If you want some bizarre fun --
-- read Chris Wright's recent essay on Counterpunch, The Stupefying Mediocrity of Barack Obama. Here I will give this piece a go-over, pointing out its highly amusing word choices. It's not as if Wright is wrong, or as if his politics were suspect, or anything like that. It's that describing Barack Obama and his political party, the Democratic Party, requires a degree of verbal gymnastics that renders one prone to verbal belly-flops. Onward!
First, the title. Obama wasn't a "mediocre" President. He might be considered a "bad" President, by those conscious very few who feel stung by Obama's selling-out of the title of "first Black President." He was an excellent President if you think of the acuity with which he fulfilled his economic mission -- keeping the masses poor while making them feel loved. He did his job, and he did it well.
Obama also fulfilled his political mission -- to hand power over to the Republicans. In fact, we can now say that the Democratic Party is his party -- a party which serves no purpose which its members can identify because it offers nothing to the public. Its pitch is: just STFU and vote for the Democrat because the Republicans promote their evil more openly. Thus when Wright says:
This perception of his ("he is certain he will be vindicated") probably also explains his general reluctance to publicly criticize Trump. He simply doesn’t care enough to do so—he has nothing like a deep outrage against the continuous injustices of Trumpian politics—because his task has already been accomplished: he has written himself into the history books by being the U.S.’s first black president. That achievement is what matters, that and his eight years of (supposed) attempts to “heal the country’s divides.” Again, it’s too bad the country wasn’t ready for him, but that isn’t his fault.
he makes an excellent point while missing another one. When they do criticize Trump, elite Democrats criticize Trump for the same reason the slackers at your workplace periodically try hard to "look busy." They don't care enough about Trump either, but they still criticize him. Obama doesn't have to look busy -- he's retired.
And then you have Wright's pronouncement upon Obama's narcissism, which also makes one important point while leaving out another:
When your overriding value in life is self-glorification, what you tend to get is the moral cowardice and fecklessness of people like Obama, the Clintons, and, in truth, all centrist politicians. They’ll do whatever they have to do to rise to power, so they can realize their “destiny”—of being powerful. They’ll always try to please “both sides”—a binary notion that leaves out the genuine left, which is to say the interests of the large majority of people—because that is the safest and surest road to power.
Yes, of course, leaving out the public's interests is the safest and surest road to power.
But it isn't really "moral cowardice," because the principles that would guide morally effective government simply don't exist in actual government. No government has the courage to phase out the fossil fuel industry, the main prerequisite of effective climate change mitigation today. No government has the courage to phase out capitalism, which is today the main impediment to mass prosperity and to the continuation of the utopian dream begun with the Enlightenment and immortalized in Condorcet's Sketch. This is so because all governments under neoliberal rule are obliged to maintain the aggregate profit rate for an owning class (thus depressing wages) lest the forces of capital attempt to destroy them and the countries which they claim to govern. Rather, Obama's is the moral courage depicted in this New Yorker cartoon:
Which brings us to Wright's summation of Obama's legacy. Obama's legacy is of course Trump, and an America in which there are eight Democrat trifectas and twenty-six Republican trifectas even though the Republicans are, by membership count, a minority party. Here's the quote:
While the U.S. is certainly not Weimar Germany, and the risks of full-blown fascism are not as great now as they were then, one can see parallels. Just as the feckless, vacillating liberalism of Jimmy Carter ushered in the reactionary age of Reagan, so the vacillating liberalism of Obama prepared the way for the semi-fascism of Trump and the reinvigoration of white supremacy.
I'd like to know how Obama's idea of government counts in any way as "liberalism." Once again: catch one truth, miss another.
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If I wanted to Damn Obama with praise...
I'd compliment him on his ability to lie smoothly and convincingly.
I'd applaud his mastery of changing the subject.
I'd praise his ruthlessness at eliminating the harmless.
That's about it. Unless I wanted to resort to cheese jokes.
/snark
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
liberalism
The article said: "vacillating liberalism".
As in: liberal when speech-making time arrives, but milquetoast incrementalist when the time for bold action would be obvious to any genuine liberal.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Wasn't Obama's "vacillation" basically an act?
“One of the things I love about the American people is that we can hold many thoughts at once” - Kamala Harris
O'bummer dinner theater
This, too. And the non-closure of Guantanamo. And our continued unwelcome presence in Afghanistan.
He comes out two-faced any way.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
After Wall Street broke the banks
Prez Hopey Changey Transformational didn’t hesitate a heartbeat to make sure Wall Street got bailed out AND bonuses while we got ‘Austerity’ . He hopped right in front of the tv camerars to lie about NSA spying without hesitation and he blatantly lied about it all. He didn’t hesitate to make this world is a more dangerous place by send troops into places to either destroy the current government in power or to ensure our ‘enemies’ don’t get in the way of America being the world’s ‘policeman’.
Obama is the biggest political fraud this country has ever seen.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
@thanatokephaloides The word liberal means,
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Buenissimo, but requiring illustration and clarification
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Phil Ochs
No lie!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
endless wage dilution
And no government on Earth has the courage to restrict the so-called "right" of every adult human to breed as many descendants as they want, thus guaranteeing endless wage dilution as simple supply-demand economics dictates. The "pie" isn't all that much bigger than it was 80 years ago, but it's being cut into many, many more pieces; do the math. Moreover, this wage dilution guarantees major capital a loyal stream of cannon fodder for its resource wars -- another win for the 0.01% and a completely disastrous loss for all the rest of us.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
First off...
First off, the Chinese have in fact "had the courage" to restrict the breeding of their subjects. Ever heard of the one-child rule?
Secondly, only under patriarchy do families "want" to have a lot of kids, and every government from the Sumerians through Margaret Thatcher has been a patriarchy. Maybe the women could speak here -- my guess as a man is that pregnancy is something many if not most of them might want to try once or twice if at all.
Of course this is one of the virtues of the John Varley "Eight Worlds" fantasy, in which the men become women and the women become men. Think of an alternate reality in which the US decided to spend a tiny portion of what it spends on the Pentagon across-the-board on medicine. We'd have cancer cures, dementia and Alzheimer's-disease cures, easy and safe abortion, effective gender-reassignment surgery...
“One of the things I love about the American people is that we can hold many thoughts at once” - Kamala Harris
On having babies
Speaking as a woman who has never wanted children, from as early as I can remember, I would lean toward agreeing with you. But, my older sister had 6, and she absolutely loved being pregnant and having babies. I can’t fathom why. I’ve certainly been told my whole life that I’m weird and “not normal” for my aversion to motherhood.
I do happen to have a number of women friends in my life who totally agree with me and are happily childless by choice. But, no doubt we are friends and hang out together in part because we all don’t have kids. Those of our friends who have had kids, we don’t see much because they don’t have time anymore. Most of the people I know who do have kids, like many of my coworkers, do tend to limit their families to 1 to 3 children, mostly. I don’t know if that’s due to economic reasons or time/energy demands, or what.
It’s definitely true that when women have access to birth control, birth rates drop. So it seems clear most women prefer to put limits on the number of babies they want to have, and relatively few want to produce very large families, if they have a say in it.
doing right by one's children
It's all of that and then some.
Sounds like your friends who are parents are responsible parents, doing their best to do right by their children.
I salute them! And you, too, for recognizing that you aren't parent material!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I've been told that I was great parent material.
“One of the things I love about the American people is that we can hold many thoughts at once” - Kamala Harris
great parent of no kids
Decided to prove you were great parent material, eh?
(Actually, in many ways, I resemble that remark!)
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Parent material?
I'd be very interested to hear what you believe is included in that criteria.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
parent material
First: My remark bearing those words was addressed to (and, more importantly, about) one of us who had decided (s)he wasn't "parent material" by his/her own criteria. I had no need to know what those criteria were in order to applaud my fellow c99er for honoring them and him/herself thereby. The ethicality of the decision was more than sufficient.
Next: My own criteria (since you did ask) are basically: being male, the possession of a secure, reasonably prosperous livelihood whose demands are reasonable enough to leave enough of me to actually participate in the development of healthy adult human beings in body, mind, and spirit; combined with a stable temperament, a loving, kind, forgiving, and merciful disposition; and a mature, loving, stable relationship with the partner with whom I have those children.
Stated more succinctly but bitterly, I say I have no children because my best efforts have yielded neither the minimum livelihood nor the minimum level of relationship to justify bringing children into my life. I would not wish either my job history (mostly temporary gigs) or my dating history (much the same) on any child.
My world-view has rapidly become such that I feel that no one has any business bringing children into this world the way it is now. But I'll readily admit that at least some of that view may be due to prejudices, my eyes being jaundiced by my own experiences.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Why I was confused
CS in AZ never mentioned any of the criteria you listed in your definition of "parent material" in her decision to not have children. Moreover, women don't necessarily need to be a part of that criteria in order to decide to be child-free. Further illustrating a larger point I made down thread about entrenched societal assumptions that a women's circumstances in life must be "inadequate" for them to actively make the choice not to have children.
They do not is what I am saying.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
childfree criteria
CS in AZ didn't mention any criteria at all. Nor did I need her to. That she stuck by her decision for her own reasons was more than sufficient.
And one point I was trying to support, as well. The decision not to have children can be arrived at for myriads of reasons, and all of them are valid.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
@CS in AZ Here's what makes
If we'd actually wanted to restrain the birthrate, round about the time we noticed it was going to be a significant problem we should have made a full-court-press global effort to advance women's education everywhere, to save our own necks.
Would it have actually saved us? Don't know, but it would have been nice to have tried.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I prefer to think of my life as "childfree"
But it's interesting that society has conjured up the word "child-less" to describe women who do not have children.
Recently, I saw a very good documentary directed and produced by two Indian women on arranged marriages in India, titled "A Suitable Girl". Well worth the watch. It was a striking look at the lives of three women, their families, and how marriage is culturally defined. Speaking directly to the issue of societal "norms", the message that penetrates through this film is the intense pressure that culture and tradition places on women to conform. While the pressure to have a family is portrayed more vividly in this film than you would typically see here in the U.S., the expectation for women to get married and have children exists here as well. Notably in the common assumption that anyone who is older, unmarried, and child-free is either unhappy or unlucky, or worse.
More interestingly still is the attempt to convey this to people who cannot fathom a life lived any other way. And yet, if female self actualization is competing with the traditional duties of women who have a house to run, a husband to cater to, and children to raise, young women have got more than a few daunting challenges ahead of them to carve out a piece of their identity that belongs solely to themselves.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I usually say child-free too
I had a tee shirt long ago that said “Child free is the choice for me” and I loved it. I don’t even know when or how “childless by choice” entered my vocabulary. Thanks for mentioning that. It’s a subtle difference but it does have that edge, like if you don’t have children you are lacking something. I will go back to saying child free. That is much more congruent with how I feel about it.
Great T-Shirt
And you hit on exactly the connotation the word conjures up for me. A sense of lacking. An amusingly incongruent adjective to describe the abundance of wonderful people I am thankful for to have in my life, each day.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
childbreeding
Sure. And it's not in effect today. (In a lot of ways, it's no longer necessary; China's population is pretty stable today, and China can feed herself now. She wasn't able to do that for most of Mao's tenure in office.)
To the support of your point, most Han Chinese couples are still restricted to two children or fewer. And from what reports I've seen, the Chinese are pretty much at peace with that.
India, on the other hand..... shudder!
Ah yes. Patriarchy. The same folks who brought us all the selfsame wars for which the cannon fodder is required.
For this reason and many others, the women should speak here. Preferably before they get sold on becoming breed mares for some patriarch out there. (Every time some fundie goes off about "full quivers", I have to suppress various foul urges.....)
And full employment no matter how many kids Americans had. (Yes, we spend that much on military!)
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I didn't know Varley was still writing
I dunno, I remember Indira Ghandi and Golda Mier as long time leaders, and they didn't fundamentally change the culture of their country. Maybe now that people can access information and ideas directly from the world things will change. I always thought change comes up from the people. Unfortunately, looking at the U.S. it could go the other way.
I think of Varley's "Eight Worlds"
I don't think he writes any "Eight Worlds" stuff anymore. I remember reading somewhere that he got his inspiration more recently from reading old Heinlein. The thing is that (if I recall correctly) plot really matters in old Heinlein.
“One of the things I love about the American people is that we can hold many thoughts at once” - Kamala Harris
OK I stand corrected.
https://varley.net/nonfiction/news/irontown-blues-blues/
“One of the things I love about the American people is that we can hold many thoughts at once” - Kamala Harris
@Snode Rulers rarely change
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
change
And when they do, it's oftener that it's their fuck-ups that create those changes rather than goods the rulers desire and work for.
Shakespeare, Julius Caesar, Act III, Scene 2
source
Example: Virtually all the good stuff in the US Constitution is there because of unfinished business from the English Civil War, which was the result of Charles I's fuck-ups.
And the single worst military command ever given was issued by Alexander the Great. When he lay dying at Babylon, he was asked: "Who shall succeed to your command?" His answer, "The strongest one!", destroyed his entire empire and insured that his homeland, Macedonia, would never be ruled by a Macedonian (as Alexander knew Macedonians) again. This obtains to this day, as Macedonia is divided in two, with Greece ruling half and Slavs (from the former Yugoslavia) running the other.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
@thanatokephaloides We used to talk about
The evolution of that issue in American politics stinks of propaganda. Smells like Lee Atwater, Karl Rove, and John Brennan, or somebody in their brotherhood.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
My wife jakkalbessie and I
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
stinks to high heaven
To high heaven. As bad as a dead skunk in the middle of the road!
[video:https://youtu.be/UejelYnVI3U]
Any one of those stinks to high heaven!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I quit reading CounterPunch, but this was not a terrible
piece. I don't really think he wanted anyone but HRC to follow him. Pritzker sold him to the bankers & he kept his part of the bargain. including his support for HRC. His main regret is that it didn't work out as planned.
They used the FBI, CIA, NSA et al. to cover up her criminal influence peddling and to sabotage Trump. It remains to be seen how that will work out for his legacy. For me he will always be a snake in the grass.
chuck utzman
TULSI 2020
snake
Alligator Ed might get upset at your disparagement of honest reptiles.....
/snark
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
"Pritzker sold him to the bankers (+++)
& he kept his part of the bargain."
What a bargain it was for Citigroup and the rest.
Barack "the Mailman" Obama - he delivered.
billions and billions and billions
(forgive me Karl Malone)
Jesus wept.
I just get sick to my stomach.
aarrrgh.
It will be interesting,
as Russiagate plays out,
to see just how much of that comes back to bite O'bummer in the ass.
"They" (including Deep State, it looks like) bought and paid for HRC's coronation.
"They" All must have been stunned with disbelief Election Night.
Hillary still can't believe it.
It's going to be a good movie some day.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
@Wink They were shocked. It
Even though Trump is wealthy and holds most of the same views the hegemony does, they don't like surprises. Control freaks, all of them, at a psychopathic level.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@chuckutzman He dislikes Hillary
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
O'bummer did what he
was told, like a good little Negro.
And did it well.
Sadly, he still is worshiped by many as the greatest president ever.
And, unlike Her Heinous, could get reelected in a heartbeat.
Prolly what really tortures Her.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Ralph Nader called BO an 'Uncle Tom,'
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
like a good little Negro?
Your use of vernacular always aims to elevate, doesn't it?
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
morally and intellectually vacuous
What a brilliant description of Barack Obama. The historical election of the first black American president who have done almost anything he wanted and who could have seen this country reborn out of the ashes of the Bush administration will instead be etched in history as the President Who Could Have Been. That Trump's presidency followed his is a direct reflection on how he will be remembered for all time.
Love this guy's sense of humor ..
Obama did what he was selected to do. Protect the bank CEOs, increase wealth inequality, stop the anti war movement in its tracks and all the other things he spent 8 years doing.
Oh yeah and this
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
It's not a bad essay --
“One of the things I love about the American people is that we can hold many thoughts at once” - Kamala Harris
My thoughts exactly
I’d seen the quotes from Obama yesterday, and just rolled my eyes and thought oh god, he’s ridiculous. We go on about the Clintons, and it’s impossible to overstate how bad they are, but he deserves equal scorn. Maybe he went too far??? He was before his time??? He is just as nuts as they are.
I liked your additions to the original critique. You made some good points. Thanks!
Paul Street did a good job too
“Progressive” Obama: He’s Melting, He’s Melting
Over 9 million people lost their homes after the banks crashed the global economy and of course they looked to the newly elected "progressive" president for help. After all wasn't that why we elected him and not the corporate tool McCain? That's what we thought we elected. Instead we got the other corporate stooge who betrayed us in so many ways. Here's one ..
It's simply amazing how so many people still see him as the second coming of FDR. He's not man enough to shine FDR' s boots!
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
The Obama administration did what it was supposed to do.
https://cassiodorusblog.wordpress.com/2016/04/02/please-drop-the-weak-ob...
“One of the things I love about the American people is that we can hold many thoughts at once” - Kamala Harris
got to say you were right
early and often.
and more specifics in this short piece. h/t
That was a rather popular diary on Daily Kos.
“One of the things I love about the American people is that we can hold many thoughts at once” - Kamala Harris
@snoopydawg Not a big fan of Ike
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I didn't compare him to Eisenhower
I compared him to Franklin Delano Roosevelt
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
@snoopydawg I'll have to re
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@snoopydawg OK, clearly I
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
This isn't true either
I meant to say what I had written
It's simply amazing how so many people still see him as the second coming of FDR
You wouldn't believe how many people say that, plus they say that he ended two wars and hasn't started any new ones and no I'm not kidding. I first read it on ToP, but I've seen it elsewhere.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
@snoopydawg No, what I
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I appreciate Eisenhower more and more...
when I look at everyone who followed him. LBJ gets kudos for his anti-racism work, but it's negated by Vietnam.
Add Medicare to his positives, but Vietnam is still the big negative.
BTW, my parents voted for Adlai Stevenson both times and I think they were right.
But the Party was wrong to let him run twice. Rejected once and then ran against the same man, now a sitting President who ended active fighting in Korea?
Look for that same scenario from Her Heinous, ensuring a landslide for Trump in 2020.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@The Voice In the Wilderness I agree with you,
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
IKE wouldn't send troops.
He was right on that.
Agree about JFK, we will never know.
Add school integration to Ike's credit. And it was clever to federalize the local National Guard instead of sending regular army from out of state. If the Guard had refused, they would have been in rebellion and using locals stifled talk of "outside interference".
He was a good politician. If you wanted great strategy, you call MacArthur. If you want a Hell for Leather crazy cavalryman you call Patton. When you want a politician that can deal with the prima donnas and get a consensus, you call Eisenhower. After all he kept (barely) Patton and Montgomery from each other's throats.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@The Voice In the Wilderness BTW, Adlai
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Be proud!
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
LBJ
The mitigation for LBJ here is that he didn't embroil us in that quagmire; Ike did.
That LBJ mis-handled the war he inherited, of course, does count against him. But in his credit, he didn't choose to put us there.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Not Ike, JFK!
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
This is Reaganism, nor are we out of it. It is circumscribed
here around us. After Beezlebub the deluge; the good Dr. Faustus, Reagan, Clinton, the DLC and all that herd, they are truly all lesser evils, but evil all the same.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
@enhydra lutris It all looks like
I mostly don't get hung up on party labels or even individual personalities anymore, not since about 2010.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Baalzebub
It's spelled "Baalzebub". (A corruption of "Baal Zebul", "The god of Zebulon".)
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
The Obama’s Netflix deal didn’t help the critique.
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Uh oh . . "This video is unavailable"
at least here at 11:58 pm
It's Van Morrison's song, 'Showbusiness'
from his album "the Philosopher's Stone'. Maybe this one will work ...
[video:https://youtu.be/3RNOvwiHvZA]
perfect (+++)
"and the next one,and the next one,and the next one,just like the last one"
"can rob you with a fountain pen"
I posted this line from Pretty Boy Floyd yesterday and here it is again!
an old story. ha
thx
oh,and thx for your generous comment.
when the music stops...
"hard to be adequately critical" (+++)
and there is much we don't know about this guy.
the old saying- "so dishonest he had to hire someone to call his dog" comes to mind.
and that doesn't begin to cover it.
in fact, "hard to be adequately critical" itself ...
oh man.
I always go back to this
https://www.facebook.com/notes/ian-berman/when-you-say-you-miss-presiden...
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
@ggersh Good for him.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Amen
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
please put this up every so often.
lest we forget what he was and still is.
legacy. never let it go.
"I was good at killing folks." - B. Obama
MFer is a war criminal
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
yep
@ggersh Too many people
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
trumpolini's followers are even worse
on 5th St. and get away with it, while cheney
only got away w/wounding his buddy.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
@ggersh not for lack
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@irishking We tortured some
This one's a classic.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
A classic indeed - one I hadn't seen.
One everyone should see, together with a list of the torturing Bush Admin warmongers both officially and unofficially running government. You don't even have to look backward any further than that to see where this pathology is going forward to.
Thanks for posting it.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@Ellen North Apparently
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
gghersh, I think of you often as I post this
on so many sites where people say that they DO wish Obama was president because he was such ...... or some other bullshit!
Heh, you should see some of the replies.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
for my health maybe not
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
I suppose we would have been better off with John McCain
And Sarah Palin, or Bain Vulture Romney. Chris Wright a revisionist history nitwit.
better off?
Ah yes, the McPain Administration!
There's no "better off" here. McCain, Palin, RMoney et al., were honest about wanting to deliver the exact same fuck-over that O'Bomber actually delivered to us 99%ers.
The only real difference was that O'Bomber promised us change from the Dumbya Administration, but actually delivered Dumbya's third and fourth terms.
-- Euclid of Alexandria
Just like in 2016, we ordinary Serfs could not vote our own interests at all.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Knowing the facts, it's hard to believe --
Tell us all this: when, over the course of the Obama administration, the Democrats ceded 900 state legislative seats to the Republicans, what was your reaction?
“One of the things I love about the American people is that we can hold many thoughts at once” - Kamala Harris
@Song of the lark There is no "better off"
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Perhaps Sarah Palin was the
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Obama, in the end
will be remembered not for what he did, but for what he failed to do.
Millions of us will remember him for both.
The guy on the campaign trail and the guy who got elected were either 1) two different people or 2) one world class opportunistic lying fraud.
I’m going with #2.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Obama is the worst of the lot because in addition to his
many crimes and failures, he betrayed so many. Obama lied his way into office, and Wall Street lived happily ever after. My only hope is that karma finds him sooner rather than later. I want to be around to enjoy it.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
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