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Climate Change/Global Warming is rapidly killing our planet.

There is almost no mention of climate Change in the MSM and people are not talking about it. Right wingers in Redding, CA are sure there is no connection between Climate Change and the 200K+ acres that are still burning there.

On the other hand, today's New York Times Magazine has a long article on Climate Change that is well worth reading.

The world has warmed more than one degree Celsius since the Industrial Revolution. The Paris climate agreement — the nonbinding, unenforceable and already unheeded treaty signed on Earth Day in 2016 — hoped to restrict warming to two degrees. The odds of succeeding, according to a recent study based on current emissions trends, are one in 20. If by some miracle we are able to limit warming to two degrees, we will only have to negotiate the extinction of the world’s tropical reefs, sea-level rise of several meters and the abandonment of the Persian Gulf. The climate scientist James Hansen has called two-degree warming “a prescription for long-term disaster.” Long-term disaster is now the best-case scenario. Three-degree warming is a prescription for short-term disaster: forests in the Arctic and the loss of most coastal cities. Robert Watson, a former director of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, has argued that three-degree warming is the realistic minimum. Four degrees: Europe in permanent drought; vast areas of China, India and Bangladesh claimed by desert; Polynesia swallowed by the sea; the Colorado River thinned to a trickle; the American Southwest largely uninhabitable. The prospect of a five-degree warming has prompted some of the world’s leading climate scientists to warn of the end of human civilization.
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Like most human questions, the carbon-dioxide question will come down to fear. At some point, the fears of young people will overwhelm the fears of the old. Some time after that, the young will amass enough power to act. It will be too late to avoid some catastrophes, but perhaps not others. Humankind is nothing if not optimistic, even to the point of blindness. We are also an adaptable species. That will help.

The distant perils of climate change are no longer very distant, however. Many have already begun to occur. We are capable of good works, altruism and wisdom, and a growing number of people have devoted their lives to helping civilization avoid the worst. We have a solution in hand: carbon taxes, increased investment in renewable and nuclear energy and decarbonization technology. As Jim Hansen told me, “From a technology and economics standpoint, it is still readily possible to stay under two degrees Celsius.” We can trust the technology and the economics. It’s harder to trust human nature. Keeping the planet to two degrees of warming, let alone 1.5 degrees, would require transformative action. It will take more than good works and voluntary commitments; it will take a revolution. But in order to become a revolutionary, you need first to suffer.

This is remarkable, given that Media Matters just noted that...

Major broadcast TV networks mentioned climate change just one time during two weeks (the first two weeks of July) of heat-wave coverage. ABC, CBS, and NBC aired 127 segments on the recent heat wave and only one noted that climate change is a driver of extreme heat.

Hat tip to Janis for news of extreme heat from down under.

The water temperature in the Tasman Sea is well above normal - a whopping 6degC more than average for the start of December.

The increase has been driven by a La Nina climate system, and scientists say a continued warming of our ocean could permanently damage our fisheries and lead to tropical cyclones.

NIWA climate scientist Nava Fedaeff says, "Warm seas can act like fuel," she says. "If we do get a tropical storm this could add more moisture to the system."

In Japan

The temperature rose to a record 41.1C (106 Fahrenheit) in a city north-west of Tokyo on Monday (in Saitama prefecture )...Central Tokyo reached 39C on Monday, which “feels like” 43C when taking into account other factors such as humidity. Across Japan, dozens of people have died from heat-related conditions over the past two weeks and thousands have been taken to hospital.

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In early July, in eastern Canada, more than 90 people are now suspected to have died from the heat wave in Quebec. Recently a number of records were set around the world from Europe to Africa — Taiwan, Algeria, Oman, the Krasnoyarsk region in Russia, the Burbank and Van Nuys airports in CA and in Montreal.

“What’s unusual is the hemispheric scale of the heatwave,” said Michael Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University. “It’s not just the magnitude in any one location but that high temperatures are being seen over such a large area.”

And there’s more… Temperatures soared into the nineties Fahrenheit north of the Arctic Circle.

Lapland (Sápmi), the region of northern Scandinavia famed for its reindeer and often associated with Christmas. In contrast to that wintry reputation, Sweden is now grappling with an onslaught of wildfires unprecedented in modern times...The heat across Scandinavia is being driven by a large, strong upper-level high parked over the region. The persistent high pressure has also fed unusually warm, dry conditions across the British Islands, where several all-time heat records were broken

The thermohaline circulation, large-scale ocean circulation, is slowing down. Here is a recently published study in the journal Nature. There are many articles, but this one is short and to the point. And it has a great picture of the AMOC (Atlantic meridional overturning circulation, a system of currents in the Atlantic Ocean).

The Atlantic meridional overturning circulation

has declined in strength by 15 percent since the mid-20th century to a "new record low," the scientists conclude...If the slowdown trend continues, it is expected to drive strong sea-level rise against the Eastern Seaboard. Previous research has already shown that in 2009 to 2010, sea level in the region suddenly shot up five inches, thanks in part to a brief slowdown of the circulation...As for the future, Rahmstorf predicts the circulation will only weaken further as climate change advances. It may not be slow and steady: There is great fear that there may be a "tipping point" where the circulation comes to an abrupt halt.

Here's a video of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation by NASA.

Hat tip to Snoopy for this video of a calving event of an iceberg roughly a third of the length of Manhattan.
[video:https://youtu.be/aHYviGKsn_c]
Another new study addresses sea-level rise following Antarctic ice shelves' collapse...

The break-up of the smaller George VI Ice Shelf would have a much larger impact. The research is published today in the European Geosciences Union journal The Cryosphere. Recent, rapid warming in the Antarctic Peninsula is a threat to ice shelves in the region, with Larsen C and George VI considered to have the highest risk of collapse. Because these large ice platforms hold back inland glaciers, the ice carried by these glaciers can flow faster into the sea when the ice shelves collapse, which contributes to sea-level rise. The new study shows that a collapse of Larsen C would result in inland ice discharging about 4 mm to sea level, while the response of glaciers to George VI collapse could contribute over five times more to global sea levels, around 22 mm.

Hat tip to Creosote
Ocean acidification to hit levels not seen in 14 million years.

In their new study, published in the journal Earth and Planetary Science Letters, the researchers set out to reconstruct levels of ocean acidity and atmospheric CO2 levels over the past 22 million years.

They did so by studying the fossils of tiny marine creatures that once lived near the ocean surface, specifically using the chemistry of their shells to monitor the acidity of the seawater in which the creatures lived.

Based on this information, the researchers were able to put their new records of pH and CO2 levels in context of the range of future carbon emission scenarios that are recognized by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

And one last longish video by Paul Beckwith from the U. of Ottawa Laboratory for Paleoclimatology. You gotta love this guy with his three cats explaining the consequences of the melting of the arctic sea ice. He and his little cats too, give a very digestible presentation about Arctic Blue Ocean Event Consequences: Air and Ocean Circulation Changes...

It is becoming common knowledge that we are rapidly heading to complete loss of Arctic sea-ice. Without a course reversal, one eventually gets where one is headed. What will the consequences be, to the Arctic and to the rest of the planet?

Using my three cats as willing(?) helpers, I attempt to explain how the Beaufort Gyre and TransArctic Drift will reverse, monsoonal torrential rains will attack permafrost on land along Arctic coastlines, with severe increases in methane and carbon dioxide releases from this big thaw.

Our world will rapidly change for the worse as Arctic feedbacks accelerate and the jet streams stall out. We will have to relearn how to grow food in new ways and regions as existing farmland becomes subject to droughts and/or switches to torrential rains. Buckle your seatbelts.

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But don't worry, the centrist cowards will just blame us because we didn't want to vote for gradualism anymore.

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Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

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@The Aspie Corner
The MIC contributes 'hugely' to Climate Change. I would love to find hard numbers for that. I have read somewhere that even if we, the plebs, quit polluting that it would not change much. Between the MIC's need for oil to fight endless wars there is the ongoing need to feed the machine that is waiting in the wings to fight the wars.

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This is a good overview of the situation from a practical, scientific point of view. Big picture stuff. Most thinking people I know are well aware of these issues and the causations behind them (atmospheric burning of carbon extraction). Solutions are also available to the rational mind.

A good response would include exposing this information with zeal across the media spectrums. Educate by repetition of the causes, consequences and solutions. Lifting the veil of media silence, corporate disinformation and penalizing pollution will take a very determined effort.

It will take more than good works and voluntary commitments; it will take a revolution. But in order to become a revolutionary, you need first to suffer.

How to make the major polluters suffer? Where will the political will come from if the regulators are owned by the industries? We are running out of time to answer these questions.

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so happy and so sad at the same time for me. Yes, most people I know are aware of the basics and know that CC is getting worse. But there are a lot of folks that only know something is weird with the weather and have not connected the dots. Those are the folks that folks like us have to reach. But how? This stuff needs to be talked about in media weather reports and in the general media. The NYT article is the first I've seen in a while. So do we just start talking to people ourselves? Do we have conversations with local weather outlets? I know here they have talked to one weather presenter and they said even finding time to go off script is difficult.

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And thanks to Erato for a new Logos.

Every day moving forward is really helping me get perspective. I mean, here It is before 7, and I've already gotten more work done on something that I think matters than I used to do all week of procrastinating and doubting myself. I've accepted that there are folks who won't like my work, and once I finally understood that you can't please everybody and say ANYTHING, I decided it was more important to say something.

Thanks to everybody for being here, sharing the news, even though it's awful, and for being part of one of the best internet communities it's ever been my privilege to be a part of. (Not going anywhere, just saying thank you... aaaaand a little high on some choice Indica)

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Out of town guests left yesterday, so I plan to keep my feet up and enjoy your delicious writings.

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@mhagle I finally got to the point where I'm secure enough with myself to be able to take criticism and keep writing, so feel free to poke fun, prod, or point out errors that I should have caught. Good notes are extremely welcome to improve a production. Smile (People forget that A Funny Thing At the Forum bombed until they rewrote the opening.)

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Here is definitely a good place to be. Keeps me sane. I read your missives and am in awe of them really. Thanks for putting them out there. We are like a grove of trees feeding each other at the roots. Smile

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@magiamma It took a long time for me to get over "Imposter Syndrome" and everything that goes along with it.

Thanks again for being part of the support system that makes good things happen. Smile

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@detroitmechworks usually means 'in da couch' for me. I prefer sativa to get stuff done.
Logos has been very eye opening for me, not being all that familiar with the cast of characters. Nice work.
@magiamma Thanks for the OT.

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@Tall Bald and Ugly Because I find Indicas to be very wakeful for me. Of course I usually combine them with tea or coffee, so It may just be the Hippy Speedball talking.

And thanks for the kind words on the Logos. Most folks know a few of the myths, and can recognize many of the symbols pretty easily, but I do admit that I'm delving into esoteric and pretty specific mythology. I know that I'm using some anachronisms, which is to be expected from someone who isn't actually a 4th Century BCE Greek Poet. Smile

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Thank you and welcome to the Thursday OT, magiamma!

We need to speak of this more boldly, even if just to those around us. In my part of Texas, we have not had rain for almost a month. Some of the trees are now starting to look distressed. We are no strangers to heat and drought here, but the biggest discrepancy I see is the difference between a temperature in the sun and the temperature in the shade. It can be fifteen degrees. Since temps in the shade are the official temperature, it really doesn't represent how hot it is. I saw 120 in the sun a couple of weeks ago for the first time.

I love Paul Beckwith. Smile He is one of the best YouTube climate guys IMO. He interprets climate charts and data in a language everyone can understand. And his point about learning to grow food in new ways is vital.

Wishing you all a great day despite the news!

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@mhagle
Love Beckwith. And his three cats. Seriously, the temp is measured in the shade? That makes sense of course but it is not completely accurate. Yeah, I think a lot about how to get people to make the connection between CC and extreme weather. Needs to happen soon.

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overview and summary that really needs a much broader audience, as others have noted.

Business: I had to look for this down in the recents. If you put the words open thread in your tags, it will be listed in the Open Threads menu heading, in this case, just above Joe's Evening Blues from last night. That makes it easier to find and is pretty much where readers look for it. You can edit it, stick those two words in the tags, resave and it will appear there. If you use a template (I do), then you can just have it permanently down in the tags part of the template and ou won't for get it.

Back to the OT. It was good to see you address the Thermohaline Circulation. That puppy is a major weather and climate driver and the potential impacts of too much slowdown or, worst case, reversal, are mind boggling. It really doesn't get much, if any, attention in the mainstream press and really needs to be shouted out, often. Thanks.

Have a great day.

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I added #open thread to the tags and saved. It shows up in the tags now but not in the OT menu. Any ideas?
edit: Still not working bc edit keeps changing it to caps. LOL

And thanks for underlining the slowing of the Thermohaline circulation. I have to smile to myself and say, yeah, that's why it's called global. I guess we have front row seats in any case.

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@magiamma hi and thank you for hosting. I like your hotair, thanks a lot.

There are two different Tag links with different content, I don't know why or what to do about it. Try all lower case? dunno

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Happy Thursday!

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Glad you like hotair. Hoping that increased hotair on my part will help the cause. Smile

Tried lowercase but when I save the 'open thread' it returns as 'Open Thread'. Super frustrating.

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hyperlinks or leftovers from those days, so no # and no runtogether, but simply as it would be written in english:

open thread (I think I capitalize mine, but that isn't needed)

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thanks for today's environmental focus, couldn't be more timely as just today:

The Trump administration rolled out a plan Thursday to weaken the Obama administration’s aggressive fuel economy and global warming standards for cars and strip California of its ability to determine its own vehicle regulations for greenhouse gas emissions. http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/400036-trump-submits-rule-t...

Years of progress spit into the wind, a sad state of affairs.

Cheers and hoping you've a great day!

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That is just maddening. Really, they want to strip CA or our ability to regulate emissions. They tried to stop our Sanctuary movement and failed. I will pass that along to folks here.

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then save. That should work. Smile

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Smiley, thank you. Smile

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From the National Weather Service, via VPR:

As we close the book on July 2018 here's an easy way to describe it, the single hottest month in Burlington, VT history back to 1892.

Surprisingly, VPR does mention climate change, but it's fleeting -- by design, I'm sure:

Many of the heat records broken last month went back decades. Whittier said the heat is, in part, attributable to climate change.

Not only has it been unusually hot, but also we've had very little rain.

Thanks for this Open Thread. It's such a vital topic, and one I'm often discouraged by. It feels as though we have no power to change it.

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Your welcome. I guess it's a start that CC is even mentioned. People feel helpless. And discouraged. And busy. There is a big machine that we are fighting. My theory, which is mine, is that if enough people start talking about the connection between CC and the extreme weather at some point the energy will shift. So call your newspaper and thank them for mentioning CC. Ask them to do more reporting on it. Ask your friends to do the same. One newspaper, one weather report at a time. We must be insidious and persevere. A lot of people I talk to are getting that CC silence is real.

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It's just a plot by Al Gore. Winning

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Had a recall on the airbags in the car, and just home after successful replacement.

The arctic is key to understanding the feedback loops in the weather system as Paul well explains. I appreciate your focus on climate chaos...which exists and will expand. We've had 3 inches of rain over the last two days...while CA and more oddly the Arctic is burning. The loss of species is staggering also. Those warm water temps are reflected in the death of the corals. Since 2016 half of the great barrier reef has died.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/since-2016-half-the-...

The oligarchs recognize the empire is falling and they are grasping for every last cent of profit they can wring out before the system collapses. Perhaps they think they may go to another planet with elon musk and their fellow oligarchs I guess. There is just one atmosphere. You think it should be plain. Trump built seawalls around his coastal golf courses...think he really doesn't think there's climate chaos to come?

Well thanks for the OT. Such an important topic today.

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It's all we got. Don't they want their grand children not to hate them.

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Why don't oligarchs care about planet Earth?

Greed, that's why. Pure, unadulterated, poisonous greed. They don't care about anything but more, more, more. As they barely care about their own children, they certainly are not about to consider their grandchildren ... much less anyone else's family. The Earth? That doesn't even enter into the equation, other than how to exploit it for profit.

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@Lookout on That particular bandwagon, you might want to check out the effect of SUNSCREEN on coral. One drop of a typical sunscreen in a One Thousand gallon tank with coral in it-and Every Piece of Coral DIED.
What do people do when they go visit/Dive on the reef? Slather the 'protection' on. Not that Climate Chaos Isn't playing its part in the destruction of the reefs-we should also be looking at Other Human Induced variables as well.

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corals either, the stuff is ecosystem unfriendly, so one needs to keep it out of freshwater as well.

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@enhydra lutris Since sunscreen needs to be kept out of all waters, how are we humans (basically a diurnal species, active during the daylight hours) supposed to live?

Clothing only takes us so far. And the more we need to depend on buildings for protection against the natural elements, the more carbon gets burned to support that. The same can be said for nocturnalizing (switching our activities to night).

Every sunburn one experiences increases the chances one will contract melanoma, one of the deadliest of skin cancers.

Ironically, the people of Mexico have got this one right. Traditionally, they avoid working from 10 AM or so till about 3 PM; and they then work well into the night. And while they work that way, melanomas (and other sun-exposure diseases) are very rare. The people of India, too, tend to work this way, which is where the famous quip "Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the noonday sun" comes from.

Mad Dogs And Englishmen -- Noel Coward

In tropical climes there are certain times of day
When all the citizens retire to tear their clothes off and perspire.
It's one of the rules that the greatest fools obey,
Because the sun is much too sultry
And one must avoid its ultry-violet ray.
The natives grieve when the white men leave their huts,
Because they're obviously, definitely nuts!

Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun,
The Japanese don´t care to, the Chinese wouldn´t dare to,
Hindus and Argentines sleep firmly from twelve to one
But Englishmen detest-a siesta.
In the Philippines they have lovely screens to protect you from the glare.
In the Malay States, there are hats like plates which the Britishers won't wear.
At twelve noon the natives swoon and no further work is done,
But mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.

It's such a surprise for the Eastern eyes to see,
that though the English are effete, they're quite impervious to heat,
When the white man rides every native hides in glee,
Because the simple creatures hope he will impale his solar topee on a tree.
It seems such a shame when the English claim the earth,
They give rise to such hilarity and mirth.
Ha ha ha ha hoo hoo hoo hoo hee hee hee hee ......

Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.
The toughest Burmese bandit can never understand it.
In Rangoon the heat of noon is just what the natives shun,
They put their Scotch or Rye down, and lie down.
In a jungle town where the sun beats down to the rage of man and beast
The English garb of the English sahib merely gets a bit more creased.
In Bangkok at twelve o'clock they foam at the mouth and run,
But mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.

Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.
The smallest Malay rabbit deplores this foolish habit.
In Hong Kong they strike a gong and fire off a noonday gun,
To reprimand each inmate who's in late.
In the mangrove swamps where the python romps
there is peace from twelve till two.
Even caribous lie around and snooze, for there's nothing else to do.
In Bengal to move at all is seldom ever done,
But mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.

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So it appears that Noel Coward knew (in 1931!) what we need to be doing today. Along with more renewable energy sources to support these healthier habits.

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@Tall Bald and Ugly

Just like every product we use daily some sunscreens cause as much damage as exposure to the sun. The FDA has been captured by the agencies they've supposed to regulate and they have allowed all kinds of harmful ingredients to be put in products. Lots of cancer causing stuff are in shampoos, toothpaste, lotions, etc. sad isn't it?

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.

@snoopydawg using sunscreen years ago, as well as bug repellent. Switched to Bronners soaps and Tom's toothpaste(sold to p&g).
What most people don't realize is that exposure to the sun is not the issue for most-Burning By the Sun is. If you can Gradually tan naturally, little by little, Without Burning, then exposure to the sun is healthy in moderate doses.
I'm in the sun most days for ten hours or so working, so I Have to keep a good tan going.

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@Tall Bald and Ugly
To activate the vitamin D.

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And all those chemicals we put on our skin are mostly packaged in plastic which is also killing the planet.

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Corals are communities of animals that have tiny photosynthetic algae living inside them in a mutually beneficial relationship. Corals are very temperature-sensitive. A rise of just 1-1.5 degrees Celsius can stress coral enough to evict the algae until the heat stress subsides.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160414095947.htm

The paper goes on....
When the Georgia Tech team visited the reefs last November, 50 to 90 percent of corals they saw were bleached and as many as 30 percent were already dead. This time, after months of warm waters powered by the El Niño, the numbers were more stark. After extensive underwater surveys around the atoll, Baum's team estimates that 80 percent of the corals are dead and 15 percent are bleached. Only 5 percent are still alive and healthy.

"To see the reefs change this dramatically in just a few months is shocking," says Baum. "We were bracing ourselves for the worst, but seeing it with our own eyes was surreal. Christmas Island's coral reefs are like ghost towns now. The structures are all still there, but no one is home."

So sunscreen is bad, but warm temps are cause much more extensive damage.

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@Lookout when I watched a time lapse video of an experiment on sunscreen and coral, it was pretty scary, less than 48hrs, I believe, until it bleached out. This was several years ago, I'm still searching for the vid.
Like I said above No Doubt climate chaos is screwing it(and us) over, my point is/was the chemicals we use(untested) on ourselves and our surroundings are just as likely to contribute to the decay And We'll Never Realize It!

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So many things are unraveling now. It will take a sea change (no pun intended) to change it.
If we start the conversation... It might help... Can't hurt... Why not...

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12/ "Changes in temperature on the world-wide scale could cause major changes in the earth's atmosphere over the next several hundred years including change in the polar ice caps," API's consultant scientists wrote to the group in a 1968 paper.

the were only a few centuries off -sigh-

https://twitter.com/insideclimate/status/1024717497713520640?s=21

Courtesy from comments at NC

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those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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We are up against an organized misinformation campaign since the 1950s. The article at inside climate news on How Big Oil Lost Control of Its Climate Misinformation Machine is worth reading.

Hundreds of millions of dollars from corporations such as ExxonMobil and wealthy individuals such as the billionaires Charles and David Koch have supported the development of a sprawling network, which includes Heartland and other think tanks, advocacy groups and political operatives. They have cast doubt on consensus science, confused public opinion and forestalled passage of laws and regulations that would address the global environmental crisis. It is one of the largest, longest and most consequential misinformation efforts mounted against mainstream science by an industry. Climate denial, thanks to the network's influence, has become a core message of the Republican Party, now in control of the White House and Congress.
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The new goal is making sure that denial is "part of the ideological catechism of the conservative base," Taylor said. "They are trying to keep the hard Right animated."

The graphic The Long Campaign of Misinformation is worth a thousand words
Climate Denial-InsideClimateNews.jpg
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Or rather Good Gawd! The graphic really puts things in perspective on how long they have known about this and did nothing to stop the effects of using fossil fuels. This includes every president since the information became available. And now the Koch brother's puppet in the WH is letting them roll back decades of legislation that was put in place. In a country that had a functioning justice system every person involved in the coverup would be rotting in jail.

I guess it's like if someone murders one person they go to prison, but when someone orders the military to murder hundreds of thousands they get to go free and make big bucks giving speeches. My hope is that when the poop hits the fan and the elite try to bug out to places that they think they can ride out the damage their security forces will turn on them and take their places.

Great start to your open thread series.

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.

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My hope is that when the poop hits the fan and the elite try to bug out to places that they think they can ride out the damage their security forces will turn on them and take their places.

What goes, comes

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now it's someone who Jews don't like"

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Yes, that picture really brings it home. They have years of well organized and highly funded campaigns under their belts. Well, fuc 'em. Time for a change. Smile

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I watched TV at their place. Unlike me and my building’s “dumb” German cable package, they pay extra and have English language channels BBC, Bloomberg, and CNN.

BBC and CNN were all bullshit emotional distractions and neocon warmongering; Bloomberg was all numbers and “business news.”

Methinks it’s Bloomberg viewers who control the world’s economies. It’s Bloomberg viewers who have to be told that the world is dying and their precious numbers are all going to go to zero, if they don’t wise up and use their money to force radical ecological change.

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It may be hotter than we think: lots of things cause particles to shield us somewhat from sun/heat. Such as: dust from agricultural practices (fueled by fossils), traffic (fueled by fossils); volcanos; forest fires; jet contrails.

Apparently, during 9/11 there was nearly no air traffic and other industrial work also slowed. Studies of evaporation showed that the sun was clearer and hotter, and the skies bluer than they had been.

We are going to have to wean somehow or hope more volcanos erupt in the near future. We do actually need a world-wide plan.

It used to be I couldn't think about any of the "P" named animals: Penguins, Polar Bears, Puffins without tears. Now it's almost anything. We watch our springs to see if the normal progressions of insects and birds are in order. But it appears not. First we get a winter false Spring, which brings flowers and some insects; then it starts cold raining, which brings nesting and every other thing to a halt. It isn't going well.

We need plans.

I'm for solar on any roof that can catch some rays; barrel wind generators; less heavy metal and longer lasting batteries. We have seen a new thing on canals here in France: Archimedes-like screws for the opening and closing of canal lochs. Small scale energy generation. Also reclaiming methane for fuel from huge digesters down to our local recycling centers. They are aiming at our septic tanks. Good idea. All that Methane is adding to our problems, and we could use the fuel.

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