Polls: Democrats are so discouraged they are willing to vote third-party
Submitted by gjohnsit on Wed, 07/19/2017 - 5:39pm
Most people don't like Republicans or their policies.
However, Democrats still haven't given people reason to vote.
A Washington Post-ABC News poll offers conflicting forecasts for the 2018 midterm elections, with voters clearly preferring Democrats in control of Congress to check President Trump even as Republicans appear more motivated to show up at the polls.
This poll actually understates how much the Democratic Party has failed to inspire it's voters. For a true measurement you'll need to look at this poll.
An icitizen survey released Monday found that most Democrats — 60 percent — were likely to consider voting for a third-party presidential candidate in three years, compared with just 29 percent of Republicans.
Among unaffiliated voters, the figure was 76 percent.
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“With news of a petition to ‘Draft Bernie [Sanders] For President,’ many groups are looking to create a new party and make a run in 2020,” said the icitizen analysis.
The poll had good news for Berniecrats, Libertarians and Greens: 70 percent of those surveyed agreed that third parties are necessary and that the two major parties “do not represent them well.”
At this point someone more clever than I should say something about the Whig Party and Democrats.
58% of Democrats want new leadership, but the Democratic establishment absolutely refuses to let that happen.
52% say the Dems don't stand for anything.
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The 'Democratic' 'Party'
is just happy that it doesn't actually have dues paying, individual members who can vote for the leadership via ballot (see Labour, J. Corbyn).
Being a registered Dem is a very different thing. The donors choose for you. "Embrace the suck", and "Eat your peas". Nutritionally very poor.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
@Bollox Ref "In Soviet Russia, Party
"In Soviet Russia, Party choose you!"
What a country.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
This last weekend I started reading
"The Essential Saker", the book, not yet his blog. There was a chapter in there that listed all the old Soviet practices, and by God if "we" don't meet almost all of them. Great book, lots to digest, lots of good history on Russia. That one will require a re-read, I tend to gobble a good one and then go back and read slower next time around.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Socialist Alternative
See also Socialist Alternative right here in the good ol' US of A!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
@thanatokephaloides Than! It's great to
Than! It's great to "see" you!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
thank you!
Thank you! I'm borrowing my Mom's laptop right now, so I can make my rounds here... I suspect that as soon as I get a replacement keyboard for mine, it'll be back on the air. I was able to bring iut up, but still no KB functions....
And, as always, great to "see" you, CSTMS!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I don't know how you feel about Amazon, but I got a keyboard
From them recently for my 3rd computer (Yes, I am a dork, I have 3 computers, 4 monitors plus a tablet on a stand so I can multi-task projects while also playing a game and streaming podcasts, lol!)
They have a combo keyboard and mouse on sale right now for under $15 and eligible for Prime shipping or just a keyboard for $12.99.
I got just the keyboard because I use high resolution gaming mice but the keyboard is pretty damn solid with good key response and feel. It's not quite up to the level of my Razer Black Widow Ultimate, but for the price it's a damn good deal.
(And now I am pissed because when looking it up I see it dropped $30 in price since I purchased it, and if you do want a really great keyboard with old school mechanical style keys (Durable and very responsive, those that actually learned how to type back in the days of a Typewriter will really love the feel of the keystrokes.)
Oh great, now I am double pissed, they got a refurb model of mine now for $50, lol!
I really like the back light feature (and how you can change the colors or even have it cycle through the various colors) which makes it much easier to see to type if you spend a lot of your time in a dark room in front of a keyboard.
As an open offer to all my C99P peeps, I am always here to help you guys with troubleshooting computer problems or selecting which new electronic devices to purchase, that is an area where I do have a lot of expertise I can share.
Started out in the early 80's with an old TRS-80 with a cassette tape drive for data storage and 8k of ram and never looked back, lol!
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
starting out
I started out in the mid-1970s with a Teletype connecetd to a DEC PDP-10 (DECsystem-10). The first system I actually owned was a Commodore VIC-20.....
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Ahhh good ol Vic!
He and I were good friends until the C-64 came out, then the C-128. I skipped the Amiga 500 and waited for the 1000.
Just thinking about it makes me want to dig up my emulator and play some Elite.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
They discouraged me so much
I became a Green.
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
Same here my friend!
Although to be honest I am thinking about just going to "No Party Affiliation" on my registration again. I like a lot of what the greens stand for, but they are so fractured and full of different cliques and their over-sensitivity to language and willingness to take things out of context in order to find offense to be almost as bad as the chronically triggered TOP member.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Same here. I'm all in favor of a third Party
but the Greens aren't it. I'll vote Green locally for sure, but I don't think they've found the right formula to be nationally competitive.
native
I'll never vote Democrat again unless there is no other choice.
And even then, I would probably write someone in or leave it blank than vote for a corporatist. Only true progressives need apply.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020
@ZimInSeattle No more Democrats. Ever.
No more Democrats. Ever.
I mean, for me.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
As an aside, the Snohomish County Democrats are hosting
a gala next month and Nina Turner is the keynote speaker. I won't be attending as a ticket costs $150. Wish Nina, Bernie, Tulsi et al would pull the chain and dump the Dems once and for all.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020
A "Gala." They obviously
don't want the hoi polloi rank & file there.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
The times they are a changin'
It will take a lot more madness in Washington than we have seen to date in order to convince people to burn the two party system down - but we're getting damn close.
The Republicans have proven they're willing to do that. We almost did it this past election. It's only a matter of time until both major parties go the way of the Whigs.
It's just my opinion. It can't hurt you
We did do it this past election.
We handed the Democratic Party their asses this past election. Knocked them out cold.
What were seeing is their ghost, rattling through reality thinking everything is the same and they are still in control of the "everyday" people. They think they are beloved. They truly believe all the spare votes will come their way because of Trump and because we have no other choice but them. They display this every day in every way — and it is making the public recoil in disgust.
It is just amazing they cannot see this. In my opinion, the Democrats are contaminating their few rising stars with their self-absorbed corruption. They(!), who forced Donald Trump upon the world.
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Populations don’t like wars. They have to be lied into it.
That means we can be “truthed” into peace. — Julian Assange
An addict
especially one addicted to corruption is hard to cure.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
If "They" run HRC
in 2020 that will all but end the Dems.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Propaganda polls to try to keep people chained to the
duopoly. Last midterm only 37% of all eligible voters voted and in 2018 it's more than likely going to be less than that. So those poll numbers are very deceiving and don't even tell half the story.
@Big Al If 60% or more of
If 60% or more of eligible voters vote in the 2018 midterms, I'll eat my hat.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Big Al Although at this point,
Although at this point, with the DHS running the "elections" and the MSM fully on board, we could be at the point of them simply making numbers up. That would be the next step after eliminating exit polls because they didn't like the data they produced.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The D's: a "private nonprofit" that selects 1 of 2 Candidates
I remain very interested in the Florida case against the D Party's "collusion" against Bernie Sanders. The D's may, or may not be toast, but they have to change--a lot--and they show no inkling of doing it. I respect Sen. Sander's contention that making a 3rd Party in America really can't be done...the barriers are enormous...but I'm always reminded of the Iron Law of Institutions. 'The people who control institutions care first and foremost about their power within the institution rather than the power of the institution itself.' Witness the metamorphosis of one Howard Dean--who built a 50 state strategy, (which worked!) but felt it more important to climb back into the D' machine than to call Bullshit!
In conclusion, a crazy-pants long read from Politico(!) from Nick Haneuer. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/18/to-my-fellow-plutocrat...
This x 1000
This x 1000
What were seeing is their ghost, rattling through reality thinking everything is the same and they are still in control of the "everyday" people. They think they are beloved. @PlutosRepublic
It's just my opinion. It can't hurt you
Dems! Wake Up And Smell The Failure!
A brief well spoken rant over at Fusion:
http://fusion.kinja.com/democrats-wake-up-and-smell-the-failure-1797015279
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
The right wing Democrats that haunt that place
…are pushing back hard on that rant. Their perception of themselves as professional Democrats is awe-inspiring. In all the lengthy comments, at no point did anyone mention the international murder and mayhem that the US is inflicting on the world. Not one word; not a single thought. They have no idea of the deep sickness at the DNC. The whole thing is invisible to them. It's astonishing.
Populations don’t like wars. They have to be lied into it.
That means we can be “truthed” into peace. — Julian Assange
MILC still firmly in control it appears
Meanwhile
Link to downloading the full report:
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
I read that link the other day.
I couldn't make it farther than the first two comments. The first was exactly what I expected. Typical neo-liberal word salad blaming everyone but Herself. The next was an absolutely devastating "before everyone dogpiles on the author, here's all the ways they were right..." which I'm sure was dismissed. I expect tons of "yeah...but" and RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIA followed.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
That 52%
is right on the money - the dem party stands for nothing. They are in it to enrich themselves. We are the dirt under their shoes.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Barbara Lee running for President might save the Dimwits
She's made some heroic stands against these endless wars of choice.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Is a perfect storm of defeat in the distance?
Going back to the toady Schiff who warned early about resistance to Trump could radicalize the base and not be obedient to corporate establishment democrats. Seems like health care is the tip of the spear of that "radicalization". People are not fading into the night when CA-Dems struck at single payer. People are refusing to shut up and threatening political retaliation. Not only that but I wonder how Bernie activists who went over the Hillary must be thinking over the smears and political back stabbing of the establishment.
I don't think Trump will run in 2020. And from what I have been seeing, the dems could easily nominate another mini-Hillary in 2020.
The Democratic Party has once again declared that it has to go
still further right. https://caucus99percent.com/content/la-revoluci%C3%B3n
Politicians who please the rich enrich themselves and their families whether they win or lose elections.
Look at the wikis of some who either lost a primary or a general or decided not to run because they knew they'd lose. See what they did after grokking they were too unpopular with ordinary voters to win again. Cantor, Dodd, Lieberman, Daschle, Dean, to name just a few. al.
They're all doing just fine financially and still working the levers of power as lobbyists, think tank employees, etc. And we don't even always know about the benefits flowing to the spouses, kids, friends, etc.
They're just not that into us, nor does it pay them to be.