"Democrats are throwing in the towel on collusion"

The fact that this article was posted in the WashPost. the mouthpiece of the Democratic Party establishment, makes this significant.

Once the dust settles, the Democrats and their media allies will realize that there is nothing more to this story than what Flynn has admitted to. Commentators are saying Flynn has agreed to cooperate, as if that is something new. The fact is, there was never a time when Flynn wasn’t cooperating. He has been a cooperating witness since special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation began.

The Democrats won’t admit it, but they are throwing in the towel on collusion. Their only choice now is to prop up the convoluted claim of obstruction of justice, and that could go on forever. The ordeal may be bothersome for the White House, but it won’t be fatal.

Oh and by the way, let’s reflect on what has happened in this investigation so far. Paul Manafort and Rick Gates were indicted on matters associated with foreign-agent registration and money laundering that predated any engagement they had with Trump. Flynn has pleaded guilty to a crime that occurred after the campaign was over. To be precise, none of this involves the president or his campaign. It’s all ugly and ragged, but this White House has a lot of ugly and ragged.

To quote a friend of mine, the Democrats have been spiking the football on the 40 yard line.
What will they do at TOP without their wet dream of impeaching Trump for treason?

In a related note, this poll from the bluest of blue states is revealing.

Sixty-two percent of Republicans in the poll said it’s time for a third party to rival the powers that be, compared with 59% of Democrats. Not surprisingly, the sentiment is even stronger among “independent” California voters who don’t register with a party — 72% said the two big political parties aren’t making the grade.
In all other subsets of voters — by age, ethnicity, high school or college graduates and more — just 36% or fewer think the two-party system is working. The message seems loud and clear.

[Update]
OK. This is bizarre.

House Republicans Prepare Contempt Action Against FBI, DOJ

U.S. House Republicans are drafting a contempt of Congress resolution against Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray, claiming stonewalling in producing material related to the Russia-Trump probes and other matters.

Isn't the DOJ controlled by the Trump Administration? Didn't Trump appoint the FBI director?

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dervish's picture

everyone runs for the exits. You're right, the collusion issue is dead.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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That's one thing that will never stop.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

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I personally said all along that if they didn't make good on the claims of RussiaGate then I would forever brand them as the party of insanity -- the party willing to go to global thermonuclear war in order to cover for their corruption.

If they don't make some sort of "Russia threw the election" charge stick then that's how I will remember them for quite some time.

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Parties of Insanity.
The GOP there first, but they won't be lonely.

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@SnappleBC Birtherism. Probably why Obama won in 2012. Well that and Romney was a dick.

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@Steven D He was not only a dick. He was a terrible campaign politician.

He had the campaign charisma of a John Kerry without the integrity.

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I believe three of them.

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@gjohnsit
Bush misled on WMD, New World Order and Lizard People ? I'm with you on the first two.

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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

@Azazello
It's a mathematical probability.
They just haven't visited Earth. They have better places to be.

New World Order? That depends on what that means. Same with Lizard People.

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@gjohnsit
have irrefutable proof they haven't been here?

They just haven't visited Earth.

I think humans make a great joke. It's more than likely that we're a tourist trap on the map to the stars for more intelligent beings.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

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@Pricknick
place with or without humans. Even better without. I can't imagine being in the neighborhood and not stopping here if for no other reason than Poland Spring water.

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@Wink def a meetup to be arranged. Three potatoes/day diet is good. Russet. Next Yukon Gold. My ulcer diet. With Pharma. Cortland? A&W or Chinese Buffet or Doug's Fish Fry.

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@riverlover
if you want to be closer to Ithaca that's fine, too. Either, or. I love Doug's, but any food will do. I'll see if StevenD wishes to come along. Anybody else in CNY? Smile

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@Pricknick or functions yet unknown. Leading with gene acquisitions? From no known agent? FMR part-time virologist here, retros are a battle. Trained in Cell biology.

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@Pricknick Heck, my wife is an alien.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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@gjohnsit lol, yeah, don't we all

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@gjohnsit
this is specifically about conspiracies -- presumably, in this case, a conspiracy covering up the direct evidence that aliens have, in fact, been on earth. which is something i consider slightly more likely than that an omniscient, omnipotent being created the universe out of nothing, put us on this tiny speck of dust in some random point therein, and continues to obsess over who fucks who and whether he's getting the attention he should.

i'm also a bit confused about the "medical industry invents diseases" one. i'm not sure if this refers to the idea that diseases like "restless legs syndrome" exist primarily as marketing ploys, or whether the idea is that the medical industry actually develops organic diseases -- e.g., novel viruses.

i'm conflicted about the "Bush intentionally misled," item. I've no doubt that somebody misled, but I think it's possible that Bush himself fell for whatever BS Cheney et al fed him in order to satisfy his need to invade Iraq.

as noted above by Deja, fluoride does have some negative health effects, but then, pretty much everything does. the question at hand is, is there some sort of conspiracy in play so as to facilitate the continuous poisoning of the American public? people who believe in a fluoride conspiracy aren't usually talking about spotted teeth, or even osteoporosis, they're talking about brain damage -- making Americans stupid and compliant. before the fall of the Soviet Union, it was a communist plot; after the fall of the Soviet Union, it was some sort of corporatist plot. the believers had no trouble switching gears between the two narratives. it was rather bizarre to witness.

similarly, i don't quite know what they mean by the NWO conspiracy. no, i don't think the UN has black helicopters that they will one day be deploying against the American population. yes, i do believe that the high and the mighty of finance and industry have an agenda for controlling international politics -- but is it a conspiracy when most of it is in plain sight (IMF and World Bank, for example)?

counting Iraq/WMD as a 1.0, i'd say i'm probably 1.5. i don't necessarily "believe" there was a conspiracy to assassinate JFK, but i think it's a pretty strong possibility.

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd I'm pretty damned sure everybody in the Bush administration with a high security clearance knew that they were creating a pretext to loot Iraq for its oil.

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@Azazello Come on, it's obvious.

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@gjohnsit
Too much fluoride causes dental fluorosis. While the teeth are generally more resistant to cavities/decay, they are sometimes stained all the way through the enamel - some stains are extremely white, while others are redish brown. Also, those with moderate to severe cases have pits in their enamel.

And, some scientist believe there is a link to osteoporosis, especially in those who have dental fluorosis.

Water can contain fluoride naturally, like the well water near Lubbock, Tx. (Oglala Aquifer, I believe.) That's where I got my fluorosis as a kid - and every single family member and neighbor I can remember eventually developed osteoporosis, as well.

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@gjohnsit
JFK obvious conspiracy when supposed killer killed
Bush WMD duh. amazing over 50% still buy the Dubya horse$h!t
Aliens. the circumstantial evidence is everywhere
New World Order Bush 41 as much as admitted it
Roswell ufo crash when has The Gov't EVER told the truth
Gov't allowed 9/11 If not, at least ignored intel, turned a blind eye

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@gjohnsit And they didn't even put down any of the Clinton ones. Put me down for believing nearly all of those, even the ones involving basements that don't exist. Smile

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@gjohnsit I want to see who voted 6+. I could be losing the ability to synthesize. Losingbrainvolumeis strangely liberating.

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@gjohnsit and iffy on a couple others.

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This shit is bananas.

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@gjohnsit

Did WMD's exist? That is historically proven fact not subject to "belief". No, they did not. The way Bush manufactured his intelligence is also a matter of historical fact.

Aliens exist: Sure. I'm less convinced they exist here. But I'm pretty sure they exist somewhere and I wouldn't be utterly surprised if we've been paid a visit or two somewhere along the way. Call me "undecided waiting evidence" on the question of local aliens.

New World Order: If that means what I Think it means then how, exactly could you NOT believe in it? That'd be like not believing in the sun. I mean... isn't that Davos and the like happening right there in front of us?

The government controls minds with TV: Sure, and print media. That's what all those think tanks and pundits are all about, no? Oh... you meant DIRECT mind control. Nope, sorry.

The government allowed 9/11: I don't believe in that yet but I find the notion entirely plausible. I'd need more facts to come to my attention before I believed in that one though. For me, at least, it's plenty enough that I even find it plausible.

Personally I find it fascinating that the WMD one is on that list. How can anyone even begin to call that a "theory" at this point? It's akin to saying, "Do you believe in the theory that Obama was president?" Whoever put that list together is an accomplished propagandist.

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@gjohnsit
Alien exists and have visited planet earth. Proof: I am here.

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@gjohnsit a vaccine is a tiny dose of a fatal disease causing organism which is intended to provoke the body to develop immunity to the disease. What is implicated in autism is the aluminum, an element poisonous to humans, contained in the dose. Why aluminum, you ask? Quien sabe. Vaccines were once manufactured in the USA under strict regulation and supervision. Now, they are manufactured God only knows where, under quite possibly no regulation or supervision.

It is my opinion that JFK was indeed killed by a conspiracy lead by Allen Dulles, surely one of the most wicked men who ever lived, enabled by VP Johnson, with the Israelis as very interested onlookers. Kennedy was demanding that AIPAC, or perhaps it was the predecessor to that organization, register as the agent of a foreign govt. He also didn't appreciate the theft of nuclear materials from the USA.

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@Nastarana which is supposed to not be used in them anymore. Also the flu, chickenpox and measles for example usually aren't fatal. Usually. People who can't get the vaccine for whatever reason depend on herd immunity. And it's not a live strain of the disease put into the vaccine.

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@Daenerys
CT-rooted analysis. the anti-vax community has for 20 years been chasing after a probable cause of vax-induced autism. should any particular such cause be shot down by research, they simply leap for another. the essential difficulty, however, is that nobody has even shown a statistical correlation to demonstrate that there is any link, causal or otherwise, between vaccination and autism. the anti-vax community simply believes such a link exists, based primarily on anecdotal inference of the most statistically naive sort.

this is similar to what I elsewhere observed about the "fluoride conspiracy". it was universally understood, by those subscribing to the theory, to be a Commie Plot. when the commies went away, but fluoridation did not, a new conspiracy needed to be found, and quite promptly and effortlessly was.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

@UntimelyRippd you offer no explanation as to why substances known to be both poisonous to humans and known to accumulate in the body, mercury and aluminium, need to be added to vaccines at all.

I love the way you talk all around my point which is not that vaccines are or are not harmful, but that we simply do not know anymore where in the world they are being manufactured, by whom, and under what, if any, supervision and quality control. Might you care to enlighten us on those points?

I doubt I am the only person around who simply no longer believes in the integrity and benevolence of Big Pharma. And, no, that statement is not "demonizing" it merely expresses my considered opinion.

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@Daenerys it is likely both, as well as God only knows what else.

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@Nastarana The Dulles brothers. Grandfathers of the police state we currently enjoy.

Hats off as well to Lee Atwater.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

Financial literacy, especially as it relates to what credit card companies are legally able to do to consumers, is not taught in schools, is probably why the history of the CIA isn't either. We can't have the public at large informed about these things, can we?

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@gjohnsit
Of course Bush lied, that's established fact.
It is impossible that alien life does not exist.
There is a new world order, but it is not a conspiracy, it is a natural outgrowth of capitalism and nation states.
The government uses television to influence us, but it is called propaganda.
Bush was told about the threat of 9/11 and intentionally ignored it. I think he wanted an excuse for the Patriot Act, but he didn't think it would be as bad as it happened, hence the "My Pet Goat" stare.
I have skeletal fluorosis.

I'd say 3 or 6, depending on your definition.

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On to Biden since 1973

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find that the deadly peace and quiet of the Sacred Two-Party System is totally preferable than a "third party" concocted in the interests of eventual survival. And here's a song about them...

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once the republicans got their tax cuts done, the Russian interference propaganda would go away. Poof... no need for this distraction from what the republicans had been doing while everyone was playing Russian roulette. This was created by Hillary for sure and possibly Obama after the DNC computers were hacked which was the story that they went with.
But we know that they weren't hacked, the information was leaked. And if anyone pointed out that the FBI never looked into it because the DNC wouldn't let them, we were told that we were Putin lovers and Russian bots. The other reason I've heard for this was to neuter Trump so he couldn't play nice with Putin

How is ToP going to handle this? Whoo Boy! I can't wait to see how it is. ROFL

The bigger question is that how will Rachel explain this to her followers? Another ROTFLMAO!
This is why her ratings skyrocketed after the election.

This made my day.

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many people were given immunity and then they weren't asked any questions.
And as the article states, Flynn was being investigated for his lobbying business and so was John Podesta. What happened to those charges? Hmm
Did anyone read the comments on this? This seems to be how ToP and others are going to handle it. Sigh.

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@snoopydawg The web is a cruel mistress.

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Surely you remember various people posting over and over contrasts between DKOS posts of the past and ones in the 2016 primaries... oftentimes by the same people about the same candidate. Markos, for instance, had an astonishing turnaround in his opinion of Hillary Clinton.

No, when confronted with the hard evidence they will simply ignore it. Probably they'll chastise you for relitigating the primaries or somesuch.

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OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS’ IRAQ WITHDRAWAL

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a “realistic withdrawal date.” They declined.

Thus, the 2010 deadline fixed by Obama is a meaningless concept, thrown in as a sop to his anti-war base.

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@snoopydawg tell the truth? And does Obama even know what truth means?

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@gulfgal98

is that he thought that Reagan was a great president and then he governed like him. The economy got much worse during his tenure and of course he continued PNAC's goals in the Middle East.
How people can't see him for who he is unbelievable. It's so obvious.

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@snoopydawg

Changes his suit to suit the situation. How many times has he 'changed' his name? Once, twice, I can't remember.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@snoopydawg @snoopydawg
under the old Hopey-Changey Transformational guise.

And now he’s out-Clintoning the Clintons on the’speech and influence peddling’ circuit.

EDIT: aringer/a ringer

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@snoopydawg Well, he also told the truth at the presidential debates in 2012, when he said that he and Mitt Romney shared the same views on Social Security.

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@gulfgal98

Did Obama ever tell the truth? And does Obama even know what truth means?

Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?

-- Christian Scriptures, John 18:38 (KJV) source

Wink

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@thanatokephaloides O put the nail in Dems by not engaging.

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@gulfgal98
As much as we know what truth means ... we are all equal, you know that ...

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I'm reminded of the case of the UFO cult that believed flying saucers would arrive at a certain time and place to save them from a doomed planet. But when the spacemen didn't arrive, did the cult lose faith in their leader? Did they abandon their beliefs?

No, they doubled down on their beliefs. They said the UFOs would still come, just at a later date, inadvertently making themselves one of the earliest case studies in cognitive dissonance.

Cognitive dissonance, of course, is defined as the anxiety caused by holding two conflicting ideas simultaneously. Recall that these are the same people who always insisted that all the smoke that followed the Clintons around amounted to nothing more than unhinged conspiracy theories. And yet here they are, doing the same thing. They must be chugging the Pepto Bismol right now.

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@movie buff up to a bone shatter. I need a DEXA scan. Casts and I are not copacetic. Thunk. Oak stairs.

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@movie buff
They believed the world would end in 1843-44, and when both years passed without incident, the hard core doubled down om their beliefs (but gave up on dates) and eventually formed the Seventh-Day Adventist denomination.

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Sounds exactly like the Millerites They believed the world would end in 1843-44, and when both years passed without incident, the hard core doubled down om their beliefs (but gave up on dates) and eventually formed the Seventh-Day Adventist denomination.

This was just the latest iteration of a problem Christianity has faced since the days of Ignatius of Antioch (c. 35 - c. 107 CE). By the time Ignatius died, the entire generation to which Jesus belonged was clearly gone, dead, passed away; yet the world was still here, the Romans still ruled the Jews almost everywhere they existed; nothing had changed for the better and much, in fact, had changed for the worse. (The parallels to our own times are frightening!) The promise ascribed to Jesus in Matthew's Gospel (24:34) had failed to be fulfilled, at least literally. What the mainstream Christian Community generally did about this was to state that the promise had in fact been fulfilled when Titus Flavius and the Roman forces under him destroyed the Second Temple and the Pharisee-Sadducee State in 70 CE. But there were always those, like the Millerites, who insisted that only the utter end of our world, globally, could fulfill these prophecies.

This is where Adventism, in all its various shades of wild wackyness, comes from. This was the first major crisis within Christianity, and the Christians of the time never healed it properly, with predictably disastrous results.

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In response to my sharing this:

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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@divineorder

Excellent piece with so many links in it I'll be reading them for days. Or weeks.
I especially like these two snippets from it.

The simple truth is that it doesn’t matter who hacked the DNC or if there was even a hack at all because the recovered Clinton campaign emails and the damning revelations found inside them were all 100% real and unaltered in any meaningful way. You cannot “rig” an election by telling people the truth and exposing the uncomfortable facts about powerful people is called journalism, not “spreading propaganda.”

it simply doesn’t matter if Russia hacked the DNC; an informed public has literally no reason to care if the Podesta emails were delivered by Ivan the Terrible himself, as long as they’re real

This is the point that nobody ever talked about. Were the emails that Wikileaks released true or not? Not one person from her campaign has ever denied that Podesta wrote what he did.

I followed one link to the Hillary interview on ABC. I could imagine her tone when she said this.

"I have come to terms with the fact that a lot of people — millions and millions of people — decided they just didn't like me. Imagine what that feels like. It hurts. And it's a hard thing to accept. But there's no getting around it," she said.

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They Don’t Want To KNOW!
An actual response I’ve gotten several times from different people(including my SO) i figure they’re telling me the truth- they don’t wanna know.
People are weird.

Stop These Fucking Wars

peace

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Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

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Now you know. . .
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@Tall Bald and Ugly Keep telling them, whether or not they want to hear it.

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@snoopydawg
most people, if they knew me well, wouldn't like me very much. i don't worry about it. why should they like me, when i disagree with them on so many subjects?

there's a woman i'm rather mad about. she's not interested in me. that doesn't hurt my feelings, and it doesn't make me feel anything negative towards her. she doesn't have some sort of obligation to like me just because i like her. the universe is indifferent to our sorrow, right down to and including the fact that, as Willie Nelson once observed to a journalist, gesturing out at the crowd, "90% of them aren't here with their first choice."

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

Deja's picture

@UntimelyRippd
Nothin' I Can Do about it Now

[video:https://youtu.be/vAS5sbt-8yE]

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@snoopydawg  
There is at least one member on TOP — quite casually, as a throwaway remark while apparently focusing on some quite different controversy, in this case the discussion of why a certain well-beloved TOP member might have been banned — trying to catapult the propaganda that the DNC e-mails were “doctored.”

https://www.dailykos.com/comments/1715807/68414423#comment_68414423

i’m thinking of how it’s now coming out that the so-called dnc emails leaked by wikileaks were actually doctored. how long has it taken for that to be revealed?

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@divineorder Good ol' Nina--good to see she's still in business.

A very scrupulous and meticulous blogger.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Daenerys's picture

If this doesn't convince people of how useless the Dems are I don't know what will.

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This shit is bananas.

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@Daenerys
Some will fall head over heels for him again regardless of if he plays for the demonrats.
Others like myself, have demexited for a reason.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

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@Pricknick n/t

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This shit is bananas.

riverlover's picture

@Pricknick I grew weary of the lies.Gaslighting was the afterburn (no pun intended)

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

@Pricknick

no thx.

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@Daenerys and since the system is completely rigged against third parties, We the sheeple have a problem with our political system.
Sure would be nice to have THAT national discussion wouldn't it.

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@Big Al
What problem?
This shit works Just Fine for Them only. Feature, no bug.

Stop These Fucking Wars

peace

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march

Bollox Ref's picture

Flynn lied to the FBI, just like Martha Stewart.

The Dems are on to something,... you can just smell the cookies in the tastefully decorated kitchen.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@Bollox Ref

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riverlover's picture

@Deja or other GPS device.

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@riverlover  
from Germany.

http://www.dw.com/en/germany-bans-syrian-who-flew-to-greece-with-ankle-m...

A refugee who was fitted with an electronic ankle tag monitor following violent behavior has been barred from Germany after leaving the country. Police had dropped an investigation into whether the man posed a threat.

A man who had been fitted with an electronic ankle tag as a surveillance measure was allowed to leave Germany unhindered on a commercial flight, according to press reports.

Boarding a plane and leaving the country unhindered? This is probably not the image most people have of what an electronic ankle tag is supposed to accomplish.

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@Bollox Ref
Flynn won't be doing any time in a six by nine.

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@Wink Unlike that black kid down the road who got caught with a nickle bag.

Or that white kid who posted a link to material the government doesn't want you knowing about.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Mueller, the good honest fair prosecutor, is still lining up his proverbial ducks. This is a common tactic of the prosecutors on Law and Order. Mueller is in the process of getting more flippers before lowering the proverbial boon on Trump. Brilliant use of lowering charges to get cooperation. So what if none of the charges against anybody has anything to do with "collusion", asking that question just means you are naive in the ways of how prosecutors work.

But I think the WaPo article is correct--the collusion angle is dead, so now Russia-gate will turn into obstruction of justice, Logan Act, jaywalking or anything to keep the faithful in line.

I would bet in less than a year, establishment democrats will claim that Putin go to Mueller.

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@MrWebster

as well as Brennan, Clapper and others in the intelligence agencies because they lied about WMDs, they were part of the torture cliques and a bunch of other bad things that this country has done.
But I suppose that if Bush can be a new hero to them because he said something bad about Trump and if McCain can also be a hero to them because he voted against the ACA repeal.
This makes it okay for them to be friends with Mueller because he's going after Trump, the popular vote loser.
SMDH

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

@snoopydawg One of the favorite descriptions of Maddow is that she connects the dots. Apparently when it comes to Bush, Mueller, etc., no dots are connected. Heck, in the case of Bush, democrats seemed to have forgot about his invasion of Iraq and what that wrought.

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@MrWebster Or how he committed racist election fraud both times to get into the White House.

One would think, given their concern with racism and election rigging, that they'd remember that. No?

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@snoopydawg Oh, you noticed that:

But I suppose that if Bush can be a new hero to them because he said something bad about Trump

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@MrWebster
on Twitter say "it wasn't about collusion." Lol. "It's about obstruction of justice, blah blah blah." What will Rachel talk about now?

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@MrWebster
Mueller might really be after Hillary. Then what will the Hillbots say?

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On to Biden since 1973

@doh1304

with Robert Mueller is NOT identifying or prosecuting the anthrax perpetrator, thought the scientific community tried to show him where to look. What he's good at is NOT solving a crime against the American people and making it look unsolvable. So I wouldn't get my hopes up about him going after Hillary Clinton or anyone else. I wish you were right. But I doubt it.

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6 + Seth Rich was murdered for leaking the DNC info.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

Wink's picture

@ggersh
have vanished, story long disappeared. I suspect when we find out more of the story it won't favor Her Heinous or the DNC.

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And McCartney is still with us.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@on the cusp

unless someone else admitted it first Smile
I know which one you and I agree on.

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@on the cusp Rec'd!!

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

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@orlbucfan

Yeah, and John Lennon is still dead.

As is Generalissimo Francisco Franco:

[video:https://youtu.be/axByUFSa7N8]

Wink

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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Some Bernie supporters sang holiday cheers to the people in line for Hillary's book signing. Smile

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