priest to say that 'god wants us to invade that territory'. The priest then goes to the people with something like "those people are 'evil' and we must invade them to stop their evil".
It's the same stuff now, except it's political figures and they use 'national security', 'stoping terror', 'keeping us safe' etc.
If the people actually understood the financial motivations behind war (the Military Industrial Complex, money for defense contractors, resource theft, etc.), they would expect war-profiteers to reimburse the treasury for the costs of their military interventions that were designed to transfer public funds into private hands.

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Mike Taylor

Both, thank you for the "concern" Senator Sanders. "Saudis have a big army, ya know?"

Bernie Sanders: Saudi Arabia should wage war on ISIS (Dec 2015, trying to appear Precedential)

compassion yeah right

"kill them all"
THEM

good luck

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If ever there was a nation without moral authority, it is the United States. Our government has put the interests of a few wealthy individuals and that of corporations ahead of that of real living, breathing human beings. War is the mechanism by which we spread the empire so as to plunder other people and nations.

It disgusts me that rampant murder is being committed in my andour names and there is nothing we can do to stop it. It transcends political party identity, so I do not assign greater blame to Trump than I do to his predecessors, nor do I defend him. Trump is just another symptom of the inhumanity that our government inflicts upon innocent people, both in the United States and abroad.

While anecdotal, my own experience with a local Peace vigil led me to believe that most people are sick of war and the money being spent on the US military forays throughout the world while people in this country are being forced to do without.

The empire must fall. It is only a matter of time because all empires eventually collapse. The world and the American people will be far better off as a result.

Thank you. Big Al for continuing to fight this good fight.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

We have a very sad history post WWII of violating international laws and walking away from international agreements, and I'm not even mentioning the body count, it's too grim to contemplate. Congress, the executive and the courts have all gone along with this. There is no check on these crimes. They are all criminals.
As a mutipolar world evolves, our past actions will catch up with us. After all, much of the world has looked the other way because they want to do business with the US and don't want to be on our shit-list. That will end and the global world will begin to look at the US in a more objective light. That will not be good for us! They will look at the deaths, the destruction, laws and treaties broken and the fact that most of the excess CO2 molecules causing global climate destruction have the label "made in America".

In 1950 the US was 27% of world GDP, today we are 15% of world PPP GDP. The most developed economies are growing by 0-2%, the next tier of economies are growing by 7-12% per year. Given that this is compound growth, the world economies will dwarf the US in five years. The US is currently in third place in PPP GDP behind #1 China and #2 the EU. I would like to revisit this in 2020 after the Great Correction. The next time the world will prove its independence and resilience to the US economy. Russia is a good example. Her economy has recovered from the worst that the West could do, a collapsed oil market and economic sanctions. Russia has recovered to a large degree because of increased world trade with non-western countries and increased domestic production. This is the model for a post-American world.

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Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.

ggersh's picture

you ask a trump supporter about what has Russia done
to us so that we should attack them and they give the
corporate media answer, the hacked the election, but when
you ask what has NK done, they just shrug their shoulders.
Not that the zero supporters, dubya/clinton bots are any
smarter.

War outta sight, outta mind, that's the corporate/mic
media just playing their part.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

Pluto's Republic's picture

Hi @ggersh :

Cats are sleeping with dogs, now, and politicians are cross-dressing.

This used to be the way things were:

...you ask a trump supporter about what has Russia done
to us so that we should attack them and they give the
corporate media answer, the hacked the election…

In fact, that is what a Hillary supporter will tell you. That's the wailing cry of the Ever-Dems.
Trump supporters don't talk about that.

But, I get your point, even though sides have switched.

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Citizen Of Earth's picture

Donnie the Douche-bag is not on their side, the working man's side -- he's on Donnie's side.

These people who haven't figured it out yet are too stupid to argue with. Plus most of these imbeciles have a gun under the seat of their pickup truck, and they are stupid enough to use it.

Just ask Tom Steyer! Hahaha. I laff everytime I see that commmercial. Biggrin

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

@Citizen Of Earth

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O.k. When is the next meeting for the revolution?
-FuturePassed on Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:22 p.m.

Arrow's picture

An (im)morality play:
National command authority: Raise your right hand. Do you swear to obey the commands
of the NCA?
Poor scmuck who can't get work; I do.
Guy sitting next to PS: I refuse.
(NCA places gun on the table)
NCA: PS I order you to shoot the guy sitting next to you. This is a direct order from NCA.
(PS picks up gun and shoots)
NCA: There there son. It was all legal because we say it was. We'll hold a parade
in your honor later.
End

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I want a Pony!

And I actually am looking forward to the day the rest of the world passes us by. I have big hopes for the BRICS initiatives, and that really may be the only way to stop "us." Everything the US says it stands for is an utter lie - we stand for death and destruction. As soon as we "enter" a country the violence escalates, every where we go.

I ignored the wars for many years, the PTB count on the fact that there are so many factions in them, so many confusing points, that people just give up. Now that I see them, I have a much harder time being patient with those who do not. It really isn't that hard, but between the dumbing down and the increasing insecurity of all our lives, it gets treated as such. It is murder, pure and simple. We all know politicians lie, why is it we refuse to see their lies regarding war? Because it's too painful to contemplate our own tacit part in them? I think so...

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

He KNEW what the war pigs would do.
Of course he's draped with virgins now.

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Meaning that it is expanding, gathering force.

Are we doomed? Why aren't there 20 or 30 million people out in the
streets right now, demanding an end to this insanity?
Where are the voices for peace?

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@zoolook 67

like Pluto's Republic, constantly aware and outraged by the murder we commit, constantly depressed by it, but also believing that there is a peaceful solution, and I think it is to STOP doing what makes this rampage possible, STOP signing off on it, STOP allowing our ruthless government to print money to kill with.

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@zoolook 67 @zoolook 67 for four and a half years a member of a local Peace vigil that met every Sat. The others were a part of a large group that began 9 years before I joined them. Eventually the group shrank until there were only two of us left, me and Don who was 87 at the time. Don decided it was time to disband.

Still, that time spent was not in vain. I was pleasantly surprised to talk with people of all political stripes who were opposed to all these wars.

We really need a strong anti-war movement in this country, but absent a draft, I doubt it will happen. Too many people are too far personally removed from the impacts of war.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy