The Dose 11--2021

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John knock it out of the park with this one. The bullshit going on is criminal.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xROICA8Hr7I

On an unrelated note, I’ll most likely be saying goodbye to my 160# Great Dane/Great Pyrannees 11 yr old romping buddy Otis today.

Days like these help you appreciate the better days you’ve had.

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . .

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@Tall Bald and Ugly

Last night we were reminiscing about our Great Danes.
Pretty silly but very protective of the kids.
So darn big, when they got excited, their tails would wipe out
lamps, ashtrays, drinks and everything else on the tables.
They were good friends. We would walk the fields together.
11 years is a good long run.

Hope you retain the better memories.

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I am so sorry to hear that you are saying goodbye to your beloved dawg. There are never any words to help you through the sorrow, but there are lots of memories and I hope they will bring you comfort.

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@Tall Bald and Ugly 11 years is a great run and those memories, they last forever. So going forward it will be those forever memories that bring happiness to you.

It looks as if tptb want us sheeple to be taking vaccines forever

https://commons.commondreams.org/t/concerning-new-covid-variant-spotligh...

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@CB @CB @CB @CB but what we want no longer matters to anybody but ourselves.

We had ample warning. We saw this in an endless stream of movies TV series books. Call them sci-fi or dystopian future works, whatever and they were geared towards all audiences. By which I mean there were plenty of teenage/young adults entertainments that I never saw personally, but our younger audiences did.

We did nothing to impede the progress towards the goal we are reaching---Total Control through omniscient surveillance.

What is troubling me now is the contradictory dual insistence that vaccines and masks must be universal at the same time the evidence is mounting that this plan is not working.

No matter how much of the population is vaccinated and masked we see that the virus seems to be finding a way to spread. Or is it not spreading and the goal is to keep scaring us?

Is the virus over and all that remains is that 100% of us will be forced to comply with whatever is rolled out next or be thrown out of civilization?

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into new strains. The vaxes attempt to limit the absorption of the current form.
The bug is smarter and faster. So It grows into a different form to prevent it's
termination. It's a great playbook for pharma, as they will modify their vax every time
the bug morphs, so another round of new vax!
What a scam. Where is there a test for immunity?
That is the way to stop it. Isolate the immune factors and develop a serum for that
to reproduce. If they are going to shoot everyone up, this will never happen.

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Where is there a test for immunity?

This is the MOST important factor in gaining some control over the pandemic. We now have enough peer reviewed data to show that natural immunity prevents both contagion and sickness to a degree unmatched by the vaccines. Despite available tests to determine this vital data it is completely ignored by the majority of countries as little consequence.

TPTB are not stupid. The end game is to normalize vaccinations on a yearly or bi-yearly basis and institute bio-metric vaccine passports in order to enforce it. The new test kits by the CDC will start testing for SARS-CoV-2, influenza A and influenza B in January, 2022. Knowing the higher mutation rate for the influenza virus will ensure continuing vaccination takes place until EVERYONE on the face of the earth is 'tagged'.

Keep in mind the biometric "REAL ID" will come into effect May 3, 2023. It had been postponed from October 1, 2021 due to include the COVID pandemic.

All this a known end game of The Great Reset as part of the New World Order. They are now doing it plain sight as we speak in every country in the world. You can expect all money to be digitized by 2025 to ensure full compliance.

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of the infirm and sick will (like the 1918 flu) curb this disease. Vaccination using only a small part of the virus leads to escape via mutation. Natural immunity, because it uses a significant part of the virus, makes it much harder for it mutate before it is destroyed.

Unfortunately there is the Original Antigenic Sin to contend with as vaccination rates get higher before one can get natural immunity. This may be what we are now dealing with the increase in hospitalization and death of the vaccinated.

Original antigenic sin: A comprehensive review

Abstract

The concept of "original antigenic sin" was first proposed by Thomas Francis, Jr. in 1960. This phenomenon has the potential to rewrite what we understand about how the immune system responds to infections and its mechanistic implications on how vaccines should be designed. Antigenic sin has been demonstrated to occur in several infectious diseases in both animals and humans, including human influenza infection and dengue fever. The basis of "original antigenic sin" requires immunological memory, and our immune system ability to autocorrect. In the context of viral infections, it is expected that if we are exposed to a native strain of a pathogen, we should be able to mount a secondary immune response on subsequent exposure to the same pathogen. "Original antigenic sin" will not contradict this well-established immunological process, as long as the subsequent infectious antigen is identical to the original one. But "original antigenic sin" implies that when the epitope varies slightly, then the immune system relies on memory of the earlier infection, rather than mount another primary or secondary response to the new epitope which would allow faster and stronger responses. The result is that the immunological response may be inadequate against the new strain, because the immune system does not adapt and instead relies on its memory to mount a response. In the case of vaccines, if we only immunize to a single strain or epitope, and if that strain/epitope changes over time, then the immune system is unable to mount an accurate secondary response. In addition, depending of the first viral exposure the secondary immune response can result in an antibody-dependent enhancement of the disease or at the opposite, it could induce anergy. Both of them triggering loss of pathogen control and inducing aberrant clinical consequences.
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China is the only country in the world that is using killed virus vaccines on the majority of their populace. Everywhere else in the world they are using a genetically modified spike protein antigen.

Mutated spike mutations have been discovered which may affect infection entry points for the virus:

The spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 variant A.30 is heavily mutated and evades vaccine-induced antibodies with high efficiency
Published: 25 October 2021

The COVID-19 pandemic, caused by SARS-CoV-2, continues to rage in many countries, straining health systems and economies. Vaccines protect against severe disease and death and are considered central to ending the pandemic. COVID-19 vaccines (and SARS-CoV-2 infection) elicit antibodies that are directed against the viral spike (S) protein and neutralize the virus. However, the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 variants with S protein mutations that confer resistance to neutralization might compromise vaccine efficacy [1]. Furthermore, emerging viral variants with enhanced transmissibility, likely due to altered virus-host cell interactions, might rapidly spread globally. Therefore, it is important to investigate whether emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants exhibit altered host cell interactions and resistance against antibody-mediated neutralization.
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Norway Study Finds ZERO Vaccine Effectiveness Against Death for Covid Hospital Patients

A new pre-print study from Norway looking at differences in outcomes between vaccinated and unvaccinated hospital patients has found that being vaccinated makes zero difference to the risk of dying once hospitalised for COVID-19.

“There was no difference in the adjusted odds of in-hospital death between vaccinated and unvaccinated patients in any age group,” the researchers write. They also observed no difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated in the length of hospital stay for patients not admitted to ICU. These findings are adjusted for age and other risk factors so are not simply due to the vaccinated being older or at higher risk (though, as always, the validity of the adjustments may be questioned). The findings also only include patients admitted primarily due to Covid, so aren’t confounded by patients admitted for other reasons who also tested positive at some point.

The researchers did however find that vaccinated patients aged 18-79 had “43% lower odds of ICU admission” and an estimated 26% shorter hospital stay than unvaccinated patients.

It is curious that vaccinated patients were 43% less likely to need ICU but no less likely to die. Did the antibodies from the vaccines just mean that those who were going to fight it off did so a bit more quickly and easily, but the vaccine antibodies weren’t actually able to save anyone who wasn’t going to survive anyway? That appears to be the researchers’ conclusion:

Our results suggest that once hospitalised the risk of death among vaccinated and unvaccinated patients in Norway is similar. However, for survivors the disease trajectory is milder in vaccinated patients, with reduced need for hospital care and organ support.

The study is unusual in finding zero vaccine effectiveness against in-hospital death for the whole period of the vaccination programme. A recent study in neighbouring Sweden found vaccine effectiveness against severe disease declining over the course of seven months to be low, zero or even negative in risk groups such as men, older frail people and people with comorbidities (see below; there were no separate findings on death). But this is one of the first major studies to find an important measure of vaccine effectiveness – in-hospital mortality – to be negligible overall.

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https://nationalpost.com/health/why-it-can-be-hard-to-prove-a-vaccine-ca...

It’s hard to prove that injuries and deaths are related to the vaccines. Surely the high numbers are just coincidences then.

What’s this called?

Again, a report doesn’t prove cause-and-effect. Most provinces mandate reporting of certain serious adverse events. “So if there is a fatal outcome following vaccination without a clear other cause — for example, someone got hit by a car on their way home from a vaccine appointment and they died — they are mandated to report that,” Top said.

Forget about the number of athletes having heart attacks and strokes after getting jabbed. Purely coincidental I’m sure. Or people having uncontrolled muscle spasms and..good lord! Read it to get the full effect of what they’re saying.

This is called moving the goalposts:

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Rumble — Pfizer reported that its vaccine shows a 95% efficacy. That sounds like it protects you 95% of the time. But that's not what that number actually means. That is the relative risk reduction which does NOT tell you what your overall risk is reduced by vaccination. For that number, we need to look at absolute risk reduction. This video explains the difference and why it's important to understand.

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In other words not so much protection vs the risk of severe side effects. Big pass from me.

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"This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice."

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as a probable cause for the effects we are seeing occurring in real time.

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Just another attack to discredit information.

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generally fare worse than the vaccinated. But that's not the part that was highlighted by the post.

Applying skepticism to any claim or source is healthy. I apply it to both information that confirms the value of vaccination and to claims about vaccination that would have the whole world in fear of it.

It is disconcerting that there is not MORE application of skepticism applied to posts under The Dose.

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From the excerpt:

The researchers did however find that vaccinated patients aged 18-79 had “43% lower odds of ICU admission” and an estimated 26% shorter hospital stay than unvaccinated patients.

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The researchers did however find that vaccinated patients aged 18-79 had “43% lower odds of ICU admission” and an estimated 26% shorter hospital stay than unvaccinated patients.

So, it's barely the toss of a coin for not getting admitted to ICU followed by even odds of death if you are vaccinated!

But that was not the prime purpose of THIS study. This study was to determine if the vaccine was efficacious in reducing the death rate of those admitted to ICU's. It shows that the vaccine makes no difference in someone dying once that point is reached however you reached it. Maybe they have to improve ICU treatment? BTW, that is what China learned to do but that is another story.

This study opens up avenues for further study. Why is the vaccine losing it's efficacy in one of its prime purposes - to lower death rates?

Is there some connection between this low impact of Covid in 2021 in these countries and the vaccine effectiveness results showing declining or zero efficacy against serious disease and death? Something worth looking into, I’d suggest.

As you know, there are risks associated with taking the vaccines so it would be good to minimize the number that are required. Unfortunately there are also rising valid concerns that many of these risks are being hidden or minimized in the push for 100% vaccination rate.

You seem to have a one track mind - vaccination at all costs and are willing to disregard any ill effects from these completely new mRNA gene therapy 'vaccines' that have had less than 1 1/2 years of study in humans (after Moderna's first try failing in animal tests). It has been less than a year since EUA 'approval' in mid to late December 2020 after barely 6 months human testing. Why do you think the vaccine manufacturers cannot be held legally responsible for ANY damages whatsoever - complete 100% immunity?

At the Dose we are searching for answers to the many anomalies that are presenting themselves. We've come a long way since Fauci touted "100% effective, 100% safe, we will see the bright light at the end of the tunnel by February, March, April" back in December 18, 2020.

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caveat. Most of the report supports what most areas of the world are seeing... vaccinated people fare better in every category than the unvaccinated.

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You have a one track mind. See my response.

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Not the one I posted that she said I omitted something that I didn’t because it’s right there in my excerpt nor do I try to deceive people. It’s easy to miss the point by not reading I guess.

It is disconcerting that there is not MORE application of skepticism applied to posts under The Dose.

I apply it to both information that confirms the value of vaccination and to claims about vaccination that would have the whole world in fear of it.

Fear? Damn right I’m afraid of taking it with good reason which I have explained here more than once, but she doesn’t seem to care how many people have been injured by them or been killed by them. Just roll up your sleeve and get jabbed.

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I imagine those two breeds together must make a very sweet doggie.

So sorry you have to say good-bye today. You are doing it the right way.

We all have so many buddies over the Rainbow Bridge. They will see each other before we do.

❣️ to you and your family.

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The Pandemic’s Big Lie: Died ‘With’ vs Died ‘From’ COVID

In this short news report from Full Measure, Sharyl Attkisson interviews the coroner from Grand County, Colorado, where a murder-suicide during Thanksgiving 2020 were recorded as two COVID-19 deaths.

While outlandish, it has appeared from other reports around the country1 and statements from the Colorado governor, this practice is not uncommon.2

(Watch video:)

In the early months of 2020, many in the mainstream news media laughingly called concerns that there were more deaths reported from COVID-19 than could be attributed to the disease a “death toll conspiracy.”3 Rolling Stone reported this was led by conservative Republicans and “anti-vaxxers” who believe the numbers were inflated.4

Yet, it was only several short months later that data confirmed what many already knew: The number of people who died “from” COVID-19 we’re not the same as those who died “with” COVID-19. The differentiation is not subtle. In the first case, individuals died from the disease.
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Inflated COVID Death Numbers Recorded in Multiple Counties

In July 2021, Santa Clara and Alameda counties in California did an analysis of the number of people who died from COVID-19. Santa Clara found a significant discrepancy.7 The data did not change. The number of actual deaths did not change. But the authorities found 22% of the deaths recorded from COVID-19 could not be attributed to the virus.

The new numbers were generated by counting only those people whose cause of death was ‘from’ the virus. They left off the people who had tested positive at the time of death, but whose cause of death was not the result of an infection from SARS-CoV-2. In the month before, Alameda County recounted their deaths and registered a drop of roughly 25%.8
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“I was told by some of my fellow coroners in the more rural counties in Colorado that it was happening to them, that they knew of issues where they had signed out a death certificate with perhaps trauma involved. And they were being advised that it was being counted as a COVID-related death.”
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Financial Incentives Likely Contributed to Inflated Numbers

The reason other states were over reporting COVID deaths, and maybe the reason the governor of Colorado wanted to continue, were the financial incentives offered to hospitals. As early as April 2020, some health authorities were suspicious that the COVID-19 death counts were padded.
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CDC Now Counting Vaccination Deaths as Unvaccinated Illness

The issue of inaccurately counting COVID-related deaths is continuing. Based on statements made by Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, it appears the CDC is manipulating statistics to create a false and inaccurate impression.

In a July 16, 2021, White House Press briefing, she claimed “over 97% of people who are entering the hospital right now are unvaccinated.”22 Just a few weeks later, she inadvertently revealed how the CDC came by that statistic.23
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AMA Teaches Doctors the Power of Misinformation

Before turning to your health care professional for accurate information, it’s important to note that the American Medical Association is strongly advising doctors to follow the company line. And the company line is full of “language swaps,” samples of acceptable social media posts and information on how to deflect or redirect questions to push AMA acceptable content.34
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“The use of language, the words you use to describe reality, can in fact engender reality, can disclose reality. Words are generative… We create and perceive our reality through language. We think reality into existence through linguistic construction in real-time.”
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In other words, why does the U.S. lead the world in number of deaths from an infection?39 Might it be for the same reason that Australia is in a tyrannical lockdown when their infection rate is .6% and just 1% of those infected have died? Could there be a different agenda than what you’ve been led to believe?

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number from one country a year ago. Now Italy has followed suit and their numbers are around 3 k. That’s what Utah’s numbers are now. 3,000 in 29 months. I wonder what heart attacks are for the same time period?

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is brilliant. I've watched Dr. Campbell's presentation on Ivermectin twice and found it understandable, credible and a delightful experience of British language and expression subtlety.

Between them Jimmy and John have over 2-3 million viewers. Very high subscriber numbers. I am shocked these are still up on YouTube.

Thanks ggersh for sharing the link.

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CDC Scientists admit they did manipulate study data to show the Covid-19 Vaccines are safe for Pregnant Women as researchers discover 91% of pregnancies resulted in miscarriage following Covid-19 Vaccination

In July 2021, The Exposé exclusively revealed how data had been manipulated by scientists carrying out a real world study for the CDC to show that Covid-19 vaccines were safe for use during pregnancy.
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Therefore the rate of incidence of miscarriage was 82%, not 12.6% as presented in the findings of the study, and the authors of the study have since admitted that they made a mistake, issuing a correction six months too late, because the study has been used to justify Covid-19 vaccination of pregnant women and new mothers around the world.

Im not qualified to decide anything in articles that have lots of numbers in them. It seriously bothers my brain, but I know others here are so I’d appreciate any thoughts on it. One thing I see a lot of are the things that pregnant women are told to avoid such as cat litter. I’ve never thought it was okay for pregnant women to get jabbed because no one knows what the final results are going to be once the studies are finished. Just seemed like a no brainer.

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But the salient point seems to revolve around the definition of ‘spontaneous abortion’ involves a loss in the first two of the three trimesters in a pregnancy. Third trimester loss of pregnancy is considered ‘stillbirth’.

This meant that of the 127 women who received either the Pfizer or Moderna Covid-19 vaccine during the first / second trimester, with 104 experienced a ‘spontaneous abortion’.

The lower percentage of spontaneous abortion was arrived at by dividing the 104 losses in the first two trimesters by the total of all (827) participants (= 12.5%) rather than losses by total 1st and 2nd trimester (104) by the 127 who were vaccinated before the third trimester (= 81.8%).

If that is the error the article addresses, it’s a big one! I’ll take another look after my am coffee.

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Look forward to tomorrow.

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This study, found on the NIH website, which was the primary basis for the subsequent FDA approval of mRNA vaccines for pregnant women, reached the following conclusion:

Preliminary findings did not show obvious safety signals among pregnant persons who received mRNA Covid-19 vaccines. However, more longitudinal follow-up, including follow-up of large numbers of women vaccinated earlier in pregnancy, is necessary to inform maternal, pregnancy, and infant outcomes.

In fact, the data clearly indicates a significant risk of spontaneous abortion among the subset of vaccine recipients who received the vaccine in the first two trimesters (> 80%). This fact is obscured by publishing a much lower risk number for the entire pregnant cohort, including the significant majority of pregnant women in the study who received the vaccine in the third trimester, when the fetus is far less vulnerable.

If this deception was not intentional it would have to be a most profoundly stupid way to characterize the sharply elevated risk during early pregnancies. Unfortunately, the people who published this study are unlikely to be that stupid.

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If this deception was not intentional

Either way they shouldn’t have been pushing it on pregnant women as much as they did just because they didn’t know what the long term studies would find. There are many drugs that tell women that if they are or think they are to not take them, but this new creation wasn’t in the group. Hopefully one day there will be a reckoning.

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First off the first paragraph is totally false.

How in hell can doctors go along with this? The study was very small to begin with and now they are admitting that their success won’t be known for 5 years? Yeah that’s another reason why they should not be mandatory! Good gawd these are children.

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@snoopydawg imagine having a half million dollars worth of debt to become a doctor and then if you don't go along with the narrative(the boss) you have no chance of getting a job or keeping your job.

Ya the "Hippocratic Oath" gets thrown right out the window. Yep it totally sucks for everyone involved except for the politicians/elites of course.

Those same politicians/elites have so totally screwed us, but then we've made it easy for them haven't we?

I'm not religious but I thank god I'm 68, I have 3 children and no grandchildren that I know of. Wink

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Because they have debt and families to look out for, but not for being okay with jabbing kids with something that there are no long term studies for. I just wonder what decision I’d make if I was still working and had to decide whether or not to get it and know what I do about them. I admire those who have stood their ground and left. But it should never have come to this. I had a reaction to my last flu shot and the next year the nurse bugged me about getting another one cuz it was mandatory for hospital workers. I kept out of site when they bugged me about it but since I wasn’t in contact with patients I got a pass. Or I’d have to wear masks if I ever did. Fair play since she ignored me when I tried to get help from the reaction. She didn’t want to know.

Yep we have made it easy for them to do everything they do to us. As V said, people shouldn’t be afraid of their government. Government should be afraid of the people because we are the government. Congress isn’t the only ones who abdicated their duty.

Sam says squeak…

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Excessive heat for mothers during pregnancy puts stress on them and their babies as it does with older people with comorbidity. In fact our entire lifestyle with pollutants in the soil, air and water along with crappy food is putting stress on our populations in unknown ways.

Unfortunately the Captains of Industry would rather cull excess humans than lose their profits to solve the problem. Rampant human greed is what ails the human race.

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