Open Thread - Thurs 1 Feb 2024 - Dogs: Part II - Wolves and Domestication

Dogs: Part II - Wolves and Domestication

A little over a month ago, I posted an OT which was about dogs and some aspects of their domestication. It was called 'Dogs, Dogs, Dogs - Wow' and was Part I of this short series.

Here's Part II. This post is about that same book (Dogs, Past and Present: An Interdisciplinary Perspective). This post covers a very tiny bit of section I of the book on dog genetics and more.


The Wolf's Family Portrait by Rodney L. Honeycutt from Wikipedia

Zoologists today agree that the dog is descended from the wolf. The dog is also humankind's first domesticated animal. Domestication is defined as evolution which was/is 'largely the result of artificial selection by people with natural selection playing a somewhat less important role.' (from the forward by Simon JM Davis to the book linked above). Domestication has given rise to the vast array of dog breeds and the myriad of ways dogs function in human society.

Chapter 1.1 of the book, by Carles Vilà and Jennifer A. Leonard, discusses the domestication of dogs from a molecular viewpoint. One of their basic conclusions is that the dog derived from the wolf about 27,000 years ago.

It's hard to differentiate the first domesticated dogs and wolves archaeologically, because the first changes during the domestication of the dog were probably in color, ear shape, etc and, of course, behavior. None of those things are preserved in the archaeological record until dogs are given careful burials and honored in other ways by humans. Also, it took time for the dogs' skeletons to change from that of the wolves', to grow smaller, with different sized teeth and so on, so the early domestication of dogs, and the date thereof, is not really certain. Still, dogs were the first domesticated animal, that much is certain, and that domestication was probably about 27,000 years ago, give or take a few thousand years.

The dog is related, of course, to the other canids, like the wolf, coyote, jackal, dhole, ethiopian wolf and so on. They all split, at different times, from the precursor, the wolf-like canid line. The line which gave rise to the dog, the gray wolf, the coyote, and the golden jackal split from other canids about 3-4 million years ago (see figure 1, page 9, in the book). It's interesting that these animals can interbreed and hybridize even now.

Several different lineages of wolves, at least 4, gave rise to dogs (figure 2, page 10). Because of this it is possible, indeed probable, that different groups of wolves were domesticated in different areas and times to become dogs. In other words, dogs arose multiple times (at least 4 times). Genetic sequence analysis shows that the first group of dogs which evolved from wolves did so long before finds of domestic dogs appear in the archaeological record.

Ohh, the coyote deviated from the wolf/dog line well before dogs did. The coyote is the closest related canid to wolves and dogs, and, of course as mentioned above, they can all interbreed. When my dog, Jaska, was young, perhaps a year or so old if that, a coyote ventured onto the farm during the day. The coyote and Jaska had been 'talking' to each other for weeks before that with barks, calls, howls, 'pee-mail' (as hubby and I call canid scent marking), and more. Jaska wasn't happy that the coyote was on the farm fields but she didn't seem to know if it was an enemy or not. The coyote didn't seem to know that about her, either. They met in the field (hubby and I watched this from afar), sniffed at each other, circled, then decided they didn't like each other. Coyote was bigger than Jaska, just a bit, and tried to overpower her. But by that time hubby and I were running into the field, shouting. Jaska saw us, got even braver and chased the coyote into the neighboring fields... which were full of cows. Boy, did that coyote fly into the air when the cows slammed into it with their heads! Coyote ran off, and Jaska has disliked coyotes since then.

Dogs were in the Americas when Europeans arrived. They almost certainly were already domesticated and came from Siberia with humans when humans first populated the Americas. Interestingly enough, the dogs that were present before Europeans arrived interbred with the European dogs and their genetics disappeared, at least in purebred dogs. Or perhaps canine diseases, which came with the European dogs, caused or helped cause this disappearance. Dogs were in Australia when the Europeans arrived as well.

Dogs can eat more carbs than wolves. This is another aspect, or maybe the original aspect, of their domestication. Perhaps wolf-like dogs, which had a slightly greater tolerance to carbs in their diet, were able to hang around with humans and eat human food. Certainly, they can now.

In conclusion, I'll mention that there's an anthropologist named David Ian Howe who is working on the dog-human connections (ethnocynology), and how dogs changed humans as well as how humans changed dogs, in the past and in the present. Here's his website, if interested!

Have a dogolicious Thursday and thanks for reading. Here's the open thread - and remember, everything is interesting if you dive deep enough, so tell us about where you're diving!

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Which is almost Friday! Which is good! Hope everyone's day is going as well as it can be. I will be visiting the tax accountant today, carrying a 2 inch stack of tax papers from my parent's records. Fun fun!

Hope you enjoyed the little bits about dogs, and post about whatever you are doing and learning and reading and whatever! We wanna 'hear' it! Smile

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Doggonit, I thought the doggies domesticated the humans?
Thanks for straightening me out.
Hope the accountant visit is not too taxing.
The fact that the fed and state tax my SS income
really burns me. The old double-tap tax at work.

Thanks for the OT!

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Native American dogs, or Pre-Columbian dogs, were dogs living with people indigenous to the Americas. Arriving about 10,000 years ago alongside Paleoindians, today they make up a fraction of dog breeds that range from the Alaskan Malamute to the Peruvian Hairless Dog.

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@QMS
Genetics show they are more closely related to European dogs than American wolves, so they came over with pre-Columbian humans, already domesticated. Some of these early, pre-Columbian, dog genomes disappeared after the European dog arrived after Columbus in the new world, probably through interbreeding, perhaps through diseases, etc. Kind of like how many pre-Columbians got wiped out by European diseases like influenza, smallpox and measles.

Love that painting of the dogs and natives!

As for taxes, taxing SS is NUTS. It's already been paid! Yes, it burns me up too. But, it's another spigot for funds for the latest military 'adventure' or whatever. Gag.

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While on a Mexican bus, they showed the movie Alpha. It was in Spanish, but was easy to understand without being fluent, there's not much dialogue. It is about the initial domestication of dogs. Kinda fun and helped pass the time on the bus. Spanish language version free on Youtube. You can rent it in English for $3-4

Might provide some entertainment while burning time in the tax office.

Hope the rain hasn't washed you away. Thanks for the OT.

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@Lookout @Lookout
Maybe the English version :).

The rain is trying but it hasn't washed us away yet. But boy, is everything soggy. Plants are budding out, so they are happy!

Hope all is well with you and the rain isn't drowning you out either!

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If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so

If you are going through a divorce or custody of a child litigation, do not post videos of yourself nude, semi-nude, pole dancing, or engaging in any intimate sexual acts on social media.
Although it should not be necessary to give such advice to people who are grandparents, society and our current culture has reached the point where I am giving such advice to people well into their 50s.
If the world went to the dogs, it would be a better world.
Did I just give myself away on what I am watching on Tik Tok today?
Thanks for the OT, sima!

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The video star of this morning raises dogs for a living.

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@on the cusp
Good grief. How silly can a person be? Why do people post nudes of themselves anyways, unless they make money at it? But then, I just don't understand that.

Me and hubby watch cooking videos, hiking videos, dog videos... and many travel vids. Hmmm, a nude video of a dog raiser? Errrp!

Have a great Friday and weekend! And hope you don't have to watch too many 'icky' videos.

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the internet.

I have owned multiple miniature dachshunds in the past but it sad to me that in general the live span of all dogs is much too brief.

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@humphrey
I know a lot of people adore sort nosed dogs, but... I don't. I think all dogs are cute, even those with pushed in noses, but that is definitely not my choice for a look in dogs. I love my long nosed Finnish Spitz! Love labs, love greyhounds, love dachshunds... Heh.

Thanks for the very interesting article!

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If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
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