While I am glad that we have a venue for amateur citizen commentary, I have never felt that the ability to make and post a podcast makes the word of the "star" of that podcast more significant than the word of any other citizen. I am seldom able to watch or listen for more than a minute. I wonder even more when silencing the speech of others is the stated goal of the "star" of the podcast.
But, seriously, folks, for better or worse, rants demanding that I (or anyone) "shut the fuck up" tend to have the opposite effect on me.
While I am glad that we have a venue for amateur citizen commentary, I have never felt that the ability to make and post a podcast makes the word of the "star" of that podcast more significant than the word of any other citizen. I am seldom able to watch or listen for more than a minute. I wonder even more when silencing the speech of others is the stated goal of the "star" of the podcast.
But, seriously, folks, for better or worse, rants demanding that I (or anyone) "shut the fuck up" tend to have the opposite effect on me.
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Obviously, I agree and add that it is not only an "oops," but a closed-minded and authoritarian one at that. I did not listen for long--almost never do in the case of videos--viewing takes too long, but at least her initial statements agree with my view that the French demonstrations were not about only the fuel increase--although the demonstrations ended after the fuel increase was abandoned after some bad online stuff that could have been begun by anyone, including the French government. (A woman died during the demonstrations, too, so it's not clear what actually stopped the demonstrations.)
Like this woman,I don't think the protests were about only the fuel increase. I would love to see the demonstrations take off worldwide as a protest against squeezing the middle class while starving the poor to death, but how that jibes with her "shut the fuck up" to those of us who see it broadly, as she does, I really can't say. However, I would never suggest that someone who disagrees with me on that point--or any point--to shut the fuck up. Not only do I welcome push back, but I sometimes learn from it as well--and I love that.
BTW, is the "star" of this video practicing what she angrily urges others to do before they, in her eyes, earn the right to speak? Was she over in France, demonstrating on the streets with the yellow vests?
While I am glad that we have a venue for amateur citizen commentary, I have never felt that the ability to make and post a podcast makes the word of the "star" of that podcast more significant than the word of any other citizen. I am seldom able to watch or listen for more than a minute. I wonder even more when silencing the speech of others is the stated goal of the "star" of the podcast.
But, seriously, folks, for better or worse, rants demanding that I (or anyone) "shut the fuck up" tend to have the opposite effect on me.
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can manage to listen to her--and, apparently, you can--and you read the post of mine to which I linked, you may (should?) see that gramma and I agree about the yellow vest demonstrations far more than we disagree. (Whether the demonstrators themselves would agree with her and me is another issue.)
The one and only bone that I picked with her is telling anyone to STFU. On that, I stand with Pricknick. And the Framers. And the entire Bill of Rights. And the ACLU. And against rightist authoritarianism. Heck, even the damnably rightist Rehnquist Court was far enough left to protect the First Amendment aggressively.
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believe that it is perfectly reasonable at certain times.
such as, for example, when another person is asserting any sort of inherent superiority -- but particularly, superiority in entitlement to political power -- over another person or group of people, founded on, say:
Ethnicity
Religion
"Race", whatever that might be
etc.
Since such persons are arguing, in fact, a birthright entitlement to be the boss of other people, and to have privilege of various sorts over other people, based only on nonsensical fantasies, the only appropriate response is to tell them to STFU. (Well, if they're actually in the process of executing that power over one's own self, a more appropriate, and entirely ethical, response would probably be to put a bullet between their eyes.)
There are points at which the principles of civil discourse simply don't hold anymore -- sort of like when "normal" physics starts to break down at really high energies.
But beyond such clear examples -- someone deliberately using discourse in an attempt to grab unwarranted authority and power over other someones -- I don't have a problem with telling someone shut the fuck up if they really do not know what they're talking about. We can have an authentic argument over what the Civil War was "really about". We cannot have an authentic argument over whether Cleopatra was "African" (in the sense of having recent African ancestry). She didn't. She was Greek. Any persons who want to have an argument with me about that -- or more to the point, who want to use the claim that Cleopatra was "African" in support of some other argument -- should shut the fuck up, because they don't know what they're talking about. So, yeah, they should go get a clue before continuing with their nonsense -- because spewing ignorance-based blather out into the memosphere is an unethical violation of the social contract.
While I am glad that we have a venue for amateur citizen commentary, I have never felt that the ability to make and post a podcast makes the word of the "star" of that podcast more significant than the word of any other citizen. I am seldom able to watch or listen for more than a minute. I wonder even more when silencing the speech of others is the stated goal of the "star" of the podcast.
But, seriously, folks, for better or worse, rants demanding that I (or anyone) "shut the fuck up" tend to have the opposite effect on me.
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seems to be the response of Wink's favorite you "toober" to those who don't see the French yellow vest protestors exactly as she does. Even as to things with which I vehemently disagree, my knee jerk is to move on silently or to respond substantively, not to tell the other person to STFU. Maybe I've just read too many Supreme Court cases about the First Amendment to take an authoritarian approach to speech.
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believe that it is perfectly reasonable at certain times.
such as, for example, when another person is asserting any sort of inherent superiority -- but particularly, superiority in entitlement to political power -- over another person or group of people, founded on, say:
Ethnicity
Religion
"Race", whatever that might be
etc.
Since such persons are arguing, in fact, a birthright entitlement to be the boss of other people, and to have privilege of various sorts over other people, based only on nonsensical fantasies, the only appropriate response is to tell them to STFU. (Well, if they're actually in the process of executing that power over one's own self, a more appropriate, and entirely ethical, response would probably be to put a bullet between their eyes.)
There are points at which the principles of civil discourse simply don't hold anymore -- sort of like when "normal" physics starts to break down at really high energies.
But beyond such clear examples -- someone deliberately using discourse in an attempt to grab unwarranted authority and power over other someones -- I don't have a problem with telling someone shut the fuck up if they really do not know what they're talking about. We can have an authentic argument over what the Civil War was "really about". We cannot have an authentic argument over whether Cleopatra was "African" (in the sense of having recent African ancestry). She didn't. She was Greek. Any persons who want to have an argument with me about that -- or more to the point, who want to use the claim that Cleopatra was "African" in support of some other argument -- should shut the fuck up, because they don't know what they're talking about. So, yeah, they should go get a clue before continuing with their nonsense -- because spewing ignorance-based blather out into the memosphere is an unethical violation of the social contract.
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believe that it is perfectly reasonable at certain times.
such as, for example, when another person is asserting any sort of inherent superiority -- but particularly, superiority in entitlement to political power -- over another person or group of people, founded on, say:
Ethnicity
Religion
"Race", whatever that might be
etc.
Since such persons are arguing, in fact, a birthright entitlement to be the boss of other people, and to have privilege of various sorts over other people, based only on nonsensical fantasies, the only appropriate response is to tell them to STFU. (Well, if they're actually in the process of executing that power over one's own self, a more appropriate, and entirely ethical, response would probably be to put a bullet between their eyes.)
There are points at which the principles of civil discourse simply don't hold anymore -- sort of like when "normal" physics starts to break down at really high energies.
But beyond such clear examples -- someone deliberately using discourse in an attempt to grab unwarranted authority and power over other someones -- I don't have a problem with telling someone shut the fuck up if they really do not know what they're talking about. We can have an authentic argument over what the Civil War was "really about". We cannot have an authentic argument over whether Cleopatra was "African" (in the sense of having recent African ancestry). She didn't. She was Greek. Any persons who want to have an argument with me about that -- or more to the point, who want to use the claim that Cleopatra was "African" in support of some other argument -- should shut the fuck up, because they don't know what they're talking about. So, yeah, they should go get a clue before continuing with their nonsense -- because spewing ignorance-based blather out into the memosphere is an unethical violation of the social contract.
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If you need somebody wearing a hoodie indoors to tell you what you think.
That's Tube lube.
I get to stompin in my air force ones.
[video:https://youtu.be/BfzsMQGqrt0]
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Among many other things, who decides when you bot a clue and therefore should speak or that you do not manage to get a clue and therefore should STFU? Only someone who thinks exactly as you do?
is closer. by about 15 mins. @Azazello
Including the border stop. {sigh}
But, Steven D lives there!
My sister 25 mins. away in Victor (fancy schmancy suburb).
Thanks for the tip, Az!
How far are you from Rochester ?
Looks like you can get some decent Mexican food there now: Arizona Daily Star
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Gee, thanks, Wink.
https://caucus99percent.com/comment/385129#comment-385129
While I am glad that we have a venue for amateur citizen commentary, I have never felt that the ability to make and post a podcast makes the word of the "star" of that podcast more significant than the word of any other citizen. I am seldom able to watch or listen for more than a minute. I wonder even more when silencing the speech of others is the stated goal of the "star" of the podcast.
But, seriously, folks, for better or worse, rants demanding that I (or anyone) "shut the fuck up" tend to have the opposite effect on me.
That
...........
is an oops.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
What is?
Telling anybody
to stfu.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Ah, thank you for the clarification.
Obviously, I agree and add that it is not only an "oops," but a closed-minded and authoritarian one at that. I did not listen for long--almost never do in the case of videos--viewing takes too long, but at least her initial statements agree with my view that the French demonstrations were not about only the fuel increase--although the demonstrations ended after the fuel increase was abandoned after some bad online stuff that could have been begun by anyone, including the French government. (A woman died during the demonstrations, too, so it's not clear what actually stopped the demonstrations.)
Like this woman,I don't think the protests were about only the fuel increase. I would love to see the demonstrations take off worldwide as a protest against squeezing the middle class while starving the poor to death, but how that jibes with her "shut the fuck up" to those of us who see it broadly, as she does, I really can't say. However, I would never suggest that someone who disagrees with me on that point--or any point--to shut the fuck up. Not only do I welcome push back, but I sometimes learn from it as well--and I love that.
BTW, is the "star" of this video practicing what she angrily urges others to do before they, in her eyes, earn the right to speak? Was she over in France, demonstrating on the streets with the yellow vests?
I agree with gramma.
but whatever works...
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Actually, if you compare what gramma says--assuming you
can manage to listen to her--and, apparently, you can--and you read the post of mine to which I linked, you may (should?) see that gramma and I agree about the yellow vest demonstrations far more than we disagree. (Whether the demonstrators themselves would agree with her and me is another issue.)
The one and only bone that I picked with her is telling anyone to STFU. On that, I stand with Pricknick. And the Framers. And the entire Bill of Rights. And the ACLU. And against rightist authoritarianism. Heck, even the damnably rightist Rehnquist Court was far enough left to protect the First Amendment aggressively.
generally, it's not a great tactic, but i nonetheless
believe that it is perfectly reasonable at certain times.
such as, for example, when another person is asserting any sort of inherent superiority -- but particularly, superiority in entitlement to political power -- over another person or group of people, founded on, say:
Ethnicity
Religion
"Race", whatever that might be
etc.
Since such persons are arguing, in fact, a birthright entitlement to be the boss of other people, and to have privilege of various sorts over other people, based only on nonsensical fantasies, the only appropriate response is to tell them to STFU. (Well, if they're actually in the process of executing that power over one's own self, a more appropriate, and entirely ethical, response would probably be to put a bullet between their eyes.)
There are points at which the principles of civil discourse simply don't hold anymore -- sort of like when "normal" physics starts to break down at really high energies.
But beyond such clear examples -- someone deliberately using discourse in an attempt to grab unwarranted authority and power over other someones -- I don't have a problem with telling someone shut the fuck up if they really do not know what they're talking about. We can have an authentic argument over what the Civil War was "really about". We cannot have an authentic argument over whether Cleopatra was "African" (in the sense of having recent African ancestry). She didn't. She was Greek. Any persons who want to have an argument with me about that -- or more to the point, who want to use the claim that Cleopatra was "African" in support of some other argument -- should shut the fuck up, because they don't know what they're talking about. So, yeah, they should go get a clue before continuing with their nonsense -- because spewing ignorance-based blather out into the memosphere is an unethical violation of the social contract.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Thank you. In the context of a thread about that video, "STFU"
seems to be the response of Wink's favorite you "toober" to those who don't see the French yellow vest protestors exactly as she does. Even as to things with which I vehemently disagree, my knee jerk is to move on silently or to respond substantively, not to tell the other person to STFU. Maybe I've just read too many Supreme Court cases about the First Amendment to take an authoritarian approach to speech.
Agree. n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Tube Lube.
If you need somebody wearing a hoodie indoors to tell you what you think.
That's Tube lube.
I get to stompin in my air force ones.
[video:https://youtu.be/BfzsMQGqrt0]
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
right gramma - you too /nt
https://www.euronews.com/live
I love that lady, she can be my kids gramma anytime!
She nailed it. Get a fucking clue or STFU.
Agree she nails it! n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
I'm glad that the Framers thought very differently.
Among many other things, who decides when you bot a clue and therefore should speak or that you do not manage to get a clue and therefore should STFU? Only someone who thinks exactly as you do?
Hey Wink ...
How far are you from Rochester ?
Looks like you can get some decent Mexican food there now: Arizona Daily Star
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
Sadly, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
is closer. by about 15 mins.
Including the border stop. {sigh}
But, Steven D lives there!
My sister 25 mins. away in Victor (fancy schmancy suburb).
Thanks for the tip, Az!
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.