Shaun King's Excellent Response To His Own Editorial Board

Submitted by LaFeminista on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 6:15am

Hammer met nail perfectly, he tore them a new one.

I like the start, it made me smirk

3. I have been given the freedom, from the day I joined this staff, to write whatever the hell I wanna write without censorship.

I really recommend reading the whole article

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election/king-disagree-news-endorsing-hi...

Near the end the real truth

Sanders is the longest-serving independent in the history of Congress. He energizes new voters who have a deep distrust of the system. They will not support establishment candidates, but will help propel him to victory in the general election.

It is the main reason why many are on this new blog.

We see how popular congress is; what is it about the party faithful that blinds them to the fact that the Democratic Party is partly/equally to blame for this unpopularity, it aint just the GOP ya know. When cockroaches are more popular than you are, then mission control we have a catastrophe.

I want more independents on both sides of the aisle because they will have to listen to their voters rather than be protected by the Party security blanket.

I want corporate lobbyists totally confused as to who will be in power next, although I would prefer they were driven out completely.

I want Citizens United overturned and not used as a source of new revenue as the Hillary has done. Giving private speeches to special interest groups should disqualify you automatically from holding public office. Openness not secrecy is the goal, publish your damn speeches without the need to be asked repeatedly.

I have read too much bluedog/neocon rhetoric over the last few months coming from people who claim to be progressives.

If you vote Hillary you aint no progressive, no how, no way.

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 7:07am

Just read it and Shaun King nails it!

The heart of the matter is in these few paragraphs. My bolding has been added.

In the end, I agree with one key point from our Editorial Board. They say, in their conclusion, that "Clinton's proposals are shaped for the world in which we live, not the world in which we might wish to live."

I agree. Voters in the 15 states Sanders has won, including seven states in a row, also agree.

Sanders is not a status quo candidate. He’s not proposing to moderately shift our nation an inch to the left here, or an inch to the right there as Clinton is doing.

This, perhaps more than any other statement, perfectly encapsulates the fundamental difference between the two candidates and perfectly explains the enormous gap in support with younger voters for Sanders over Clinton.

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Submitted by LaFeminista on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 7:13am

It was a very good reply

Submitted by MsGrin on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 9:40am

I suggest mentioning MCCUTCHEON along w/ Citizens United

It created the impetus for DNC to consort with Hillary Victory Fund and the state Dem parties which pre-selected Hillary last summer as their candidate and has the magnified the ability for corruption to blossom:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCutcheon_v._FEC

I trust all here have read the Counterpunch article which describes this: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-lo...

Sorry to thread-jump off-topic, I just think we ought to get this idea spread in order to make a difference and wanted to make sure readers here see this - we've all been ignorant of how the party has used/misused this decision until just now.

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

Submitted by Pluto's Republic on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 3:23pm

Thanks for that Counterpunch link, Ms Grin.

It's a very good case study. Political influenced was monetized in the US long ago. Influence is also packaged and resold. It's the one manufactured good that the Beltway produces. But this article really brought the Citizen's United version to life.

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Submitted by mimi on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 10:47am

oh, this highlighted quote causes associations

with one of the most detested member of the Bush cabinet... Really amazing they used it. Amazing how the Clinton story reveals itself. For the record: I wish to live in another world and I am old. I hope HRC gets this. She is not representing any person, who can think, no way.

Shaun King's article is a gift. Thanks to him.

Submitted by stevej on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 7:27am

King's writing has really matured

and that is not a backhanded compliment at all. I have always considered him essential reading since the early days of BLM.

Bonus points to SK for this:

I'm still miffed.

Miffed is a wonderful word.

Agree completely that Clinton and progressive, (or for that matter anything to the left of neolib/neocon) are mutually exclusive.

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Submitted by LaFeminista on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 7:30am

One of my favorite words

Submitted by fugwb on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 8:35am

So why would

the Daily endorse Hillary? Well that's easy.
Owner - Mort Zuckerman
Net Worth - 2.4 B
Birds of a feather - flock together...

Submitted by featheredsprite on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 8:23am

I shared

I shared this article on facebook and twitter.

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Submitted by MsGrin on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 10:29am

Me, too...

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

Submitted by DonMidwest on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 8:43am

Diary on DK on Shaun King's article

really enjoy DK with most of the REC list about the Bernie movement

the Hillary bots must be shitting in their pants about all the stuff that keeps on happening

I made some comments on OPOL's recent diary (One Pissed Off Liberal) and it looks like the diary is is some sort of limbo state. Not sure about it. It seems that no recent comments have been added and my comments were not recommended. I sent OPOL a kosmail about it. Or, maybe I am just paranoid, ... but as the NY primary comes along the oligarchs are getting worried

I went to my profile ( click on View/Edit My Profile, and and then on the line Comments are the options Replies Hidden) anc click Hidden

here is a great one

Go fuck yourself teacherken. Everyone on this site has gotten so petty and childish. I hope this comment gets me banned so I never have to return to the intellectually vacant cesspool this site has become.

another hidden pointed out that Obama was a war monger and has attacked the constitution

another is a new person who looks like a paid Hillary operative. They do zap some of these trolls

by the way, Bernie's appearance on The Daily Show last night was great. Hillary does not have an answer for this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89fMgRMH2zM

Submitted by LaFeminista on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 8:46am

Thanks for the link I'll watch it now

Submitted by DonMidwest on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 9:13am

I was being paranoid - now there are RECS to my comment

Sent email to OPOL and he RECed my comments

Usually there is so much activity that after I posted 4 comments at the end thought that there would be lots of action. Some of my most RECS come from comments on his diaries.

One of my comments was from article by Ray McGovern on how the intelligence community blocked Bush/Cheney's hoped for invasion of Iran. I did some checking and found that Hillary was for going to war with Iran because of nukes. That may have been the time when the Zionists were trying to block the agreement with Iran and Hillary was aligning self with Zionists.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/4/13/1514876/-We-peasants-love-Bern...

Submitted by mimi on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 11:07am

Wow, OPOLs photo essay over at TOP is breathtaking

the guy fights a good fight. Kudos to him. Beautifully done. I twittered it. Can't help otherwise. But it's very inspiring to me and gives me hope.

Submitted by Cali Scribe on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 11:59am

Most folks have forgotten

the Kyl-Lieberman Amendment. But I've used that as one of my big reasons for my concerns about Clinton and her foreign policy -- she voted for it in 2007 (as did one of my Senators, DiFi though thank goodness Boxer opposed it).

Here's the full list of Senators that voted against it:

Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Dodd (D-CT)
Feingold (D-WI)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Sanders (I-VT)
Tester (D-MT)
Webb (D-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)

(bolding mine)

Note: McCain and Obama did not vote; sounds like neither of them were there at the time.

Submitted by Mark from Queens on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 9:47am

Hey Don. Thanks for still fighting the good fight at TOP.

teacherken is fucking insufferable, a bore and has become kind of pathetic (couldn't find the comment you qouted).

I do get a kick out of blasting those Neoliberal cheerleader douchebags every chance I get. But moreover I think it's important that a few stalwarts stick around to try to even the score. Which is such a joke in and of itself, really, because had the place truly been a liberal progressive site to elect more and better Dems, instead of Corporate Lackey Dems Inc™, it would reflect an overwhelming majority positive, enthusiastic and committed support Bernie has there, which is a reflection of the populace (despite HRC cheerleaders reflexive response that she has more voters, which selectively doesn't count the caucuses).

So sick of these assholes. Makes me wanna fire up another diary like my last, which I actually published here first and intend to do more than not.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/04/11/1508109/-As-Another-Pissed-Off-...

Thanks as always for the rich resources of information you always come bearing!

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THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 9:58am

Your last one

was simply outstanding!

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Submitted by Mark from Queens on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 11:03am

Thanks gg98.

There's hardly anything more fulfilling in life than connecting with one's kindred spirits.

Really gratified it blew a hole through that stagnant fog over there, at least for a while.

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"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

Submitted by mimi on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 11:08am

yep, really, really good. /nt

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 2:20pm

I would add two more descriptions

passive/aggressive and self centered. I find it very interesting that someone who clamors for attention never can find the time to recommend anyone else's writing or comments. There were times when I regularly read his diaries and then I realized that he never bothered to engage with others at the site, not even in his own diaries.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Submitted by Damnit Janet on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 7:25pm

That was an AMAZING diary!

I was told about it (offline) and I went in and T&R it "over there" - It'll be my last time there. I strayed and looked around and it's just completely ... sad. I'd been there for over ten years.

Already, we've focused our energy to Bernie here. Son and myself went to a barnstorm in Oregon and signed up to help register peeps because here we have closed primaries.

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Submitted by MsGrin on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 10:35am

Did you mean the Nightly Show?

Your link's been scrapped, unfortunately - here's the one from Comedy Central

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

Submitted by MCUDemocracyFan on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 11:05am

That video was blocked

By Viacom.

Gee, I wonder why? /s

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Submitted by WindDancer13 on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 9:32am

Great article though

having HRC's picture pasted all over it is very annoying.

Politico has a particularly asinine article up from which you can find this quote:

In a 2015 update to the piece, Silver cited these basic rules to conclude that Biden made a wise decision not to enter. For one thing, all the best donors had been corralled by Hillary Clinton. For another, he couldn’t possibly match her organization for depth and skill. And finally, to be a proper white knight, you have to bring something to the campaign the other candidates aren’t bringing. Biden is nothing but Clinton with a jacket and tie over a pantsuit.

Why is the article asinine? It mentions all the current candidates EXCEPT Sanders in an article about a "white knight" who would would do something different.

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If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass

Submitted by MsGrin on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 10:41am

Politico apparently let's HRC's people write their press coverag

I don't often quote Gawker, but they have images from FOIA'd emails...

http://gawker.com/emails-top-clinton-aide-secretly-wrote-item-for-mike-a...

http://gawker.com/this-is-how-hillary-clinton-gets-the-coverage-she-want...

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 2:27pm

This is how

the Clintons control the message. It is more than a press release, it is a business transaction. More and more they remind me of organized crime. Thanks for sharing.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Submitted by Empower Ink on Fri, 04/15/2016 - 10:00pm

I don't know how to do links

I don't know how to do links properly, but I just got around today to reading Bob Herbert's 2001 column, Cut Him Loose

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/26/opinion/in-america-cut-him-loose.html

In which Herbert wrote:

The Clintons are a terminally unethical and vulgar couple, and they've betrayed everyone who has ever believed in them.

I think the Clintons have hijacked my Democratic party, and it literally makes me sick, viscerally and physically sick. I was just reading today about Bill's secret committee to privatize social security. I guess I was so busy fending off the ridiculous Repug attacks on Clinton, I was distracted from how those attacks were diverting attention away from all the damage he was really doing to the country, and the Clintons almost used that distraction to give away social security!

http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/10/30/how-monica-lewinsky-saved-social-...

My hair is on fire!

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Submitted by WindDancer13 on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 4:18pm

Thanks for the links.

I had seen the second one from somewhere else some time back, but had not see the first.

Meanwhile, the article used a 2009 quote of Clinton's (adversaries "should never see America's willingness to talk as a sign of weakness to be exploited.") It seems to me that she blasted Sanders for being weak because he proposed to talk to adversaries. Now I have to go find the reference. = )

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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass

Submitted by Cassiodorus on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 9:57am

As regards:

"I have read too much bluedog/neocon rhetoric over the last few months coming from people who claim to be progressives." So isn't it amusing that so many of them want to claim to be progressives!

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'French theory is a product of US cultural imperialism." -- Gabriel Rockhill

Submitted by MsGrin on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 10:42am

It's not the word they are following, just the popularity of it

Substitute 'progressive' for 'da bomb' and they wanted to be that back in the day, too...

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

Submitted by Cali Scribe on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 12:04pm

I finally unfollowed on Twitter

someone who was slamming Sanders and his supporters, but who claimed to be "progressive" in his Twitter profile. The disconnect got to be too much. I hope Clinton wins just to see the disconnect when she acts according to nature and screws the middle class or takes us into a war in the Middle East.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 1:45pm

Obama dropping bombs all over the

Middle East certainly hasn't upset many people on TOP. In fact a few posters respond to my comments about the increase us of drones " it is better then sending in ground troops"
Once upon a time, that site used to be against the useless tax draining wars in the Middle East, but once Obama was elected, it went silent.
To me that is the description of hubris.

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Voting is like driving with a toy steering wheel.

Submitted by Cassiodorus on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 8:38pm

Markos' March 1 declaration --

revealed in full the uselessness of that place. Humanism is just a talking point for those people.

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'French theory is a product of US cultural imperialism." -- Gabriel Rockhill

Submitted by KnotIookin on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 9:58am

It pisses me off to hear centrists claim to be progressives

Every time i see one do that on the gos I want to post the song love me I'm a liberal. But I did that once and got gang flagged.

Btw WTF are all those brand new posters on the gos? Seems they are everywhere and when I look at their bios it always says they joined within the last few weeks yet they don't comment like they are brand new members.

Is that place becoming a zombie blog with nothing but fake SNs ? If so it's no wonder so many of the long time members and great writers of substance have taken vacations from that place.

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Submitted by LaFeminista on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 10:58am

Sockpuppets and zombies

Submitted by MsGrin on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 11:02am

So it would seem...

Is that place becoming a zombie blog with nothing but fake SNs ?

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

Submitted by Cali Scribe on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 12:09pm

Probably why they never did anything

about the rash of spammers signing up for accounts -- it artificially inflates the participation numbers and left the door open for events such as this. Love Paul Hogarth (his Twitter account when he goes to SF Giants games is a hoot, though his nicknames for the players aren't necessarily family-friendly) but I suspect that his quest to find new writers was specifically to find new Clinton-friendly writers as per Kos directive.

Submitted by Scott Crowder on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 12:28pm

It's always been a CIA operation

And what you've just recently noticed has actually been going on since day one. In my first incarnation there as Pen, I used to investigate and point it out. That got me in a bunch of hot water that eventually led to my first banning.

When I returned years later, I dove straight back into pointing out things like people who post all day long and their posting habits. How they have to have been getting paid to do this for a living, etc. Again, I soon got banned, this time over my coining of the term "Flag Nazi's" which the CIA operatives were extremely upset about since it totally exposed their actions and would be a term that would have stuck.

Submitted by Lady Libertine on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 10:28am

great post by Shaun

Im actually not a huge fan of Shaun, he can be kinda hit and miss sometimes, but this one was outta the park good.

Submitted by LaFeminista on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 10:59am

Neither am I he often seems to get in a rut, well at least on

gos he did. That was more mature writing on his part and I do think he will end up a very good writer

Submitted by Cali Scribe on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 12:11pm

Might be an indication

that he needed a better editor at DK and has one at NYDN. A good editor can make a competent writer a great one.

Submitted by KnotIookin on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 1:01pm

I can't remember, is it Shaun or Deray who got blocked

From DOV twitter feed? A public pronouncement to that effect was posted last week... I guess it was because both of the. Have endorsed Bernie. Now it seems you are Blocked if you dare support Bernie while being a PoC over there.

Also, how long before we get banned there for what we post here? Lately I have begun. Seeing posts that list our anti HRC comments here with OUTRAGE toward those who dare speak ill anywhere.

Should I be making a new screen name here,so I am not banned there for what I say here (or anywhere). ?????? I am serious ...

Also is anyone else being twitter trolled by Phoenix woman? I have blocked her twice but she keeps evading the block.

GOS is beginning to feel like AOL felt at the end of its,life as the go to social media site.

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Submitted by lunachickie on Thu, 04/14/2016 - 8:43pm

Oh, please

I wanna see them ban people there for what they say here. They can't be that stupid. If they are, they'll have to crank out the sockpuppets four-fold from what they're cranking out now.

And there is no reason for you to change your name here. No. Just NO.

But yeah, AOL was cool once, too, right?