Russia, Ukraine, the UN and NATO
(Some recent developments; I dunno what all’s been covered here..)
Earlier via tass news, and this fukkery may have been just bridge too far):
MOSCOW, February 23. /TASS/. UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres made several statements on the situation in eastern Ukraine that are not compatible with his status, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said, opening talks with UN Special Envoy for Syria Geir Pedersen on Wednesday.
"To our great regret, the UN Secretary General whom you are representing turned out to be susceptible to pressure by the West and recently made several statements incompatible with his status and his authority under the UN Charter," he said.
The Russian top diplomat noted that Moscow conveyed to Guterres its assessment of his statements. According to Lavrov, the UN Secretary General has never expressed support for the necessity to implement the Minsk Accords and the UN Security Council resolution on the same matter.
"With regards to the situation in Ukraine, the [UN] secretary general has not raised his voice even once to support the necessity of complying with the requirements of the Minsk Package of Measures and Resolution 2202 of the [UN] Security Council which directly demand to resolve all issues by coordination between Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk. Nobody mentioned this in the West. And, unfortunately, the secretary general followed this sad example," the Russian foreign minister said.
Earlier, UN secretary general Antonio Guterres made a number of statements with regards to the situation in eastern Ukraine, criticizing the recognition of the DPR and LPR by Russia as well as asserting that he wouldn’t consider Russian servicemen in Donbass as peacekeepers.
From the Peoples Dispatch, Feb. 22, ‘What are the Minsk agreements and what are their role in the Russia-Ukraine crisis?
Under pressure from ultra-nationalists and Russophobes, successive governments in Ukraine have failed to address the grievances of the Russian speaking majority in the Donbass region. Ukraine has also not implemented the provisions of the Minsk agreement signed in 2015 to end the conflict in the region
by Abdul Rahman
‘War in Ukraine started 8 years ago, Russia is now ending it, Moscow claims
Russia’s Foreign Ministry says it wants to end the 8-year bloodbath in Donbass that both Ukraine and the West turned a blind eye to’, Feb. 24, 2022
“The West spent eight years ignoring the “sea of blood” in Donbass while arming Ukraine, and now claims Moscow is the aggressor when it stepped in to end the conflict, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova told RT on Thursday.
Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a military operation in Ukraine in the early hours of Thursday, claiming it was necessary to “demilitarize and de-nazify” the neighbor. Kiev accused Russia of aggression, while the US, EU and NATO have called it an “unprovoked” invasion. Moscow insists this is not the case.
In announcing the operation, Putin said the “main objective is to stop the escalation of the war that’s been going on for eight years, and to stop the war,” Zakharova told RT in an exclusive interview.
“Russia did not commit aggression of any kind,” Zakharova insisted. “This did not start yesterday. There’s a sea of blood that’s appeared over the past 8 years,” she added, referring to the conflict in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, which Russia on Monday recognized as independent states.
(The EU had leveled sanctions against her on the 23rd):
Maria Zakharova, the director of the Russian foreign ministry's Information and Press Department, was placed on the sanctions list due to her being deemed "the central figure of state propaganda." The EU also accuses her of "promoting the deployment of Russian troops in Ukraine."
I'd have hoped it might not come too this, but he makes his case well:
Putin Authorises Special Military Operation in Donbass, Vows Immediate Response to External Threats, sputnik news
Russian President Vladimir Putin has addressed the nation early Thursday, directing Russian forces to conduct a special operation in the Donbass region to protect people who have been facing genocide perpetrated by the Kiev regime for eight years now.
Read the full text of his speech:Dear citizens of Russia, friends,
I consider it necessary today to speak again about the tragic events in Donbass and the key aspects of ensuring the security of Russia.
I will begin with what I said in my address on February 21, 2022. I spoke about our biggest concerns and worries, and about the fundamental threats which irresponsible Western politicians created for Russia consistently, rudely and unceremoniously from year to year. I am referring to the eastward expansion of NATO, which is moving its military infrastructure ever closer to the Russian border.It is a fact that over the past 30 years we have been patiently trying to come to an agreement with the leading NATO countries regarding the principles of equal and indivisible security in Europe.
In response to our proposals, we invariably faced either cynical deception and lies or attempts at pressure and blackmail, while the North Atlantic alliance continued to expand despite our protests and concerns. Its military machine is moving and, as I said, is approaching our very border.
Why is this happening? Where did this insolent manner of talking down from the height of their exceptionalism, infallibility and all-permissiveness come from? What is the explanation for this contemptuous and disdainful attitude to our interests and absolutely legitimate demands.
The answer is simple. Everything is clear and obvious. In the late 1980s, the Soviet Union grew weaker and subsequently broke apart. That experience should serve as a good lesson for us, because it has shown us that the paralysis of power and will is the first step towards complete degradation and oblivion. We lost confidence for only one moment, but it was enough to disrupt the balance of forces in the world.
As a result, the old treaties and agreements are no longer effective. Entreaties and requests do not help. Anything that does not suit the dominant state, the powers that be, is denounced as archaic, obsolete and useless. At the same time, everything it regards as useful is presented as the ultimate truth and forced on others regardless of the cost, abusively and by any means available. Those who refuse to comply are subjected to strong-arm tactics.
Of course, practice, international relations and the rules regulating them had to take into account the changes that took place in the world and in the balance of forces. However, this should have been done professionally, smoothly, patiently, and with due regard and respect for the interests of all states and one’s own responsibility. Instead, we saw a state of euphoria created by the feeling of absolute superiority, a kind of modern absolutism, coupled with the low cultural standards and arrogance of those who formulated and pushed through decisions that suited only themselves. The situation took a different turn.
There are many examples of this. First a bloody military operation was waged against Belgrade, without the UN Security Council’s sanction but with combat aircraft and missiles used in the heart of Europe. The bombing of peaceful cities and vital infrastructure went on for several weeks. I have to recall these facts, because some Western colleagues prefer to forget them, and when we mentioned the event, they prefer to avoid speaking about international law, instead emphasising the circumstances which they interpret as they think necessary.
Then came the turn of Iraq, Libya and Syria. The illegal use of military power against Libya and the distortion of all the UN Security Council decisions on Libya ruined the state, created a huge seat of international terrorism, and pushed the country towards a humanitarian catastrophe, into the vortex of a civil war, which has continued there for years. The tragedy, which was created for hundreds of thousands and even millions of people not only in Libya but in the whole region, has led to a large-scale exodus from the Middle East and North Africa to Europe.
A similar fate was also prepared for Syria. The combat operations conducted by the Western coalition in that country without the Syrian government’s approval or UN Security Council’s sanction can only be defined as aggression and intervention.
But the example that stands apart from the above events is, of course, the invasion of Iraq without any legal grounds. They used the pretext of allegedly reliable information available in the United States about the presence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. To prove that allegation, the US Secretary of State held up a vial with white power, publicly, for the whole world to see, assuring the international community that it was a chemical warfare agent created in Iraq. It later turned out that all of that was a fake and a sham, and that Iraq did not have any chemical weapons. Incredible and shocking but true. We witnessed lies made at the highest state level and voiced from the high UN rostrum. As a result we see a tremendous loss in human life, damage, destruction, and a colossal upsurge of terrorism.
Overall, it appears that nearly everywhere, in many regions of the world where the United States brought its law and order, this created bloody, non-healing wounds and the curse of international terrorism and extremism. I have only mentioned the most glaring but far from only examples of disregard for international law.This array includes promises not to expand NATO eastwards even by an inch. To reiterate: they have deceived us, or, to put it simply, they have played us. Sure, one often hears that politics is a dirty business. It could be, but it shouldn’t be as dirty as it is now, not to such an extent. This type of con-artist behaviour is contrary not only to the principles of international relations but also and above all to the generally accepted norms of morality and ethics. Where is justice and truth here? Just lies and hypocrisy all around.
Incidentally, US politicians, political scientists and journalists write and say that a veritable "empire of lies" has been created inside the United States in recent years. It is hard to disagree with this – it is really so. But one should not be modest about it: the United States is still a great country and a system-forming power. All its satellites not only humbly and obediently say yes to and parrot it at the slightest pretext but also imitate its behaviour and enthusiastically accept the rules it is offering them. Therefore, one can say with good reason and confidence that the whole so-called Western bloc formed by the United States in its own image and likeness is, in its entirety, the very same "empire of lies".
As for our country, after the disintegration of the USSR, given the entire unprecedented openness of the new, modern Russia, its readiness to work honestly with the United States and other Western partners, and its practically unilateral disarmament, they immediately tried to put the final squeeze on us, finish us off, and utterly destroy us. This is how it was in the 1990s and the early 2000s, when the so-called collective West was actively supporting separatism and gangs of mercenaries in southern Russia. What victims, what losses we had to sustain and what trials we had to go through at that time before we broke the back of international terrorism in the Caucasus! We remember this and will never forget.
Properly speaking, the attempts to use us in their own interests never ceased until quite recently: they sought to destroy our traditional values and force on us their false values that would erode us, our people from within, the attitudes they have been aggressively imposing on their countries, attitudes that are directly leading to degradation and degeneration, because they are contrary to human nature. This is not going to happen. No one has ever succeeded in doing this, nor will they succeed now.
Despite all that, in December 2021, we made yet another attempt to reach agreement with the United States and its allies on the principles of European security and NATO’s non-expansion. Our efforts were in vain. The United States has not changed its position. It does not believe it necessary to agree with Russia on a matter that is critical for us. The United States is pursuing its own objectives, while neglecting our interests.
(The longish rest is here)
Comments
The Putin address
may be longish compared to the tripe we hear from our congress critters, but his remarks absolutely make Biden look like the child he is mentally.
There is no starker contrast to the differences of our leaders.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
it was well-written, coherent,
and all true as far as i know.
thanks for reading and commenting, pricknik.
I'm sorry, but...you call THAT a news source???
Let me show you the real thing!:
https://www.theonion.com/u-s-imposes-single-painful-economic-sanction-on...
https://www.theonion.com/u-s-shocked-russia-would-invade-another-country...
https://www.theonion.com/world-leaders-vow-regular-people-just-trying-to...
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
fantastic source!
lol x 3!
Regardless of how it all goes down
we've woken today to a brave new world in which the american
empire has been stood up to.
And that's a good thing
Jimmy and Max have a nice chat about the history of the Ukraine
conflict
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm8QfxZ3HHw]
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
given tht your video
has gotten so many thumbs, it seems many were able to watch...and approve. videos and podcasts are bad for my health, so i'll just try to imagine the conversation. i'll readily admit, though, i am not a an of dore's. ; )
wendy,
thank you for posting so much of Putin's address today. I didn't think it could compare with his previous speech, but both are crucial.
This part gets to a big issue for me when it comes to any arguments I may find myself in, trying to express why I believe the Russian point of view and not my own government's. I am ready to proclaim that anyone who arms Nazis has lost credibility. But as Putin points out here, my government is also just an admitted bunch of jackass liars. We lie, we cheat, we steal, and we kill.
We're Number One!
yes: down to the nitty-gritty,
as we used to say. thank you for caring and commenting so pithily, linda wood.
Wooot! it's rachel madcow!
MSNBC 7 hrs ago:
'Putin crosses line with overt nuclear threat', 8 min. video! and 've only watched 4 min so far, but it's Delectable, Delightful, and Delovely.
from tass news this a.m.,
Putin tells Xi Russia ready for high-level talks with Kiev;
feb 5
from sputnik news:
Russian MoD: Large Amount of Weapons Supplied by West to Ukraine Has Been Seized’, 6 hours ago
let's hear from #Zakharova:
Some interesting possibilities about “infrastructure” targets
Link to further speculation, discussion and map overlays of Bio Lab locations and areas attacked.
FWIW, I know nothing about reliability of @WarClandestine or Daily Expose but found the speculation interesting and having at least some plausibility given our documented “gain of function” efforts in Wuhan. What exactly ARE we doing in these other labs that happen to abut our
enemiescompetitors?“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024
Twitter was abuzz with that yesterday
People were showing maps where the bio labs were in Ukraine. I don’t know what to make of it so I just filed it away. But now it’s getting more traction.
Just read how companies don’t want their ships in the war zone and they are raising insurance rates for those who transport oil. Oh what a tangled web they are weaving. Guess who will get hit with those prices? Damn the elite!
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
The bio labs are not a secret, read the US Embassy website
But he points out that people still have water, electricity,and the internet (obviously), phones also working.
All of which the Russians could've shut down in the first hour, this obviously ain't your usual 'invasion'. I think that says a lot about the Russian's approach and if roles were changed around with the US being the 'invader' it would've already gone full 'Aleppo' on the whole place.
The Biological Threat Reduction Program
"In Ukraine, the program’s aim is to consolidate and secure pathogens and toxins of security concerns and provide support to the nation in detecting and reporting outbreaks caused by dangerous pathogens before they “pose any stability or security risks.”
In 2019, BTRP established two laboratories for the Consumer Protection Service of Ukraine with Biosafety Level 2 in Kyiv and Odesa. Both regions are under Russia’s attack. The US not only provides support for laboratory establishment but has also been funding research projects in Ukraine where the Ukrainian and American scientists work together..."
More from the article:
"Russia has accused the US of developing bio-weapons at its borders, at Ukraine and Georgia
On several occasions, Russia has accused the US and Ukraine of developing bio-weapons close to its borders. In 2021, while talking about the inability of the World Health Organisation to establish the origin of the Covid-19 virus, Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev told Kommersant reporter that Russia believed the US was developing bio-weapons near its borders.
He said, “you pay attention to the fact that in the world, more and more new biological laboratories under the control of the United States are growing by leaps and bounds. Moreover, by a strange coincidence – mainly at the Russian and Chinese borders.” He added that the US claims they work with local scientists to develop ways to fight dangerous pathogens but what happens inside those walls was unknown.
https://www.opindia.com/2022/02/russia-ukraine-invasion-bioweapons-labs-...
The Duran https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H6vffCdQpk
As far as the internet is concerned this is happening.
Don't know the cause or how long it will last.
Thanks for the info!
I just found this thread but haven’t read the article yet.
I followed lots of links last year on our bio labs and where they were and what they were playing with. It’s beyond ridiculous how many ways the elite class is fcking around with things that can harm everyone including them.
That’s good news about utilities still being on. Putin has said that he doesn’t want war on Ukraine because many of them are family. He wasn’t going to destroy the country, but the military and equipment and the Nazis. Look at what we did to Fallujah and other countries we’ve warred on. The birth defects from Iraq should have some of our government in The Hague!
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
a fascinating theory.
loads more on the bio labs below; i'll try to read them all. i wasn't able to see the map well cuz my left eye sees double a lot of the time. rachel madcow with 4 nostrils and one and a half bitter scowls is a sight...not to behold.
thanks. hmmmm...
If only!
Where is the world’s outrage over this? And where’s it been for all our other military adventures that have killed millions and displaced millions more? Putin mentioned that hypocrisy in his speech. If you want to read it try here. Good luck getting the site to load tho.
See the hypocrisy?
I’m hearing about all the damage Russia is doing in Ukraine, but there wasn’t a peep when Obama destroyed a hospital in Afghanistan or any of the thousands of people who we slaughtered with our drones.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
gremlins ate my comment.
it was close to: 4 now: also remember that the USA sells (gives?) billions worth of weapons of war to the sauds. sunni muslims god shia muslims evil
the speech? not the one i'd pasted in a third in the OP? anyhow, it was at sputnik news.
as i'd said, i hadn't known was was already here at c99, but as far as i could tell, neither as was the one featurig FM lavrov's disgust at the UN sec. general gutierrez.
Nailed it, Aaron!
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Adam Kinzinger seems to forgotten or likely did not know.
Two could play that game you dolt!
That the Russian have S-400s in Russia including Crimea and also in Belarus. Two could play that game you dolt!
Adam Schiff is up to his eyebrows in corruption in Ukraine
Great idea you $*@%!
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
It has already started on a small scale.
They sure don't sound or look like Nazis
No nazi emblems? What's wrong with them?
I really hope there is no street fighting. That will be devastating to Ukrainians and Russians alike. The destruction of the beautiful city of Kiev. Body bags going back to Russia galore.
The Russians have superior firepower so they will probably "win" for now.
But as you've noted, there will be a guerilla insurgency directed and funded by the US -- and more Ukrainians killed and more body bags going back to Russia. Afghanistan Redux:
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2022-02-25/coming-ukrain...
https://news.yahoo.com/cia-trained-ukrainian-paramilitaries-may-take-cen...
It's time for a mutually agreed upon ceasefire so cooler heads might prevail.
STOP THE MILITARY MADNESS NOW!
[video:https://youtu.be/JUnFDpWbYF8]
just one example:
right sector fire-bombed the trade unions building in odessa. note the SS ignsignia. i've been following actions against folks in the donbass for years. over 30,0000 murdered.
my media files have loads of past examples, azov batallions, the banderists marching with torches, etc.
'eva bartlett commits journalism in the donbass, ukraine' wd, 10/16'2019
CC w/attribution:
oh, and there's the odessa massacre, too.
The govt.gave instructions on how to make Molotov Coctails
very young or very old.
Stories are coming out about Civilians firing at each other and innocent civilians shot on the spot due to the suspicion they were Russian. You can bet there are a lot of personal scores being settled, especially considering there are no police.
Welcome to the new wild west, but a lot of people agree that it's all about Civilians firing on Russian soldiers and what will happen is news reports around the world broadcasting 24/7 the images of Civilians "being murdered by Russian soldiers". Probably some personal stories about their lives and dreams, described in a pure Hollywood style.
When really these people are nothing more to the US/UK and it's Vassals, than promotional material for more war, and just more''cannon fodder'
Hopefully for many in the Ukraine that this is how it plays out.
OTOH the US, NATO or the Right Sector would likely snuff Zelensky.
explain this, please?
I'm sure it's spelled Right Sektor, they're just like the Azov
Good grief..no wonder history repeats itself over and….
Might want to ask George Takei how he feels about that.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
put them in concentration camps!
(as the USA did with the japanese...) speaking of which, i think george takei is japanese, do you mean the russian officer chekov on STNG?
No I meant George
Because as you said he was put in camps but now he’s saying that we must stand behind the president. I asked him how that worked out for him way back then. He’s who has forgotten history.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
ooof; i hadn't heard that.
thanks for the 911.
The anti Russia propaganda Wurlitzer is in full force.
So true!
from business insider
Leaked document shows Russia is preparing for 'a massive medical emergency' of Ukraine war casualties, business insider, 3 hrs ago
Rt is definitely under another
DDOS attack, it's nato/biden's 'anonymous' claiming responsibility.
from sputnik news: Kremlin: Russia Paused Military Op for Talks, but Ukraine Rejected Negotiations, 4 hours ago
Washington said zelenskiy could be brought there, given he believes that putin will target him primarily. ; ) when i was able to get into RT briefly, iirc there was a title saying Z'sin Lvov (?)
not the onion,
not the kyiv post, but who'd have thunk?
from wsws, this op-ed: Oppose the Putin government’s invasion of Ukraine and US-NATO warmongering! For the unity of Russian and Ukrainian workers!, feb. 24
and from jens: