No. She was much worse than that.

Turns out Hillary's Campaign was pushing the DNC (and it seems, in coordination with them, Media) to get the Republican Party to select the most extreme candidate possible.

Yes, they wished to see a right-wing extremist as the other choice for President of the United States. Presumably, because that would scare the electorate into running to Clinton. She called it the "Pied Piper Strategy."

Clinton called this her “pied piper” strategy, that intentionally cultivated extreme right-wing presidential candidates and that would turn the Republicans away from their more moderate candidates.

The zerohedge link has Wikileaks captures of emails: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-12/martin-armstrong-exposes-real-c...
(If someone knows how to post the leaked emails here, please do. And read the whole article. The Campaign's strategy (and the DNC's) is explicitly stated, and is undeniable. Whether they actually got media to go along .... I haven't seen the proof of that yet. But it is quite the coincidence that the Dems say they'll ask media to build up Trump (or Carson, Cruz) and they did.)

So dig it: Rather than offer the American people what they need, and know they need; rather than push, say, the Apollo Jobs Program, or criticizing globalization, or any positive thing at all...

She said: "Let us help make it possible for the closest thing to fascism as we can get as the people's choice, and then we're sure to win." Apparently without a moment's thought where we'd be left if she didn't win.

She calculated: Total panic, plus Identity, plus woo-woo-not-wee-wee means not only that I'll win; but I'll deserve to win. The people be damned, otherwise.

I'm not sure I've put the horror of this powerfully enough. To push our politics toward the worst end of the spectrum for her own advantage, even if it's a risk you judge miniscule.... that's just pure evil heart. It's sociopathy straight-up, at the least.
And really, a betrayal of America.

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of my last Diary at TOP. (also published here at c99)

Yes, Hillary gambled our future for her gain. And we lost.

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In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

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it went swimmingly well.
The story of wild willy cultivating Trump to run takes on more meaning now. What a hoot they must have had when he was nominated. Now they have to kiss his orange rump to keep her out of handcuffs.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

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but it's worth reposting just for your comment!!

Hillary Pardon_0.jpg

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“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush

all ready in case she does get sent to jail'''prison pajamas in hot pastels... The latest runway rage for short, frumpy Hillarites

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Funny, I never thought of that before.
But now I can't forget it.

(thx?!)

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AND if B. Clinton really did suggest to Trump that he run for president then i would venture to guess that it's a rocky time in Chappaqua.

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what's so heinous about it.

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Orwell: Where's the omelette?

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Ultimate Joke: They were the welfare family of Reagan's lies. But they never had to apply for benefits, because it was an inside job. Like the old joke, best way to rob a bank, is to own it or run it.

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Fighting for democratic principles,... well, since forever

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

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She calculated: Total panic, plus Identity, plus woo-woo-not-wee-wee means not only that I'll win; but I'll deserve to win. The people be damned, otherwise.

The people be damned, period.

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But AFAIC, this entire election should be declared null and void. You've now got proof of the collusion and illegalities of the Clinton campaign, and one of Russia's ministers admitted they'd had continuing contact with Trump all thru his campaign.

No way can -anyone- declare this was a fair and honest election by the people. This election rivals anything coming out of "Third World" countries. It's absolutely disgusting, and no way should we, the People, be saddled with either one of these dishonest, conniving, criminals.

Those people marching in the street against a Trump presidency need to take a step back and rethink their objective. No way should it be oust Trump and enthrone Hillary. Instead, they should be marching for and demanding new elections be held ASAP. Furthermore, until those new elections are held and validated as true, fair, and equal... there should be NO "peaceful transfer of power." I've had big problems with Obama being a Republican Lite, but I'd rather continue on with him in a lame duck holding pattern than rush to put just anybody in that office.

I am SO angry at the arrogance and sense of entitlement coming from both of these candidates. No way will either of them ever be "my president." Further, if they do install either one of them OR their "running mates" it will be the final nail in the prestige of and respect towards the office of the President - both to anyone outside of this country, as well as for we Americans.

I have been a government employee at my current position for over a decade, and a contractor for decades before that in different positions. I'm also a Vietnam Era veteran. I wish I could weep for my country; but right now I feel like the sacrifices so many of my brothers- and sisters-in-arms made for this country have been sullied, denigrated, and taken completely for granted. They've been moved like pawns on a chessboard with one side aiming for ill-gotten resources, and the other for nothing more than personal power and ego. There are no words for how angry I am right now.

Congress, the President, Vice President, SCOTUS, and everyone working in acronym-laden departments above the rank of GS-9 should be given remedial training on the meaning of "public service." Furthermore, all those who obstructed the workings of Government; who shut down the People's government; who, for ego or profit, worked against the people, should be thrown out of their jobs and replacements elected. Surely this is the straw that breaks the camel's back where our country and governance is concerned. What else are we expected to accept as the "way things are" today?

"Win at any cost," my butt! Cheater!!!

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Where you lose me, is in calling Obama "republican lite" and in thinking that a continuation of the Obama presidency is leaving us in a holding pattern. Under the Obama administration, under the cloak of a democratic regime, we have seen a further curtailment of our civil rights, the worst crackdown on whistleblowers, more pipelines, drilling and fracking, more extrajudicial killings, including by drones, more wars, regime change, and "trade" deals that destroy jobs, recourse, sovereignty and the last means to keep total power and profit extraction in check. That is not a holding pattern. I am amazed at how many good folks still consider him a good president. It is a brilliant strategy to have the democrats do the destruction that a republican couldn't get away with. A continuation of that plan was what was planned but Hillary had too much baggage. From what is now known and exposed in this essay and others, it is clear that she knew that, too. So she hatched an evil plan to manipulate the playing field so that she might smell less bad than her opponent. That is evil. And the MSM went along, only stopping to ask, "how high".

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worse he looks. Never wanted him. His 2008 campaign screamed scam.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

And I was just getting started. I hadn't even eaten breakfast yet. Add the militarization of the domestic police force. Please feel free to add your thoughts. This can be a tribute to Obama's legacy.

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He is worse - in many critical areas - that W Bush. He is as bad or worse on climate change with his encouragement of renewed drilling in the Gulf of Mexico; fracking; pipelines taking foreign crude across the USA for export and profit; the ignoring of the Magna Carta; the attacks on free speech; mass deportations; and a fanatical zeal to pass job-killing fake trade deals so the 1% can glom on to even more of the workers' rightful compensation. It's been an ugly presidency. The militarization of the cops is but one obvious symbol of his terms in office.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

for Obama in 2008 because he was campaigning on at least some progressive things--and the alternative was Hillary Clinton (who seemed to me to be much worse).

Well, he dropped all those progressive things once in office. So, I voted Stein in 2012. Fool me once . . .

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

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When Obama made Emanuel his CoS, it pretty much went downhill from there.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

the acceleration of income and wealth inequality. Now 51% of the workers in this country making under $30,000 per year (which is considered in poverty or poor).

It's a legacy. Obama was worried about his legacy, but I think it has come together in a pretty crystal clear fashion. So, he shouldn't worry about it!

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In 2008 it had not yet dawned on most people what the Democratic Party had become. After eight years of Bush/Cheney, Obama appeared to be a life-sustaining breath of fresh air. He sold himself well, as a cultured man of peace, and he was running against a flat-out warmonger. There was no reasonable alternative to Obama in 2008, other than Hillary. In hindsight, we should have smelled a rat even then, but understandably, very few of us did.

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in a very long time.

2016 Clinton/Trump
2012 Obama/Romney
2008 Obama/McCain
2004 Kerry/Bush
2000 Gore/Bush
1996 Clinton/Dole
1992 Clinton/Bush...

There is no choice on that board that isn't in bed with the banks, the MIC, and American Exceptionalism (tm).
Mondale or Dukakis might have been OK, and I still have faith in Carter. The DLC is what brought us to this point. This is what happens when Dem candidates take phone calls from billionaires, and ask them about policy.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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No way can -anyone- declare this was a fair and honest election by the people.

Our Constitution does not give us a right to a fair election, unfortunately. And the political parties are private entities, in now way bound to be responsive to the people they claim to represent. We've seen writ large this year how anti-democratic they can be.

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we must have political parties. Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em right in the ear. All we need is to free our minds and have a communications network not run by the 1%.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-contacts-donald-trump-campaign-election/

Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told The Associated Press in an interview in New York that Russian experts had contacts with people in both the Trump and Clinton campaigns. He said such contacts are “quite natural, quite normal.”

“And our experts, our specialists on the U.S., on international affairs ... Of course they are constantly speaking to their counterparts here, including those from Mr. Trump’s group,” Peskov said.

“Of course, it’s quite natural that Russian experts are trying to maintain the dialogue with people from different camps. It’s very important to understand the main streams, and understand the main tendencies, nuances in the positions of different parties, different camps here in the United States,” he said.

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Any different than Reagan having contact with Iran?

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Do we know what Trump's contact with the Russian government was about? In the case of Reagan, he was alleged to have interfered with (and delayed for political reasons) the release of the American hostages being held in Iran.

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"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone

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A lot of good decent Americans are depressed, very scared and distraught. We/they don't deserve any of this misfortune and criminal conduct. Rec'd!

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

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I have never given Reagan any credit for being a decent person.

That action rivals anything the Clintons and Bushes did later in terms of moral turpitude. If you're a leader, or aiming to become one, you don't negotiate with your enemies to hurt your citizens for your own private gain.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

I would imagine that many nations would want to have a pipeline to a major US Presidential candidate's thoughts, especially one with no political track record.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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They certainly seem to have done it with Hillary, via the Clinton Foundation and the Clintons' speech-making operation. Not just nations, but any interested party who had the money to pay for that access. They assumed they were paying for access to a future POTUS.

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"If you want revolution, be it."
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As reported by Salon back in April, before they went all Her on us...

A key gear in the Clinton machine that has sucked in hundreds of thousands of dollars lobbying on behalf of the Saudi absolute monarchy has also worked for Russia’s biggest bank.

[paragraph deleted for space]

Sberbank, the largest financial institution in Eastern Europe, hired the Podesta Group to help powder up its public image, The Observer reports.

[paragraph deleted for space]

In March, the Podesta Group registered with the U.S. government as a lobbyist for Sberbank.

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warrants for 75,000 shares of Joule stock. Joule is an energy company funded partially by funds from a venture capital fund connected to Putin. Russians sit on the board. There are lots of reasons for receiving warrants, but policy-paving may have been one of them. Podesta is the biggest lobbyist around.

It's all documented in the e-mails.

It's funny, knowing all of this, and knowing that the Podesta e-mails were now public, they still went ahead and criticized Trump for having a connection to a Russian bank, never having heard of glass houses, apparently. Were they counting on the fact that nobody would read the e-mails? Did they think we would believe them when they said they were forgeries?

Didn't they see that the blatant hypocrisy would destroy them?

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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George W. Bush

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Was a Delegate for Bernie. Latest Wikileaks drop includes documentation on all Bernie delegates, and the DNC ratings of them as to how hard they would be to turn toward supporting Hillary. My friend wasn't rated (he would have been impossible!) because it was still a work in Progress, and they hadn't gotten to Arizona yet.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

Precinct Committee Officers & last Jan. or so I said I would consider taking an orphan precinct. (out of 200+/-, there are always 50 or 100 with no PCO)

The chair? / some Hillary stooges ask me - 'What if Bernie doesn't win? What if Hillary is the nominee?"

I said - "IF her Wall Street theiving scum buddies give me $100,000 in CASH, I'll knock on doors for her & them."

Given how the WA Dem Coordinated Campaign was all gang busters for that f'king dunce TPP Patty Murray & that putz Boeing Jay Inslee & ... Wall Street Hill ... thank gawd they shunned me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rmm.

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But then I sigh; and, with a piece of scripture,
Tell them that God bids us do good for evil:
And thus I clothe my naked villany
With old odd ends stolen out of holy writ;

...so I didn't. I just became a PCO in LD46 this August. Yes, LD46 endorsed Clinton for the general. But that's the extent of it. We were only asking people to vote, not telling them who to vote for. I didn't ask people who they were voting for, though sometimes they shared feelings about some particular initiative or race. Only once did I get into a discussion about an issue where we were on opposite sides, and that was because we were both transit fans, and got into the weeds of commuter heavy rail vs. light rail. I added an information sheet to our endorsement handout that had links to Fuse Washington and The Stranger recommendations, which differed from LD46 endorsements on some issues.

See, here's the thing: PCOs get to vote on county and LD leadership, including representatives to the state central committee. So we're going to have a progressives to run for each position, and a bunch of new Sanderista PCOs to vote for them. If we've got enough PCOs this year, we can shift the balance at the state level, so the state leadership is replaced, and with it, the state reps to the DNC.

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rmseamurphy and I'm using the gmail thing.

While I agree with much of what you say, I remember going the same route in 2004 with howard dean in the 36th l.d.

you know that President's Day Democratic shindig down in Oly?? well, all the brand spanking new Deaniacs came back from their talking to & told everyone how we gotta ... look forward ... oh, wait, that was the f'king bullshit I got in 2009 from the Obama lovers.

I'm willing to help people in MY precinct & surrounding precincts ... and ... the further it gets from MY house, the faster I'm feeling 'to hell with it'. Anyhoo - HOPE we can connect & find a way to help each other out ...

b. murphy

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But then I sigh; and, with a piece of scripture,
Tell them that God bids us do good for evil:
And thus I clothe my naked villany
With old odd ends stolen out of holy writ;

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You got a link to where you read this? Searching the trove isn't always straightforward. I'd really like to see the ratings.

I presume you're talking about nat'l delegates (they couldn't have possibly kept track of all those who went to the State conventions). There are some people who turned smug when they jumped ship. If they accepted it, they got wined and dined in Philly. It was chilling to watch how the Bernie people in general were treated, and that some bought the garbage being shoveled at them and went along with it. It was a lot more of them than I would have expected. Not all of them, of course, but people I thought would have more self-respect than it seemed to me.

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Internet for a few minutes each hour or so.

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http://dcleaks.com/emails/mail/html/huma-abedin/00000234.html If you scroll down to attachments it gives you this link to the table which autoloads, still working:

This is the table, still working:

http://dcleaks.com/emails/mail/html/huma-abedin/00000234_files/Bernie.De...

The original index entry was (the one I followed), but it has since been taken down from the dcleaks site:

http://dcleaks.com/index.php/huma-abidin2/

As far back as I can go the link was posted by Carolynn Fry an Oregon delegate for Bernie:

https://www.facebook.com/carolannefry?fref=nf

Scroll down... I do remember seeing her on TV during the convention and she is a friend of another delegate I continue to communicate with...

This I think is the first origin:

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/97982589

I am thinking that someone hacked into DCleaks before these documents were released... or someone hacked into DCleaks and placed them there... the only thing is that they are, as of an hour ago, still there but no longer indexed.

If you change the number to the first link say cahnge 00000234 to 00000236 you find more Abedin emails (in this case a specially designed podium).

http://dcleaks.com/emails/mail/html/huma-abedin/00000236.html

"Here's a pic of the custom podium --- I am looking for the original emails and some pics without she and a podium sign in front of it but gives you a sense of what Huma is talking about. ( also shows what she doesn't want on mics ( which you would never do anyway).

Would love to huddle in person next week inside the hall with appropriate members of this chain to talk through entrance."

And so on.

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From the Light House.

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Here is the whole design for the DNC convention including Clinton's victory podium, and the entire design put up on drop box May 17, 2016.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cyrkps6vvyycg0l/5.17.16.RK_JM.TribeDocs.pdf?dl=0

And here is the original link including plans for her grand entrance and so on.:

http://dcleaks.com/emails/mail/html/huma-abedin/00000238.html

And an article about the secret funding of the DNCC

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-saval-democratic-convention-f...

And finally an itemized list of who funded the convention from the FEC:

http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00572958/1101373/sa/ALL

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Oh, a lot to poke around in...

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To communicate with each other. There was so much personal information exposed in the document, that many people asked for it to be taken down, and so it was.

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is the casualness with which Clinton HQ and the New York Times (among others) were sharing info and strategy throughout the campaign. (Interesting in a "Wait, when did we become the GDR?" kind of way.)

Here is a WikiLeaks release showing a NYT writer checking with the Clinton team to make sure he is hitting the right notes about Donald Trump:

We're told that President Clinton (like Mrs. Clinton and some other Dems)
thinks that Trump would be a formidable opponent in the general election,
and that Dems are in a form of denial if they dismiss Trump as a joke who
would be easily defeated in November. President Clinton, like others,
thinks that Trump has his finger on the pulse of the electorate's mood and
that only a well-financed, concerted campaign portrayed him as dangerous
and bigoted will win what both Clintons believe will be a close November
election.

The bubble they were in is just amazing. Everything they said is true, but they thought it was false, and they thought it would be a good strategy to feed true stories they thought were false to the press so the press, who also thought they were false, could act like they were true. They fancied they were playing eleven-dimensional chess, only to have Donald Trump beat them at Tic Tac Toe.

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"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum." --Noam Chomsky

"Everything they said was true, but they thought it was false."

Don't f**k with the Holy Ghost. A 'teachable moment' for sure.

Thanks for the laugh.

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To push our politics toward the worst end of the spectrum for her own advantage, even if it's a risk you judge minuscule.... that's just pure evil heart.

The protests are pointed at the wrong target. The DNC/DLC/Third Way Clinton Crime Family are to blame for the horror that has been foisted upon us. The idiots at Orange State have gotten what they deserve in the Bloviating Orange Billionaire (BOB) as president.

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I'm not surprised though that this was a part of her strategy. Seems to me that it may have been tried before more than once.

Best part-- it further weakens the 'blame the Russians' strategy.

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...but the media are still repeating it as if it's fact. We desperately need the Fairness Doctrine reinstated (or need a new one) because it requires that the media believe what they are foisting on the people and to give evidence against it.

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and that is what the DNC people refused to recognize. They are happier continuing to insult the intelligence of the potential voter. What better scapegoat than a foreign power? That way they don't have to fire any more of their cronies.

What did happen to the equal time doctrine or fairness act? That was the end of NPR's "All Things Considered" for me.

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until we force the issue. It'll happen in due time. All of their stupid talking points will evaporate, and we might have a shot at a party of the people.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

The Dems threw the election: that was the payout from Wall St. et al: throw the election: if you read Wikileaks, even her highest campaign officials and her donors were at a loss in understanding her decisions. She threw this: the most tepid, meaningless, vacuous, arrogant-on-purpose election in U.S. history: and intended to be so.

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to never vote for anyone running under the Democratic ticket unless there is a complete top down purge of EVERYONE in party leadership positions.

Since we all know that won't happen (they already expressed a willingness to let the party crash than go with a winning candidate to preserve their prestige) I think it is imperative that we make sure all actual progressive candidates know that they will receive less support from the progressive community if they don't run as either independent or third party.

I will NEVER support an organization that engages in corruption to the levels they have displayed.

Purge it or bury it and build a new party.

Anything less is equivalent to treating a cancer patient with a band-aid and a kiss on the boo-boo...

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but we had a houseguest who wanted to watch it this morning. Todd had Keith Ellison on and asked him about what the Dems are going to do now. Congressman Ellison chose to reiterate that Donald Trump is a very, very bad man. Nothing about the Rust Belt, a rebuild, listening to what used to be the middle class. It was disheartening. I said it in another thread, if the DNC and the Dems are to survive, they must somehow convince Thomas Frank or some other person who didn't support Her Heinous to fly this plane.

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"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey

Maybe get more information before writing off Ellison. I've been paying attention to him for about as long as I've been following Sanders. Remember, anything on a talking head TV program is generally a sound-bite, not a formal plan. But if you want to hear Ellison talking about the things you wanted him to talk about (within the limits of having to give answers of a sentence or two), here ya go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixoJbKSwd-0

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Correct me if I'm wrong, please. I like(d) Keith too, but I remember hearing he endorsed HRC. It's sorta like Elizabeth Warren endorsing HRC. Everyone who ended up endorsing HER lost my respect for them.

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...to what Hillbilly Dem is looking for, namely, policy statements. It sounds like Hillbilly Dem has a different criterion and so is looking for different information.

Yes, Ellison endorsed Clinton, somewhat later than other prominent Sanders supporters. Many people backed Clinton *after* she got the nomination, including Sanders. Their reasons, and many people's reasons for voting for Clinton, were based on their own beliefs about what would be best (or least bad) for the country, and how to get there. Personally, I won't chastize anyone for making a decision based on a desire to do what's best. I might argue with their data or reasoning; I might try to talk them around to my point of view. But I won't write them off. Now, at some point, if a rabid Clintonian persists in blaming others for their own campaign's failure, I might have to give up on convincing them. But that's not the situation here. The prominent progressives who backed Clinton didn't change their views, and they intended to "hold Clinton's feet to the fire" were she elected.

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Harry Reid and Chuck Schummer have endorsed Ellison. That's enough for me to be very suspicious and write him off as more of the same.

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Before you write him off on such thin evidence please learn more. He has been doing & saying the right things for a very long time. A very long time.

Of course those jackals endorsed him, there was no chance of any of their toadies having a shot against him in his constituency. And of course they endorsed him for DNC, they are not that politically stupid. They will sabotage him with leave behinds in the DNC, so they are not worried.

But Ellison is one of the very few allies we have at the moment.

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Ellison, Pelosi and others have realized that they've been blind-sided by Trump, and they want to discuss what went wrong, and how to fix it. Great news, so far, but who do they consult? Us? The American people, the voters and activists? No, they are meeting with George Soros as we speak, because his voice and input is apparently a lot more important than ours.

The Democratic team of Billionaires couldn't buy this election, so they are discussing strategy to ensure that next time, the Billionaire "D" team wins.

The thought of asking you and I what went wrong never crossed their little minds.

Anyhow, here's the link.

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Gore-Kerry-Clinton

I had the same conversations before and after each time now. It is looking likely that the Dem party will repeat the post-Gore and post-Kerry behaviours. Perfectly consistent with their faux-contain-the-left-and-dissipate-their-energies-harmlessly strategy of the last 35 years. Nothing new to see here.

2018 starts today - either a real political alternative at the polls or revolution. I'd prefer the former but I'm fine with the latter.

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Doesn't bother me what *other* people do -- would only bother me what Ellison does or doesn't do. Ellison has a long track record of doing the right thing. Also, he's a genuinely nice person, and gets along with people, including people who disagree with him. I'd expect no taking of sides, no secret dealings, under Ellison.

I don't have as negative opinion of Reid, perhaps. He's no wuss -- he just doesn't speak loudly when he's giving 'em hell. I don't mind people who try to get stuff done by working across the aisle. I might not agree with the specific things they decide on, but the mere fact of talking to Republicans doesn't bother me. I don't agree with specific decisions he made, e.g. re. the filibuster.

It may be that Reid and Schumer were frustrated during the campaign but didn't feel they could say anything. I'd be more inclined to believe that's the case for Reid. For Schumer, it might be more seeing which way the wind is blowing.

Ellison has been around long enough as a "nice guy" while still advocating for progressive principles that there's plenty of evidence that he won't be shifted off of those principles just by people sucking up to him.

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We'll take it back, or build our own, either way, DWS's DNC has no future.

I don't think they've even realized yet that they are now a case-study in corruption, for the ages, complete with documentation. They'll be studied for a generation.

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We have to now look at all the media who endorsed Hillary as simply corrupt. Simultaneously, Hillary said that Bernie had to be ground down to the pulp. Further leaked emails showed how the Democratic National Committee sabotaged Sanders’ presidential campaign. It was Hillary manipulating the entire media for her personal gain. She obviously did not want a fair election because she was too corrupt.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

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for the disaster that this election became.

She manipulated the media against Bernie, then for Trump until his challengers melted away, and then against him, until she self-destructed through her own manipulations. This election should destroy whatever shreds of credibility the MSM still had.

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the country our kids will have to inherit and it's a worthless legacy thanks to the Clinton trash.

Since misery loves company I went and posted this info at Crooks and Liars. I love to poke that hive. They need a dose of reality this Sunday morning.

*sigh*

EDIT: changed 'go' to 'to'.

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But never try to play a player. He probably knew what they were trying to do. Trump is experienced in the business equivalent of a street fighter. He knows how to fight dirty and he knows a dirty blow when he sees one. I think he figured it out when he started talking about how easy it all was. That's a sure sign that something is askew.

The whole thing is funny. Human beings are such strange creatures, aren't we?

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Despite knowing better, I started digging around in wikileaks. Found this gem. Back in March it was mentioned that the Super Delegates system could be tweaked in order to "throw [us] a bone."

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Re: Sanders-related advice from Mark Siegel

From:re47@hillaryclinton.com
To: luzzatto@aol.com
CC: john.podesta@gmail.com, mmarshall@hillaryclinton.com, dhuynh@hillaryclinton.com
Date: 2016-03-20 12:11
Subject: Re: Sanders-related advice from Mark Siegel

Thank you, Tamera!
David can you follow up with mark on this and then we can discuss?

On Mar 20, 2016, at 10:00 AM, Tamera Luzzatto wrote:

Sharing as a favor and cause of his role in the Dems' delegate system.

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

*From:* Mark Siegel
*Date:* March 20, 2016 at 9:18:34 AM EDT
*To:* Tamera Luzzatto

Tamera, I've tried to get this
( below) to Robbie but I'm not sure he's seen it. Is it possible for you
to get this to him or someone else in Brooklyn dealing with the convention?
It might be useful.

Thanks/love.
Mark

I've lived through many national conventions and have found that it's
critical that all delegates, especially those representing losing
candidates, emerge from the convention feeling that they have won
something, achieved something tangible. I think this is terribly
important especially with people like Bernie's sometimes self-righteous
ideologues
. We want them to go home happy and enthusiastic in working their
asses off for Hillary.

Hillary has already smoothly pivoted to incorporate some important elements
of Bernie's ideas and rhetoric into her own message. Thus I don't think the
2016 Platform is a sufficiently tangible prize for the Bernie wing of the
convention. I think they have to be given something that they can claim as
a singular success. I think I know something that would painlessly work.

As you probably know I was the guy who drafted the "super delegate"
provisions of the party's delegate selection rules.
It was an outgrowth of
the McGovern 1972 convention where very few of our elected officials were
delegates. After the debacle, the "regulars," the Party establishment,
wanted a big chunk of guaranteed representation at future conventions
( as
much as 25%) The liberal wing was firmly opposed to this, saying it was
undemocratic.
Through the Mikulski, Winograd and Hunt Commissions I worked
out a compromise giving ex- officio delegate status to Democratic members
of the House and Senate, Democratic Governors and big- city Mayors. That
would have totaled about 10% of the convention, what I thought was a
reasonable compromise.

The liberals were ok with it but the Democratic State Chairmen's
Association wanted to add party officials to this new class of ex-officio
delegates.

When the new delegate selection rules were voted on by the DNC, it is not
shocking that the DNC ADDED THEMSELVES as automatic delegates. That drove
the percentage up to over 15%. It has crept up even a bit higher now.

( wouldn't the republicans like to have that now!)

So here's my idea. Bernie and his people have been bitching about super
delegates and the huge percentage that have come out for Hillary. Since
the original idea was to bring our elected officials to the convention
ex-officio

( because of the offices and the constituencies they represent), why not
throw Bernie a bone
and reduce the super delegates in the future to the
original draft of members of the House and Senate, governors and big city
mayors, eliminating the DNC members who are not State chairs or
vice-Chairs. (Frankly, DNC members don't really represent constituencies
anyway. I should know. I served on the DNC first as Executive Director and
then as an elected member for 10 years
.)

So if we "give" Bernie this in the Convention's rules committee, his people
will think they've "won" something from the Party Establishment. And it
functionally doesn't make any difference anyway
. They win. We don't lose.
Everyone is happy.

Anyway, I don't know if Robbie is focusing on the convention at this point
but the Bernie people have a lot of passion and we should try to keep them
marginally on board
. Just saying...

Thanks.
Mark

Sent from my iPhone

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/52975

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50 years from now, assuming that we don't kill ourselves off first.
What a classic example of political corruption, preserved for the ages.

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Sanders' supporters is pretty breathtaking.

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AGCC is happening.
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They'll all get cushy gigs at some liberal rag, law school, lobby, or think tank — it's called "wingnut welfare" when the RW does it, but it works the exact same way for liberal insiders.

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I only hope that if they do, they'll have all the credibility of Nero, ...or Bob Shrum.

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