Signal Wave
So, I just wrote a long, heartfelt essay about C99, JtC's hiatus, moral and emotional exhaustion leading to burnout (not just JtC's), the vax/anti-vax COVID controversy on the site, censorship, and my own personal reasons for continuing to write here. I uploaded it. It vanished into the ether.
Here's the short version:
Do we want to continue to maintain C99 (if we can?)
If for some reason we can't,
Do we want to continue speaking to one another? How shall we do that without the site?
There are obviously technical considerations (who's got the know-how to fix code if it breaks, etc.), social considerations (who's going to make non-technical decisions), and, above all, labor considerations (there's a lot of work involved with maintaining this site, and it's inadvisable--as we now see--leaving it all on the shoulders of one person).
Well, what do you think?
Please discuss.
I'm uploading this early because of the pressing nature of the question.
Comments
JtC just said he's taking a break...
...not shutting down the site. If he decides to do that, then we might want to explore options, but let's not over react. Just give the man a break. He'll let us know if we need to consider options.
I suspect the COVID disputes caused him consternation. In the meantime I would urge us all to be civil. We can disagree in a respectful way if we need to, but should work on being supportive and cooperative if possible.
Might be a good experiment to see if we can act like considerate adults without supervision.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
I'm completely on board with acting
like considerate adults. If I ever don't act like that, I certainly hope one or more of you will tell me. (It's like telling me if I have spinach caught in my teeth.)
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I think I can portray a good mock up of one
Jtc is the man
Sometimes I think he the only adult in the room.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Having been
So I hope discussions on Covid can continue here, as I don't see any major problems and never believed this was such a sensitive snowflake site that only Kumbaya chats are allowed. Certainly in pre-Covid days there were a number of stronger-than-moderate disagreements here on political matters as the 2020 campaign unfolded. Somehow the site survived.
As long as it's not personal is my view. Meanwhile, most here will not only have different perspectives on things, but importantly will have varying degrees of intensity of feeling about a given issue. So far, as I see it, this site does a pretty good job of managing to be open and un-censoring while not devolving into a free-for-all slime fest.
I feel this way too:
So far, as I see it, this site does a pretty good job of managing to be open and un-censoring while not devolving into a free-for-all slime fest.
With the same caveat you made. No idea what people are saying in private.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Excellent comment,
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Differing opinions
Tend to be closely held beliefs that are seen from different viewpoints. If you are familiar with the Pacific Northwest it is like looking at Mount Raineer from different compass points and arguing over which view is the correct one it really depends on where you are standing. From each of the four compass points it is unrecognizable if you have only seen it from one of the others. In the end it's the same mountain. Everyone has a tool chest of life experience that leads to how they view the world and the choices they make. Everybody's experiences are different leading to looking at things from a different place. I always assume everyone has put as much time and thought into their opinions as I have. I don't have to agree with them to respect their opinion. Over the years I have learned lots those who don't share my opinions by asking questions that give me a small peek into their perspective. I have even had it alter my perception on an issue some and evolved my own opinion. Asking what it is that bothers me about a certain opinion often leads me to interesting insights. But then I was introduced to the world of politics by a bunch of ancient anarchists, their stories color my opinions to this day as I watch history repeat itself.
Thank you pswaterspirit
for this amazing and encompassing comment.
May I ask
where location 'ol' is?
This may be a bit long...
...but makes your point about listening to others different views.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX9KbPnSM0k]
1.2 hour
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
One thing that few people seem to realize
Is that the whole "Woke" thing is essentially a character attack on leftism.
Just like Admiral Haldo is not a feminist character, but a feminist caricature.
I wouldn't be surprised if the whole tenor of recent "left" ideology had been planned in an office in Langley or at the Heritage Foundation.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Bingo! n/t
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
i may be mistaking your meaning,
but i admit that to me, 'Wokeness' is a parody of virtue-signaling that 'Now we care about people of color', so:
No more indun maiden on Land o Lakes butter, no mo' Uncle Ben's rice, no mo' aunt jemima pancake syrup, D congress critters kneeling almost 9 mins for george floyd...in african kente cloth stoles...
Wow what a great conversation. Key point number one....
Our best implementation is to listen to all points of view, respectfully. Absolutely ask the hard questions and expect a rigorous answer. Both sides of any question owe it to each other to research the point of view, science, information and then to present it patiently, clearly and without pushing an agenda.
My hometown, Portland, Oregon comes out looking pretty bad. Oregon unfortunately in spite of its 'liberal' reputation, suffers from a long history of segregation, religious intolerance, othering of people by ethnic origins, class (educational or financial), gun culture, priviledge. So sad.
A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit. Allegedly Greek, but more possibly fairly modern quote.
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What a great comment. So concise; lovely metaphor;
A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit. Allegedly Greek, but more possibly fairly modern quote.
Consider helping by donating using the button in the upper left hand corner. Thank you.
I imagine that while JtC is on hiatus the life of the site
can still prosper.
I’m hoping that in his absence we can continue, and possibly even grow more strongly independent.
A little financial support in addition to the continuing content can’t hurt.
[video:https://youtu.be/BSIffWFSl_4]
A good idea to contribute buckaroos
To keep the servers running.
The Atlantic Council is matching donations up to $1K
for a limited time. /s
question everything
Not to be a shithead, but, um,
where does one send donations?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The donate button...
...is on the upper left hand side of the site. If you can afford to show your appreciation for the site and JtC, please consider using it. It's time for my donation.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
That's not exactly what I meant--
I mean, does JtC want donations while he's on hiatus?
I thought the hiatus was from everything to do with this site. Is it just a hiatus from moderating/commenting/posting?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
It takes money to pay for the servers
routers and associated computing time.
Think he was saying time away from the day to day
content administrative realm?
question everything
I just don't know.
But the issue came up in a private conversation I had, with someone who had just sent their monthly donation check.
If "hiatus" just means "I'm not talking to you people for a while. Maybe a long while," that's one thing, and it makes perfect sense to send donations. If hiatus means "I'm not doing anything connected to this site, indefinitely," it's not clear at all whether we should donate, or to whom.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
WTF did I miss?!?
The Mysterious Overbeing taking a Day 7?
Vaccine-wars? CENSORSHIP??? ON HERE?!??!
I mean, I saw plenty of vaccine stuff on here, including fact-checking and fact-checking-checking...all of it fairly civil.
I saw JtC's "the site's name is Caucus99percent" thing, too...but I completely missed the ire.
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
I often have the same problem.
I tend to avoid essays and threads where it looks like there's going to be a flamewar, sometimes without even being aware I'm doing it till afterwards.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
You're assuming, therefore, that's MY problem.
I mean, I've been known to do that on other sites; it's just good sense, and not a 'problem' at all, really...
...but here, I've never seen such a thread to begin with.
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
OK. Sorry for the assumption.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
That ends up meaning
that I'm always the most surprised in any given conflict.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Is that a problem?
Innocence is power, and one of the few true universal birthrights. It is the essential building-material of progress...and note the current Crusade (historical and religious connotations very much implied) against the very concept of it!
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
You're right about that.
note the current Crusade (historical and religious connotations very much implied) against the very concept of it!
Maybe we should make a list of all the things there is currently a Crusade against. I think it would be enlightening, even to those of us who keep an eye on such things. Any given person can see something any other given person can fail to see.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
There's a thought...
FunFact: This site fails to recognize "catalogue" or "cataloguing" as proper spelling...a pity, given that if there's going to be a "most correct" way of English spelling (and I think there should be, don't get me started on the Crusade Against Language), it would have to be the Queen's English. We Yanks only rent it, right?
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
apparently, a lot of people
kept sending JtC requests to censor certain content on here.
Probably played a role in his needing a hiatus, since he seemed (understandably) very upset about it.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Censorship is a big problem,
This is part of the human condition. We all have our own perspective. If we decide to become divisive, we are no better than those we criticize.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Ah, the missing detail.
Pontifex was never more right than when he called gossip "a plague worse than COVID" (in context, he may well have said it for the wrong reasons, but it's still true); if COVID does one good thing for us (Super-Soaker baptisms notwithstanding), it should shine a light on how parasitic memes and social problems ought to be handled, and aren't...well, they are, but it's all a question of what Big Brother wants us to hear, know, and think.
Social Media has provided a superhighway for the worst features-turned-bugs in ordinary human psychology, and if they were at all sincere about combating misinformation, the best thing they could possibly do is completely delete themselves.
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
One of the things I said in the essay that vanished
is that I don't think people correctly appreciate what we've accomplished here.
To be able to stick to the triune goals of rationalism, civility and free expression, even in part and with some understandable slippages and falls from those ideals (we're only human), under social conditions like these, is astounding. To be able to stick to those things even in part, for years, is beyond astounding. How many places on the Net do you see those values in ascendance?
Having been more or less locked down for more than a year and a half, I don't know a lot about what's happening in face-to-face conversations out there, but what I do know about looks like it's starting to mirror what's happening online. Americans (and maybe others) are being trained that the modes of discourse prevalent on Twitter are the way to converse. And for all the pearl-clutching the corporate legacy media does about the horrible influences you run into online (all those neo-Nazis poisoning the minds of our innocent populace), the ironic thing is that the corporate legacy media encourages basically the same kind of discourse that Twitter does.
Another thing I said in the essay that vanished is that I, too, have often thought of quitting, because thinking and talking about politics at this point is painful and exhausting. One of the two main reasons I never quit was that there are very few places like this on the Net (or maybe anywhere).
Nothing wrong with examining our failings, but we should also be proud of our success. Right now, survival in line with one's values IS success.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Dumb clarification, if I may...
You've said a thing or two before that's implied that, but it's only natural one would assume otherwise based on an avatar like yours.
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
Yes, I am female.
Sorry for taking so long to answer--somehow this question got lost in a flood of other data.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I do not know
That said, in many of the disagreements here, I personally felt very uncomfortable about saying anything regarding the pandemic even if it did not speak to vaccinations or treatments. The bottom line is that I no longer feel welcome here to express an opinion on that subject. And now I wonder how many more subjects will be those that I have to self censor myself on. Self censorship is exactly why I left the other place. And yes, the way I feel is my own problem but it is very real and very stressful to me, so don't go bashing me for that.
CTSM, thank you for trying to address this subject. You are a far better person than me. bless you, CTSM
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Talking to my neighbor
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
@gulfgal98
I do not know
if anyone was asking JtC to censor certain people. I DO know that from the very beginning, I have been opposed to censoring ANYONE, except for someone who either threatened another member with bodily harm or doxxed another member. I was very clear in that position when I was a moderator and continue to be very clear about it even though I am no longer a part of the inner circle here.
I'm not sure who is part of the inner circle here. Are those of us who write OTs the inner circle? I really don't know.
BTW, has anybody other than JtC been moderating over the last couple of years? If not, that probably partially explains why he needs a break--nobody should carry ALL the moderation duties of even a small site.
A moderator is (among many other things) the second line of defense against trolls (both amateur and professional-grade). That means you're in a battle against people who have a couple of advantages: one, they don't care what they destroy, since destruction is kind of their job; two, the professional ones get paid a living wage (or better) to do this shit full-time.
That said, in many of the disagreements here, I personally felt very uncomfortable about saying anything regarding the pandemic even if it did not speak to vaccinations or treatments. The bottom line is that I no longer feel welcome here to express an opinion on that subject.
The only way I can respond to that, other than saying "Damn, that's shitty," is to ask "Why? What made you feel that way?" You may not be comfortable sharing specifics, and I get that, but without knowing what caused you to feel this way, I can't respond adequately. The key, for me, is this: at what point did you stop feeling "My, that person's an asshole," and start feeling "This site has no place for me?"
And now I wonder how many more subjects will be those that I have to self censor myself on. Self censorship is exactly why I left the other place.
Of course. That's why my question above matters. At what point did you start to feel, not that some people were acting like assholes, but that the site was hostile?
And yes, the way I feel is my own problem but it is very real and very stressful to me, so don't go bashing me for that.
Why would anyone do that?
CTSM, thank you for trying to address this subject. You are a far better person than me. bless you, CTSM
I don't think I am. I'm pretty sure I'm not. But you're welcome.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I missed jtc's announcement.
Please tell me where I can read it.
NYCVG
Check out his statement below....
https://caucus99percent.com/content/hiatus
We all need breaks. From my view all is fine. Let's do our best to at least act like we're considerate adults (which quite frankly I think is true of this community). However, none of us are beyond knee jerking when we react to hot button items, and JtC was usually there to calm any rudeness or shaming. He's not going to be overseeing for awhile, and I sure would be proud if we had no hot tempered exchanges during his hiatus.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Thank you, Lookout
I plan to contribute here as well as I can and see how it goes.
NYCVG
first, regarding your longr version
having disappeared into the ether after you'd apparently pressed 'publish':
i compose on a Word document, but as it's a microsoft product, it doesn't perform functions as before. but my guess is that there are similar ones out there, if you'd prefer. but you'd be able to copy/paste your content in anew.
second, managing this site for so long earns JtC a break, which is what 'hiatus' means. his covid solution was rather brilliant, as in: CC (community content) now also doubles as Covid Content.
as far as what constitutes an ad hominem attack, i was accused of it on one Black Lives diary i'd published by a (now erstwhile) member in defense of her 'favorite c99% member'. i have tried to be more circumspect in the two or threes since that time, and save my thought crimes (j/k) for those who rule and immiserate everyday citizens in this nation and around the world (including of course, compromised NGOs).
given the fact that my last vertigo crash seems to have caused my cognitive synapses to misfire ever-increasingly,coupled w/ the fact that even being online very long isn't great for my mental health...i got to asking myself if blogging ever really changed anything. i've blogged anti-Imperialism for about a dozen years now, and even though this western empire is failing now and is at its most loose-cannon dangerous psychopathic tipping point, it sure isn't down to anything i'd ever penned. : )
oh, tiddly-pom; i've forgotten another item i'd meant to say.
nice topic thank you.
it wasn't 'meant to say',
it was music i'd meant to play!
desmond dekker's 'israelites' has been part of the soundtrack playing in my head for weeks:
(israelites are black hebrews, as i understand it):
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8twFAOKZwg]
You're welcome.
I'm sorry about your health. I hope things improve, or, at the least, that you have many many days that are as good as possible under these world conditions.
As for what is and is not an ad hominem attack:
These terms can be defined, understood, and put into practice on a site like this (or in any group). But the definitions can always be questioned, not only by good-faith actors, but by trolls, operatives, griefers, etc. When bad-faith actors question those definitions, the key characteristic of their questioning is that it has no end. They don't want to reach an answer; they want to make it impossible to use those terms, because without those terms it will be impossible to maintain those social boundaries (which are inconvenient to them on many levels).
It's a great way to continue trolling, griefing, wrecking good-faith actors' ability to have a conversation. Just keep questioning the terms which define their social boundaries. Questioning is supposed to be a good thing in most independent-minded circles, which are where the discussions such trolls want most to stymie are located. When someone tries to call such bad-faith actors on their constant questioning of those definitions, the bad-faith actors can accuse that person of being authoritarian and hypocritical. And then you're off to the races, with an entire group of people, maybe even a whole site, arguing for and against the character attack the troll just made.
Honest, good-faith discussions on the Internet are often like trying to have a good conversation in the middle of a cloud of stinging gnats. It's a hell of an accomplishment to succeed as well as this site has, with all our warts.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
i guess the only places
i've witnessed anything close to troll behavior is on twitter, depending on the subject. and RT. maybe...
but aha! you've reminded me that Once Upon a Time i'd published an apology to alligator ed (may he rest in power on the other side) for being pissed at him for calling this SARS, etc. covid 'the Wu Flu', meaning to me that it was created as a bio-weapon in a lab in china.
and rather than discuss it with him: i pounced instead. zo...guilty again.
as far as my health issues, this seems to be the New Normal for me, although i have a local friend who intimates (and i'm extrapolating):
if i access my higher self often enough, i should be able to Manifest a whole brain, a new left eye with single vision (lol), and about seven new working and painfree joints. maybe she's right, but it's a pretty tall order at this point in my life.
Look, Ma! No crutches! (we call them my ponies for fun....)
another irony: mr d and i had always believed that hard work would would keep us young. duh; we'd forgotten that it would also break us down. and now he has to do a hella lot of the work i used to do, both indoors and out.
Amazon Wendy: i'd even hefted to fit 90 lb rocks in three stone stairways in our back garden. and boy, howdy, do i appreciate those river rock walls and stairways!
Blogging might not have changed anything
but your essays are always very informative. That you are still writing them with your health issues make them even more appreciative to me.
I’ve found that my memory problems have sorta gotten better since I have become an avid writer. I can remember things I’ve read longer than a few seconds now. I’ll take what I can get. Still lots of mistakes with some things, but it’s not as often. But I still laugh at some of the things I write when I re-read them. Oh well…
thank you, but your memory is
formidable! you can rattle off history, say of Russia Gate or other Memes & axioms so easily!
for me, about all i can do now is copy/paste, as i'm unable to translate a column or news flash. as with the CIA plot to kidnap julian assange authored by 'russians'. wot? (your storify was brilliant!)
wish i'd clicked in, but the other days on the msn hompepage, while retrieving my e-mail. there was a headline with Pompeo (brrrrrr and grrrrr) saying 'or maybe the chinese'. why not iran, Mike? make it a three-fer.
Well of course
That’s because the information becomes long term memory. giggle. Or maybe that is what happens? It’s short term memory that I still have a problem with. And who knows what I do daily that I forget? It still happens but since I learned why it does I don’t sweat it anymore. But when I first started commenting here I could not remember what someone said long enough to write a reply to it. I thank whoever it was that said to open replies in a new tab. Boy that saved me lots of scrolling back to the comment up the page.
Long time ago soon after the accident I had a friend who did something horrible. She made it seem that I was forgetting more things then I really was. "Did you forget again?" I don’t know why she did that, but then I found out other things about her and it made sense. But still.
Pompeo is bordering on witness intimidation by saying that he wants people charged for exposing the CIA plot against Assange. We’re doomed if he becomes president.
Abiword is a good substute on Linux
Almost any distribution should have it.
it will import word documents also. not sure about export.
But defintely save the document then copy and paste into your browser.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I use Open Office
pretty much with same results.
Can't alway depend on the inner tubes to be stable.
question everything
Yeah, it was lazy and stupid of me--
It had been a LONG time since I'd lost anything, so I just composed directly onto the site.
My bad.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
When I've lost essays,
it is because I failed to SAVE. I'll PREVIEW and think that's good, and hit PUBLISH rather than SAVE. As a result only what has been saved before will appear as the essay, and you can't get your current work back. I did that two weeks in a row before I really learned my lesson.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Whoa! I didn't realize that at all, at all!
Thanks, knowing that fixes the problem (although, come to think of it, I think I *did* hit save once before I hit "publish"--but regardless, this is a Very Good Thing to Know.)
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
When I do that
I can usually just go back one page and the original essay/comment is still there as long as I don’t close the tab. Try it next time.
i'll try to remember ™
to look into it. the thing i used to like about Word was that it was possible to Create a Hyperlink within the document; no mo', and it really slows down the work.
Simple solution to the Covid essays
If you don’t like what is discussed in them then feel free to skip them. This has been a long standing unwritten sorta rule going back to ToP. If you do read the essays then just follow the written rule. DBAD. You might not find anything of interest in them, but others do. I for one am thankful for all the information I find in them that keeps me updated.
JtC has asked us to quit calling people anti vax because no one knows how people really stand on that issue. Questioning the vaccines and their safety shouldn’t mean that people are anti vax. It means that they have some questions. Talking about early treatments also doesn’t mean that they are anti vax either.
Heh..guess we don’t have to worry about Bezos flying off into space after this planet is destroyed.
Thread. It’s a good one.
"So this billionaire "space race" is nothing more than a dick-measuring contest between Musk, Bezos, and Branson. They are not investing billions to forward science or the bounds of human possibility. They are doing it to be the first rich guy to bounce around uselessly up there."
T-Hee
"And it's utterly despicable when you understand that they're funding it with the hoarded wealth of workers who are struggling just to exist. With ill-gotten money made from supply chains that enslave people and are destroying the future possibility of life on earth."
But do the billionaires really believe that?
Not that it matters much, I guess, but you know how they think they're indestructible (except via a populist left-wing revolution, which they've pretty much made impossible via their expanded weapons and surveillance tech.)
They probably *do* think they can escape to space.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
What a great thread on Twitter.
Things like that almost make me rethink my resolve never to participate there again (I actually cancelled my account years ago).
To sum up, "In space, no-one can hear you bloviate."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Ha
The other thing to point out is that they are using information that NASA and us have paid trillions for. It’s not like they started from scratch and just built a rocket and learned to fly it.
The tweet I liked was the one saying that they could only do that because they stole money from their workers to get that rich. I’ll add plus all the tax breaks and subsidies they get after paying congress to rewrite the rules.
Absolutely correct.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The ending…
in case this is the end
just wanted to say thanks to JtC and all others who made c99 so great.
I really hope it isn't.
And, frankly, if a majority of people around here resolve that it won't be the end of our conversations, then it won't be.
In any case, Lookout and others, as they've expressed on here, believe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill, and I hope they're right, so I'm going to proceed on that assumption.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver