The political compass: sense of c99, where its members stand.
After days, weeks, even months of surfing the intertubes (well, actually alligators don't surf) I have come across many websites on YouTube. Some are absolutely looney, and I am not talking about Alex Jones et.al (although he is definitely "out there"). If you like conspiracy theories, you will have your heart's delight. Now, I do frequent the "Amen Corner" such as TYT, Jimmy Dore, Humanist, Secular Talk, and the Sane Progressive. But, desiring not to live in a pseudo-progressive ideological bubble, it is good to take a look around and see whatever other views are available, even the probably improbable ones. One doesn't have to swallow everything that's put out. Use critical thinking skills before judging. After all, we at c99 hold ourselves up as being able to dissect through the B.S. with reason (even if a certain amount of confirmation bias is inevitable).
Thus I have come across some truly interesting sites, with which I do not or may not agree. Many of these sites, even RW ones can present reasoned arguments; these are worthy of critical examination.
I actually am more prejudiced against so-called liberal sites that were all in for Killary; e.g., HuffPo, NYT, WaPo, primarily because they completely deny their biases.
One fantastic (an adjective I rarely use) site which is extremely thought-provoking is that of Sargon of Akkad, whose a Brit by the name of Carl Benjamin. I strongly recommend taking a look at his site. Because he has a UK-type of outlook, his take on events American can, like DeToqueville, be quite accurate.
An essay of his, my Political Compass results inspired me to look up this test which I completed several years ago, and repeated just before watching his video. I did not want to have my responses prejudiced by his--and they weren't.
The test, which is free, and the results which are instantaneous upon test completion, also free are pretty interesting. To take the test merely go to socialcompass.org. Completion takes less than 10 minutes. Of course not all answers are black or white.
My results landed me in the lower left (green) area. My scores were: economics: -6.5; social: -5.69.
This puts me in the same general quadrant as Ghandi, though I possess little of the man's greatness.
It could be quite interesting to gain a sense of the community, at least on how we rate on the Political Compass.
I've published my results. I would certainly be interested if others would do the same in the comment section.
Comments
Wow! You're "leftier" and greener than me.
Joe, you're almost off the chart.
Good on you, bro!
heh
careful, if you go further left and south, you come back on the other side far up right and north, a very chilly territory. /s
So its like a flat earth?
where you can fall of the edge..
I think it's more like you get to the edge and can hang your feet over the side sitting on the edge looking at utopia...
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I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
Hang ten! (n/t)
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
@joe shikspack Joe, I think I am
Joe, I think I am farther out there than you!
My results were as I expected. My law school gang back in the 80's considered me their pet commie.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
My results:
Economic Left/Right: -7.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020
I prefer the term: anarcho-socialist
You are a left social libertarian.
Left: 6.35, Libertarian: 4.27
This c99% is definitely libertarian left. Here's the reading
list from Political Compass for this quadrant:
nah, I protest, I am not libertarian
and I count too. I am just "freiheitsliebend", which is a much nicer and kinder form of libertarianism, I believe, at least for right now. /s
Yes. Frei heitsliebend. I was a hippie too.
heh
under capitalism:
man exploits woman and woman exploits man
under communism:
no man exploits any woman, no woman exploits any man, the party exploits both equally.
Besides I drank with a Laotian commie once upon a time. He thought that was amusing. Me too. With a little drink the exploitation works fine among them commies.
And don't tell me I am ridiculous. I know that already.
a polish guy told me this joke.
A Russian soldier and Polish soldier were out in woods together as part of a joint training exercise. They find a pot of gold.
Russian: We shall share our fortune fairly according to the principles of socialist justice.
Pole: Could we have an even split?
My friend said that the laughter was bitter laughter. Also that 1984 was not available to public in Poland at that time,60's.
My Results
Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.9
I have used economic improvement to neutralize some of the social negatives of being female. I was told as a teenager my logical choices to improve my economic status were marriage or becoming a teacher, social worker or nurse. Fortunately my parents said do what you want - there are no limits unless you place them in front of you and we are behind you for support.
Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.
Perhaps a better political compass for this place would be to
assess who supports what action to take at this point. Established third party, new third party, reform Democratic party, or a movement outside the electoral system.
either / or / and ...
new third or socialist party and movement outside the electoral system.
"a better political compass" How to count zeroes
thanks, how to get counted without answering a bunch of questions created by no one here? Seems funny to measure against other groups ideas on how to think (inside the boxes, lol). Now I'm curious about "where its members stand". Thanks Alligator Ed.
Maybe too old, or just too weary of feeding the data collection industry as it constantly measures the feel of the masses. I have no fucks left to give the bastards. If you want to hurt them stop using their products, don't march around whining how mean they are. This is oligarchy not democracy. Wake up.
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"With every page viewed the 1% makes money."
Peace
Edited to add: Upside down day :-D. whois socialcompass.com? (socialcompass.org has broken redirect btw, it is a parked domain). About:
Oy!
@Big Al Outside the electoral
Outside the electoral system, unless/until someone comes up with a reasonable idea for how to control said system.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
-9.13, -7.59
I'm a bit worried about that -7.59. Shouldn't it be closer to 10?
don't worry
if you are closer to 10, you might fall off the cliff. And what would that be good for?
Two tens!
We think you and Shaz are both tens!
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Somewhere to the left of Ghandi...
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.18
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
Took it again today, with consistent results.
Economic Left/Right: -9.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.13
I guess I'm not really a person of half-measures.
I have severe issues with Sargon.
He has used "Le Happy Merchant" graphic derivatives multiple times on his show.
I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he's just ignorant...
but if he is ignorant of the connotations of it, then he's not somebody who is paying enough attention to listen to.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Hmm interesting
I am curious which questions perhaps are weighted more than others...
Anyway
Economic Left/Right: -7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.44
So quad 3 like pretty much everyone here. Though some questions I was curious on (like land owning). Northern MN my dad owned some acres for hunting on (and we were definitely lower income folks here). So the question wondering if you believe land should be a commodity to be bought and sold... I went with "agree" but have to wonder how that then is viewed in the overall tabulation.
Anyway, reading the main page of that site, seeing Clinton/Trump way up in quad 1 kind of close to one another is humorous to me. "She's so PROGRESSIVE!!!" Yeah no. I'd like to have a candidate that is in the same quadrant as me (see not a purist). And hey, Jill was in my quadrant. So all is good
I didn't get that question about
property either.
Was it asking about the commoditization of land?
dfarrah
@dfarrah
Well, the land was pre-existing, (and aboriginal groups often didn't regard land as an object to be 'owned' by any individual, even where territory might need to be protected in a potentially hostile world) so I suspect that it was used as a proxy to determine whether or not the concept of private ownership was accepted.
I do believe that most people have a need to have something of their own and to profit from their labours, so I agreed that land should be bought and sold - it, like other property and rights, just shouldn't be stolen from people by the predatory.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@Ellen North Not to sound like
Not to sound like Bill Clinton, but it depends on what you mean by "should." I took "should" to mean "in an ideal world, would you want land to be a commodity that is bought and sold?" And, like water and air, I'd have to say no. Because land, water, and air either are or provide the necessities of life. It's better to buy and sell things that are not absolutely necessary.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
That one bugged me too.
I own 21.7 acres, according to my property taxes. I try to maintain less, physical difficulties. I consider myself caretaker, but I want the big bucks in trade. Just mostly eliminated 2.1 acres waterfront in Canada. No gain financially. I have not done my taxes for last year, but I can construct a wash or loss. I miss that place so much. Many happy memories before the sad. No value for either. Land is a commodity. Always has been.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
@riverlover It hasn't "always been
It hasn't "always been" a commodity, in the sense of being something to buy or sell. Many indigenous peoples on this continent had no concept of buying or selling land. It made no sense to them whatsoever. I bet they're not unique in this planet's history, either.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
-8.38, -6.05
But I found several of the questions to be flat out weird. A few that stuck with me:
"Are people born unlucky?" in the religion section- very vague. You could say someone born into an oppressive situation is unlucky, but it's not that they themselves are unlucky. Is this a disagree or agree?
The one regarding people who can work, should work- This question is framed from a simplistic regressive point of view. The way the question is written makes it perfectly natural to agree, but the question also doesn't paint a remotely accurate picture of how the system actually works. I would also say that people with lots of money who get lower tax rates on capital gains are the actually the group that this question accurately describes.
There are a bunch of other questions that I thought were flat out sloppy due to the lack of nuance. Does anyone think that Charles Manson could have been rehabilitated (regarding the question about whether the worst offenders can be rehabilitated)? I can't imagine that there would be much variation in the answer, so what was the question actually trying to determine?
This too
That was another question I was kind of fumbling with.
I mean yes we should focus on rehabilitation for the vast majority of the prison population. However, there are some who can't. You brought up Manson as an example. There are just those who can't be rehabilitated; that if they are released into the public, they will commit more atrocities.
... I seem to recall one "GW Bush" --
was he released into the general population? If so, more atrocities likely forthcoming --
When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.
Duplicate post -- sorry!
When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.
About Chuckie Manson
There are some people that are just born bad. They lack the necessary prefrontal lobe connections or function to have an ability to develop what is called social awareness, which combined with self-monitoring yields appropriate behavior in society--like not torturing other people. Environmental factors also play heavily in development (or non-development) of appropriate social behavior. Can a psychopath be "converted" to normality? I think the weight of the evidence is "No".
Of course, there are cases in which individuals should given the benefit of the doubt and at least be given an opportunity for "re-education". After all, isn't rehabilitation, which is just a nice way to say re-education, the purported reason for prison?
a word for charlie
I don't know if Charles Manson was born bad. He did take some very hard knocks as a boy. He was raped in reform school, for one thing.
"Next time,I held the kid down."
I think we make the effort to help Manson,though it probably won't mean much to him now.
It is for our souls too.
Apparently, I'm an epic fascist.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
I'm afraid you've tuned into the wrong website, Bollox
either that or you're color-blind and turned the graph upside down.
Well, being Tsar of Bulgaria
takes its toll.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Nah. He was so far down to the left he popped up on the
upper right. Bollox has mastered 11th dimensional chess.
My scores:
Economic: -8.0
Social: -5.59
I think it means I don't trust other people enough to be a libertarian.
“We may not be able to change the system, but we can make the system irrelevant in our lives and in the lives of those around us.”—John Beckett
Notice That Hilter Is at the Top of the Corporate Center.
That is kind of creepy, eh?
Not even joking. Look at that, right down the center, at the top.
That's what we're looking at from Democrats, IMO. They're further out there on the Right, but their pitching strong to the Center. Hitler looks to be pretty pragmatic on the econ front.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
@k9disc That's odd, since Hitler
That's odd, since Hitler was actually against the Wall St of his time. I guess they don't take the whole nationalism/independence thing into account.
He was pro-corporate, but industry wasn't in charge, as it is here.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Dreadful Hump... heh. nt
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
"Anarcho-libertarian"
My scores have been fairly consistent since I first took this test, 14 years or so ago. I've seen this political position called "anarcho-libertarian". I hesitate to describe myself that way because in the US, "libertarian" has a different connotation, being associated by the general public with the Libertarian Party.
After I figured out that I might be of the libertarian persuasion, I saw a notice about Libertarian Party meetings in my area (then living on Mississippi Gulf Coast), and considered going. I thought maybe I'd found "my people". Then I did some research. Boy, was I in for a big surprise. Darn it.
Economic Left/Right: -7.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
Wow! I'm left of Gandi?
Surprised where I ended up, but it is what it is:
Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.18
I keep drifting down and left,
But at least I'm still on the graph!
“What the herd hates most is the one who thinks differently; it is not so much the opinion itself, but the audacity of wanting to think for themselves, something that they do not know how to do.”
-Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
-7.75 and -7.69
(-8.13, -7.9 )
what would you say to get (0,0)?
makes me wonder about my neighbors.
testing 1, 2, 3
seems I'm slightly less radical than I assumed (according to this test)
econ -6.0, social -6.3
It's about our intentions and actions -- moving toward green
Also lower left quadrant: -8.88; -6.67
Having worked for the big test organization, I understand all the comments about reliability and validity -- the unfortunate refuge of behaviorists who promote multiple choice tests and who believe that knowledge arises from a view of human beings as mere black boxes.
That being said, whether or not the questions are skewed or results can be manipulated -- and they can -- the real question is of intent, purpose, motivation and committed direction.
So if I'm taking a test that I can manipulate and I manipulate my answer to be left of center and non-authoritarian, then good for me -- and good for us. These are the friends and partners I want.
As a Buddhist, I don't think that karma arises regardless of intent and I don't think that I can rely on astrology to move the world to a better place. I have only my intentions, actions and understanding of interdependence to guide me to working for a just society.
So whether we believe in this test as some ultimate tissue-typer or we understand that it's a measure of which direction we want to push toward, I'm happy to be a part of a community that sees the lower left quadrant as the place to be.
... looks like Karl Marx should be my avatar --
Economics: -9.63
Social/Libertarian: -7.59
Workers of the world, Unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!!
When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.
Glad I finally quit looking at socialcompass.org for that test
as instructed in the OP.
Economic Left/Right: -8.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I've taken it several
times with very similar results.
Econ: -2.6
Sociial: -4.2
Link... https://www.politicalcompass.org/
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
3rd quadrant here too
- 7.75, -6.1
Your Political Compass
Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -9.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.26
or
up about 1 1/2 square, on the intersection of 3 lines but nearer the bottom square, fairly near the extreme left edge of the green side.
And I haven't yet seen everyone else's, not having gone through the comments yet, but I'll bet we're pretty much all clustered in that area... I've done these sorts of tests before, and that seems to be my permanent sort of area, which I would think indicates similar accuracy among those various tests and the selected questions.
Edit: I did answer some things, such as some prisoners not being possible to rehabilitate with a 'disagree', rather than 'strongly disagree', because psychopaths have, essentially, a brain dysfunction causing them to lack empathy/conscience and, as stated by Dr. Robert Hare and others, it's not possible to alter this inability via therapy, but it's really not possible, I suppose, to frame questions in these sorts of quizzes so as to cover every circumstance possible within often complex issues, and variations due to such contingencies as these will, of course, affect results.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
As far as I'm concerned, TYT, apart from Jimmy Dore, is not
an Amen Corner. Nor is Secular Talk.
I'd add Lee Fang to my personal amen corner, though he has been a bit de-fanged recently.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Here's mine:
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
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