Democratic Party Warmonger Seeks War with Iran

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I didn't catch this at the time but thought it was important to alert concerned citizens.

Rep. Alcee Hastings, a 13 term Democratic party congressional representative from Florida, at 80 years old and one of the poorest (relatively speaking) members of Congress and a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, has sponsored a bill to authorize President Trump to attack Iran. Hastings reintroduced H J Res 10, the “Authorization of Use of Force Against Iran Resolution” on Jan. 3, the first day of the new Congress after President Trump’s election.

Now why would an 80 year old, black, democratic party congressman do that?

Trump has made Iran the centerpiece of his war plans, hiring anti-Iran warmongers up and down his staff. Of course it doesn't really mean anything yet. But the fact that a democratic congressman introduced this the first day of Trump's Republican controlled Congress when Trump and his staff are all hot to trot to go after Iran is significant. What was that song, "the symmetry is too much"?

REFORM THAT!

This has to be taken within the context that Iran has not nor has ever tried to develop a nuclear weapon, there is no evidence for that, our own intelligence agencies agree, and the entire thing (the Iran nuclear "deal") is a charade meant to enable proceeding to the next step, war, which is now in the cards.

IOW, it's all bullshit meant to keep Iran in the "Axis of Evil" as an enemy of the United States and Israel and to prepare the way for more war.

ANY politician that supports the Iran "deal" or believes the Iran deal doesn't go far enough is a big fat liar because there should have been no deal in the first place.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/democrat-ex-dove-alcee-hastings-is-proposin...

Text: H.J.Res.10 — 115th Congress (2017-2018)All Bill Information (Except Text)

There is one version of the bill.

Introduced in House (01/03/2017)

115th CONGRESS, 1st Session
H. J. RES. 10

To authorize the use of the United States Armed Forces to achieve the goal of preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 3, 2017

Mr. Hastings submitted the following joint resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs

JOINT RESOLUTION

To authorize the use of the United States Armed Forces to achieve the goal of preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. Short title.

This joint resolution may be cited as the “Authorization of Use of Force Against Iran Resolution”.

SEC. 2. Findings.

Congress finds the following:

(1) On July 14, 2015, a Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action designed to ensure that Iran’s nuclear program is used solely for peaceful purposes was finalized.

(2) Pursuant to the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015, signed into law on May 22, 2015, the United States Congress is tasked with reviewing this plan of action to make certain the terms of the agreement will unequivocally prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear weapons state.

(3) The United States must do all that is necessary to ensure that all of Iran’s pathways to obtaining a nuclear weapon are blocked.

(4) Iran’s pursuit of a nuclear weapon has and will continue to destabilize the region.

(5) Iran’s pursuit of a nuclear weapon is a threat not only to the United States but also to our allies in the region.

(6) Iran’s sincerity in forgoing the procurement of a nuclear weapon has created legitimate cause for concern.

SEC. 3. Authorization for use of United States Armed Forces to achieve the goal of preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.

(a) In general.—The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as the President determines necessary and appropriate in order to achieve the goal of preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.

(b) War powers resolution requirements.—

(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION.—Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.

(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS.—Nothing in this joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.

SEC. 4. Report.

Not later than 60 days after the date on which the President exercises the authority described in section 3, and every 60 days thereafter, the President shall submit to Congress a report on the specific actions taken pursuant to such authority.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-joint-resolution/10/text

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very ethically challenged. He gets re-elected because his district was gerrymandered to include mostly black areas in the Ft. Lauderdale area. Read his Wikipedia entry. The guy cannot stay straight if he wanted to. Here is an excerpt about his impeachment.

n 1981, Hastings was charged with accepting a $150,000 bribe in exchange for a lenient sentence and a return of seized assets for 21 counts of racketeering by Frank and Thomas Romano, and of perjury in his testimony about the case. In 1983, he was acquitted by a jury after his alleged co-conspirator, William Borders, refused to testify in court, resulting in a jail sentence for Borders.[3]

In 1988, the Democratic-controlled U.S. House of Representatives took up the case, and Hastings was impeached for bribery and perjury by a vote of 413-3. He was then convicted in 1989 by the United States Senate becoming the sixth federal judge in the history of the United States to be removed from office by the Senate. The Senate, in two hours of roll calls, voted on 11 of the 17 articles of impeachment. It convicted Hastings of eight of the 11 articles. The vote on the first article was 69 for and 26 opposed.[1]

The Senate had the option to forbid Hastings from ever seeking federal office again, but did not do so. Alleged co-conspirator attorney William Borders went to jail again for refusing to testify in the impeachment proceedings, but was later given a full pardon by President Bill Clinton on his last day in office.[

Notice his ties to the Clintons. Bad

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

@gulfgal98 Surely someone in his district would be a suitable replacement but there's a tradition that once elected, forever reelected. It was once more common in the south, but with gerrymandering, it's a national rule.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

would see a dozen or so bases on two of Iran's borders. The other two are the sea and the mountains of the republic to the north. Iran is hemmed in already. Why war?

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@duckpin @duckpin

‘Leave Iran alone,’ Lily repeated. She was looking at James with every sign of great dislike. ‘What’ve they done to you?’

‘Well,’ said James, appearing to deliberate the point, ‘it’s more the fact that they exist, if you know what I mean ...’

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@edg shade and you get there and find a rattlesnake already cooling there. Do you kick it? Poke it with a stick? My vote would be to look for the next shade.

Then there's the fact of 1953 which Irani's remember very well.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

@duckpin thanks, responding to the part quoted in above subject, to be clear. You said more, but I'm just responding about "the fact of 1953". Blood for Oil, it never ends and also goes back a long way too. I only quoted a little bit from the Mossadegh biography, he did great things for the people so of course had to go.
http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/biography/

The dispute between Iran and the disbanded Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC) continued with no resolution on the horizon, increasing tension between Iran and Britain. The British government imposed economic sanctions on Iran and threatened Iran with a military attack. In June 1951, the Iranian government discovered a British spy network that revealed subversive activities by a large number of Iranian politicians and journalists, including communists who were receiving bribes from the British government and the AIOC. Mossadegh at the U.N. In response, the Iranian government closed the British consulate. The British government reacted by calling their ambassador, Francis Shepherd, back to London. In October 1951, Premier Mohammad Mossadegh traveled to New York to personally defend Iran’s right to nationalize its oil industry before the UN Security Council. The British government, looking for support, had taken their case to the United Nations for a hearing. Mossadegh gave a dramatic and successful presentation, demonstrating that Britain’s oil profits in 1950 alone were more than what it paid to Iran during the previous half century.

The U.N., not stopping wars since forever. Meh. It could be worse I guess. Peace.

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@eyo on a sovereign nation backed by the military & intelligence & diplomatic resources of allegedly democratic countries. There are few countries with natural resources that have not suffered from economic imperialism so that the few in the core capitalist counties can profit.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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@duckpin
to have their government, military, economy, civilian infrastructure and even their centuries old heritage completely shattered by the American war machine implementing The Long War.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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And the Family wants to loot Persia.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeldwfOwuL8]

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

that war would be the way

to ensure that Iran’s nuclear program is used solely for peaceful purposes.
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@Linda Wood

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@Big Al Big Al,
If it`s war they want, it`s war they`ll get.
Here in Malibu I have my little piggy posse that can kick Ass.

IN THE DRESSING ROOM DSCN1298

I`m cutting in to say "Hi", since I`ve been a stranger of late. Thank you for your posts & have a great weekend, a hard thing to achieve these days.

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@Knucklehead glad you cut in man. Always great to see ya. Life is too short to not enjoy every day brother, you know that. I lost another one last night man. It's tough, all you can do is appreciate the day. I still need to get my ass down to Malibu. Maybe this summer.

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@Big Al Big Al, I always have an open house.
As a matter of fact I posted that quite a few years ago.
Open House. Dinner when you show up. The table is set out on my deck.

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Obama publicity blitz. It included an "isn't Dubya adorable" section with Michelle fawning over him. It looks like the status quo factions are closing ranks. Their interests are not ours. They serve the Vampire Squid that feeds them.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

@Lily O Lady
once you get to know them.

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@native
plutocracy.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

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@Lily O Lady
and slobber over him. He's being marketed now like he was before his first election, this dreamy good looking black man who everybody loves and who's America's dreamboat. Sentimental fluff to use on those that read things like People Magazine and Huffington Post and watch KUWTK.

I'm just waiting for them to crank out another picture of him running down the beach in his bathing trunks. (Obama eats it up. He sure is a camera whore.)

During the healthcare hearings I got into it with some of his more 'zealous' supporters who were telling me how racist I was for criticizing this guy. You know who I mean. They said I had no right to criticize him because I was white and any criticism RACIST!!! I told them I sure as hell did have that right because he was plastered all over the media with those 'sexy' pictures and he was sold to all women like movie stars are sold in tabloids and gossip magazines. Since he was supposedly the new heartthrob of the left and he was sold that way, they were full of shit saying white women had no reason right to criticize him. Plus he was half white. THE HOWLS OF OUTRAGE WERE HILARIOUS.

Is there a way to go back and find that stuff? Are comments saved or just OPs? I would love to go re-read that shit again. Even Meteor Blades said that he 'gave me credit' for what I was trying to say, but it probably wasn't going to go over with the in-crowd. It didn't. But it was fun.

I was always destined for a short shelf life on TOP. And I made the most of it.

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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@Amanda Matthews

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Probably. Ignore the inflammatory click bait subject. Thanks.
The Tokyo Fire Raids, 1945

Wherever there was a canal, people hurled themselves into the water; in shallow places, people waited, half sunk in noxious muck, mouths just above the surface of the water. Hundreds of them were later found dead; not drowned, but asphyxiated by the burning air and smoke. In other places, the water got so hot that the luckless bathers were simply boiled alive. Some of the canals ran directly into the Sumida; when the tide rose, people huddled in them drowned. In Asakusa and Honjo, people crowded onto the bridges, but the spans were made of steel that gradually heated; human clusters clinging to the white-hot railings finally let go, fell into the water and were carried off on the current. Thousands jammed the parks and gardens that lined both banks of the Sumida. As panic brought ever fresh waves of people pressing into the narrow strips of land, those in front were pushed irresistibly toward the river; whole walls of screaming humanity toppled over and disappeared in the deep water. Thousands of drowned bodies were later recovered from the Sumida estuary.

Sirens sounded the all-clear around 5 A.M. - those still working in the half of the city that had not been attacked; the other half burned for twelve hours more. I talked to someone who had inspected the scene an March 11. What was most awful, my witness told me, was having to get off his bicycle every couple of feet to pass over the countless bodies strewn through the streets. There was still a light wind blowing and some of the bodies, reduced to ashes, were simply scattering like sand. In many sectors, passage was blocked by whole incinerated crowds."

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/firebombing-of-tokyo

On this day, U.S. warplanes launch a new bombing offensive against Japan, dropping 2,000 tons of incendiary bombs on Tokyo over the course of the next 48 hours. Almost 16 square miles in and around the Japanese capital were incinerated, and between 80,000 and 130,000 Japanese civilians were killed in the worst single firestorm in recorded history.

Early on March 9, Air Force crews met on the Mariana Islands of Tinian and Saipan for a military briefing. They were planning a low-level bombing attack on Tokyo that would begin that evening, but with a twist: Their planes would be stripped of all guns except for the tail turret. The decrease in weight would increase the speed of each Superfortress bomber-and would also increase its bomb load capacity by 65 percent, making each plane able to carry more than seven tons. Speed would be crucial, and the crews were warned that if they were shot down, all haste was to be made for the water, which would increase their chances of being picked up by American rescue crews. Should they land within Japanese territory, they could only expect the very worst treatment by civilians, as the mission that night was going to entail the deaths of tens of thousands of those very same civilians. “You’re going to deliver the biggest firecracker the Japanese have ever seen,” said U.S. Gen. Curtis LeMay.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-firebombing-of-tokyo-continues

Early in the morning, the B-29s dropped their bombs of napalm and magnesium incendiaries over the packed residential districts along the Sumida River in eastern Tokyo. The conflagration quickly engulfed Tokyo’s wooden residential structures, and the subsequent firestorm replaced oxygen with lethal gases, superheated the atmosphere, and caused hurricane-like winds that blew a wall of fire across the city. The majority of the 100,000 who perished died from carbon monoxide poisoning and the sudden lack of oxygen, but others died horrible deaths within the firestorm, such as those who attempted to find protection in the Sumida River and were boiled alive, or those who were trampled to death in the rush to escape the burning city. As a result of the attack, 10 square miles of eastern Tokyo were entirely obliterated, and an estimated 250,000 buildings were destroyed.

During the next nine days, U.S. bombers flew similar missions against Nagoya, Osaka, and Kobe. In August, U.S. atomic attacks against Hiroshima and Nagasaki finally forced Japan’s hand.

The world is not my enemy, includes Iran. Peace.

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@eyo concluded without the atomic bombs. I can't say but those in a position to know do say that.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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@duckpin
capitulate. The bombs were dropped solely for US dominance over the Soviet Union and the new world order that was unfolding at the end of the war.

The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb and the Architecture of an American Myth
One of the most controversial issues absorbing America today: Was it necessary to drop the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Fifty years after the fateful summer of 1945, we are still debating Harry Truman's decision. Now, in an exhaustive, thoroughly documented study of the events of that time, Gar Alperovitz makes plain why the United States did not need to deploy the bomb, how Truman was advised of alternatives to it by nearly every civilian and military adviser, and how his final decision was later justified by what amounted to a deception - the claim that the action saved half a million to a million American soldiers who might otherwise have died in an invasion. Alperovitz demonstrates that Japan was close to surrender, that it was profoundly threatened by the prospect of Soviet entry into the war, and that American leaders knew the end was near. Military commanders like Eisenhower, Arnold, and Leahy saw no need to use the bomb; most of Truman's key Cabinet members urged a clarification of the position of Japan's Emperor to speed surrender. But the inexperienced president listened most intently to his incoming secretary of state, James F. Byrnes, and Byrnes was convinced the bomb would be an important diplomatic instrument in dealing with the Soviets.

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@CB on the same day, on their front page, had a circle of destruction showing A-Bomb damage superimposed on Moscow, our ally in the war and the nation that bore the brunt of the Nazi onslaught and defeated it.
This backs up what you just said - I agree, there's a connection and a message sent and that message said "we're starting thee Cold War and it's aimed at you."

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@eyo Absolutely horrific. Man`s inhumanity to man.
I don`t like having to thank you for some of these insights into history, but if not for those like you, historians all, the truth remains hidden, so, Thank you.
And please, do read my sigline.

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And this has been true for two decades. The US has been so intent on spending its treasure on wars and military interventions, both overt and covert, it failed to notice it was badly losing an economic/demographic war across Eurasia. China and its partners will most likely have a 7,500 mile HSR right across Eurasia well before the US finishes the 520 mile California HSR (scheduled to be completed in 2029).

Trump is a businessman. Do you think he will notice what is going on? Or has the war mongering Deep State finally managed to get a ring firmly attached to his snout?

First ‘Silk Road’ train arrives in Iran from China
16 Feb, 2016
The first freight train to resurrect the ancient Silk Road route arrived in Iran from China on Monday.

It took just 14 days for the 32-container train loaded with Chinese goods to complete the 5,900 mile (9,500km) journey from China’s eastern Zhejiang province through Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan.

It’s 30 days shorter than the sea voyage from Shanghai to the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas, according to the head of the Iranian railway company, Mohsen Pourseyed Aqayi.
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“The arrival of this train in less than 14 days is unprecedented,” he said, adding that the revival of the Silk Road is crucial for the countries on its route.

The new silk road: From China to the U.K., world’s longest train route arrives in London
January 19, 2017
It was once known as the Silk Road, the route along which trade first flourished between China and Europe, bringing silks, spices, Chinese porcelain and gunpowder from the east.

But Wednesday the arrival of a freight train at Barking, east London, signalled a new chapter in the history of the centuries-old trading route.

The East Wind train pulled up at its destination at 1 p.m. yesterday, after a 16-day journey, to become the first direct freight train linking China and Britain.

Its 34 wagons, carrying 68 containers loaded with £4-million of household goods such as clothes, socks, suitcases, purses and wallets, travelled 12,000 kilometres — making it arguably the longest train journey in the world.
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The train’s name is taken from Chairman Mao’s dictum: “The east wind will prevail over the west wind.”

The China Railway corporation has already begun operating rail services to 14 European cities, including Madrid and Hamburg.
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@eyo @CB

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@CB

Same people who own the US own China and Russia. When you lay down with dogs, everyone gets fleas.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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@dkmich
I think there is considerable sibling rivalry as well as jealousy between the members of the 'family'. It is not a homogeneous entity and shifts with time. WWII was an excellent example of how these 'brotherly' allegiances formed, shifted and reformed.

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is just political posturing. It's crazy-talk. There is no way the USA could possibly attack Iran without incurring serious damage to itself, its global influence, its economy, its oil industry, and god knows what else. To do so would be a potentially suicidal blunder. I find it hard to believe that America's ruling elite, greedy and obstreperous and Zionist though it often seems to be, would ever resort to something quite that bat-shit crazy.

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@native Since the elites won't be the ones to suffer, and in fact a war will benefit the rich until the poor run out of money. Then they'll move to their private estates and pay whatever country takes the place of the US to buy their weapons.

Essentially they're holding a gun to the US and smiling as we pray they won't pull the trigger.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9mJ82x_l-E]

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@detroitmechworks I'm not nearly high enough to deal with this.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@detroitmechworks Thanks for the video - used to love this and haven't heard it in ages. Needed to hear something I liked after the descriptions of horrendous war-crimes worse on a larger scale than any I recall even hearing of Hitler having committed.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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@native
The costs would be much too great for America. But the US Deep State is very adept at creating proxy wars as a means to its ends if it is unable to involve itself militarily with complete impunity.

Unfortunately, as we have recently witnessed, even low level proxy wars combined with sanctions can destroy countries as much as, if not greater, as an all out war.

Fortunately for Iran, internal sectarian divisions cannot be used as a fulcrum because the country is 90-95% Shia. The only proxy war the US can foment against Iran would be to get Saudi Arabia involved, possibly using Yemen as a casus belli. We can see this now taking place with the seemingly schizophrenic US policies and actions in that region. They have been playing both ends of the field for over a decade.

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@CB @CB Shock and Awe with ground forces, not at first they can't. But like with Libya, Syria, Yemen, even Venezuela, there are ways to wage war other than ground forces and bombs. Now they've got cyberwar capabilities also. And they can manufacture internal divisions other than religious which they've been working on in Iran for decades. Zionist Israel is a key driver of this as well, Iran has long been on the neocon list.
It all sounds crazy but we're dealing with crazy people.

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@Big Al
despite many failed US attempts to foment internal strife since the US installed Shaw and the brutal CIA trained SAVAK were given the boot by the Iranian people.

Iranian Public Opinion on the Nuclear Negotiations

Iranians, unlike their counterparts in the US, know their history quite well (as do the majority of the people in the nations that the US intervenes in). US propaganda mainly brainwashes Americans. Unfortunately, it works exceptionally well.

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@CB
never mind the Iranians. I don't see it as posing any threat to Iran's very capable military forces. Any war with Iran would surely prove disastrous for the Kingdom. And what other proxies could the US possibly use? We've done run out of proxies in that neck of the woods. Regardless of all the bluster we're hearing from various war hawks, America doesn't have the stomach to send large numbers of its own troops into battle, yet again. I don't think that's a politically feasible option, no matter what Trump says.

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@native @native
It has been addicted to the pursuit of world hegemony since the end of WWII.

McMaster as National Security Advisor is going to be especially troublesome in this respect.

National Security Adviser General McMaster: Resident Parrot of The Military Industrial War Complex
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General McMaster presents to his audience a defense strategy based on “deterrence by denial, and deterrence at the frontier to ratchet up the cost [for] potential adversaries at the frontier,” referring to regions of the planet thousands of miles from US shores where the US seeks to either maintain or reassert it power and influence, or to project its power into regions hitherto independent of Wall Street and Washington’s influence.

Seamless Continuity of Agenda

President Trump’s pick of General McMaster as National Security Adviser ensures that national security remains dominated by the corporate-financier funded think tanks that have devised, determined, and dominated US foreign policy for decades. Policy papers General McMaster repeatedly cites in every talk he gives, at one corporate-financier funded think tank after another, are the products of these very think tanks.
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Edit to add "coincidence".

https://www.stripes.com/royal-navy-unified-trident-exercise-not-a-show-o...
January 31, 2017
The multilateral exercise Unified Trident began Tuesday in the Persian Gulf amid rising tensions between the U.S. and Iran.
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Despite the setting, Unified Trident has nothing to do with Iran, said the exercise planner Royal Navy Lt. Cmdr. Ant Wallace, who spoke to the media and answered questions.

“It’s not a show of force to the Iranians at all,” Wallace said. “The reason we are doing this exercise, and I’ll stress this over and over again, is because it’s easier to do here than it would be anywhere else. It’s a key opportunity to bring ships together, to exercise together and to operate together. The fact that it’s in the [Persian] Gulf is coincidental, really.”
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@CB
We're just having a friendly little get-together, that's all...in Iran's back yard.

It's true, the MIC establishment likes and trusts McMaster. It's probably why Trump chose him.

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@CB

I agree. But the US can't seem to stop meddling in the region.

It has been addicted to the pursuit of world hegemony since the end of WWII. ...

It seems apparent that, first, the US PTB wanted to support the Nazis, then they wanted to be the Nazis. And so far, they seem to have been doing even more damage than the Nazis succeeded in doing and are ready to enact the Final Solution to life on the planet.

Why can't these lunatics commit their own unwitting suicides first?

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

@native @native

Yes, but the crazies are ravingly eager to use those stock-piled nukes on a range of countries strong enough to withstand conventional invasion and attacks. Even if they themselves wind up huddled in luxury bunkers until the power fails and the oxygen runs out, as the last life in the world to die - but to die 'king'. Queen, in the case of already-Zombie Hillary, of course.

Edit to add the extrapolated disastrous global results of '... A limited, regional nuclear war between India and Pakistan ...': which must in turn be extrapolated to the US PTB setting off Mutual Assured Destruction among multiple countries, with the reality-deficient ignoramuses of the Parasite Class foolishly thinking that they could somehow survive comfortably, and maybe even have a special country with magically retained oxygen to move to.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013EF000205/full

Research Article
Multidecadal global cooling and unprecedented ozone loss following a regional nuclear conflict

First published: 1 April 2014Full publication history
DOI: 10.1002/2013EF000205View/save citation
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Abstract

We present the first study of the global impacts of a regional nuclear war with an Earth system model including atmospheric chemistry, ocean dynamics, and interactive sea ice and land components. A limited, regional nuclear war between India and Pakistan in which each side detonates 50 15 kt weapons could produce about 5 Tg of black carbon (BC). This would self-loft to the stratosphere, where it would spread globally, producing a sudden drop in surface temperatures and intense heating of the stratosphere. Using the Community Earth System Model with the Whole Atmosphere Community Climate Model, we calculate an e-folding time of 8.7 years for stratospheric BC compared to 4–6.5 years for previous studies. Our calculations show that global ozone losses of 20%–50% over populated areas, levels unprecedented in human history, would accompany the coldest average surface temperatures in the last 1000 years. We calculate summer enhancements in UV indices of 30%–80% over midlatitudes, suggesting widespread damage to human health, agriculture, and terrestrial and aquatic ecosystems. Killing frosts would reduce growing seasons by 10–40 days per year for 5 years. Surface temperatures would be reduced for more than 25 years due to thermal inertia and albedo effects in the ocean and expanded sea ice. The combined cooling and enhanced UV would put significant pressures on global food supplies and could trigger a global nuclear famine. Knowledge of the impacts of 100 small nuclear weapons should motivate the elimination of more than 17,000 nuclear weapons that exist today.

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@CB But some of the people running the US want to, very badly.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@native
Assuming something suicidal for the United States would not be part of the agenda of the CIA/PNAC is short-sighted. They are in the business of expanding company power, not national power. Clearly they are opposed to democracy in any form, including especially the false kinds in Syria and Iran, where women vote, where there is (was) healthcare, education, and small business. That is what they are working to eradicate. And they'll stop at nothing.

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becomes war with Russia overnight, so be it. If that means the destruction of American cities, so be it. It will make the case for the usefulness of nuclear weapons, no matter how much of the United States is no longer liveable. These people are psychopaths. Psychopathology is what it takes to be successful in this business.

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@native At this point, I am beginning to think that our ruling elite ARE just that crazy. I wish I could be as optimistic about all of this as you are, native. And I am pretty much an optimistic person, but the last several years have sorely tested what remains of my own optimism. These people are so crazed by their greed and desire to rule the world that I think they believe a nuclear war is both survivable and winnable. Dash 1

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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@native There's a division within the Deep State on this issue. Unfortunately, more power seems to be on the crazypants side.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@native

There are those among the Parasite Class who believe that if they only clap hard enough for themselves, they can create any 'reality' they want reality to really be and have it somehow made real. These are crazy-people. Unfortunately, they're taking the rest of us with them, because we are letting the few destroy all democracy, civilization, life on the planet...

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planes and moving NATO troops into Tehran and, probably shortly thereafter, Simferopol.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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to Floridians like me. But the real showstopper down here in O-ville is the trio of vomit: tRump, Bitch DeVos, and Retch Scott meeting at a Catholic school today to push taxpayer money into funding ONLY private schools. According to tRump, the future of American education has to be profit driven. This bozo makes Rayguns look like Einstein. Hastings is not even a blip on the screen. Rec'd!!

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

War with Iran will lead to war with China - before the Chinese are ready. The Chinese ecological meltdown will occur in about five years, and China will have to go to war or starve and drown in a flood of cholera epidemics and COPD. They will need oil for that war - middle eastern oil. That is why W started the whole damn process, and why Obama escalated it.
Interesting: China's ICBMs cannot be fired fast enough for a retaliatory strike, while America's can, meaning that if the US fires first we win, but if China fires first we all die. Enter Russia.
If China can convince (or if the US proves) that Russian survival requires a first strike, then Russia will provide enough nukes to strike "successfully" (China also probably doesn't have enough nukes to "succeed" alone) while also bleeding off enough of the US retaliatory strike to give China a chance to "survive". Enter the Ukraine.
If Russian/EU tensions continue, Russia will have to target most of its nukes against the EU. Thus Obama's strategy - "let's you and him fight". (and if the "Russian Spies!" story is real then it makes sense)
Then all we have to do is wait until China gives us justification for a first strike.
How's that for cynicism?

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On to Biden since 1973

@doh1304

Well, in that case, the cream of the joke will be on the instigators, huddled in their quake-wracked bunkers, having made Earth inimical to life and, however dressed up they may be, having left themselves absolutely nowhere to go when the power dies and their oxygen - the last breathable air on Earth - is gone... That's assuming that the globe remains in roughly the same shape, of course.

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wants to be Persia again and respected. Iranians/Persians are very intelligent people. USA! USA! messes with them, and it will wish it hadn't.

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

Can American citizens place sanctions on corrupt politicians/parties?

Failing this, why aren't massive sanctions being placed by the American public, in the form of mass boycotts, on all corrupt corporate/billionaire funders dependent upon consumer support, as a start?

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