Can we finally admit that our military isn't that good?
There was a time in the not so distant past when a military was judged by its ability to win wars and defeat enemies. In fact, all throughout history, until very recently, that was the only measure of a military.
During most of history, a general who lost the war then had his head removed from his shoulders.
We are in a Brave New World these days. Our military no longer needs to win wars and defeat enemies to be worshiped. Losing generals, instead of being beheaded, get paid enormous amounts of money to spout nonsense on TV.
Unlike you and I, the military doesn't have to succeed at its job, or even display basic competence.
Just look at its recent 16-year record in Afghanistan.
VOA: Pentagon Under Fire As Mattis Admits U.S. Is 'Not Winning' War In Afghanistan
NBC: Trump Says U.S. 'Losing' Afghan War in Tense Meeting With Generals
PopMech: We're Losing Afghanistan By Every Metric That Matters
aljazeera: Opium production in Afghanistan reaches record high
Newsweek: The U.S. Is Losing Badly in Afghanistan, but the Trump Administration Is Telling Americans Less
Now some may point out that we could "win" the war by simply killing everything that moves from the air, and that we don't do it because we are the "good guys". Horsesh*t.
My response remains the same:
If you have to resort to genocide to win the war, then you aren't very good at war.
Plus, if you literally destroy everything then you haven't left anything to win. You just prevented the other guy from winning.
It isn't just Afghanistan. Look at Syria.
SYRIA was the last outpost of Communist Russia’s imperial dreams.
President Vladimir Putin did not want to let it go.
Now, according to an assessment published in the professional journal of the US Army, the Military Review, he’s won.
By direct implication, this implies a serious strategic setback for the United States...
“Russia has only been directly involved in this conflict since September 2015, but its intervention has radically changed the war’s outcome,” the US Army publication states. “The natural question is whether Russia has, in fact, won a victory.”
“Russia has become a potential powerbroker, and perhaps a balancer against US influence, even if it did not embark on the Syrian campaign with those goals in mind,” the Army press article states.
We staked our local alliance on the Syrian Kurds, but now the Kurds are being crushed by Turkey, which leaves us with nothing but unwelcome, insecure bases in an unstable country.
That doesn't look like victory.
And then there is Iraq. We've lost twice in Iraq.
First in 2003-2011.
The U.S. lost that war by any reasonable measure in that it threw away thousands of American lives and more than a hundred thousand Iraqi lives for the sake of creating a wrecked, impoverished country ruled by sectarian thugs.
That's one way of measuring how we lost, but a more clear measurement is in the simple fact that the other guys were still shooting at us while we withdrew.
The second time for losing in Iraq is still in our future.
The US-led global coalition placed the defeat of IS at its heart. The group's degradation and destruction was its sole objective. But this monomania has created its own problems.
Most obviously, it has meant that the capture of territory was placed above finding a political settlement that would diminish IS’ ideological influence or dismantling the group’s core infrastructure, cells from which were able to mount raids in Kirkuk years after that city’s liberation.
The Raqqa and Mosul campaigns were undertaken rapidly, with dire consequences for the safety of the civilian population. The negative effects of this action went beyond poor PR: it also meant that the global coalition frequently failed to deal satisfactorily with issues that emerged among “partner forces”...
American policy, which was always in essence a quick fix, may have led to quick victories in Iraq and the retreat of the black standard in Syria. But these victories were superficial. The situation is hardly fixed, and the threat from IS – insurgent and now resurgent – remains.
This essay is in no way a negative judgement on the people in our military - with the exception of the incompetents on top.
What this essay is is an indictment of our leaders, our political leaders specifically.
The premise is "war is the continuation of politics by other means."
If we are constantly at war, and we consistently fail at war, then our political leaders must totally suck at politics and our military leaders don't have the courage to do what is right.
We are losing the war in Iraq for the same reason we lost the war in Vietnam: we are fighting one war, while the insurgents fight another. In both campaigns, we understood neither our enemy nor our friends.
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Military Industrial Corporate Complex is just
another corrupt, incompetent American Craporate interest. The more coin it inhales, the worse it's run. Sound familiar? Rec'd!!
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
So, maybe the MIC "winning" money--
as opposed to actually winning wars--is the whole point.
That is, it isn't about winning wars. Rather it's about siphoning off vast amounts of national resources into the war machine in order to make a relatively small group of its employees and contractors and captured politicians wealthy and powerful at everybody else's expense.
Perhaps it is also about using the Pentagon as a "make work" program for the American population.
Assuming that Putin's presentation of his new weapon systems are not just propaganda, and he does in fact have working, effective "game changing" weapons such as the ones he has recently advertised, isn't it amazing that Russia has been able to produce such weapons at a mere fraction of the cost that the United States spends on its military budget? How are the Russians able to be so innovative, efficient, and effective, while the American MIC BURNS through resources?
For anyone even vaguely familiar, do some research on the F35 fighter program, which is now expected to cost $1.5 trillion, and yet still cannot do what it was designed to do. Everything I've read about it describes it as a high-priced "piece of junk," and a boondoggle. Sounds to me like Lockheed-Martin has had quite the "win," as have the congressional districts where its various parts and components have been subcontracted. (Perhaps for the pilots that may have to fly such planes in actual combat situations, however, not so much.)
The real target in Iraq was not their oil fields.
Burning Money Is The Goal
The Russian MIC is not nearly as corrupt as America's and their politicians are not as depraved and insane. Russia will never forget WWII and the high cost of military "victory".
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
the whole point
Dingdingdingdingding!! That user gets a Marijuana!
(I live in Colorado, I can say that!)
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
The US spends money on fleets, air wings and divisions
to refight a 'conventional' war (see WWII), but the world doesn't work that way any more.
Tanks, aircraft carriers and F-35's can't do much when it comes to IED builders.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Yeah our military is not
Yeah our military is not needing to win wars, just test what the MIC makes so that they can sell the weapons used and live demonstrations in action that our Military is made to use as they also simply rob places of resources for the Plutocrats.
So long, and thanks for all the fish
How many of our 'finest and bravest' are even doing the fightin?
Hmm? Aren't we using private terrorist organizations instead of sending our boys and girls into harm's way? /s
The purpose of our wars is to transfer our money to the defense industry. The longer the war the more money that flows into their pockets. War is a $2 billion dollar a day scam. And to remove the leaders who won't allow our "special interests"to have access to their resources.
Imagine if that $2,000,000,000/day was being spent on this country instead.
Putin isn’t going to make you homeless or kill you or deny you health care.
Your government will allow it to happen though.
In any other Plutocracy
these military leaders would be lined up in front of a wall.
A premptive strike should be considered a military option.
We live in interesting times, eh?
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
Now now.
"We have to look forward"
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Obama's legacy
Putin isn’t going to make you homeless or kill you or deny you health care.
Your government will allow it to happen though.
Divide and conquer
They do it to us.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
Skills at duck hunting does not translate into hunting bears
This is the scary part. During the election it was clear to me that Hillary wanted to go bear hunting--and now Trump is looking to go dragon hunting. And now May is trying to be some modern day Churchill slaming the Russians.
The neocon deep state seems to be itching for a fight with Russia. One military analyst said that the US and NATO overwhelm Russia with sheer number of weapons but that Russian weapons are superior to Westen weapons systems.
The Nazis built over engineered tanks while the Russians built the T-34 which military experts on the History channel declared thee most event turning tank in modern warfare. The US builds super high tech missile destroyers under a system called Aegis--TV recuritment ads mention it. Sources tell of one of those destroyers enterining the Black Sea during the take over of Crimea. Two Russian jets approached the destroyer and apparently totally knocked out their entire electrical/Aegis computer systems using electronic countermeasures. The destroyer was dead in the water without any ability to protect itself.
We can't pacify third world countries.
The Powell Doctrine
Following this would stop
mostevery war we are engaged in:Not having a "clear attainable objective" and a "plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement" eliminates every single current war.
The Powell Doctrine
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
A healthier, better educated, better infrastructured amerika
etc.etc.etc. would make us much safer than any/everything
our vaunted military is doing. Charity is meant to start at
home.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Message from boots on the ground. A vet speaks.
This guy needs to get his message out
to others who are thinking of joining the military. On top of that he can pass out Smedley's book.
The "we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" is still being said. Military worship is too strong in this country. I wish I knew how to wake people up and get them to see the truth about how it's this country that is the biggest threat to peace. Many people have said that.
Putin isn’t going to make you homeless or kill you or deny you health care.
Your government will allow it to happen though.
Civilian Control of The Miltary
The sorriest bunch of bloodthirsty sociopaths in history.
What was supposed to be a political check on military adventurism has turned into the motivation for neverending war. The militaristic mindset of our Neoliberal/Neoconservative military consensus has propelled us into unnecessary and unwinnable wars without end.
It is impossible to wage a military war against an ideology. The political glorification of war by politicians and the media will lead to the downfall and destruction of the American Empire. A nuclear war, in pursuit of political dominance, will make our planet uninhabitable and could lead to the extinction of human life.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
Not to worry, but
it will happen regardless of weapons.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Can we finally admit that our military isn't that good?
Yes, but no military is, or had ever been, good enough to deliver victory in the various foolish wars our political system has ordered the military to fight.
I knew, when I was in,
that if Russia knew what a sorry piece of crap our vehicles and equipment were they'd be storming over their Berlin Wall to stomp our ass so fast we'd barely be able to get breakfast down. This, I thought to myself, is the U.S. Army? "Well, no," my platoon Sgt. said, "the Real U.S. Army is in Vietnam. This is the second team." Turns out the first team had crap to work with too. Not that they would have won with better crap. They wouldn't have. That war, like all "wars" since, was designed to lose. There's no money in winning. Catch-22 had it right. If you can't make a buck in war how you ever gonna make a buck in peace time? Not that we've ever had much, but...
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
I guess we found out
what happens when you run an army the you run a (corporate) business.
Public opinion as expressed by the Sinclair network
probably has little-to-no truth in it. Seriously doubt the majority of US taxpayers mentally support the idea of endless wars. Although many are led to believe in the military solutions the pentagonians espouse, far more would see those resources remain within the nation.
question everything
As a British friend is wont to remind me...
The US hasn't won a war since WWII.
since WWII
Neither have the British. (In nearly all cases, they're the same wars. And if the Falklands/Malvinas count as a win, so does Grenada.)
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I saw this infographic today
I was born in 1982; I was 18 when 9/11 happened, I will be 36 this year. I'm pretty sure it's more than 50% for me.
This shit is bananas.