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Donald having higher ratings than Hillary is notable.
But it's nothing compared to what has happened to the Dems ratings post-election, after their decision to maintain the status quo.

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Digging into the polls:

Quinnipiac

While both the Democratic and Republican parties get negative favorability ratings, for the first time in two years, the Republican Party does better, with a negative 38 - 50 percent favorability, compared to the Democrats' 35 - 56 percent score.

This is the Republicans' best favorability score since a negative 38 - 49 percent rating in a November 26, 2014, Quinnipiac University poll, the last time the GOP outscored the Democrats. Today's favorability rating is the Democrats' worst since a 34 - 53 percent score September 28, 2015.

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Pelosi: No new direction

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riverlover's picture

They deserve whatever happens, unfortunately the rest of us get to ride along. smh

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sojourns's picture

Thus far there is little outright disagreement... Could it be possible that some of those dedicated kossacks have been visited upon by the Reason Stick?

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

Oldest Son Of A Sailor's picture

More than likely they are all huddled in a deeply depressed state that the Electoral College didn't ride to the rescue of The Party That Sold It's Soul...

They will be back full of piss & vinegar ready to oppose the progressives after a brief period of mourning...

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"Do you realize the responsibility I carry?
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."

~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
Pricknick's picture

Looks like a rec list.
The format you posted there is a little different and flows very well.

P.S. I hate watching the train wreck.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

is going to sink a hell of a lot lower if the "no new direction" caucus remains in charge.

If you haven't seen a tally of the carnage visited upon elected Democrats at both the state and federal levels during the last 8-10 years, you owe yourself a visit to the Googlez. Simply put, the party is no longer relevant.

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"The real power is in the hands of small groups of people and I don't think they have titles. -- Bob Dylan"

tally of carnage after election '16: https://imgur.com/a/Roplb

I don't fully agree with every point this person makes, but I'm 100% with the gist. Especially from the bulleted list of Dem losses through the end.

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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti

Pricknick's picture

was those sneaky Russians.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

Oldest Son Of A Sailor's picture

Those Russians interfering with our democracy...

Load up the nukes were going to war!

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"Do you realize the responsibility I carry?
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."

~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,

Viva la revolucion.

/s

The Resistance

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Beware the bullshit factories.

Although Dianne Feinstein might be an unlikely resistance leader at age 83, any senator can bring the entire U.S. Senate to a grinding halt because it operates by unanimous consent. Former Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) demonstrated this.

Does she have the guts?

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"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."

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Hell, no. She couldn't even deal with Sanders supporters booing at the Nevada state caucus. She said she felt afraid for her life. How's she going to stand up to the Senate Republicans?

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"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi

"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone

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Oh, you're right, it was Boxer. Same difference, though. Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein ... birds of a feather.

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"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi

"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone

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But Feinstein is so much worse than Boxer. Feinstein is a piece of trash on privacy rights, wars, corporate matters (TPP supporter!), and the environment. I even liked Boxer politically until she dove into hard core Clinton nepotism (her daughter has a son with Clinton's brother).

It was telling that Boxer tried to get people to reject her own water bill based on the poison pill riders that Feinstein inserted solely for the benefit of CA big ag.

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to Boxer's grandson, Zachary Rodham.

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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti

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In today's SF Chronicle Feinstein doesn't look like the best choice to lead a revolution against Trump:

"For starters, there’s the fact that her husband, billionaire investment banker Richard Blum, has generated controversy for Feinstein regarding his own business dealings with China, the Pentagon and other government agencies. There’s also the “bad optics,” as they say in political circles, of Feinstein — one of the wealthiest members of the exclusive Senate club — leading the charge against billionaire Trump on behalf of the downtrodden. Perched in a Pacific Heights mansion, surrounded by tech tycoons and old San Francisco Gold Rush families, Feinstein doesn’t seem to rub elbows much with Hillary Clinton’s “deplorables.”

http://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Dianne-Feinstein-not-the-best-fa...

Feinstein needs to be challenged in 2018 if she decides to run AGAIN for the Senate. She represents a lot of the reasons why Democrats currently have high Unfavorable ratings.

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ROFL

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Yes, it's a terrible, horrible joke to suggest that Feinstein made her career off murders.

Provided you assume that American Politicians are any different than politicians throughout history.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

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Can anyone tell me what the Democrats actually stand for?

The reason the Democratic party continues to lose ground is the very same reason Clinton lost. Neither stands for anything. "We're not as bad" was a losing campaign strategy in 2010 and the leadership of the Democratic party still does not get it. People got shit on and the Democrats did nothing. They are a useless do nothing party.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Affirmative Action, Gay Rights, Abortion Rights. Nothing but "me too" on economics.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

Bollox Ref's picture

are mealy mouthed (see Clinton's various takes on Gay Rights, Abortion Rights, etc.).

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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on these social issues. But, social issues don't cost their corporate handlers a cent, so officially sanctioned by the sanctimonious party. Get it? Standing for social issues: cheap. Standing for things that cost money, i.e. SS increases, infrastructure repairs, pollution abatement, consumer protections, single-payer health care, jobs programs, non-hackable voting machines, good public schools and colleges: expensive, so no can do.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

Obama did not support affirmative action based on race. He said it should be based on poverty or some such, but he never did a thing about that.

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situation for the majority of citizens. I would make the case that those in control used the program to build a black pro-capitalist, well paid, stratum while leaving behind the rest. I would also observe that an Appalachian white young person who grew up with "education is the tool of the devil" mindset, is at a big of a disadvantage as most African-Americans.

I agree with Obama that affirmative action should not be race or gender based but should be used in cases of need. Still, it will be seen as granting something special to a privileged few, whomever those might be. Better would entail free tuition at state colleges and aggressive stay-in-HS-til-graduation programs.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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They aren't going to change because they don't want to. That's been obvious to me since the 2006 election when we were told that if we put them in power they would roll back the Bush abuses. And we all know the first two things out of Pelosi's mouth about impeachment and dry powder.
I thought it was also obvious that they would rather lose with Hillary then win with Bernie.
He brought up the issues that the DP used to stand for before the Clintons created the DLC and even before that.
They were no longer the party that stood for the workers, unions said other issues. They joined the republicans and now the only difference between the two parties is on social issues.
After the disastrous midterm elections when DWS lost so many seats in congress and saw blue states turn red, why wasn't she fired?
Because having the republicans in power again gave them the excuse for not passing decent legislation. Obama got to hide behind the republicans obstructing him from passing the bills that he wanted.
The only two times I saw him lean on the democrats was during the health care debate and when he wanted the TPP fast tracked.
On his Saturday videos he never called out the republicans for not passing bills, he always said CONGRESS.
When the republicans wanted to cut $40 billion from the farm bill that would have affected the food stamps program, they comprised and only $8 billion was removed but the big subsidies for the big corporation's farms were still in place and Obama couldn't be bothered to issue a signing statement and cut those cuts out. How many signing statements did we see Bush use as opposed to Obama?
I keep reading that the democrats haven't learned the lesson yet. I think that they don't want to change and it sounds like Pelosi agrees with me
Smile

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It is not until the tide goes out that you discover who has been swimming naked.

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My question was a rhetorical snark! Wink

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

sojourns's picture

which means "people" as in the greater number of the population, of the people, for the people... Currently, no-one in the Democratic party seems to understand that simplest of etymologies.

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Lily O Lady's picture

a rat's ass.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

detroitmechworks's picture

Pretty much sums up what they're leading right now.

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Hetrose's picture

If groveling like Gollum begging to touch The Precious can be compared to Standing for Something, then yes, Precious, they stands, they standssss.

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for which her fellow neocons stand.

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does not interrupt the money flow into their campaign coffers or diminish their speaking fees.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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Definitely close, but I think they very close to losing even that little bit of moral high ground. Wink

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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Hmm. Never heard of them.

I'm guessing they're some ancient Athenian thing.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

Big Al's picture

and replaced by "working families". The working class, the lower class, the Serfs.
Also notice Pelosi and others talk about the "message". They have to communicate better, etc. They don't talk about actions, just what bullshit they need to spread.

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Bollox Ref's picture

that and Dead State across the Styx.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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Bollox Ref's picture

A bad combination of 10cc and Chicago?

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Gëzuar!!
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travelerxxx's picture

Oh, don't knock Styx until you've watched them with the Cleveland Contemporary Youth Orchestra! Great fun!

Wiki about it here.

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The two are not the same and never were. I think that blurring was deliberate to make workers think they had a stake in the system. A shop owner who clears $40K is considered by society to be of higher class than a plumber who clears $60K with overtime. I know a mechanic who volunteered for all overtime and has made $100K (gross, I'm sure) so far this year. No way would society consider him the equal of a manager wearing a suit and making $100K.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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The real SparkyGump has passed. It was an honor being your human.

ROI is poor, so I'll save up for a meeting with a T-rump family member coffee instead. Biggrin

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Fighting for democratic principles,... well, since forever

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Fighting for democratic principles,... well, since forever

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We rock but working class voters are too stupid to see it.

She really needs to go the fuck away. As do the 100 or so house members who voted to keep her as minority leader.

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really requires a message doesn't it?

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