11/18 Open Thread - The Anniversary of Goodridge v. Department of Public Health

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~~ Brighton Pride 2015

On this day in 2003 The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled that the state's ban on same-sex marriage was unconstitutional in Goodridge v. Department of Public Health. This resulted an a great wailing and gnashing of teeth among assorted priests, sacerdotes. their acolytes and faithful followers who had become habituated to the bizarre intrusion of these types into everybody's lives. Nobody knows the time at which religionists began exerting control over people's love lives and sex lives, but we do know that it wasn't always the case and was seemingly also never everywhere the case. Some simply chalk it up to the rise of patriarchal religions and cultures and the concomitant rise of cultural phenomena such as primogeniture, the treatment of females as chattels and/or currency, the use of females as "wives" to cement political alliances and the like. Others suggest that it was simply a con job somehow perpetrated by the priestly classes to gain control over one of peoples' primordial drives simply for the sake of the power or to profit from its displacement or sublimation. Whatever the cause, the Massachusetts court did not find that imposition of the religious dogmas of various groups upon the populace as a whole without any underlying rational purpose was a legitimate governmental purpose:

This court concluded that barring an individual from the protections, benefits, and obligations of civil marriage solely because that person would marry a person of the same sex violated the Massachusetts Constitution in that such a marriage ban did not meet the rational basis test for either due process or equal protection, where the Commonwealth failed to identify any constitutionally adequate reason for denying civil marriage to same-sex couples.

This decision was quite possibly the thin edge of the judicial wedge against such rationally purposeless laws, though the battle to impose them on society continues, with prohibitions against abortion being an obvious example.

Somewhat apropos to the questions and issues above, on this day in 1302 Pope Boniface VIII issued the Papal bull Unam sanctam. I'll let the wiki take it from there:

Unam sanctam[a] is a papal bull that was issued by Pope Boniface VIII on 18 November 1302. It laid down dogmatic propositions on the unity of the Catholic Church, the necessity of belonging to it for eternal salvation, the position of the Pope as supreme head of the Church and the duty thence arising of submission to the Pope in order to belong to the Church and thus to attain salvation. The Pope further emphasized the higher position of the spiritual in comparison with the secular order. The historian Brian Tierney calls it "probably the most famous" document on church and state in medieval Europe.[1] The original document is lost, but a version of the text can be found in the registers of Boniface VIII in the Vatican Archives.[2] The bull was the definitive statement of the late medieval theory of hierocracy, which argued for the temporal as well as spiritual supremacy of the pope.[3]

Uh, Huh

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On this day in history:

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1095 – The Council of Clermont began: leading to the First Crusade

1302 – Pope Boniface VIII issued the Papal bull Unam sanctam, creating a papal dictatorship in both the secular and spiritual realms.

1803 – The Battle of Vertières, was fought, leading to the establishment of the Republic of Haiti

1865 – Mark Twain's "The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calaveras County" was published

1872 – Susan B. Anthony and 14 other women were arrested for voting while female

1883 – US and Canadian railroads instituted five standard continental time zones

1903 – Panama gave the US exclusive rights over the Canal Zone in the Hay–Bunau-Varilla Treaty.

1909 – The US sent two warships plus some marines to set up a base in Nicaragua for attacks on the government of José Santos Zelaya. This was in part because Nicaragua was a threat to create a shipping path between the Atlantic and Pacific competing with the Panama Canal.

1910 – Black Friday: Three hundred suffragettes marched to the British Parliament iwhere they wr attacked, beaten, and some even sexually molested by cops and crowds of male citizens. Calls for a public inquiry were rejected by Winnie Churchill. *

1928 – Steamboat Willie was released, eventually leading to our obscenely extended copyright laws

1961 –JFK sent 18,000 soldiers to South Vietnam as, heh, "advisors".

1978 – The Jonestown massacre went down, making a meme out of kool-aid

1985 – Calvin and Hobbes was published in ten newspapers

1988 – Reagan signed a bill into law allowing the death penalty for drug traffickers.

1993 –The US House of Representatives. approved NAFTA. Thanks Bill.

2002 – United Nations weapons inspectors led by Hans Blix arrived in Iraq but GWB and his entire cabinet were able to lie the US into war on Iraq all the same..

2003 – The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled that the state's ban on same-sex marriage was unconstitutional and gave the state legislature 180 days to change the law. This made Massachusetts the first state in the United States to grant marriage rights to same-sex couples. (Goodridge v. Department of Public Health)

* Churchill was called the Home Secretary, but nobody ever saw him take dictation

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Some people who were born on this day:

The art of advertisement, after the American manner, has introduced into all our life such a lavish use of superlatives, that no standard of value whatever is intact.

~~ Wyndham Lewis

1787 – Louis Daguerre, physicist and photographer, invented the daguerreotype
1810 – Asa Gray, botanist
1836 – W. S. Gilbert, playwright, poet, and illustrator
1860 – Ignacy Jan Paderewski, pianist, composer, and politician

1861 – Dorothy Dix, journalist and author
1882 – Wyndham Lewis, painter and critic
1882 – Frances Gertrude McGill, pioneering forensic pathologist
1899 – Eugene Ormandy, violinist and conductor
1899 – Howard Thurman, author, philosopher and civil rights activist open thread,
1901 – George Gallup, statistician
1908 – Imogene Coca, actress, comedian, and singer

1909 – Johnny Mercer, singer, songwriter and producer, co-founder of Capitol Records
1927 – Hank Ballard, singer and songwriter
1928 – Sheila Jordan, singer, songwriter, and pianist
1936 – Don Cherry, trumpet player
1944 – Edwin C. Krupp, astronomer, archaeoastronomer, author, Director Griffith Observatory
1945 – Wilma Mankiller, activist, social worker, and first female principal chief of the Cherokee Nation
1946 – Chris Rainbow, singer, songwriter, and producer
1950 – Graham Parker, singer, songwriter, and guitarist
1950 – Rudy Sarzo, rock bass player
1952 – John Parr, singer, songwriter and guitarist
1953 – Jan Kuehnemund, rock guitarist
1957 – Tony Bunn, bassist, composer, producer, and writer
1960 – Kim Wilde, singer & songwriter

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Some people who died on this day:

As long as men are free to ask what they must, free to say what they think, free to think what they will, freedom can never be lost and science can never regress.

~~ Marcel Proust

1247 – Robin Hood, heroic outlaw in English folklore; nothing about him, including his existence, is known with any certainty, except, it seems, his death.
1922 – Marcel Proust, author and critic
1952 – Paul Éluard, poet and author
1962 – Niels Bohr, physicist, and academic,
1965 – Henry A. Wallace, agronomist and bureaucrat,
1969 – Ted Heath, trombonist and bandleader
1972 – Danny Whitten, singer, songwriter, and guitarist
1976 – Man Ray, photographer and painter
1994 – Cab Calloway, singer, songwriter and bandleader
1999 – Doug Sahm, singer, guitarist, bajo sexto, and fiddle player. Sir Douglas, Texas Tornado.
2004 – Cy Coleman, pianist and composer
2010 – Brian G. Marsden, astronomer
2013 – S. R. D. Vaidyanathan, nadaswaram player and composer
2014 – Dave Appell, singer, songwriter. and producer
2016 – Sharon Jones, soul and funk singer

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Some Holidays, Holy Days, Festivals, Feast Days, Days of Recognition, and such:

Apple Cider Day
Occult Day
William Tell Day

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Today's Tunes

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Goodridge v. Department of Public Health

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Louis Daguerre

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WS Gilbert

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Johnny Mercer

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Hank Ballard

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Sheila Jordan

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Don Cherry

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Chris Rainbow

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Graham Parker

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John Parr

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Jan Kuehnemund

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Tony Bunn

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Kim Wilde

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Marcel Proust

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Cab Calloway

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Sharon Jones

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Sir Douglas Sahm

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Tornado Doug Sahm

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Bajo Sexto Sahm

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Alrighty, lookout! Doug Sahm, Leon Russell, Jerry Garcia & Friends: 2&1/2 Hour Jam

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Ok, it's an open thread, so it's up to you folks now. So what's on your mind?

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Cross posted from http://caucus99percent.com

Open Thread, Goodridge v. Department of Public Health, Marcel Proust, Wilma Mankiller, Cab Calloway, Doug Sahm, Hank Ballard, Sheila Jordan
, Sharon Jones

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Even in Alabama, gay marriage has not even stirred a ripple in society. Inter-racial marriage seemed a bigger stir here in the South, but now no one blinks an eye. Both are well accepted which is a good thing to my mind.

Monday AM is the Judge's interview with Alastair Crooke.

Alastair Crooke : Netanyahu’s Imaginary Victories (30 min)

Thanks for the music and OT!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Lookout

that Alabama is getting more accepting of "unconventional" marriages. All the flap, imho, is due to yet another misbegotten intrusion of religion into everyday life, with "marriage" being a "sacrament" of some sort and ergo subject to the prejuedices and hatreds of the sect perpetrating said intrusion. That makes such marriages a good thing if only because they weaken the influence of the religionistas over secular affairs.

be well and have a good thing.

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again this morning.

I wonder how much longer my luck will hold out?

I read the news about Biden's decision to immanentize the eschaton just before bed last night. I'd spent the weekend listening to music, old and new, and hadn't paid attention to the news. Serves me right- I didn't get much sleep. The old man will do anything he can to screw up Trump, up to and including killing us all. Now *that* is some spite, right there.

Anyway, at this moment I'm listening to CSN's "Wooden Ships", and the next song in the playlist is "Altus Silva" from Peter Gabriel's "Big Blue Ball" album, followed by "Walk Across The Rooftops" by Blue Nile and "Ever The Sun Will Rise" from the Tony Levin Band. I find this section of this playlist to be conducive to healing, so I think that I'll be listening to it extensively this morning. I'll leave Gang of Four's "He'd Send In The Army" until tomorrow, if it arrives.

Be well, and hold your loved ones close.

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@usefewersyllables

reminds me of a T-shirt a friend once gave me, tie-dyed with dancing bears and skeletons and maybe an "eat-your-face" skull bearing the test "Am I DEAD Yet?"

We'll see how restrained the Rus are. They could, upon the first attack, launch all out war against the US and NATO, but perhaps they'll just waste every port, airport and interior railway and highway in Ukiedom so as to render the weaponry undeliverable.

be well and have a good one

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@enhydra lutris

They have been taking their time to date. But with that escalation, they would do well to prophylactically frag the launch sites, toot sweet. They can't let that go unanswered.

Then Biden will reach out and touch them with something bigger, in a mad frenzy of pointless dick-swinging.

When they do finally decide to nuke us, one of the first detonations, if not the very first, will be at an altitude of some miles directly overhead here in Denver. We have the honor here of being the uplink capital of the nation: a truly massive fraction of satcom and terrestrial comms originate/terminate here, since we're pretty much in the middle of the continent, and are well above a good fraction of the atmosphere.

A nice high multi-megaton EMP burst will polish off not only the terrestrial comms and a bunch of the power grid, but also waste the majority of the satellites that are above the horizon. After that C3 disruption, they'll be able to just hunt-and-peck until whatever goals they have are achieved. And we'll be doing the same. It'll take maybe 3 hours, tops.

You know that scene in "Fail Safe", when Henry Fonda's President listens to the phone his wife is holding melt? Kinda like that.

I am now hoping that the Pentagon has a few military professionals who will refuse to follow illegal orders. I can easily see Biden deciding to do a first strike, just for shits and grins...

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@usefewersyllables

so there are no hard sights to take out. Not to be upstaged, the Brits and french both authorized deep strikes with their respective variants of the Storm Shadow, which I think is air launched. If it were me, I would take out every damn airport in the country that could theoretically handle any plane that could theoretically launch them.

be well and have a good one

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@humphrey

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/08/15/ukraine-behind-nord-stream...

A report by the US outlet Wall Street Journal claims Kyiv concocted the plan to blow up the pipeline bringing Russian gas to Germany in May 2022, citing four anonymous Ukrainian military sources.

A small Ukrainian crew disguised as a pleasure boat cruise was behind the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines, according to a report by the Wall Street Journal.

The operation was concocted during a drunken night in May 2022, as Ukrainian military officers celebrated halting Russia's full-scale invasion of the country and were looking to deal another blow to Moscow, the newspaper said, citing four anonymous sources familiar with the plan.

Nord Stream is a network of pipelines running under the Baltic Sea from Russia to Germany to provide Western Europe with natural gas, meaning it provided billions to the Kremlin's coffers.

The scheme reportedly cost around $300,000 (€273,000) and involved a six-member crew on a small rented yacht. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy initially approved it before the US intelligence agency CIA caught wind and asked him to stop.

https://apnews.com/article/finland-germany-data-communications-cable-9b2...

HELSINKI (AP) — German and Finland expressed deep concern over the discovery Monday of a severed undersea data cable between the countries through the Baltic Sea, saying it raised suspicions of sabotage and that an investigation was underway.

The foreign ministries of the two countries said in a joint statement that the damage comes at a time that “our European security is not only under threat from Russia‘s war of aggression against Ukraine, but also from hybrid warfare by malicious actors.”

The statement said the countries were investigating the incident, and that it was crucial that such “critical infrastructure” be safeguarded.

“The fact that such an incident immediately raises suspicions of intentional damage speaks volumes about the volatility of our times,” the two countries said.

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@humphrey
joke is on us again
does anyone believe
this BS? Guess it doesn't
matter who believes the lies
they will broad cast it anyway.

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@QMS

it was probably just some oil tanker that decided to run out all 10 shots of their anchor rode while proceeding whereeverwards at 20 knots. But only to make it easier for the crew to repaint the shackles while they haul it. As one does, of course. Routine. All in a day's work.

Nothing to see here- move along... (;-)

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@humphrey

that the second one is too. Lacking that, what's the odds for a false flag?

Or, heh, is that what you are asking?

be well and have a good one.

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Hi all, Hey EL!

Hope all is well all over the place.

Thanks for the OT, history, and great sounds EL!

Bird report: I am sure these are in ebird, and on local yahoo groups lists like East Bay Birds or North Bay Birds... Mount TRASHmore, which I think is the landfill near or in Livermore had a SMITH'S and 2 Lapland Longspur I think Fri. and Sat., as well as a SNOW BUNTING! The longspurs were not seen yesterday, the bunting was, but was said to be a ton of people looking and may have been too many around.

Would probably not care to admit how many landfills and sewage facilities I have been to, looking for birds. Unless she is a hardcore birder, definitely not 'first date' places though. Wink

On a personal note... I have a vision problem which has rendered the gray text which seemingly isde riguer now, just about invisible. I think OtC brought this up a couple months ago. I would score most text I am seeing is a 2 or 3 on the Kodak Gray Scale. That is 20 or .30 percent black. Far less than medium gray. Going against years of Graphic Arts study and a decade of design profession experience. Would we do this to speed limit signs? Not if we wanted them seen and easily read.

Thought I'd go get glasses a few weeks ago, turned out cataracts, and appointment next week for first step . Meanwhile I can barely read the web for the most part. Hence my scarcity hereabouts lately.

Be well all!

happy trails!

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Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein

@dystopian
get your cataracts fixed. I did it a couple of years ago and I was amazed about the difference it made. I walked around for a couple of weeks looking and pointing at things like I was seeing the world for the first time. It was kind of comical for others to watch.

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@JtC
My new hearing aids are a whole new experience for me. My five year old diesel tractor started making these horrible rattling noises that I never heard before. It was so pronounced that I was going to take it in to the dealership for repair.
Earthling2 informed me that it has been making those noises since we got it.
Same with my 35 year old Mazda truck. Whenever I pushed the clutch in, this god awful squeaking noise made me cringe. Again, earthling2 informs it's been doing that for years, and laughs.
Sometimes you don't know what you've lost even after you've lost it.
Is that a Yogi Berri quote?

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Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

@earthling1
it should be.

Sometimes you don't know what you've lost even after you've lost it.
Is that a Yogi Berri quote?

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@JtC Thanks man. Yeah am working on it, wheels in progress, appointment next Monday for the Lasik people to map their war plan (dilate pupils).

Doc said is was from having too many birthdays... Wink

be well brother!

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@dystopian @dystopian

landfill, currently part of the East Bay Regional Park open space at the foot of Winton. There was a trip down there to look for longspurs Friday conducted by the Ohlone Audubon Societym but my wife and I had to take a pass. Damn it.

Here at the house, in the past 2 -3 weeks we've had FOS Robin, Butterbutt and Townsend's Warbler.

Sorry about your cataracts. I've got some too, but not yet bad enough to operate on.

be well and have a good one

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@enhydra lutris @enhydra lutris Hi EL,

To funny about the longspurs... That Smith's is MEGA-rare in CA. I think maybe 10 records, all since the 1990's. I can't believe one was at the same place an dtime as a Snow Bunting, IN CA! Odds please? ; )

Great you are seeing Townsend's WArbler! For as many eastern warblers that are stunning to us westerners, Townsend's is the one that seems to blow easternes away the most. Those males are amazing.

Good thing most birds call, as that is just about what I am relegated to now. And good thing I know almost all the birds of North America by call. Will be good to be a seeing-eye birder again.

thanks! take care!

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@dystopian

I could be mistaken, but I had cataracts prematurely, as a result of truck driving a long time back, even though I wore UV prescription frames. My eyes were basically burned. I lost my night vision first with the characteristic dazzle from lights, that degrades vision at night.

Unfortunately, doctors treat this surgery as "routine." The surgeon I went to, literally did the "procedure" in 20 minutes, with three OP operating rooms going simultaneously to generate maximum cash returns. .

There was a series of adverse consequences from the surgery which I won't go into. Fortunately, my vision was correctable with glasses but the swelling in and around my left eye had been so extreme it actually changed my facial appearance. I had researched this doctor beforehand, his credentials, law suits, and didn't anticipate the series of problems I experienced. After a time, I was still able to pass the eye exam and drive a truck afterwards to pay the bills, so all's well that ends well, i guess.

I get all my eye care and other unrelated treatment at the VA now. The medicare advantage plan I have is worthless imo. A scam.

Good luck, Dystopian. Most people as I understand it, have an uneventful surgery and recovery. Wishing you the best.

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@soryang
I have no eye idea
but wouldn't volunteer
for the research involved

my eyes burned out by a
combination of focusing
on the relative distance
from the boat to the rig
into the reflected sun
and getting fried by radar
be damned if surgery is the answer?

glad you can see well enough

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@QMS
you probably have cataracts. See an eye doctor, it's a simple test.

Medicare pays for cataract surgery.

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@JtC
over the years
call me lazy or hazy
my grandad was a pioneering
eye specialist and he went blind

could be genetic?

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@QMS
sorry to hear that.

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@QMS @QMS

After I had some adverse effects from the cataract surgery, on balance, I'm still way better off having gotten the surgery, because it made me legal to drive.

I don't pretend to have medical expertise, but in the course of reading potential adverse outcomes from cataract surgery, I do recall reading that getting elective lasik surgery to improve or correct vision previously may be a risk factor for problems with later cataract surgery. Again, this is anecdotal and I'm relying on memory. My personal bias is that I would never allow someone to do an elective medical procedure on me anywhere, because there is always a chance of a potential adverse outcome, or side effect, that one hadn't bargained for, when seeking the elective "corrective" or "cosmetic" surgery. So the cost benefit analysis of elective procedures doesn't work for me personally.

Do your own research everyone. I'm an old dude, full of bias, with a faulty memory. I've learned I I have to rely on my own judgement, as unqualified as it is. It's a bitter feeling to rely on the judgement or opinion of others and then to wish you hadn't later.

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@soryang
.
not a fan of that approach
the tests are free but the procedures are not
like you, elective invasion of
the body corporate is a poor choice
the kidneys, liver, lungs and heart are
all falling by the wayside - plus joints
and musculature systems - so what to do?
spend an eternity in doc office waiting rooms
hassle with insurance and generally get f*ckd over
no thanks. aging may have consequences but it is
our choice on how to accept it, live with it and die in
peace with dignity (or so I think) once the brain goes ...
that is another matter

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@QMS

Astigmatism or near, far sight. Cataract surgery removes the lens that has become opaque. A new lens prescribed just for your eye is inserted and it should allow you to see better without glasses except for near vision. Readers should work. I buy mine at the $ store.

True story. Before Lasix which uses a laser the corneal correction was done with a scalpel. It flattens the cornea in certain areas. Looks like tire spokes, but the center of the cornea is left uncut.
How this came about was a Russian was in a bar fight and his cornea was cut with a broken beer bottle. After that he didn’t need glasses anymore. Doctors learned about the incident and took it from there.

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@snoopydawg
can not imagine
a knife in the eye
to correct vision
no matter if it is a
laser or scalpel
just don't see it

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@QMS

Sadly.

be damned if surgery is the answer?

It sounds like the problem is with your retina and cataracts are a different part of the eye. Imagine dropping your camera on a rock and shattered the lens before it dropped into the water. You can replace the lens, but unless you replace the film you won’t get a clear picture.

Do you know what your grandad went blind from? That has always been my biggest fear. I got to experience it this summer.

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@snoopydawg
.
last time I saw him, he was about 95
and his glasses looked like coke bottles
used to administer drops in his eyes
but didn't notice occluded retinas
think it may have been the occipital
nerves just giving way?

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@QMS

People need to use eye drops and it affects the optic nerve.

Coke bottle glasses might be he had cataracts removed before there were lens replacement like there is today.

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@snoopydawg
.
now that you mention it
glaucoma (whatever that is)
was a topic with him about
40 years ago which I didn't
understand at the time

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@QMS

becomes so high it damages the optic nerve. Usually the tubes where the fluid flows out stop working and the pressure builds up. The pressure kills the cells in the retina. It’s much easier to treat these days, but some causes are harder to treat and the damage continues to be done.
It’s called the silent vision killer because it affects the peripheral vision first and people just don’t notice it happening.
Checking the eye pressure and looking at the optic nerves is usually how it’s diagnosed.
Or severe eye pain and halos around lights is another.

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@soryang Thank you very much soryang!

Wow, what ahorror story! OMG. I understand it is rare to have an issue, and most rant and rave about it. It is that or go blind for me now. No choice.

I have Medicare Parts A nd B, and it pays for it. I hear 'Advantage" is for insurers, not insurees. Naked Capitalism has lots of blog posts about, being a rip-off.Who gifted the insurance companies that?

Mysdys asked if they said anything about outdoor time. As I have maybe ten times the average hominid and birders only wear sunglasses if they have to. I spent decades in the sun, reltively unprotected for the most part. The doc just said too many birthdays (69). I don't feel like I have had too many. Wink

I have friends that would say any change in my appearance would be an improvement! Smile

be well amigo!

thanks!

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@dystopian
outside my window feeding from our feeder. Lots of chickadees, scrub jays, birds I don't know, and crows all over the back yard. We've a small birdfeeder that the big jays hang upside down on to feed from.
Good thing I got it attached with strong wire.
Good luck with the cataract treatment. I don't think I'm too far behind with mine.

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@earthling1 Hi E1

Wow, your birds sound great! You probably have three species of Chickadee there? Chestnut backed, maybe Mountain, and maybe Black-capped. Get pics and post, I will ID if I can. We only need a few pixels. Wink

What hummers are that far north still? Rufous and ,maybe Anna's I would guess. Do they have any orange or rusty color? A lot of mildish places have them year round. Not me here though.

Thanks E1@

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@dystopian
Flitting about. Probably helps that E2 feeds them, including bread to the crows.
We definitely have the black capped and Chestnut colored chickadees. And the hummers have a rust colored back.
The hummers this far north (45°) could be harbinger of climate change.

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Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

@dystopian I did bitch about the grey print, and how shitty it is for me to read most anything on printed page nowadays. Books in re-print, not first edition. are a pain in the ass.
Dr. Mike Mann pioneered lasik and laser cataract surgery. I got it done by his associates. Dear One was lucky enough to get it done my Mann himself.
Most cataract surgery is routine. This is a bit more unique. Snoopydawg is damn educated on all things eye surgery.
I hope you get it done sooner rather than later.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@on the cusp Hi OtC,

Thanks! In Uvalde Co. things move at a glacial pace it seems. They map next week and within a month do one at least is I think the plan. Sounds like you guys had the aces do it! Way to go!

thanks again!

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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein

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@on the cusp

@dystopian

Tis true.

Snoopydawg is damn educated on all things eye surgery.

I had mine done in September. I went from barely able to count fingers in one eye to only seeing a hand waving in the other. I’m now 20/20 without glasses and I only need to use reading glasses for…reading.

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anything regarding the Houthi attack on two US warships, one of which was damaged enough to have to be towed out to
sea. This follows an attack on the USS Abraham Lincoln on Nov. 12th.
Cannot find any additional info.
The Red Sea has become a no-go zone for both Israeli bound commercial shipping and US/British warships.
Thanks for the OT.

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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

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@earthling1

Houthis hitting the Abraham and it’s on its way back to port.
I think Larry Johnson talked about it on the judges show. One military person said that they have a new weapon that hasn’t been seen before. Maybe Russia gave it to them?
Smile

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