OT WE 26 FEB 25 ~ Green Deal
Marketed by industrialists, it was supposed to create jobs, infrastructure investment,
energy independence and good for the environment. That all sounds good but what
became of this grand new scheme? The legislature sold out millions of taxpayer monies
to fund this idea. What has it produced?
Using corn to make fuel increases the price of food. This is not disputed.
Yet some Republicans are insisting on keeping costly ethanol provisions of the Democrat
“green new deal” in the Republican budget reconciliation plan.
Rep. Tom Massie
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1894356303239164170.html
Once again, our elected leaders have squandered an opportunity to enact a positive
transformation of our economy for buddy pay-outs and self enrichment. Solar? No.
Wind? No. Affordable Electric cars? Not from China. Mass transit? Fogettaboutit.
By using the "New Deal" nomenclature to inspire belief, we seem to be holding an
empty bag at the end of this proposal.
Open thread so save energy and recycle the trash. Oh, and add anything that burns.
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Doing a bit of research
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The American Action Forum estimates that,
between 2020 and 2029, the energy and environmental
components of the Green New Deal would cost $8.3 trillion to $12.3 trillion.
The pertinent legislation is buried in a Biden era bill: the Inflation Reduction Act.
In one of Trump v2 first executive orders, the president instructed agencies to terminate the so-called “Green New Deal,” which he has described as “ridiculous” and “incredibly wasteful.”
In reality, there is no Green New Deal law in effect in the United States today, despite previous attempts to pass one in Congress. What Trump actually paused funding for in his executive order was the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act: a spending bill passed under former president Joe Biden.
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In a semi-related topic
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After trade dispute, Mexico officially bans the planting of GM corn.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trade-dispute-mexico-officially-bans-00043321...
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It was hijacked by the globalists...
To be used much like COVID to herd people into 15 min cities, eliminate livestock production, and dictate what activities are allowed.
The irony to me is how the "Greens" became warmongers in the EU. Another sell out policy I'm afraid.
Thanks for the OT. It is a lovely day here headed to the 70'sF
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
The deeper I dove into the concept
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it was an obvious omnibus corporate give away
promising utopia and delivering grift instead
marketing it a a 'green new deal'
remember the environment supporters were
ecstatic at the time *but* turned out to be a ruse.
There has got to be a better way.
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Republicans hate the environment
Nothings changed since Reagan removed the solar panels from the roof of the White House.
I'm great at multi-tasking. I can waste time, be unproductive, and procrastinate all at the same time.
Oh, remember that
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had just enrolled in a solar program in Arizona
when Raygun pulled that stunt. The school
cancelled the program midstream. Damn
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@Socialprogressive I suppose that could be
I suppose that could be construed. After all, Jerry Brown's dad switched from Republican to Democrat in order to become governor (as I understood it from my brief research). So at heart, perhaps, "Pat", Jerry and Kathleen (that wildly conservative candidate from all those years ago)
were just what they did not claim to be under the guise.
Both Pat and Jerry were DEAD SET on drilling in offshore marine sanctuaries. Pat lobbying for Occidental in Santa Monica after leaving office, and Jerry Brown fighting for fracking in the same protected zones.
I suppose if you wish to segregate Democrats from Republicans on the basis of issues which neither has served in the last fifty years, that might work for you.
But it's a blindness that puts you at equal fault.
I apologize if I read too much into your comment.
I should stop feigning anguish over the obvious corrupt politicians and their direct connections to energy companies and global warming.
Old news.
Isn't AAF a lobby group?
Composed of old Dubya administration has beens?
This is from an old source, but it looks like they cut down on their hyperbolic numbers.
Thanks for the OT QMS!
語必忠信 行必正直
You are probably right
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The numbers I saw were all over the place.
Part of the problem with these omnibus spending
bills is the actual cost is not broken out of the overall
package. So they included jobs, infrastructure, health
care for all, and everything else in the original proposal.
Then called it green new deal. How that relates to inflation
reduction is anybody's guess.
Cheers
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The few parts of it that were environmentally inclined, were
mostly give aways to upper income or selected companies.
A tax break for the upper middle class to buy Teslas and mini splits to use for AC. Not much else.
We need electric transmission lines.
Objection! Cornfoozled in extremis.
Caveats - I'm not a farmer, biologist, linguist or chemist. Also not a "southron".
It is a bit misleading to say that corn is used to make fuel. Corn is used to make ethanol, which is used as an additive to gasoline. It is an octane booster and an oxygenate, making engines run more smoothly, more efficiently and cleaner. It has also been used as fuel itself in limited amounts in some special purpose automobile racing engines - this use predates its use as an octane booster and oxygenate in everyday fuels.
"CORN" is a very tricky word, it is not as fungible as one would think. If the corn used to make alcohol were not so used, it would not then be available as "food". If some found its way into the stocks of sweet corn used for corn on the cob, it would be considered to be a contaminant. OTOH, the acreage upon which it is grown could arguably used to grow some sort of "food" crops.
I dunno about all the forms in which "edible" corn is produced, but the corn used to make alcohol is down there with "horse corn", perhaps in a special "industrial corn" hopper. "Sweet corn", eaten as corn on the cob, etc. is the beest of the best of the best, at least out here.
"Horse corn" is a much lower grade, used as animal fodder, it can indirectly enter the food chain in the form of corn fed beef.
What I cannot speak to is the grade/strains of corn used for any of the following, which do enter the food chain
High Fructose Corn Syrup
Regular Corn Syrup (Kayro)
Corn Oil (you know, Mazola)
Corn meal/Polenta (I don't know if this has been subjected to nixtamalization)
Hominy and presumably other products resulting from nixtamalizartion, such as corm masa
Grits, whatever the hell they may be
Corn chips
Corn nuts
Corn based breakfast cereals
nonetheless, I suspect the stuff used for human consumption is a better grade than the stuff used for fodder.
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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
That is a very corny diatribe
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It is known that ethanol used as an additive to gasoline
ruins the small parts (gaskets, valves, hoses, etc.) in smaller
engines. Especially in a marine environment. Ethanol absorbs
moisture and when used to fuel engines, gums-up the works.
Back on the farm, we knew the difference between "cow corn",
sweet corn and popcorn. You could roast and eat young cow corn.
Not too bad with lots of salt and butter.
I think Mexico has a legitimate issue trying to protect their native
varieties. Had a home made tamale last night, wrapped in corn
husks and made with masa flour. Mmm good.
BWANGO
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Hmmm….
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Trump: “ The Ukraine war wouldn’t have started if I was president at the time.”
Plus he put the harshest sanctions on Russia and admitted 4 countries into NATO.
If weapons still get sent then he owns the war.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Speaking of agriculture,
here is a great example of burying the lede in headline writing. Zerohedge is all in an uproar over this new story:
Texas Rancher Killed Near Border In IED Attack By Cartel Terrorist
https://archive.ph/Tqdv8
Near Brownsville, Texas! Sounds very menacing. However, on closer examination, the attack actually occurred 80 miles south of the border, in the Santa Rita area of San Fernando, Tamaulipas, Mexico:
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2025/02/26/texas-ag-commissioner-urges-c...
There is no doubt that South Texas is under assault by the cartels, and cartel-driven violence is a huge issue throughout the area. But the spin applied by that headline is clearly slanted in favor of the "invade and kill them all" side of the divide. The drums are being beaten heavily, as usual.
I truly feel for those ranchers who work spreads that cross the border: there will be no winning for them. And this is a major tragedy. But the answer to that tragedy is not "Kill them all and let Gawd sort it out".
This took place "near the border" in the same way that Denver is "near Kansas". I'm really tired of the social-media/media-media efforts spent whipping the American people into yet another bloodlust-driven war frenzy. We all have people we truly care for that live in the area, and unlimbering the US Government's usual and customary "Ready! Fire! Aim!" tactic, yet again, is not the answer- for them, or anyone else.
Sigh...
Twice bitten, permanently shy.