@JtC

be well and have a good one.

I've been seeing, that old tired eyes thing again, a lot about donkeys lately here at c99. Here's my contribution:

This is applicable to donkeys, jackasses, and politicians alike. I use to love to post this video in the middle of pie fights at such web sites that promoted said pie fights. Wink, wink.

@wokkamile

I saw a few people talking about a film that scared him badly, but I forgot the name. But I searched for one that lots of people mentioned while discussing nuclear movies and the one that scared Reagan and it’s what I posted last night. Maybe there’s a way to search for it…

I’ve read One Second After a few times but it’s about what happens in a small town after an EMP went off. Neither scenarios are what I’d like to experience.

WW2 is just history to me and I’ve wondered what it’d be like to live in that era. I no longer need to wonder since I’m now living in the prelude to www 3. Can’t say that I’m enjoying it. Nope not enjoying it at all! I wonder if they had the internet back then would they have seen how they were manipulating the events to get it started? Why was the death of one duke so bad that the world had to fight over it? Yes I know that there was more to it, but what if people knew how we were supporting Hitler and getting him the equipment he needed to go to war? It’s what they are doing now with all the equipment being flooded into Ukraine and if anyone doesn’t believe that we have our own troops inside Ukraine they haven’t paid any attention to the histories of our previous wars. And my gosh the amount of propaganda around this war is off the charts. Of course it was why we got Russia Russia Russia for 5 years and they made Putin the new Hitler.

I’m embarrassed that so many Americans cannot see through how the PTB have manufactured consent to take on Russia whilst ignoring what their own damned country is doing in so many others. Putin bad for protecting his country and civilians in Ukraine, but no problem with us doing a genocide in Yemen and Syria and flat out stealing Syria’s oil and wheat! I don’t think the emoji for that has been invented yet.

unite together on what? One party is still, to a 70% extent, in thrall to the Divider-in-Chief, and both parties seem to agree only on keeping the Pentagon fat and happy and ratcheting up dangerous tensions with Russia and China. Just before that, on the other major recent issue, with a few notable R exceptions, both parties united wanting to coerce people into getting the dangerous jabs. Negotiation and compromise are not on the radar for one lockstep party, and both don't have diplomacy in mind to resolve Ukraine.

All that while the Fearless Leader of one party is on the verge of being indicted, maybe in GA maybe by the feds. 60% possibility of that happening in either case. 100% possibility that if that happens, the FL's fervent followers will go wild with rage, and many of them are heavily armed. Uphold the law, treat everyone equally and risk a civil war, or don't and risk further special treatment for the high and mighty in a supposed democracy. Very dicey times indeed.

Hard to reason with either side on many crucial issues, as on some matters reason has little to do with how they arrived at their positions. Reason therefore is of no avail. Btw, from an astronomical-astrological perspective, we are about to exit the current Age of Belief (Pisces), and enter the Age of Reason (Aquarius). My main reliable source notes this occurs Feb 2029, or about 6 yrs from now. Nothing magical will happen on that date (Feb 3, I am told), and it's more likely we will even see some uptick in the next decade or so in fanatical religious belief and all that entails, the usual dying death rattle as one age ends.

(re previous OT on Reagan watching a film that supposedly changed his views on nuclear war: No, it wasn't On the Beach but The Day After, a 1983 made for tv (ABC) movie by Nicholas Meyer. Received a very large viewership, ABC had an after-movie discussion on Nightline featuring a debate on nukes among libs and conservatives where Carl Sagan made public his theory about Nuclear Winter. Gorbachev arranged for the movie to be shown, uncensored, on Soviet tv and it was in that year of 1987 that the US and Soviets reached a major nuclear agreement.)

@snoopydawg was to honor Holocaust Day.

It was serious and respectful. Also accurate---unlike any coming from the USA.

Must be nice to have an adult leading your country.

I’m sure that most of you know about it, but here’s a detailed essay on it.

Inside Operation Paperclip, America’s Secret Program That Employed 1,600 Nazi Scientists In Its Labs

In the immediate wake of World War II, the Allies were widely venerated for their role in ending the reign of the Third Reich. But the Allied powers also made controversial decisions in secret that were kept classified for decades. Perhaps their most contentious action was the creation of Operation Paperclip, a covert intelligence project that brought over 1,600 Nazi scientists to the United States for research.

At the end of the war, the Allies scrambled to collect German intelligence and technology that may otherwise fall into the hands of the Soviet Union. As an impending Cold War threatened to destroy the hard-won peace, the United States granted a slew of Nazi scientists immunity for their war crimes so that they could work in their labs instead of in Russian ones.

Among the scientists that were recruited under Operation Paperclip was premier German rocket scientist Wernher von Braun, who also forced prisoners of the Buchenwald concentration camp to work on his rocket program. Many of them died from overwork or starvation, yet Braun would go on to become the director of NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center.

“When they were running low of good technicians, Wernher von Braun himself traveled nearby to the Buchenwald concentration camp, where he hand-picked slaves to work for him.” added Jacobsen.

“He is a great example, because you wonder where the deal with the devil really happened in terms of his whitewashed past,” said Jacobsen. “The U.S. government, NASA in particular, was so complicit in keeping his past hidden.”

To Jacobsen’s point, Wernher von Braun was nearly awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom during the Ford administration. Only the objections of a senior advisor made Ford reconsider.

Many of the German researchers whose Holocaust-related atrocities were simply expunged by the JIOA later went on to work on MK Ultra, a top-secret program backed by the CIA whose main objective was to generate a mind-control drug to use against the Russians.

Apologists for Operation Paperclip might claim that the JIOA only sought to bring over benign scientists but this is demonstrably false. In 2005, the Interagency Working Group established by Bill Clinton determined in its final report to Congress that “the notion that they [the U.S. military and the CIA] employed only a few ‘bad apples’ will not stand up to the new documentation.”

Seems that all government programs designed to be used against its enemies always find a way to be used against we the people. Lots of American companies used people at the detention camps for slave labor and suffered no ill effects from it. Prescott Bush funneled lots of money to Hitler as did others, but not one person went to prison for it. They then planned on overthrowing Roosevelt and again they walked.

I’m surprised that the FBI agent that got caught working for the Russian oligarch was even charged for it. Hunter Biden got $3 million from a Russian mayor and he’s still walking free and let’s not forget his influence peddling and money laundering for Burisma….and lots of other nefarious things.

@snoopydawg do that too, maybe devote 15-20 minutes of a UN speech to that fascinating subject of war and postwar US-Nazi collusion. A UN appearance might enhance his chances of breaking through our western media, which strongly tends to exclude his actual and true words from its reporting, but that's just a slender hope. To the extent it would be reported, the western media would downplay it or focus on the things said in the other 40 minutes of his speech, or massage the message with carefully chosen words to re-interpret his words to make him seem a master of distortion and liar and then after that turn the tables and launch into the various atrocities of the Soviets in WW2 and thereafter.

However they would do it, there would be a whitewash of the truth, much as TPTB successfully whitewashed von Braun's past.

Btw, if memory serves, I only heard of Op Paperclip around the mid-80s, some 40 yrs after the fact, and only from browsing in a bookstore and finding a recently published book on that topic -- Trading with the Enemy is the title I recall. Might have been one other book from that time too that I recall as breaking the story to the public.

I’m sure that most of you know about it, but here’s a detailed essay on it.

Inside Operation Paperclip, America’s Secret Program That Employed 1,600 Nazi Scientists In Its Labs

In the immediate wake of World War II, the Allies were widely venerated for their role in ending the reign of the Third Reich. But the Allied powers also made controversial decisions in secret that were kept classified for decades. Perhaps their most contentious action was the creation of Operation Paperclip, a covert intelligence project that brought over 1,600 Nazi scientists to the United States for research.

At the end of the war, the Allies scrambled to collect German intelligence and technology that may otherwise fall into the hands of the Soviet Union. As an impending Cold War threatened to destroy the hard-won peace, the United States granted a slew of Nazi scientists immunity for their war crimes so that they could work in their labs instead of in Russian ones.

Among the scientists that were recruited under Operation Paperclip was premier German rocket scientist Wernher von Braun, who also forced prisoners of the Buchenwald concentration camp to work on his rocket program. Many of them died from overwork or starvation, yet Braun would go on to become the director of NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center.

“When they were running low of good technicians, Wernher von Braun himself traveled nearby to the Buchenwald concentration camp, where he hand-picked slaves to work for him.” added Jacobsen.

“He is a great example, because you wonder where the deal with the devil really happened in terms of his whitewashed past,” said Jacobsen. “The U.S. government, NASA in particular, was so complicit in keeping his past hidden.”

To Jacobsen’s point, Wernher von Braun was nearly awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom during the Ford administration. Only the objections of a senior advisor made Ford reconsider.

Many of the German researchers whose Holocaust-related atrocities were simply expunged by the JIOA later went on to work on MK Ultra, a top-secret program backed by the CIA whose main objective was to generate a mind-control drug to use against the Russians.

Apologists for Operation Paperclip might claim that the JIOA only sought to bring over benign scientists but this is demonstrably false. In 2005, the Interagency Working Group established by Bill Clinton determined in its final report to Congress that “the notion that they [the U.S. military and the CIA] employed only a few ‘bad apples’ will not stand up to the new documentation.”

Seems that all government programs designed to be used against its enemies always find a way to be used against we the people. Lots of American companies used people at the detention camps for slave labor and suffered no ill effects from it. Prescott Bush funneled lots of money to Hitler as did others, but not one person went to prison for it. They then planned on overthrowing Roosevelt and again they walked.

I’m surprised that the FBI agent that got caught working for the Russian oligarch was even charged for it. Hunter Biden got $3 million from a Russian mayor and he’s still walking free and let’s not forget his influence peddling and money laundering for Burisma….and lots of other nefarious things.