NOW it is even more apparent why they wanted us to give up! BOOM!
Submitted by geebeebee on Sun, 03/27/2016 - 10:30am
Glad that didn't work!
I think most of us knew, when we embarked on our Bernie Sanders journey, that if he ever got close, it would get very, very ugly from the powers-that-be. I have never been prouder of a group of people in America than I am now, that we are not being deterred.
When this is all over, win or lose win, we will look back and be amazed. But now is not the time for that. We have them scared, and it's time to keep them on the run!
Let's do this!
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Sorry! Published that before intending to!
I'll get this down eventually!
I know!
You meant to take out the "win or lose" part, right?
LOL!
You're right!
It's perfect now.
And, I love looking at that graphic.
Thank you, geebeebee!
The good thing here
is that it is very easy to edit your essay after you publish, and you can even edit comments to correct typos etc.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Yes, it is!
Thankfully, with all the mistakes I tend to make!
Even on proofread
I tend to miss my mistakes. I know what I wrote, dammit!
There is no such thing as TMI. It can always be held in reserve for extortion.
One of many
Best software ever. Even the lack of a reply notification function isn't entirely negative, though I understand that one turned out trickier than expected.
Stay on track. Stay in lane. Don't throw rocks.
I'm just waiting until I can
I'm just waiting until I can edit other people's comments! Then i'm set.
Any trick
to editing comments?
Oh! Thought you guys might enjoy this
Look at traffic at TOP since the brilliant "decision":
GO BERNIE! VOTE BERNIE!
What you've say is so so very true, geebeebee!!!!
“I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell.”
― Harry Truman
No disrespect to the South, but...
living in Washington state our family was extremely annoyed that the country was being told that the South would determine who our next President should be. Obviously, those early voters that came out for HRC in the first primaries think HRC will be our next President...I disagree.
BTW, geebeebee....soooo glad you are here.
I agree totally
and thanks for the kind words! Glad to be here!
Hillary Clinton using the 'Southern Strategy'
The Democratic party has tried to ram the Southern Strategy down everyone's throats for Hillary Clinton.
Here's to holding out some hope that she does not permanently benefit from its usage and give her the win for the nomination.
i'm from the old south
technically that includes flori-duh, but i am clueless how central florida can put an alan grayson in office, and then you get the 70/30 numbers for the hilllary/bernie votes in the primary. previously grayson had generated his own voting numbers, it was an 80 percent bernie smack-down, that poor gal was crushed absolutely, but then the official numbers were totally reversed. and i know south florida had to have better numbers close to that for bernie. methinks something was very foul in the air, and i'm not talking red tide/fish kill in the estuaries and lagoons down here. which is very real and very concerning starting last week.
hillary wins where the rethugs are strongest, i've seen this movie before.
Quite possible, but there's also this:
Florida has a closed primary.
Florida has a lot of seniors, and age has been the most consistent metric to predict Hillary support so far. I am at a loss as to why. Why, why, do Boomers like her so much? The only thing that would keep her from cutting Social Security is the fact that a lot of Republicans hate her, esp on the Tea Party end of things (she actually gets along OK w/the non-Tea-party Repubs, a fact she keeps touting as a reason to support her.)
A lot of the Latinos in FL are getting heavily Hillary-leaning messaging in Spanish-only TV. That Monroe Doctrine shit apparently still works on a lot of folks here. It blows my mind that hatred of Castro can still determine which candidate to vote for--for anybody under the age of 65. And maybe it doesn't! I haven't looked at the age breakdown in the Latino vote in FL.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Boomers
As a died in the wool, never denied it, and proud of it over 65 female boomer...there is not one boomer I know of that supports Hillary. It goes beyond my chosen circle of friends. Living in the south of course is a huge factor but this plays out with all the people I know across the country. I really think there is a significant chink in her armor, it grows with each primary and every Bernie speech. Can't wait to see the armor crumble completely. Yes, as a boomer I still like that instant gratification
Agreed.
THIS Boomer is not even considering a vote for Clinton....ever.
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Same here ...
I'm a 64 year old Boomer ... but every Boomer I know, including myself, are big fans of Bernie. In my experience, it is more my parent's generation that seems to be big on Clinton, or is still clinging to the Republican party.
"Long term: first the rich get mean, then the poor get mean, and the rest is history." My brother Rob.
I'm 61, and no one I know thinks,
another Clinton is the answer to our problems...
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Boomer here too 64 yrs
I think it's a combination of age and economics. Once the draft ended a huge chunk of the hippie vote turned yuppie. The ones who partook of the system by now are doing fairly well and don't want to rock the boat. The top 25% doesn't mind the 1% getting more than is fair. The boomers who put their values over making money are mostly poorer and are excited about Bernie, but having been disappointed so many times in the past are cautious in their support. I speak in generalizations of course.
Just joined here today. Looking at the members list feels like a reunion! The few people I followed at the TOP have been mostly banned over the years, and now I don't wonder where they are.
“The longer we dwell on our misfortunes, the greater is their power to harm us”
― Voltaire
Boomers
Another boomer here ,but I don't believe that they like hrc they just don't know Bernie because most get their info from msm and we all know how that works.They just hear socialist and in our age group that means bad USSR.If you can get them to know Bernie they are like the rest of us they like him too. If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed! Mark Twain
When I run into a fellow Sr. who
it afraid of the word "Socialist" I ask to see their Social Security card...Then I congratulate them on being a "Card carrying Socialist".... LOL!
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Brilliant.
Why do Boomers like her?
I think it's more that Bernie Sanders and Baby Boomers aren't even speaking the same language.
For example, when Boomers went to college, college was much cheaper. When they got their first jobs, wages--in real dollars--were higher than they are now. When they bought their first houses, real estate cost far less. Sure, they hear the kids complaining about this stuff, but they didn't live through it themselves. Bernie's message may be tailored to a specific generation more than any candidate in memory.
Plus, they came of political age at a time when Republicans were ascendant and Democrats were getting wiped out (McGovern, Mondale.) I think that once your political outlook is determined by fear, that fear is hard to shake. Those false comparisons the Clinton people like to make between Sanders and McGovern really strike a nerve with them.
No offense, of course, to any Boomers on this site. You're the ones who see through the bullshit!
"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum." --Noam Chomsky
I'm a boomer
I have despised the Clintons for a long, long time. The only contemporary of mine that I know who's planning to vote for Hillary is a Republican. Which figures.
Twain Disciple
You make a good point here, movie buff.
I would just add one additional "filter": empathy. Boomers who have it can feel the pain of youngsters nowadays. Boomers who don't can't figure out what on earth the youngsters are complaining about!
I think that ties in directly to support for Bernie. Cripes, I skated my way through college ... twice. Once on a scholarship, then once more with a part-time job and a very small bank loan (that was paid off within 6 months of my graduation). I look at my next door neighbor's high-school aged boy, and know that I had it EASY. His parents agonize about how they are going to afford to send him and his brother to college ... and they started saving for it when the boys were born, for crying out loud!
That's why this Boomer supports Bernie because it's perfectly obvious to me that kids nowadays aren't catching any of the breaks I caught when I was young. And it really pisses me off.
"Long term: first the rich get mean, then the poor get mean, and the rest is history." My brother Rob.
"Generation Jones" and college
1958 model here.
I'm one of those who had to ditch college after starting it, because wages had gone down in real terms, everything else had gone through the roof, and college funding schemes for us non-rich hadn't yet caught up with the new reality. This is a common problem amongst Jonesers (birthdates between 1955 and 1959). Get much younger than us, kids know the maelstrom they're steering towards and, chances are, have been planning for it. Much older than us, and their college experiences more resemble yours.
Alan Grayson said that college should be a joy. It was little else to me but pain and horror.
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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
This Baby Boomer at age 66
can't stand her. I also don't live in Florida. For the most part that's still our parents generation. From the people I know it's mainly the Boomer parents and the generation just after us that supports her. The generation below that can't stand her either.
I think you're misplacing much of the blame here.
The polls show a pretty strong "stairstep" effect
Support for Clinton increases steadily with age:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/where-sanders-and-clinton-are-dominating
"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum." --Noam Chomsky
Hey now Bob, i like you and all but..
I'm 57, you're 66 and your post got my dander up a bit. And it's just factually wrong.
It's not MY generations fault, everyone knows its our parents and the generation just behind mine that deserves the blame.
It's always been so
With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU
I blame the gen after mine
(59 yo) and the one after that. Hell, I'm even willing to blame the generation not yet born if it releases me of culpability.
There is no such thing as TMI. It can always be held in reserve for extortion.
BTW
As a longhaired freaky person, I enjoyed the Signs.
There is no such thing as TMI. It can always be held in reserve for extortion.
Your generation signed an affidavit
swearing that you were responsible for at least 50% of the Hillary love and have created 75% of the Hillbot sock puppets on DKos. Let's see, I have that affidavit here somewhere. Damn, I guess the cat ate it.
Love your Avatar Bob... ;-) n/t
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It wasn't the cat
It was Hillary's new bird. quickly chosen after Bernie called for a debate in N.Y.
That's right, the chicken ate the affidavits!
With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU
Come on now,
everyone knows that you're supposed to blame all the world's problems on millennials! Unless you are a millennial, in which case you have to be a douchebag to everyone older than you and reinforce the stereotypes that often litter columns in the NYT about how terrible we millennials are.
My best guess?
I suspect it correlates to where you get your information. I think that if you get your information from MSM then you simply don't know much about what's going on in the world... Fox News syndrome but for everyone. I think that if you tend to get your information from the internet then you're at least exposed to some semblance of reality although you still have to check your sources carefully.
How many people who get their information from MSM do you think understand what really happened in Libya? How about Honduras? How many understand the results of NAFTA or welfare reform? How many understand what's going on right now with drone bombings or, for that matter, have any idea how militaristic the US is across the globe? These are all things that you won't find on MSM.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Let us not forget that....
the MSM and their polls are the ones "reporting" this thing about the Boomers supporting Clinton in overwhelming numbers...
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i've read that the younger cuban-americans are not voting
staunch rethug like the previous generation. whether it's a hillary thing now, i have no clue.
also, many moons ago, circa 2002, when janet reno ran for gov of florida, against another dem, i was at her birthday party / political rally at home in kendall. i got my picture with janet next to her staghorn fern in backyard patio. anyway i saw a number of cuban-americans for janet at same place, they were there supporting her way back then. yeah, the same janet which helped bring elian gonzalez back to his father, elian was basically kidnapped in nov 1999 by political opportunists/supposed family in hialeah. it took some serious courage and expertise to get that situation resolved without any dead bodies falling on the streets of miami back then.
i do recall some accusations of florida voting anomolies even in that election.
this florida voting is getting to be a chronic condition, as far as i can tell, it's just getting harder and harder to detect, i suppose. are we ever gonna get paper ballots and do old-fashioned hand-counts like they do in canada and other respectable democratic countries.
As a new septuagenerian & first year Baby Boomer...
... I must let you know that not all Baby Boomers like Hillary much. Some of us deplore her positions on various issues and there are NO circumstances under which we/I would vote for Hillary. My 70th birthday gift to myself, so to speak, was the decision of never voting "for" the lesser of two evils again, and voting my conscience in the future. I've always had a guilty conscience for voting "for" the lesser of two evils in the past, and I'm done with that miserable feeling.
Well, likely some Baby Boomers are low-information voters with an IQ no higher than a rock and a lemming follower mentality, and they are the ones who like her. Thanks, but I am not in that category (and I know what my IQ is).
I'm voluntarily in the Bernie or Bust category. If Bernie's name is not on the ballot this fall, I will write in his name. I knew that within milliseconds of Bernie's declaring himself a candidate for president. I've always been more than a little suspicious of these "too close to call" races over the last quarter of a century; those totals are too easy to manipulate, especially with hanging chads, voter disenfranchisement, and e-voting machines. In fact, since I've been getting his Bernie Buzz newsletter for many years after following Bernie's career in the Senate (and earlier with old YouTube videos), I once wrote and urged him to run for president a couple of years ago. Bernie's message consistency combined with his ethics and morals feel "just right" to my ears.
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960
My 93 yr old aunt, a lifelong Democratic, living in W.Palm Beach
was turned away - even though she registered as a Democrat and has voted in recent elections, her party affiliation had been changed in the system to Independent. Same for my 95 yr old uncle. She fussed a bit but in the end they left without voting for the first time ever.
UGH!
Just terrible.
I bet we would pass out if we knew how often this happened, and I have a (shocking) feeling that it tended to screw Bernie.
It appears DNC/Hillary has had a strategy (AZ an obvious example) to get out the absentee vote heavy, and then make it a mess to vote on election day. Sadly, I think it worked wonders for her.
The Clintons are putrid, and the DNC is just as bad. Just gross.
In this case not so bad
She was planning on voting for Hillary, even after I reminded her that her union-organizer dad would not have been pleased.
I hadn't heard that that happened in Florida, too.
So we've got Arizona, New York, and now Florida. Did we hear about this is North Carolina?
Liberal, Jewish Florida friends
voted for Hillary because they thought Bernie couldn't accomplish anything. Highly, highly educated folks.
Isn't Florida where DWS is holed up?
Just saying. I mean, remember when Jeb! was Governor down there and gosh darn it...the state was "called" for his big brother?
Well done is better than well said-Ben Franklin
AB gave $$ to the other guy yesterday
Even if it was a choice between DWS and Typhoid Mary, it wouldn't be a toss-up.
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I was upset too and
I live in the South. No one area of the country should have a head start on the rest of the country in determining who our nominee will be.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
This is another something we need to
work on for the NEXT election... which, primary or caucus...and ALL on the same day.
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All on the same day and ...
we wouldn't even be talking about Bernie now. He'd have been toast long ago. Time and exposure are his advantages, not Hillary's.
It does have certain advantages though...
"A Fool's Bolt is Soon Shot."
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This country has so many stupid ways
To screw up elections. Why can't we do this stuff all at once? And make the east coast start later, give everybody the day off.
Stay on track. Stay in lane. Don't throw rocks.
Great ideas!
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If the South is going to determine the Democratic
nominee, they will be doing it without any help at all from me.
I know some people will disagree with me, but I do hold grudges. I'm done voting for the lesser of two evils. I've voted for Democrats my whole life just because they had a "D" after their name. That ends now.
If the Southern states want to choose our Democratic nominee, they had better get their butts in gear and donate and make phone calls and GOTV. I will have no part of that. It's just wrong.
Last night
I posted a small worry about Hawaii. That it probably had a lot of Obama fans, and so might go for the establishment candidate. Glad to be so completely wrong!
I was more worried about Alaska.
Sarah Palin country, after all. I'm glad I was wrong too.
This shit is bananas.
Alaska had me worried, too....
And for the same reason. I wondered if they'd go with the freak show that is The Donald, or if they'd go with the religious freak, Canadian-born Cruz, or the corporatist-banking freak Hillary.
Glad to see they went for Bernie in such a big way!
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960
And the propaganda continues...
"In all cases delegates are awarded proportionally, so Clinton will still pick up delegates in contests she loses. Overall, however, her roughly 300-delegate lead over Sanders may be reduced."
Sorry. My phone seems incapable of pasting two things into the same post. This quote seemed the most shocking to me of the coverage from what once was a great news outlet, the Washington Post. They kinda forgot to add the key phrase at the end of this quote, "...by more than 20%."
He spent millions. Hillary paid no attention. Jane and Tulsi worked Hawaii. The friggin Amazonia Post did everything beyond suggest that states bordering the Pacific, with their views of Russia from their houses and all, we're not actually part of the United States.
WAPO
WAPO has been corporate/right wing for decades!! I was born in DC, and learned how to read with it. That was back in the stone age when it was a REAL newspaper. It's a slick bad joke now. I am so damned tickled pink for the Bernster. That little feathered Oregonian definitely was some sort of kosmik sign!!
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
At this point... I'm starting to wonder...
Why the West Coast Tech Industry is carrying the East Coast Financial Industry.
Perhaps being a part of the US and having an asshole Uncle like Wall Street bumming money off us all the time isn't such a great idea.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Cascadia. The first step is to see it...
Lovely to grab some Canadian real estate from Vancouver north into the Sunshine Coast to form the sustainable new nation-state, too. Though I doubt they'd be interested unless young Trudeau suddenly turns right and they lose their health care (which differs by province).
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
Give up before the end, that seems to be the Democratic
Party moto these days, why should we be different
My state hasn't voted yet.
The very serious Democrats who denounce voter suppression want to end the primaries while the chosen one is in the lead. So much for democracy.
It's so good to see the Boom Back!
And good to see all your enthusiastic words again!
It's so friendly over here toward the issues and causes that are the core of progress!
Best!
The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
George Washington
Thanks so much!
We aren't giving up after all this!
It's been a wild ride.
I'm guessing my little state will be in play, now. That thrills me. Maybe Bernie or Jane will come.
We're doing this. Believe it.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I live in a little state also. Ct. How little is yours? eom
Don't believe everything you think.
hester, I replied below.
Operator error.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Moving forward
We've gained almost 100 delegates on Clinton this week
After the WA, HI and AK caucuses, the delegate deficit has dropped to 226.
Bern HILL LEAD AVAILABLE LEAD AS PERCENT
MARCH 25 934 1228 294 1889 15.56%
MARCH 26 1039 1265 226 1747 13.05%
Bernie picked up 105 delegates yesterday.
So this week we went from 320 delegate behind to 226. Still much to do, but we made excellent progress.
Another helpful graph of remaining delegates
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Small in population, hester
sorry to mislead you. I'm in New Mexico, population maybe two million. Vast area, high desert, last in every economic area, or near last. A rethug do-nothing governor. Re-elected. Sheesh!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
A few years ago I visited
White Sands and Carlsbad Caverns. Just beautiful. I loved New Mexico! Hoping Bernie does well there!
Do you have contact with
Dallas Doc or The Fat Lady Sings? Like DD, the latter was an incredible diarist on Daily Kos. But she dropped out. I e-mailed her to alert her to caucus99percent. Hope she joins us.
I donated to Bernie again today
on Act Blue. Can't afford to donate, can't afford to not donate. If you have spare change, I'm guessing Bernie could use it.
I couldn't agree more.
After coming this far, we don't want money to be the reason Bernie falls short!
Thanks for contributing, especially since you can't afford it!
Donate if you can...
but I don't think Bernie wants you to come up short in your monthly budget. Give what you are able, not as much as you want. We're doing great and we're in it to win!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Donated $50 yesterday in addition to...
my monthly donation.
Go Bernie!
I get paid tomorrow
and I intend to donate again.
This shit is bananas.
I'm in a small state, too. Nebraska
And count me in as another person who was pissed as hell that the Southern vote was shouted from the roof tops as the only vote that mattered.
The ONLY time that my vote matters in the Presidential election is during the primary and I take it very seriously. I'm not sure that YouKnowWho from TOP could have made me angrier about this election than casting aside my vote as inconsequential.
I as well. Kansas.
This year's caucus was the most fun (and, obviously, it's not even close) I've ever had involving politics in fucking Kansas!
Fucking, Kansas
people fuck in Kansas? /snark
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Clinton did not win
a single county in three states yesterday - only in the USA could this be seen as anything other than complete and utter humiliation and complete rejection of the Dem side of the Establishment.
This is not nuanced.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
He may very well have won every precinct
in Washington. I know this was the case at my caucus location.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020
Stunning results
I have never heard of presumptive 'winners' having no regions that support them in a single state let alone three. If the media weren't complicit this would be all over the news.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Cenk versus Bernie and Hillary
I believe we should help keep the pressure on both the DNC and HRC's supporters. To facilitate that, I've posted this "make them better candidates" diary at that other place. Certain people have already bristled. Of course there is zero chance that DNC or HRC would ever agree to such a debate, but a big sig list helps put pressure.
geebeebee, Thanks for your post here, and I hope you will excuse this slightly OT comment.
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IMHO, Bernie is getting better every day.
Calling for "World Peace"? That's been on my wish list since day one, and one of my major misgivings about voting for Bernie.
It's effectively a "FUCK YOU" to the MIC, and made my year.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
I never thought I would hear
a serious contender for any major office in the US say that. But I LOVED it.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Honestly
I teared up when he said that about the bird.
Post it here as well, please.
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