The Dose - 11-27-2021

Submitted by studentofearth on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 5:00am

Looks like we are back back in the circle of disease control.

Prevent initial infection in community or individual.
After infection minimize ability to spread to rest of community or body.
As infection spreads minimize symptoms of community or body.
Minimize complications due to community or body responses to treatments and preventive measures.
Treat or adjust to longterm complications of Covid infection or treatments to community or body.
Repeat cycle.

A few articles of interest.

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What we know so far about Omicron
New South African Covid-19 variant has very different genetic profile than previous strains and may be immune to current vaccines

Whether B.1.1.529 will be classified as a variant of interest or of concern, like beta and delta, has not been decided by the World Health Organization yet.

We do not know for sure. It certainly seems to be more than just the result of concerted efforts to monitor the circulating virus. One theory is that people with highly compromised immune systems, and who experience prolonged active infection because they cannot clear the virus, may be the source of new viral variants.

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Fauci as Darth Vader of the Covid wars
A rollicking review of RF Kennedy Jr's The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health by Pepe Escobar
(Note: article now appears to be behind the paywall. Many of his articles are reprinted at ZeroHedge and The Saker within a few days. Hopefully this one follows the same pattern.)

RFK Jr, chairman of the board of and chief legal counsel for Children’s Health Defense, sets out to deconstruct a New Normal, encroaching upon all of us since early 2020. In my early 2021 book Raging Twenties I have termed this force techno-feudalism. Kennedy describes it as “rising totalitarianism,” complete with “mass propaganda and censorship, the orchestrated promotion of terror, the manipulation of science, the suppression of debate, the vilification of dissent and use of force to prevent protest.”

Focusing on Dr Anthony Fauci as the fulcrum of the biggest story of the 21st century allows RFK Jr to paint a complex canvas of planned militarization and, especially, monetization of medicine, a toxic process managed by Big Pharma, Big Tech and the military/intel complex – and dutifully promoted by mainstream media.

Kennedy’s verdict is stark: “Tony Fauci does not do public health; he is a businessman, who has used his office to enrich his pharmaceutical partners and expand the reach of influence that has made him the most powerful – and despotic – doctor in human history.” This is a very serious accusation. It’s up to readers to examine the facts of the case and decide whether Fauci is some kind of medical Dr Strangelove.

Discusses lack of promoting or acknowledging treatments, by US Government agencies, to prevent or minimize infection severity.

No Vitamin D?

Pride of place goes to the Fauci-privileged modeling that overestimated Covid deaths by 525%, cooked up by fabricator Neil Ferguson of the Imperial College in London and duly funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. This is the model, later debunked, that justified lockdown hysteria all across the planet. ...
Clinical cardiologist Peter McCullough and his team of frontline doctors tested prophylactic protocols using, for instance, ivermectin – “we had terrific data from medical teams in Bangladesh” – and added other medications such as azithromycin, zinc, Vitamin D and IV Vitamin C. And all this while across Asia there was widespread use of saline nasal lavages.

By July 1, 2020, McCullough and his team submitted their first, ground-breaking protocol to the American Journal of Medicine, which was widely downloaded.

McCullough complained last year that Fauci had never, to date, published anything on how to treat a Covid patient. He additionally alleged without corroborating evidence: “Anyone who tries to publish a new treatment protocol will find themselves airtight blocked by the journals that are all under Fauci’s control.”

I have received more notification from the Board of Pharmacy on Covid treatments and "nontreatments" than any other health condition in my career.

How to kill the competition
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The book also addresses Lancetgate – when the world’s top two scientific journals, The Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine – published fraudulent studies from a nonexistent database owned by a previously unknown company.

Only a few weeks later both journals – deeply embarrassed and with their hard-earned credibility challenged – withdrew the studies. There was never any explanation as to why they got involved in what could be interpreted as one of the most serious frauds in the history of scientific publishing.

But it all served a purpose. For Big Pharma, says Kennedy, killing HCQ and, later, Ivermectin (IVM) were top priorities.
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The final summary of Pfizer’s clinical trial data will raise countless eyebrows. Peter McCullough: “Because the clinical trial showed that vaccines reduce absolute risk less than 1%, those vaccines can’t possibly influence epidemic curves. It’s mathematically impossible.”

Highlight interconnection of nonprofit foundations, Governing bodies and profit opportunities.

The Gates matrix
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The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation – “a nonprofit, fighting poverty, disease and inequity around the world” – invests in multinational pharma, food, agriculture, energy, telecom and global tech companies. It exercises considerable de facto control over international health and agricultural agencies as well as mainstream media – as the Columbia Journalism Review showed in August 2020.

Gates, without a graduate degree, not to mention medical school degree (like author Kennedy, it must be noted, whose training was as a lawyer), dispenses wisdom around the world as a health expert.
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Dr Vandana Shiva, among India’s leading human rights activists (routinely accused of being merely anti-vax), sums up: “Gates has hijacked the WHO and transformed it into an instrument of personal power that he wields for the cynical purpose of increasing pharmaceutical profits. He has single-handedly destroyed the infrastructure of public health globally. He has privatized our health systems and our food systems to serve his own purposes.”

Practice makes perfect.

Gaming pandemics

The book’s Chapter 12, “Germ Games,” may arguably be its most explosive, as it focuses on the US bioweapons and biosecurity apparatus, with a special mention of Robert Kadlec, who might claim leadership of the – contagious – logic according to which infectious disease poses a national security threat to the US, thus requiring a militarized response.

The book argues that Kadlec, closely linked to spy agencies, Big Pharma, the Pentagon and assorted military contractors, is also linked to Fauci investments in “gain of function” experiments capable of engineering pandemic superbugs.
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RFK Jr dutifully connects the Germ Games progress, starting with Dark Winter in 2001, which emphasized the Pentagon’s drive towards bioweapon vaccines (the code name was coined by Kadlec); the anthrax attack three weeks after 9/11; Atlantic Storm in 2003 and 2005, focused on the response to a terrorist attack unleashing smallpox; Global Mercury 2003; and Lockstep in 2010, which developed a scenario funded by the Rockefeller Foundation where we find this pearl: (note 54 page PDF)

Intelligence services keep showing up in the Covid story.

Big Pharma kisses Western intel
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The war game was supposedly held in secret, nationwide. In the After-Action Crimson Contagion Report (76 page pdf), which only came out via a FOIA request, however, the list of participating organizations goes on and on for pages, including Indian tribes and county governments. It is impossible to determine from his organization’s simple involvement that this was a Fauci project.
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The book’s “Germ Games” chapter leads the reader to acknowledge what mainstream media have simply refused to report: how the pervasive involvement of US (and UK) intel has a secretive – yet dominating – presence in the whole response to Covid-19.

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Submitted by Dawn's Meta on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 6:10am

Thanks for all of this. We have had our order for the RFK

book since early release. Amazon said sold out and would we like our money back. Hah. No.

I'm not sure from the various partial reviews we are getting here, whether I have the stomach for reading it myself. It's not abstract unfortunately.

If anyone has the direct link to the FLCCC for the last two weeks? All I get from the last week is an endless video loop from a woman who had jaw surgery and developed COVID then recovered. Nothing yet for this week.

Chris Martenson has episode 36 up, so I think that's the latest from him. Any other podcast of note or most recent?

It will be interesting to see if the FLCCC protocols have an effect on the (omicron) variant. From the John Campbell video about the protease inhibitors, Ivermectin seems a strong candidate for making sure the protein strands stay too long for the ACE 2 receptor sites.

Thanks to everyone posting in these Covid columns.

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Submitted by Lookout on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 9:16am

chris' newest clip below

@Dawn's Meta

in my comment.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 9:51am

How about on kindle?

@Dawn's Meta

What I like about it being on kindle is that the links work from it and I can read more on what was said. Can’t beat the price either. $3.0 plus change.

I have to take breaks because it’s maddening to see how much harm Fauci has been allowed to do and we the people are paying for it in so many ways. No one person should have as much power as he does. Plus when he finally got told to do something he still didn’t and now we are paying for it again. Lots of people who are dead shouldn’t be. But in this epidemic he’s not acting alone.

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Submitted by Blue Republic on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 7:26am

Cardiologists starting to

Cardiologists starting to come out of the woodwork and warn on mRNA cardiovascular risks.

This British cardiologist comes out explicitly against vax mandates:

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE-1RN4O18s&t=3s]

May have been covered in other Doses - Pfizer's fraud and the FDA approval process:

https://www.thedailybell.com/all-articles/news-analysis/vaxx-trial-fraud-pfizer-whistleblower-exposes-how-your-government-is-captured-by-multinational-corporations/

Article is a bit rough on Boomers, but as one I can say that there are plenty who well deserve it.

Submitted by randtntx on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 9:01am

One of the MDs

Dr. Paul Marik is now fighting a legal battle in the courts to be allowed to treat his patients in the hospital that he works. https://covid19criticalcare.com

The above link should get you there. This has been going on since the week of Nov. 20.

Edited to add this is in response to Dawn's Meta comment.
FLCCC group didn't do a new video for this past week, according to them they took the week off.

It appears that doctors and whistleblowers are being silenced and railroaded. Why is there such intolerance for open questioning, debate, different strategies for treatments, transparency of data and studies, or any different opinions? This alone raises red flags. That is not how good science works.

Submitted by Lookout on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 9:15am

Great recap of RFK's book...

if anyone missed his interview with James Corbett, here it is (1 hour)

show notes here: https://www.corbettreport.com/fauci/

Chris' most recent clip focuses on the ongoing protests
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-vZR35yzlQ]

Protests erupted all over Europe and in Australia over the prospect of renewed lockdowns, vaccinating children and other Covid measures. They’re fed up. I am fed up. You are fed up.

The main problem? None of the measures have actually worked so far and are an incoherent mess. Instead of rethinking strategies and being more thoughtful in communicating the necessity and goals of the new approaches, many governments have instead become more dictatorial and authoritarian. This is creating even more friction within and among the citizenry.

To avoid being a ‘rat in a cage’ your first step toward freedom rests in understand who is delivering the shocks and why.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 9:44am

Pepe Escabar

No paywall here. Tis a good read.

https://asiatimes.com/2021/11/fauci-as-darth-vader-of-the-covid-wars/

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Submitted by CB on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 10:21am

I hit a paywall with Asia Times

@snoopydawg
You can always get a free copy of Pepe Escobar's articles at The Unz Review after a day or so. He has an agreement with them.

https://www.unz.com/pescobar/fauci-as-darth-vader-of-the-covid-wars/

Submitted by snoopydawg on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 10:29am

Weird

@CB

how that works. Does it depend on where people are located? I posted it last night after reading the full article. Darth Vader works as does Tony Mengele. Guess it wasn’t such a good idea to bring the nazi scientists here after all. Guess that’s also why the winners write the rules. We seemed to be very selective on who we prosecuted for war crimes. Bet a non partisan Nuremberg 2 would catch a few Americans up in them.

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Submitted by CB on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 11:05am

I tried my VPN for 4 different countries

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various regions within the US, Canada, France, UK and no VPN. Here's my results each time:

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But I always get Pepe's articles within a few days at UNZ. I have have been following Pepe since the mid 90's.

Submitted by NYCVG on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 2:32pm

Yes, Paywall

@snoopydawg

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Submitted by Fishtroller 02 on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 10:47am

RFK Jr. has been known for his distortions of the science

regarding diseases and vaccines for a long time now. This article is just one of many pointing this out about him and has several direct examples of his cutting and dicing statements to come up with those distortions. In fact there are enough example of his tactics to fill another book. Made me think of the recent Jimmy Dore video pointing out how he cuts and pastes stuff to fit his narrative.

I guess Kennedy figures that it's his turn again to try to make some money off of his slick tactics.

Read it if you dare...
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-robert-f-kennedy-jr-disto...

Betcha no one here will.

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Submitted by Fishtroller 02 on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 10:58am

The transition from a well respected and honored

@Fishtroller 02

environmental activist to an over the top anti vaxxer .... sad, very sad.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-robert-f-kennedy-jr-medica...

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Submitted by CB on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 12:21pm

A hit piece in the Canadian Globe and Mail -

@Fishtroller 02
(which is a HIGHLY pro corporate, pro Liberal Government rag - equivalent to the NYT and Washington Post) written by Alexi Mostrous who is a partner and editor at the British Tortoise Media which was founded on pushing the corporate line about COVID-19.

This article was originally published by Tortoise, a different kind of newsroom committed to a slower, wiser news. To try Tortoise, Globe readers can get a 30-day free trial and a special half price offer: just click here and enter the code GLOBEINVITE. You'll get access to all of Tortoise's investigations, live editorial meetings, audio articles and daily news briefing emails.

Tortoise nears 50,000 paid-for subscribers as editor James Harding says Covid-19 'kickstarted' the business

I'm curious, what is your game in your continuing attempts at vilifying anyone who doesn't follow the Fauci and Gates agenda?

Submitted by Fishtroller 02 on Sun, 11/28/2021 - 9:53am

The Fauci and Gates agenda....

@CB

This whole pandemic is WAY more complicated than a silly conspiracy theory about Fauci or Gates. Both men I think very little of, but for different reasons.

You keep pushing the agenda of other groups who are steeped in misinformation and distortions of science. Why do you do that?

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Submitted by studentofearth on Sun, 11/28/2021 - 12:33pm

Fauci and Gates are involved in various areas of the medical

@Fishtroller 02 system. By drilling down and looking at a single aspect such as Covid it helps bring light to multiple areas. Personally I appreciate the opportunity to view the collection of information being presented by the various contributors.

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Submitted by CB on Sun, 11/28/2021 - 3:16pm

You continually repeat the SAME

@Fishtroller 02
misinformation from a captured MSM by changing the source. I just point out the connections to show they come from a common source.

You keep pushing the agenda of other groups who are steeped in misinformation and distortions of science. Why do you do that?

Nonsense. I've backed up every single claim I've made unlike yourself. Why do you keep repeating falsities from media that have been shown to be compromised and have been completely debunked by the majority here at C99?

I'm curious. Do you believe and trust Fauci on the COVID pandemic? How about his sordid history? If not, why do you believe him now? The same for Gates. Have you seen his history in Africa and India?

I suggest that you read "The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health." It's been annotated by hundreds of footnotes to back up EVERYTHING he writes in the book. If he didn't do that he would assuredly be sued. Thus far there have been none!

If you want to know Fauci's history of lying and crimes (fully annotated on original website for verification). Principia Scientific International - Policy Position Statement

Dr Fauci: 40 Years of Lies from AZT to Remdesivir
Principia Scientific International (PSI)
November 4, 2020

The article might seem unduly rough, but you must understand COVID-19 is not Anthony Fauci’s first rodeo. The singular big cahoona at NIAID for 6 presidencies, Fauci is the gatekeeper to research funding and has more power than one man should ever be given.

Here’s a bullet point summary of the article, although I highly recommend reading the entire article:

Not wearing a face mask has not lead to a single, extra death.

The COVID-19 death rate shows the viral cause for excess mortality is virtually impossible.

Fauci has been telling one lie after another for decades with a complicit mass media regurgitating his lies.

Fauci has a long habit of silencing and ignoring critical questions.

In order to understand the abundance of lies one has to understand that PCR tests are scientifically meaningless in detecting so-called SARS-CoV-2 infections, that according to orthodox researchers it is not excessively dangerous, and those referred to as COVID-19 victims probably did not die of it, but of non-viral factors and serious underlying diseases.

The viral narrative has become a fairy-tale.

The beginning of the fairy-tale; however, started with AIDS when “virus hunters” enjoyed god-like status accomplished by lies and deceit.

50 million were persuaded to get vaccinated during the 1976 swine flu disaster, which resulted in severe side-effects including paralysis and death in 20-40%.

Due to “unsettled political waters” at the end of the 70’s, the NIH and CDC, “increasingly needed a major epidemic to justify its existence,” according to Red Cross office Paul Cumming. The HIV/AIDS theory was just the ticket.

According to Kary Mullis, the inventor of the PCR, “All the old virus hunters from the National Cancer Institute put new signs on their doors and become AIDS researchers.” All of a sudden everyone was fully employed, including Robert Gallo who just happened to need a new career at the time.

AIDS research started with big lies, specifically Gallo’s announcement that “the probable cause of AIDS has been found.”

After he filed a patent application for an antibody test, Gallo’s papers were printed, so nobody was able to review his work for a time, which is a severe breach of professional scientific etiquette.

Review later showed Gallo’s studies did NOT prove the virus thesis.

Kary Mullis is quoted as stating Montagnier, Gallo, nor anyone else has published papers describing experiments which leads to the conclusion that HIV probably causes AIDS. Mullis personally asked Montagnier for a reference proving HIV causes AIDS but he couldn’t name one.

When Engelbrecht asked Fauci and NIAID several times for such a study, he was told, “Dr. Fauci respectfully declines to respond to the questions that you emailed.”

This failure to respond to scientific questions is typical of misconduct cases and “runs like a golden thread through Fauci’s 36-year history as director of the NIAID.” Please see original article for specific examples – and there are many.

The approval of AZT, the 1st authorized AIDS medication, is a perfect example, as many labeled the study it was all based upon a “fraud,” “a gigantic botch-up,” and “seriously flawed.” Even a FDA toxicologist analyst stated there was insufficient data to support approval of AZT. Please refer to the original article for the study’s many flaws. Stopped after four months, the study was financed by AZT manufacturer Wellcome, which is now GlaxoSmith Kline. (All of this is quite reminiscent of what is currently happening with Remdesivir which recently obtained EUA approval for COVID-19 despite lack of results)

Fauci only appears in the media when critical questions are not asked. On the rare occasion when he was asked why AZT was the only drug available he stated numerous lies: “that it was safe”, “that there have been scientifically controlled trials”, and that “it’s effective”. AZT is a highly toxic drug, the FDA trials were not scientifically controlled, and about the only thing AZT is effective for is destroying bone marrow. Even the creator of AZT “dumped it on the junk pile, didn’t keep the notebooks, and didn’t even think it was worth patenting.”

Despite Fauci’s promise of an AIDS vaccine 35 years ago – which has been given over a trillion US dollars so far, and an annual budget of around 35 billion dollars, it hasn’t happened yet.

Fauci predicted the so called “bird flu” would cause 2-7 million deaths. WHO estimated by May 2006 it had killed only 100 people. He stated serious adverse events for the fast-tracked swine flu vaccine was “very, very, very rare,” yet cases of narcolepsy came pouring in.

Fauci has pushed for preexposure prophylaxis of ART for HIV prevention in those that are HIV negative, i.e. giving highly toxic drugs to completely healthy people. Engelbrecht sent Fauci a list of important question about this but was told again, “Dr. Fauci respectfully declines to respond to the questions that you emailed.”

Regarding the anti-viral Remdesivir which recently obtained EUA status for COVID-19, the Alliance for Human Research and Protection (AHRF) brings up the fact Fauci has a vested interest the drug as he sponsored the clinical trial – which has not even been peer-reviewed. To date, he still has not made public his financial relations with Gilead the manufacturer. Instead of using science, he made the promotional announcement sitting on a couch in the White House, without allowing for review of the data. At the time he also failed to disclose to the public that the primary outcomes of the study were changed, which the AHRF considers “dubious and suspicious”, of which the mainstream media ignored, but should raise serious red flags. He then shrugged off a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, multi-center peer-reviewed, published Chinese study that was stopped due to serious adverse events.

Remdesivir has caused serious kidney problems and the WHO “Solidarity” trial showed it did not produce any measurable benefit in mortality, the need for ventilators, or the length of hospital stay, but Fauci is silent on these findings. In a bizarre twist, Gilead came out with a statement that conclusive findings can not be drawn from the trial because hadn’t been peer-reviewed or published yet, despite the WHO stating that the large, international study was designed to generate the robust data needed to show which treatment are most effective. Gilead failed to mention that the study used to promote Remdesivir was not peer-reviewed or published before it was given EUA status. When it was finally published it was in the New England Journal of Medicine, the same journal as the fraudulent pivotal trial of AZT. The study only stated that there was a shorter recovery time. Engelbrecht states this has no validity because of the flawed data and the fact participants did not receive a true placebo. FYI: we are talking about BIG money here. According to this, the mediocre drug has already brought in $873 million: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/29/health/covid-remdesivir-gilead

Fauci maligns anything that competes with his lucrative products. In the case of COVID, this includes HCQ which had numerous studies stacked against it from the beginning, from giving patients high killer doses to poorly done studies which were eventually retracted. Engelbrecht states that the Virology Journal study lacks validity because the science behind SARS-CoV-1 & 2 is totally unfounded and was a cell culture study, not a patient trial.

Fauci is all about Big Pharma – not life-style factors. Robert F. Kennedy points out that while HCQ costs a measly 30 cents, it completes with Moderna’s vaccine which Fauci’s agency owns half the patent and has invested $500 million in taxpayer money. He is aligned with numerous powerful industries and sits on the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation Council, which in turn invests millions directly into Fauci’s NIAID. But Fauci maintains he is apolitical and neutral.

There is a petition circulating titled #Fire Fauci.

Submitted by studentofearth on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 12:34pm

Did not realize The Globe and Mail

@Fishtroller 02 was the Canadian distributor of the New York Times.

For Canadians they are running a 50% of special right now for digital or print subscriptions.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 5:01pm

Kennedy is not an anti vaxxer

@Fishtroller 02

He has stated that numerous times and yet people still say he is. Weird how an anti vaxxer got his children vaccinated with childhood vaccines don’t you think? He points out how many vaccines get approved even though they hadn’t gone through complete trials. And the chemicals that are in them. And how Americans have gotten sicker since Fauci took over and has done nothing to address it. You would understand that if you actually read what he says with an open mind. If you want to believe Fauci is working in our best interests and he’s not pushing big pharma’s agenda fine, I do not. Big pharma is just one organization that has captured our government and it seems that profits not health are their goals.

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Submitted by Fishtroller 02 on Sun, 11/28/2021 - 9:45am

I don't like or trust Fauci at all. But I think RFK is over the

@snoopydawg

top with his accusations. And IF you read the stories I provided that show exact statements by Kennedy that were cut and pasted by him to distort scientific writings, then you would HAVE to have some skepticism in your mind over what he is saying now.

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Submitted by studentofearth on Sun, 11/28/2021 - 12:42pm

The sources are discussed a little lower in the thread

@Fishtroller 02 Might want to re-evaluate the possibility they could have conflict of interests regarding Robert F Kennedy Jr's writings.

Fortunately the references in the book can be used to access quality of sources. Skepticism in ones mind can be followed upon by doing ones own research and combining it with personal experience and knowledge.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 11/28/2021 - 1:18pm

I just don’t see what you get out

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of trying to discredit people we post here. It’s just beating that dead horse into infinity because you aren’t changing anyone’s minds. If you don’t want to trust them that’s fine, but others do so can you please just stop this? At some point it’s just trolling and I think you are better than that.

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Submitted by studentofearth on Sun, 11/28/2021 - 1:29pm

Perhaps to discourage participation

@snoopydawg by various writers. The feedback comments are generally targeted to the same individuals over multiple diaries until frustration can be seen in the replies.

Maybe it is just a game for amusement. Score a point now and then.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 11/28/2021 - 2:32pm

Maybe

@studentofearth

Maybe it is just a game for amusement. Score a point now and then.

How many points do they need before they stop? Or should we pitch in and buy them a prize and they’ll go away?

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Submitted by Fishtroller 02 on Mon, 11/29/2021 - 10:10am

You really don't like having the information you present

@snoopydawg

questioned, do you? So I am correct in my feeling all along that you wish to remove or ban posts that present views not compatible with yours?

Thanks for finally making that clear.

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Submitted by Fishtroller 02 on Mon, 11/29/2021 - 10:06am

I love it when people have a discussion about me as if I'm not

@studentofearth

in the room. I also love it when people make assumptions about me.

Here is why I post here.... I want people to see that there are other POVs on these issues and someone who is trying to apply skepticism to declarations about Covid and the vaccines that are patently false. I do get messages from some who are watching The Dose with dismay and thanking me for trying to apply balance to a comment thread that is 99% owned by the anti vax sentiments.

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Submitted by studentofearth on Mon, 11/29/2021 - 4:00pm

This is tagged as an Open Thread: the intent all dialog

@Fishtroller 02 is public for as long as the site exists and longer if captured in internet archive systems.

Critical decision thinking instilled 40 years ago during my University years in Pharmacy. Those skills have been applied in multiple settings and have served me well, including drug information services and medication management for various population groups.

One of the simple confusions regarding science is it is a disciplined process with the goal to obtain answers, not a noun used for marketing. The process to any answer can be long, convoluted and at times disappointing.

In medicine one notices the diagnosis and treatment fads happening over time repeatedly, with marketing outshouting science for a period of time. Time is the friend of the scientific process. Eventually ignored and suppressed research reasserts itself, but it requires awkward, uncomfortable conversations. Trying to provide Balance is not part of the scientific process.

Anyone dismayed and sending you private messages is welcome to join the conversation. I will always try to answer questions, sometimes it just takes awhile. As a general practice I minimize use of private messages, as to avoid developing cliques.

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Submitted by janis b on Mon, 11/29/2021 - 11:43pm

Hi soe

@studentofearth

I have much respect for the considered and uncomplicated and plain manner you communicate with. I also have much respect for the knowledge that your experience in science and nature brings to these conversations. Thank you.

Submitted by CB on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 11:47am

I'll bite

@Fishtroller 02
Take a look at some of what what Scientific American has to say about the COVID vaccines. Do you think that they are an unbiased source of information? Or possibly they have been captured by the pharmaceutical lobby as mouthpieces?

We Need School-Age Vaccine Mandates to End the COVID Pandemic
Vaccine refusal by parents is not about a lack of education, but amassing social status

New COVID Antivirals Do Not Replace the Need to Vaccinate
With the advent of new COVID drugs comes the fear that people will opt out of vaccination altogether

COVID Quickly, Episode 19: Mandate Roadblocks, Boosters for All and Sickness in the Zoo

This Cheap Device Could Expand the World’s Access to Vaccines
A new delivery method for certain vaccines could make the lifesaving treatments more effective and accessible

How Immunocompromised People without Strong Vaccine Protection Are Coping with COVID
People with diseases or treatments that suppress their immune system cannot count on the same protection most vaccinated people have

COVID Quickly, Episode 18: Vaccines for Kids and the Limits of Natural Immunity

COVID Vaccine Authorized for Kids Aged 5 to 11
The FDA’s decision to expand eligibility for the Pfizer vaccine to young kids could mean less illness, safer school and more freedom

Vaccine Mandates Are Lawful, Effective and Based on Rock-Solid Science
Clear legal pathways exist to move the U.S. closer to herd immunity

‘Breakthrough’ Infections Do Not Mean COVID Vaccines Are Failing
Getting flu again postinoculation is more common than a return case after a COVID shot

How to Get More Parents to Vaccinate Their Kids
A look at the financial and behavioral nudges that can provide incentives for change

A New Resource for Fighting Vaccine Misinformation
The #ScienceUpFirst initiative was created to provide, support and amplify accurate scientific information to help people make informed health decisions

Submitted by Fishtroller 02 on Sun, 11/28/2021 - 9:56am

Nobody is "unbiased".

@CB

This article, however, quotes directly what Kennedy said and shows how he cut and pasted his statements from the original scientific statements. I don't see how you can ignore that.

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Submitted by studentofearth on Sun, 11/28/2021 - 12:51pm

Learning how to adjust for bias to find truths

@Fishtroller 02 is skill set that improves with practice. This process of a deep look into medical care impacting society using Covid as a model is providing excellent opportunities with quick feedback for all of us to get better at independent analysis and research.

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Submitted by studentofearth on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 12:14pm

Read a wide variety of sources - Appears Scientific America

@Fishtroller 02 is quite trendy in the topics they cover and reprint from other sources.

About Scientific American

Scientific American covers the most important and exciting research, ideas and knowledge in science, health, technology, the environment and society. It is committed to sharing trustworthy knowledge, enhancing our understanding of the world, and advancing social justice.

The Kennedy article originally appeared in STAT.

About Us

STAT delivers trusted and authoritative journalism about health, medicine, and the life sciences. Millions of new readers turned to us as we sounded the alarm early on about the Covid-19 pandemic. Our journalists go deep in tough-minded coverage of the business of making medicines, health tech, science, and public health.

We take you inside academic labs, biotech boardrooms, and political backrooms. We cast a critical eye on scientific discoveries, scrutinize corporate strategies, and chronicle roiling battles for talent, money, and market share. We examine controversies and puncture hype. With an award-winning newsroom, STAT gives you indispensable insights and exclusive stories on the technologies, personalities, power brokers, and political forces driving massive changes in the life science industry — and a revolution in human health. These are the stories that matter to us all.

STATS newsletter subscription will keep one up to date on:

STAT+ is STAT’s premium subscription service for in-depth biotech, pharma, policy, and life science coverage and analysis. Our award-winning team covers news on Wall Street, policy developments in Washington, early science breakthroughs and clinical trial results, and health care disruption in Silicon Valley and beyond.

Interesting read for Industry insights and circular reporting in the name of science.

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Submitted by CB on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 1:07pm

An unholy alliance

@studentofearth
between The Media and Big Pharma. You can see how and why they control the narrative about COVID-19. The following also puts the lie to "China kept the coronavirus secret".

The Medical News Site That Saw the Coronavirus Coming Months Ago
March 30, 2020

Stat, started in 2015 by the Red Sox owner John Henry, is drawing four to five times its normal audience. “We were built for this,” one of its editors said.

On New Year’s Eve, Helen Branswell, a reporter at the science and medical news website Stat, was finishing an article about the development of an elusive Ebola vaccine when she got an inkling of her next big story.

“Hopefully this is nothing out of the ordinary,” she wrote on Twitter, adding a link to a report of an “unexplained pneumonia” in central China.

Two days later, she tweeted a South China Morning Post article about the outbreak and wrote, “Not liking the look of this.”

Stat published Ms. Branswell’s first article on the “growing cluster of unexplained pneumonia cases” on Jan. 4. There was some indication, she reported, of “a new virus, and perhaps even a new coronavirus.”
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The site has attracted nearly 30 million unique visitors this year, which is four to five times its usual traffic, said Rick Berke, the executive editor, who oversees the editorial and business departments.

Part of the reason for the surge is that, like many other publications, Stat has placed its pandemic coverage outside its paywall. But with a staff of roughly 30 reporters and editors well versed in health and science, the site was well positioned to cover an epoch-defining story.
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Stat was started by the financier John W. Henry, the principal owner of the Boston Red Sox and the Liverpool Football Club. Before determining that Boston should have a site to cover the industries of its many hospitals, research labs and biotech start-ups, Mr. Henry bought The Boston Globe from The New York Times Company for $70 million in 2013.

Mr. Berke, formerly a reporter and an editor at The Times, came aboard as a co-founder. Another key member of the leadership team is Linda Henry, Mr. Henry’s wife, the managing director.

“This realization John had was that we need to tell the story of what’s happening in life sciences, and that story needs to come from Boston,” Ms. Henry said.

Stat_(website) Controversies

On April 16, 2020, an article by STAT national biotech columnist Adam Feuerstein leaked early, incomplete results Gilead Sciences clinical trial of remdesivir for COVID-19 without permission from the company.[9] The title of this exclusive story was "Early peek at data on Gilead coronavirus drug suggests patients are responding to treatment."[10] Gilead shares jumped higher in after-hours trading immediately after the report published.[11] In a statement to CNBC, a University of Chicago spokesperson said, “Partial data from an ongoing clinical trial is by definition incomplete and should never be used to draw conclusions about the safety or efficacy of a potential treatment that is under investigation."[11] Texas Democrat Rep. Lloyd Doggett, chair of the House Ways and Means Health Subcommittee, called for an investigation of how STAT obtained the leaked video. Rep. Doggett, an attorney, noted that "providing information that's designed to impact the stock market is not something that is permitted under federal securities law."[9]

The billionaires increased their "earnings" by 70% since the COVID-19 pandemic began. They will most likely double it in early 2022 if they can keep this money maker going. The worst thing to happen to them would be an effective prophylaxis worth a few dollars to get used.

Billionaires Are Not Morally Qualified To Shape Human Civilization - Caitlin Johnstone
Oct 31, 2021

Human civilization is being engineered in myriad ways by an unfathomably wealthy class who are so emotionally and psychologically stunted that they refuse to end world hunger despite having the ability to easily do so.

The United Nations has estimated that world hunger could be ended for an additional expenditure of $30 billion a year, with other estimates considerably lower. The other day Elon Musk became the first person ever to attain a net worth of over $300 billion. A year ago his net worth was $115 billion. According to Inequality.org, America’s billionaires have a combined net worth of $5.1 trillion, which is a 70 percent increase from their combined net worth of under $3 trillion at the beginning of the Covid-19 pandemic.
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Submitted by vtcc73 on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 12:41pm

I'm sad to see nothing has changed here.

I had to step away about two months ago. The level of paranoia over the covid response and the vaccines were just too much. It's still here only more entrenched but no less delusional. It's hard seeing people I've known for so long go off the deepend. That's especially so when they put themselves and others at risk over ideology and politics. That's not a trait I can accept in a community that supposedly values community health, safety, and security. Personally, I can't square placing others at risk over a belief no matter how fervent. Yet, the anti-vaxx clique is willing to do so. I can't abide in this community what I have seen from the hard right whackos. You're not them but you sound like them.

I gleefully left TOP. I've been trying to not do so here for most of this year. I stepped away for a couple months. I see no reason to return. I won't say never but please try to stay safe. This is a sad day.

A rant that speaks to me: Quora: Have you ever been filled with rage and why?

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Submitted by QMS on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 1:46pm

The politicization of the new flu is what we are trying

@vtcc73

to grapple with here. It doesn't have to be this way.
Health and science do not need a major dose of lies and
obscurity to be an effective means of explaining our options.
Good to hear from you again.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 2:39pm

Then you haven’t bothered to read any

@vtcc73
of what has been posted in these essays so I don’t know how you can claim that we’ve gone off the deep end. Being closed minded to any information that deviates from the mainstream media is mind boggling to me, but you’re not being told to stop or belittled. Calling people anti vax is considered an insult since many who take part in these threads have been vaccinated. Others might not because of personal reasons that are no ones business. I don’t need to be lectured by someone who thinks they know what is true and what isn’t and wants me to stop writing what they don’t approve of. Just don’t read them and you’ll be fine. Are you harmed by what others think and if not what’s the problem exploring other options?

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Submitted by janis b on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 3:17pm

Well said snoopy,

@snoopydawg

It’s condescending and shows disdain toward many here.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Sat, 11/27/2021 - 4:03pm

Thank you

@janis b

It’s condescending and shows disdain toward many here.

That’s exactly what it is. I think there has been great discussions on all things related to the virus and epidemic as a whole. I certainly thank those who have taken part in posting their information here. I learn something new every day from the essays.

I don’t think anyone can deny that there has been a vast transfer of money upwards while many others have been pushed into poverty or deeper into it. Musk was worth $115 billion less than 2 years ago and now is worth $300 billion. Bezos and others have gotten much richer too. And the vaccine makers are profiting off them when most of their funding came from our taxes. That alone should have people questioning parts of the epidemic and who’s pushing it. The common cold is a coronavirus and there are lots of treatments for it as there has been some all through history for viruses, but this lone virus can only be treated with brand new vaccines and no other treatments are available? Please.

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Submitted by Fishtroller 02 on Sun, 11/28/2021 - 10:10am

I think you totally missed vttcc73's point.

@snoopydawg

Anyone coming here and registering for community membership and seeing the constant extensive postings under The Dose would wonder what the basic philosophy of this site really is. That is because so much of the long discussion material DOES come from right wing sites that generate a whole cottage industry of conspiracy theories. On top of that, any time that anyone questions these sources our points out the blatant distortions of science that come from them they are nudged aggressively out of the conversation and shown the door.

You would have to really step back and take a different view of these "conversations" to see this. I don't think that will happen.

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Submitted by studentofearth on Sun, 11/28/2021 - 1:17pm

Please provide further clarification of

@Fishtroller 02 definition and examples of contemporary right wing sites. Labels seem to switch over time and I don't always notice when it happens.

That is because so much of the long discussion material DOES come from right wing sites that generate a whole cottage industry of conspiracy theories.

I generally try to pick well written articles with quality data when providing information. Used to worry about medical literacy and avoided primary research links, but medical literacy is longer an issue at C99.

The problem with Science and the scientific process it is not pretty, includes lots of arguments. Consensus happens periodically and then new information is presented or old information revisited. How many different physic theories have been proposed on the origin and composition of the universe in the past 150 years?

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 11/28/2021 - 1:29pm

Oh please

@Fishtroller 02

No I don’t think I did. And JtC has provided this space for us to write about. If people don’t like what we write they are free to skip reading it.

On top of that, any time that anyone questions these sources our points out the blatant distortions of science that come from them they are nudged aggressively out of the conversation and shown the door

That’s your opinion. Science is never settled and if people think it is they have just closed their minds and that’s what vcct is telling me. As are you. You want us to stuff our beliefs because YOU don’t agree with them? You can disregard that there are other ways to treat the virus if you want. I think there are many ways to treat it just like there always have been for every other virus. It’s hubris to say there isn’t.

As to what the philosophy of this site is I guess you have missed the many times JtC has defined it.

What you are asking for is censorship plain and simple. If you don’t like what we post here you know the rule.

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Submitted by Fishtroller 02 on Mon, 11/29/2021 - 10:17am

I don't want any opinions "stuffed" or censored.

@snoopydawg

It's one of the main reasons I hated DKos. It's one of the reasons I hate the stifling of speech on college campuses etc.

What I want is to be able to call out bogus claims, especially scientific ones, when I see them. And I see them constantly within the presentations on The Dose.

What I want is for this cottage industry of anti vax "thought" to be held to the highest scrutiny possible because people are fucking dying every day from the effects of this misinformation.

Like..." tens of thousands of people have died from the Covid shots." That is just plain false snoop, and you should know that.

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Submitted by CB on Mon, 11/29/2021 - 3:52pm

Information from the VAERS website

@Fishtroller 02
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