Open Thread - Wednesday November 25, 2015

Good Morning 99 percenters!

It is hard to believe that November is almost over. It seems like yesterday that I was getting ready to attend my high school reunion during the first weekend of November and now Thanksgiving is upon as.

When I was growing up, we usually spent Thanksgiving with my aunt and uncle and three cousins who also lived in St. Petersburg (St. Pete). My aunt's parents and her older sister often came so that was why we would do Thanksgiving at their house. I was the oldest of the five cousins, but even when I was in high school, I was still relegated to the children's table. At that time, I did not like it, but I realized much later that the children's table was a lot more fun than the adult table. Otherwise, I really do not remember anything particularly unique about our family Thanksgivings back in those days.

After my husband and I first got married, we would alternate holidays with his family and my family. It was much of a chore trying to balance things out between the two families living nearly 300 miles apart. My mother in law always wanted everyone to be there for Thanksgiving dinner, so it often in resulted in us having two Thanksgivings every other year. In recent years, we have chosen to spend both Thanksgiving and Christmas here in NC, away from family. Sometimes we share Thanksgiving with friends, but this year it is a quiet one with just the two of us. My husband is a real traditionalist, so it will still be the full big Thanksgiving dinner.

Which brings me to turkey.

Let's talk turkey. I am going to be brutally honest here. I really could care less about turkey and even less about leftover turkey. It is one of those things that just does not get me excited. If fact, if turkey was not served, I would be perfectly fine. But my other half loves turkey and especially leftover turkey in every form imaginable. So I will gut it out.

Over the years, we have served our turkey three different ways: oven roasted, fried, and smoked. My least favorite is oven roasted which often seems greasy to me. If you have never had fried turkey, you might be surprised that it is not at all greasy and is very moist. The problem with fried is that it is messy to cook and requires a lot of oil. For the last several years, we have smoked our turkey and this is by far my favorite way to eat turkey. It is the only way i will eat leftover turkey too. So this year, on Thanksgiving morning, my husband will fire up the Big Green Egg smoker and we will smoke our turkey.

So like previous years and despite my dread, I will survive the turkey and all the rest of the gluttony. Heck, just give me my roasted vegetables, dressing with lots of celery in it, and whole berry cranberry sauce. And I will be happy.

Here are just a few news items to start your day and perhaps start a conversation on this Open Thread. Our suicidal rush headlong into World War III is what is on my mind today. What is on your mind this morning?

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it and the United States has been repeating its sordid history in the Middle East for far too many decades.

The Land of the Free and Home of the Brave has a long and iniquitous history of overthrowing democratically elected leftist governments and propping up right-wing dictators in their place. U.S. politicians rarely acknowledge this odious past, let alone acknowledge that such policies continue well into the present day.

As per usual, Chris Hedges says what we all instinctively know and our leaders and the media refuse to acknowledge. This article is worthy of a diary of its own.

Violence generates counterviolence. The cycle does not stop until the killing stops. All that makes us human—love, empathy, tenderness and kindness—is dismissed in wartime as useless and weak. We revel in a demented hypermasculinity. We lose the capacity to feel and understand. We pity only our own. We too celebrate our glorified martyrs. We endow our sanctified dead with the lofty virtues and goodness that define our national myth, ignoring our complicity in perpetuating the ceaseless cycle of death. Our drones and airstrikes, after all, have decapitated far more people, including children, than Islamic State.

In much that same vein, this article from Common Dreams examines the seeds of massive discontent that our failed Middle East policies have sowed.

Interventions multiply our enemies. Every village raid, every drone strike, and every shot fired in anger on foreign soil produces anti-Western passion. Some are shocked when that passion leads to violent reaction. They should not be. The instinct to protect one’s own, and to strike back against attackers, is older than humanity itself.

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Thanks for the OT, gulfgal.

It becomes an ever harder slog for me to keep trying to follow developments on the war fronts. Quite simply, it's depressing, even more so as ever more stuff happens on ever more fronts.

This morning's Syrian Front news is that the US now says that Turkey shot down the Russian fighter while the Russian plane was in Syrian - not Turkish - airspace.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States believes that the Russian jet shot down by Turkey on Tuesday was hit inside Syrian airspace after a brief incursion into Turkish airspace, a U.S. official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The official said that assessment was based on detection of the heat signature of the jet.

http://reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0TE04M20151125#fI1khzW0g003Zfgs.97

All I can think of this revelation is that there are far too many nations with far too many weapons and far too many conflicting agendas dealing death and destruction throughout the world. Must these nations really go through all this wasting and ruining of lives to reach a diplomatic solution, which, if seriously engaged in today, would save so very much blood, broken lives and hearts, and, of course, "treasure" that could be spent instead on improving lives? Pretty much the $64-million question we've been trying to answer . . . likely since the invention of war.

Oh, well, thanks for reading.of my despondency. Hope I haven't added to anyone else's.

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When we first started this site, I wrote several diaries on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. And then life intervened and I did not have enough time to adequately research and source my diaries so I started writing lighter weight Open Threads.

I hope to be writing more substantive diaries after the first of the year.

Thank you for your great comment. It is not depressing in itself. Sadly, it simply reflects reality.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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acute in that region. It's a perfect zugzwang situation; any move you make only puts you in a worse position than where you began.

And that's because none of what the various powers in the conflict understand that what underlies the whole conflict is the unresolved struggle against colonialism, neo-colonialism, and neoliberalism that the peoples of that region are revolting against. It's the legacy embodied in Sykes-Picot, the Treaty of Sevres, and the Balfour Declaration; a legacy of imperialist powers acting, well, imperiously. It's the quaint notion that the people of a region are the best situated to determine the destiny of that region, distorted and disfigured (ISIS, Al-Quaeda, wahabism, salafism) by the more than a century of oppression by, and gamesmanship among the "great powers." It's a mess, and there's no need to add more bodies and more cannon fodder to the ugly violence already inherent in such situations. Pouring propane on a fire would be the analogy I would pick.

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"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon

just a reminder that we are taking suggestions for a new site name. There was an essay on this subject yesterday, HERE, if you haven't already pay it a visit and drop a few name suggestions, or add more if you've already done so. We have until December 5 to come up with a new name. Thanks for participating.

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But again, while it's fun to generate names, I'm trying to think why there's a pressing need to change the site name at all. I'm perfectly fine with it and think it conveys who and what we are quite precisely and succinctly.

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"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon

I left a reply to your comment in the Name Change essay, but I'll repeat it here.

I too could live with our current name...

and if anyone cares to know caucus99percent was not my creation. I see pros and cons in keeping the current name, and in the end there may be more cons than pros.

Pros:
The name caucus99percent goes right to the heart of the dilemma that we face, the massive wealth inequality that is crushing the middle class and destroying the poor. Almost everyone can identify with the 99percent.

Cons:
Are we really a caucus? A caucus for the 99percent? What is a caucus for the 99percent and are we it?

The term 99percent was popularized by the Occupy movement, and using 99percent could be seen as affiliating us with Occupy, which we are not, even though several of our members participated in it. I think it wise to decouple ourselves from that impression.

Having 99percent as a part of our site name is a huge red flag for the alphabet agencies filters that use key words to search the internet for surveillance purposes.

I could probably think of some more cons but that should be enough to make the case. I think a more innocuous name would be better.

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the name caucus99percent focuses the sites direction to the realm of economics and we are a much more issues oriented site that just economic, IMHO.

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99% as opposed to those of the 1% in all aspects of politics -- economics, governance, war, the environment, etc. Prioritizing, educating, and honing the arguments of the 99% is what I see this site as for. Economics are certainly a part of it, and as a Marxist I happen to begin with economics (i.e. how we as human beings organize producing and reproducing, providing, and caring for the needs of each other and ourselves) and see it's influence over all the above aspects of our lives, but it doesn't end there.

And that's IMHO Wink

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"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon

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a huge red flag for the alphabet agencies filters that use key words to search the internet for surveillance purposes

A name that is totally unrelated to the actual subject matter, as some web comic strip artists do with their websites.
For example:
The Perry Bible Fellowship
Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal

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Although income inequality has been a long term topic of mine, from long before the economic crisis. I just feel the issue of the "99 percent" is too narrow. It's only one symptom of a sham democracy, where people disgrace themselves by voting for candidates that are preselected by the ruling junta. (Egypt is having an election right now in their fake democracy. There, people are refusing to vote. It's a protest that the world can see.) Income inequality is an important symptom, as are racism, militarized police, a war-based economy, and the stripping of such civil rights as personal privacy and freedom from hunger or government-based murder.

I'm just saying "99 percent" may become irrelevant or poisoned, in the future. Just as "liberal" and "progressive" are.

Also, "caucus." I never liked that word. It's political and weird and pretentious.

And probably brown.

But that's just me. And, I don't have another name in mind. But, a little later I'm going to add a visual helper to the renaming project, with sample iconic images that may help narrow down the site concept.

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triv33's picture

I see the jolly caucus race from Alice in Wonderland.

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I shave my legs with Occam's Razor~

joe shikspack's picture

it's got a certain ring to it.

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enhydra lutris's picture

and heat a place to think and be thoughtful and, of course, the tunes.

APlaceToThink
APlacetoTalk
TunesAndTalk
ThinkingFreely
APeacefulPlace

etc.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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Into Night" - Title of a play by Eugene ONeil.

It touches on the daily-ness of Joe's Blues, it also could refer daily newspaper that we read at the beginning or end of the day and yet it is cryptic.
It also sounds good from ONeil, the great wordsmith.

"Long Day's Journey into Night is often regarded to be one of the finest American plays of the 20th century." Wiki

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To thine own self be true.

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Hey! There's a site name for ya!
"99Percenters" or "99PercentersUnite" or "99PercentersArise" or "__WakeUp" or"__TakeControl"!

Those last few may be a bit too stridently agitprop, but whatever. I'm easy Wink

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-- John Lennon

triv33's picture

Gee whiz, miss a few days and I could have missed the blog's name changing. A lot of good suggestions, I like a lot of them. Pulp politics is good. Pulp politics blues, yeah, I got those. Ha. I don't care if the name changes, as long as the atmosphere stays, that's what matters.

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I first saw the name change late yesterday. If it was discussed in any detail before that, I was not aware of it. JtC had hinted in the past about changing the name, but this is the first real discussion I know of as to what it should be. So you are not late to the party. Feel free to add your own suggestions. FWIW, mine have all been duds. LOL Lol

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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Simple addition:

The Land of the Free and Home of the Brave has a long and iniquitous history of overthrowing democratically elected leftist governments and propping up right-wing dictators in their place. U.S. politicians rarely acknowledge this odious past, let alone acknowledge that such policies continue well into the present day. - See more at: http://www.caucus99percent.com/comment/reply/1471#comment-form

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Violence generates counterviolence. The cycle does not stop until the killing stops. All that makes us human—love, empathy, tenderness and kindness—is dismissed in wartime as useless and weak. We revel in a demented hypermasculinity. We lose the capacity to feel and understand. We pity only our own. We too celebrate our glorified martyrs. We endow our sanctified dead with the lofty virtues and goodness that define our national myth, ignoring our complicity in perpetuating the ceaseless cycle of death. Our drones and airstrikes, after all, have decapitated far more people, including children, than Islamic State. - See more at: http://www.caucus99percent.com/comment/reply/1471#comment-form

gives us the unsustainable never ending cycle of war and hatred, poverty and starvation, want and misery that has settled across the globe like some malign miasma out of Poe. We cannot stop or slow it until we admit it, and not merely the powers that be, but also the bourgeiose have a vested interest in denying and in selling that denial.

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You hit the nail squarely on the head with this.

We cannot stop or slow it until we admit it, and not merely the powers that be, but also the bourgeiose have a vested interest in denying and in selling that denial.

My own purpose doing our little Peace vigil is to try to educate people about why our current warring policies are so wasteful and self defeating. The American public lives in a fantasy world of American exceptionalism.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Chris Floyd, the author of Empire Burlesque - High Crimes and Low Comedy in the Bush Imperium (2006), posted an essay about terrorism in the immediate aftermath of the Friday 13th attacks in Paris.

A Game Worth the Candle: Terror and the Agenda of our Elites

People see the carnage in Paris, and cry, “When will this end?” The hard answer is that it is not going to end, not any time soon. We are living through the horrific consequences of decisions and actions taken long ago, as well as those of being taken right now. The currents and movements set in motion by these actions cannot be quelled in an instant — not by wishing, not by hashtags of solidarity or light shows on iconic buildings … and certainly not by more bombing, destruction, repression and lies, which are the main drivers of our present-day hell.

There will be no end to rampant terrorism soon because our leaders are not really interested in quelling terrorism. This is simply not a priority for them. For example, in the past 12 years they have utterly destroyed three largely secular governments (Iraq, Libya and Syria) and turned them into vast spawning grounds for violent sectarianism. They did this despite reports from their own intelligence services and military analysts telling them that the spread of violent extremism would almost certainly be the outcome of their interventions. But for our leaders —both the elected ones and the elites they serve — their geopolitical and macroeconomic agendas outweighed any concerns over these consequences. Put simply, to them, the game was worth the candle. They would press ahead with their agenda, knowing that it would exacerbate extremism and terrorism, but doubtless hoping that these consequences could be contained — or better yet, confined to nations seen as rivals to that agenda, or to remote places and peoples of no worth to our great and good.

http://www.chris-floyd.com/Articles/2532-a-game-worth-the-candle-terror-...

Floyd's sober analysis of the world we're living in is not likely to make you feel better, but it does explain much, in particular the almost unfathomable magnitude of what those who seek peace are up against.

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Forget Daesh: Humanity is at Stake

… When the militants, spawned by the US and their allies, felt cornered, they fanned out to every corner of the globe, killing innocent people and shouting the name of God in their final moment. Recently, they came for the French, a day after they blew up the Lebanese, and few days after the Russians; and, before that, the Turks and the Kurds, and, simultaneously, the Syrians and the Iraqis.

Who is next? No one really knows. We keep telling ourselves that "it's just a transition" and "all will be well once the dust has settled." But the Russians, the Americans and everyone else continue bombing, each insisting that they are bombing the right people for the right reason while, on the ground, everyone is shooting at whoever they deem the enemy, the terrorist, a designation that is often redefined. Yet, few speak out to recognize our shared humanity and victimhood.

No — do not always expect the initials ISIS to offer an explanation for all that goes wrong. Those who orchestrated the war on Iraq and those feeding the war in Syria and arming Israel cannot be vindicated.

The crux of the matter: we either live in dignity together or continue to perish alone, warring tribes and grief-stricken nations. This is not just about indiscriminate bombing — our humanity, in fact, the future of the human race is at stake.

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but she's up shit's crick, and needs help. Even if it's just a rec....
Lost Job Now Losing Home and Cats

I don't normally do things like this, but she's one of the best people I know...this just really sucks.

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/25/1454344/-More-Women-Have-Donate...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/25/1454344/-More-Women-Have-Donate...

As the Romans said, “pecunia non olet” — or as the Germans say, “Geld stinkt nicht.”

The phrase Pecunia non olet is still used today to say that the value of money is not tainted by its origins.

Of course, Saudis dispense huge sums out of the sheer goodness of their hearts and never expect any sort of influence or goodwill in return.

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i think that's what they are claiming.

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Truthdig and Huffington Post: Saudi Arabia Plans to Behead More Than 50 People in a Single Day

And this is the regime which we are allowing, nay, encouraging to set up shop and buy influence within our elite universities.

Yale being left out in 2006:
Yale Daily News: Schools accept prince's money
Harvard magazine: A Saudi prince's controversial gift

Yale on the gravy train in 2015:
Christian Science Monitor: Why did a Saudi billionaire donate $10 million to Yale?

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