What about changing the format of the site up a bit?
Allow only currently registered people to comment. Lock out new commenters, but allow them to apply and review adding new folks only once every 3 months or something like that?
Just thinking out loud here on how to make the site less work for you!
I'm kind of using John Gruber's site, daringfireball.net , as an example. He doesn't allow commenting, and barely has any advertising, and the site isn't crippling work for him and it's very successful.
Now, obviously not allowing comments wouldn't work here. But maybe turn it into a somewhat more limited membership site, keep the strong front pagers, let progressive news continue to flow, but limit things otherwise so you might need to pay attention to the site once a week or so? Maybe there's a way . . .
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
I'll bet that the Clinton faction would pay a pretty penny via a proxy for this. I've had a lot of trouble getting onto the Progressive Wing (haven't tried much lately, though) but that's another great home-from-home site if C-9 collapses following the sale.
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A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
If you will consider accepting volunteer help instead of leaving us, I will donate some of my time to help with keeping this wonderful place alive. Take care Johnny. I don't know what happened but I truly hope it can be worked out.
I won't have time, either, for at least another year. However, if a group of posters wish to buy the site, I would contribute some of the purchase price. The group needs to include people with technical skills, though.
buy (co-own) it. $3 a mo. to maintain it. Any leftover funds can go to the two or three Bernie initiatives (Our Revolution).
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Honestly, I do understand. You have been getting a shitton of grief lately and I know this website is not easy sometimes. I can't even imagine the work you have to do on the back end to keep this thing afloat.
If there is anything I can do to help, I will, especially if it will get you to stay. Seriously. I don't know code, but I am willing to help moderate or whatever. (I don't know if you'd want someone like me as a moderator, but just an offer.)
I really appreciate everything you and Joe have done to keep this place running, JtC. Thanks for everything, and please know that you are definitely loved. For real.
And Moderation is a thankless job at that. But if 10 or more users were granted some Moderation authority to time-out users and delete comments, etc, that might take a significant load off of the site managers.
To JtC and Joe, let me extend my thanks and gratitude for all you have done regardless of what happens next.
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This site has six moderators in addition to the two administrators here, JtC and Joe. Moderation is only a part of what JtC does. As the admin, he screens all the new accounts and maintains the system's operating capacities. In addition, if a user refuses to comply with the moderator's warning to act civilly, only JtC and Joe have the ability to disable that user's account. We all have to realize the JtC built this site from the ground up on his own time because he believed in the mission of what a small group wanted to be able to do. This is his baby and he feels an enormous responsibility for it. He is not being compensated for it and it is draining his time away from his own business as well as his family.
While I do not want to see JtC sell this place, I understand why he feels he must do it. It has become a full time job with no pay. At some point, any reasonable human being must make a choice.
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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I do not want JtC to sell this place either. I believe that he needs to be compensated for his time, and/or he needs to spend less time here.
That means more money and more delegation. As GG pointed out up above, JtC really is the whole ball of wax around here. He does it all. Most if not all of the moderators here are willing to assume more responsibility, as are many of the members of this site as you can see in comments, but the ball and the liability is in JtC's court. So when I talk about delegating, it is not something that can be taken lightly.
In addition to more delegation so JtC can walk away, we need more money to compensate him particularly for the technical time he spends here. I would urge and support an annual membership fee up to $120 per year. That is $10/month. Most of us can afford that. To help those that can't, I would like to have gift subscriptions available just like they do on big top. If we find we have so many members that we can afford to lower the membership fee, we can do that when it is time to renew for the next year. This way the price is always set on the current number of participants.
I hope JtC is listening and will allow us to come forward and put together a membership drive and develop, define, and document the process.
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Just wondering if you could generate enough revenue to pay someone to run it for you.
I truly would hate to see this site drift into different hands. I do a lot of lurking here. I have 5 more essays written in my head that I was going to post here.
I've been building up my Twitter account and was hoping to use this site for link.
That's why I asked about ads. At the moment, more hits here mean no additional revenue but more work/expense for you.
One of my diaries on TOP was shared 36k times on Facebook. Looking at the 'public' shares on fb, there were an average of around 5 likes per post. TOP may have had 150,000 hits from that one post.
I'm not saying this to brag because it was a fluke that I happened to hit a nerve because it was a topical subject. I had never come close to that before or since.
What I am instead saying is that it could be possible to turn this into a self-sustaining and/or profitable enterprise.
There are so few places for the 99% to be heard. I'd hate to see this end up in shillary's dead zone.
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If someone as clumsy and unpolished as I am can 'hit a nerve' with the masses, then maybe we need to find a way to keep this place away from shills and continue to have a voice.
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that was a pretty moving post, straight from the heart, and you received a number of positive responses (but also quite a few flames). And that was a pretty early post (February 2016, if I am not mistaken?).
Much has happened since then. The Democratic primary "elections" clearly were stolen; the Repugnant primaries probably less so(!!). The $hill now is in charge, and is marshaling her minions to move the discourse in the US even further toward the Right (Insane) Wing. In some respects, The Donald appears to be more reasonable than does The $hill.
What a world (as The WWW -- Wicked Witch of the West -- stated). The $hill is committed to running as a Repug (and a truly nasty one, at that - Nixon & The $hill will have the distinction of retaining an indicted war criminal -- Kissinger -- as an honored advisor). Based on his stated positions, The Donald seems to be leaning toward running as a Democrat (when he isn't running as an inmate of Bedlam).
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When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.
messages)! We'd let each other know about Bern diaries of interest, and notify each other if we saw someone getting picked on so we could go uprate and comment as available. We focused on content, not personalities, which I guess is why some of us like it here. There were several hundred members, I believe, so almost always at least a few active members were available. It was the most active, supportive group I was part of Over There, and that includes groups I founded! (But I am trying to learn from the W4B experience.)
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The Women for Bernie group. It's the most supportive, close knit and engaged group I've ever been a part of ( and like ec, I started several groups at GOS!
Best of luck to all my old buds, and wishing we could form a similar group here! ((Hugs))
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"When the powerless are shut out of the media, we will make the media irrelevant" ~Anonymous~
One of the themes of your wonderful article on TOP was discrimination as a woman mechanic in the Air Force and the fact that you would not fall for false feminism in Hillary to allow the continued march of the 1% to control more and more
Well, here is something different, really different.
This is from philosophy and I always say up front that even trying to understand this stuff for 40 years it is still a daily struggle
A tweet today from the effort of the French polymath Bruno Latour brought up 2 books.
In Bruno Latour's metaphics, humans and non human actors are on the stage. Expecially from Kant, human access, human determination of everything has been primary.
With Bruno we now notice that carbon dioxide is a major political actor, not mere stuff to be pushed around.
In any case here are the two books. (Hint - have you felt that you have been ignored like a stone???)
Stone: An Ecology of the Inhuman
Stone maps the force, vivacity, and stories within our most mundane matter, stone. For too long stone has served as an unexamined metaphor for the “really real”: blunt factuality, nature’s curt rebuke. Yet, medieval writers knew that stones drop with fire from the sky, emerge through the subterranean lovemaking of the elements, tumble along riverbeds from Eden, partner with the masons who build worlds with them. Such motion suggests an ecological enmeshment and an almost creaturely mineral life.
Although geological time can leave us reeling, Jeffrey Jerome Cohen argues that stone’s endurance is also an invitation to apprehend the world in other than human terms. Never truly inert, stone poses a profound challenge to modernity’s disenchantments. Its agency undermines the human desire to be separate from the environment, a bifurcation that renders nature “out there,” a mere resource for recreation, consumption, and exploitation.
Written with great verve and elegance, this pioneering work is notable not only for interweaving the medieval and the modern but also as a major contribution to ecotheory. Comprising chapters organized by concept —“Geophilia,” “Time,” “Force,” and “Soul”—Cohen seamlessly brings together a wide range of topics including stone’s potential to transport humans into nonanthropocentric scales of place and time, the “petrification” of certain cultures, the messages fossils bear, the architecture of Bordeaux and Montparnasse, Yucca Mountain and nuclear waste disposal, the ability of stone to communicate across millennia in structures like Stonehenge, and debates over whether stones reproduce and have souls.
Showing that what is often assumed to be the most lifeless of substances is, in its own time, restless and forever in motion, Stone fittingly concludes by taking us to Iceland⎯a land that, writes the author, “reminds us that stone like water is alive, that stone like water is transient.”
and the second book
The Planet in a Pebble: A journey into Earth's deep history
This is the story of a single pebble. It is just a normal pebble, as you might pick up on holiday - on a beach in Wales, say. Its history, though, carries us into abyssal depths of time, and across the farthest reaches of space.
This is a narrative of the Earth's long and dramatic history, as gleaned from a single pebble. It begins as the pebble-particles form amid unimaginable violence in distal realms of the Universe, in the Big Bang and in supernova explosions and continues amid the construction of the Solar System. Jan Zalasiewicz shows the almost incredible complexity present in such a small and apparently mundane object. Many events in the Earth's ancient past can be deciphered from a pebble: volcanic eruptions; the lives and deaths of extinct animals and plants; the alien nature of long-vanished oceans; and transformations deep underground, including the creations of fool's gold and of oil.
Zalasiewicz demonstrates how geologists reach deep into the Earth's past by forensic analysis of even the tiniest amounts of mineral matter. Many stories are crammed into each and every pebble around us. It may be small, and ordinary, this pebble - but it is also an eloquent part of our Earth's extraordinary, never-ending story.
From Bruno Latour's work I realized "No Issues, No Politics." Part of the revolution of the Bernie movement is putting issues on the table and we need to keep them there.
I realize that this is a strange comment, but part of my ongoing attempt to realize why humans are so stuck and keep doing such stupid things, especially full speed ahead to attack gaia.
One of my favorite classes in college was geology (a BIG surprise for all who knew me). I went to school in New York, walking distance from Central Park, where one of our lab instructors took us there to look at the straitions that 40,000 year old glaciers made moving across the mica schist found all over Central Park. What was equally fascinating to me was the connection between the properties of a dense mica schist and the iconic New York City skyscraper.
This is what made me fall in love with TOP back in the day. The gathering of curious people. And I see it replicated here as well. We must do our best to keep it going!
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When you first posted it and sharing it on FB. The comments I received on FB were much the same. "This is why we have to speak up". I agree, and that is why we need places like this to gather and speak out about things that are important to us. This is even more important now in the absence of journalists doing their jobs. We are now, each of us, citizen journalists informing our sphere of influence.
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us, who? I'm all about building the platform, the infrastructure, for any tom, dick or harriett with a Smart Phone to be one of many Dan Rathers out there on the hinterland bringing us their piece of the news. C-99 should be part of that.
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vetting, but also, almost certainly, more sturm und drang to monitor and try to defuse and redirect into adult conversation. Also, the added burden of dealing with advertisers, setting up ads, incorporating them into pages, etc.
I dunno, but I suspect that it is not a simple matter nor an easy solution.
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why not simply post member-generated ads? C-99 members could go forth out into their own particular hinterland to solicit ads from local yokel merchants. "For $10 we can get your ad on our site for a month! $49 gets your ad run for six months!"
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to fund the site. One way to do this is to use the tweet and FB share buttons. I do it all the time. We all need to do it more often. When we write, we need to do our titles and the intros with that in mind so they share better.
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joined I've not donated. Money isn't here, hoping for work. But I UNDERSTAND doing what you have to do. You are such a good person and have been a gracious and entertaining/educating host.
Thank you very much.
Sincerely,
A. Matthews
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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
you that would drop the time suck to a reasonable level?
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can only be done with full admin privileges, which means giving complete access to the backend. I'm not comfortable with doing that for a number of reasons.
someone well versed in Drupal and someone I trust totally, that's a high bar. The site was live for many months before I asked Joe to admin with me, and he's like a brother to me.
I completely get the trust factor and the Drupal thing. That is a very specific skill set and, while I'd like to blow smoke up your ass here and tell you that someone here knows Drupal, I'm not convinced that's true.
the Drupal system then they stand to make a lot of money using their skills. They won't want to waste precious time donating it to this site unless they're paid for it. If we have to hire someone to run the site then it might as well be me. It's very hard to find a skilled developer that will do it for nothing.
I'm assuming by "know Drupal" what you really mean is "understand PHP/Java coding in the Drupal framework"??
I ask because I'm currently working on developing those same skills for Joomla. I've got the dev environment mostly set-up and I'm slowly starting to wade into the details of the framework. I'm not very concerned about the syntax of PHP/Java since I already know languages from FORTRAN to FORTH
Point here is that maybe you can get some free dev help... and without admin access since dev work happens on a dev platform. Seems like I could work on useful development targets rather than random "Hello World" stuff for Joomla. It's a thought anyway.
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for providing a place for us to come to. I understand that it was a great deal of work.
I would appreciate it if at some point when things become clearer and you have a time schedule in mind, you would give us a firm date for how long this place will continue to be up.
I really appreciate this site and hope that the kind, creative, and visionary people here can bring something together. Best wishes to all, notably you jtc.
I'm 62 years old and not retired. I'd love nothing more than devoting all of my time to this site. I sit at my computer from the time I get up in the morning to the time I go to bed at night, seven days a week. Tending this site is more than a full time job.
I'd love nothing more than to devote my full time to this site. So far donations are not even meeting minimum wage scale, not even close. Add in the headaches and grief I'm subjected to, I constantly ask myself why I'm doing it. I feel stuck.
for you. Some of us have a bit of a following, and I don't mind using my loud mouth for good instead of evil.
That being said, I don't want to guilt trip you into doing this. I know that I don't understand even a fraction of what you have to do for this website on a daily basis. It's obviously a vicious timesuck that is leaving your regular business unattended, and I honest to Buddha do not want you to be destitute or anywhere in the vicinity.
So ... I don't know. I love you, dude, but I want you to be OK.
here's the thing with fundraisers. Folks take it upon themselves to do them occasionally and that's a beautiful thing, it really is. But what happens is that only a relatively small portion of the membership respond to the fundraisers, over and over, the same ones, and many quite generously. But it's not fair that just a few bare the burden of funding this site, especially when I know that eventually these folks will tire of donating. It's a conundrum and that's why I don't push for fundraisers myself. If you see a fundraiser here, it's someone other than myself doing it.
I know that running ads will generate a little more revenue, but at what cost of lost membership. I know I hate ads with a passion.
You can use the site free and put up with the ads, or you can donate $X and use the site without seeing the ads.
Alternatively, I know of a site begun by someone who supported Sanders in the primary and who has tech skills. That site has very few posters. Maybe something could be worked out with him or her that would entail a mass migration of posters from here to there?
No need to have that other class here, I thought we were fighting against that.
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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Not AFAIK. Different choices for different folks after the primary, I think. You can advocate for any or all positions, just don't expect the site to take one side.
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I thought he might be interested. Also, he is willing and to do the tech stuff free in order to have his own site. Why would he pay for this site and do the tech stuff--described at more than a full time job seven days a week-- for free in a format he did not choose?
At the time I suggested that, I thought this site was in imminent danger of shutting down, so I thought that might work. As things have since developed, it seems the money may be there without a sale.
My guess is that people like Steven D and OPOL have a large following, either on Twitter or Facebook or other social media sites.
We start a Go Fund Me deal and promote the shit out of it, everywhere, at the same time. Kossacks_for_Sanders, too. (They had a big change of heart, btw. Wow.)
I wrote plenty of fundraiser diaries at TOP and many of them were quite successful. I don't think it would be terribly hard to get you some real cash money with a bit of networking and duct tape.
And ya know what? I'd be willing to put up with some goddamned ads to keep this place going. It's a small price to pay, pun not intended.
There is absolutely ZERO harm or shame in admitting that you need $$ to help keep this place running. Fuck, even PBS has fundraisers every few months.
And I'm just suggesting here, but I believe could be a swell idea: make ads a part of this website permanently. Suggest that people opt out of the ads by paying, say, $50.00 for a lifetime membership. kos does it, why can't you?
in a glob of bread up front, and nothing thereafter. Some folks will still throw in a few bux here and there after they hae such a membership, but there is no urgency because they're already paid up. Speaking from my own behavior, of course, but of those organizations and entities where I have a lifetime membership or subscription, only a few get additional follow-up bux, and generally, for most of that group, less and less often than their regular renewal would be.
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I've been thinking of Bill in Portland Maine, remember him? The Daily Kos community fundraised his salary every year. They probably still do, I don't know.
Me or, even better yet, Patreon. Patreon sets up accounts for recurring (monthly) payments, so individuals set it up in ten mins. or less, set the amount they wish to pay, and done. Payments are auto-sent each month to C-99. No fuss, no muss.
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I think it needs to be annual and paid lump sum or monthly. I would have no problem adding ads for non-payers. If you buy an annual membership, you escape the adds. A perk if you will for helping to carry our share of the load. See my comment up above about memberships and delegation. Ads for non-paying members and other fund-raising efforts could be added. We could create a committee to take the lead on this and bring it back to JtC to ok. Once authorized, the committee could run with it. We could meet off line to do it. I would even consider kicking in for "go to meeting" so we could have a place for this community and website to meet and do business. I'd have to check out the cost. It would be free to all the participants in the meetings.
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private message --- lol it's not to offer to buy c99 cause I'm fucking broke and I really believe this place is priceless --- you've created a beautiful place here for all of us!
I'm going to ask you some tough questions --- I don't know, maybe they aren't tough.
Johnny, do you love this place? Do you love the work you do from dusk til dawn? OR are you fuckin sick of this shit?
I find them entertaining sometimes in an ironic sense. On FB, for instance, it will show me an ad of something that I recently shopped for. I think, "You losers! You're going to show me that 'thing' over and over again but I already bought it."
Or "Hey, I didn't google 'Ireland' because I want to go there. I just wanted to know about the 1916 uprising. Go ahead and waste your ad purchases trying to suck me in."
I think we all pretty much have learned to accept them as part of the 'library fee' or 'entrance fee of a community'. Maybe I'm wrong, but, I don't think anyone would stop coming here just because ads are showing in the margins. It didn't stop me from spending years on TOP (the ides of march did that).
Maybe that would be a good question to put to the community?
No one likes to 'beg' for donations. And a lot of us 99%ers don't have money to spare anyway. If it would take ad revenue to keep the site going as is, I think 99% of us 99%ers would go for it!
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Ads can be annoying as hell, but it's a small price to pay, to be able to see good content.
Add me to the chorus of voices saying "Thank you" and "damn, sorry to read this", I hope something can be worked out that the site can remain. And I appreciate Johnny not giving back end access to just anybody. The problem with selling is that "serious purchasers" might have an agenda. You can't worry about that, because it's your life and you can't control an outcome of that nature, if you're really serious about giving it up. But you did so much work, and got such a positive and obviously meaningful response, I hope you can find someone worthy of continuing.
I don't mind ads--hell, I'll pay to be here, though. I get where this is a timesuck and a huge undertaking, completely. I will also say that three months out from a huge GE is probably going to necessitate a lot of OT, but I can also imagine that's as bad as it will get. After the inauguration, it'll probably get a lot easier. Can you at least hang in there until then? Boy, I'd hate to lose this, you guys got me off that horrible place, and I'd have to settle for The Intercept or someplace that isn't really a blog. I would miss you so much...
DESERVE the 'inconvenience' to compensate for our lack of funds to help keep the site going. It is nothing compared with the privilege of being able to read and post. It's not a punishment, it''s not even that big an annoyance. But if they help pick up our slack until some of us 'get' money, or a job, or whatever it is we need to do to start pulling our weight, well then so be it.
I'm not saying people who have no money are sponging off the site. I'm one of them. I'm just saying, we need to figure out ways to try to pick up the slack for us non-donors and us viewing ads is hardly a major disaster. They're part and parcel of the internet. Access to information is NOT free for the site owner and it really shouldn't be for the viewer.
I really don't care what happens, just so long as the site survives. I'd volunteer to help here, but I'm a Paralegal, not an IT Specialist. I'd be of no use whatsoever.
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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I had to remove the newly implemented protections because they were bogging down site performance to a standstill. We're back to the old way, we'll just have to put up with the dupes. Sorry.
problems sometimes. That and two herniated disks in my neck. Sometimes I can't help what my hands do, the stupid things. NOT ANYONE'S FAULT BUT MY OWN.
I sure like you. I don't know of any site I've ever been on where the host was so friendly, helpful, and sweet. I hope we can figure something out here.
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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I've answered several of the calls for contributions, but know that a little bit monthly, taken out of my paypal or whatever automatically would probably add up to more, and would be less of an impact.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
They have my card tied to a 30-year old email address that doesn't exist any more, and I have no idea any more what my password was. Many hours on the phone with them, but it seems unfixable.
and YOU, sir, needed to say it --- ok folks, let's get the money flowing! I'm going to donate next week when I get paid! Johnny, we are going to take care of you buddy! We are c99 because of you! You ain't gonna quit on us!
person or two whom you feel you can trust--I think, you know most of us here pretty well by now and discussions with those who are interested will tell you the rest of what you need to know--and create a partnership? It would relieve a lot of the pressure and still keep you involved. You can keep controlling interest so that things continue to run in the manner you prefer--which as far as I can tell is pretty darn well.
Obviously, the people you will be looking for are those with extensive background with servers or the operations of a blog site along with web design. Maybe people here know someone with those skills, and can have those people get in touch with you. They, it looks like, will need to be people who are not looking to make living at this, but want to make a difference and help foster real democracy.
Gandhi on the line for you, sir.
Thanks for all you do. (sixty-two?....I would have never guessed. = ))
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with the necessary skills volunteer in the last few months but they don't stick around long. If they have the necessary skills then they can make damn good money using said skills and wont hang around donating their time. I don't blame them one bit for thinking that way, I understand it totally. It is not easy to find someone skilled that will donate the necessary time.
well, two actually. One will take a bit more work, but has a lot of potential.
The easy one first:
As you are able to find short-term volunteers, it might be an idea to make arrangements with the ones yo trust for some kind of profit sharing. Maybe the site can hold a monthly bake sale to generate some extra funds (run by a volunteer of course). People can donate items to the bake sale/garage sale with the funds going to site people/maintenance. Maybe even an auction.
Idea two (much more intensive but with a lot of growth potential):
Create a 501(c) with c99 as the focus. What would be needed would be some kind of result-oriented focus. The site is about issues. Pick an issue (or more than one) each month that people contribute knowledge and expertise to and then set up a system to educate the public regarding that issue. This would also include educating our government officials and activist actions.
The reason to do it this way: Grants! There re tons of grants (including gov't grants)available for nonprofits if one takes the time to look for them and do the paperwork. You would need to find someone familiar with grant writing becasue it uses a language all its own. = )
This would not change the basic purpose or general dialogue of the current site, but would add an extra dimension. Like I said, it is more work, but it would provide an income for you to run the site (CEO) and still hire the appropriate assistants.
Anyway, just a couple of thoughts.
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it's a lot of work to submit applications for a lot of no's.
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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
and I have written several (for a 501(3)(c) basically the first ones never pan out unless they are for piddly amounts. To get the ones that actually cover the cost of the grant writing process itself takes years of applications. The process is brutal.
I would also question whether a political blog can operate as a 501 (c) - I am pretty sure that it would be nigh on impossible to get (3)(c) status as advocacy for politicians or parties is out - causes are OK though. Suspect the owner would have to delete all comments that say, supported Sanders. Tax exemption is not given lightly (unless you are a church)
I am not aware of any political blogs that operate under the 501 code
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That's from 2012. Has anything changed as a result of that complaint? Not that I am aware of.
Imagine industries getting tax deductions for donating to an "educational" Republican group writing laws for their specific benefits, which it gets to legislators by providing them with "scholarships" to junkets in luxurious resorts where they receive insights on "model legislation" along with the golf, and other recreation, dinners, cocktail parties, etc.
In a similar vein, Rhode Island has a nice little scandal going on with numerous state legislators fronting various non-profits which then get state grants which then go into various connected pockets.
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I've been thinking about this for a long time...
I have a business that I need to run, this site is taking too much of my time, I can't do both.
Just a Thought
What about changing the format of the site up a bit?
Allow only currently registered people to comment. Lock out new commenters, but allow them to apply and review adding new folks only once every 3 months or something like that?
Just thinking out loud here on how to make the site less work for you!
I'm kind of using John Gruber's site, daringfireball.net , as an example. He doesn't allow commenting, and barely has any advertising, and the site isn't crippling work for him and it's very successful.
Now, obviously not allowing comments wouldn't work here. But maybe turn it into a somewhat more limited membership site, keep the strong front pagers, let progressive news continue to flow, but limit things otherwise so you might need to pay attention to the site once a week or so? Maybe there's a way . . .
It's been a real gift. Thank you.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Best of luck
and thanks.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
I'm a little shocked... but I understand.
I'm just hoping that somebody can keep this going.
I'd hate for the meetup on the 20th to be a wrap party.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
No other options?
can any of the load be delegated?
Good luck and thanks either way.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
I'm sorry to hear that
I wish you luck and hope this site survives the changes.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I'll bet that the Clinton
I'll bet that the Clinton faction would pay a pretty penny via a proxy for this. I've had a lot of trouble getting onto the Progressive Wing (haven't tried much lately, though) but that's another great home-from-home site if C-9 collapses following the sale.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Is caucus99percent.com
a profitable enterprise?
native
If you're interested
send me a pm.
You have to admit it.
That's the most forward question I've seen in a long time..
Strait-forward. Succinct. No bullshit there.
A little off key in delivery. But honest.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Ooh, nooo.... Groan!
I have zero money and rudimentary css/html skills, but I do have time.
If I can help carry the load to keep things going, please let me know.
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Sad news... I hope tomorrow will bring a new perspective
If you will consider accepting volunteer help instead of leaving us, I will donate some of my time to help with keeping this wonderful place alive. Take care Johnny. I don't know what happened but I truly hope it can be worked out.
I am so sorry. This is a unique site with
great posters.
I won't have time, either, for at least another year. However, if a group of posters wish to buy the site, I would contribute some of the purchase price. The group needs to include people with technical skills, though.
I'm in --
don't have the tech skills, but could pony up a bit of cash. I can write a little, also --
When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.
Great, but strong tech skills have to come forward.
yes, I agree
but would it take a hundred or a thousand users at $27 each ...?
Co-Op! $10 each to
buy (co-own) it. $3 a mo. to maintain it. Any leftover funds can go to the two or three Bernie initiatives (Our Revolution).
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yes, thank you - "of the people, etc ..." n/t
Aww man, this fuckin' sucks.
Honestly, I do understand. You have been getting a shitton of grief lately and I know this website is not easy sometimes. I can't even imagine the work you have to do on the back end to keep this thing afloat.
If there is anything I can do to help, I will, especially if it will get you to stay. Seriously. I don't know code, but I am willing to help moderate or whatever. (I don't know if you'd want someone like me as a moderator, but just an offer.)
I really appreciate everything you and Joe have done to keep this place running, JtC. Thanks for everything, and please know that you are definitely loved. For real.
I miss Colorado.
Delegating Moderation. That was my first thought.
And Moderation is a thankless job at that. But if 10 or more users were granted some Moderation authority to time-out users and delete comments, etc, that might take a significant load off of the site managers.
To JtC and Joe, let me extend my thanks and gratitude for all you have done regardless of what happens next.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Moderation
This site has six moderators in addition to the two administrators here, JtC and Joe. Moderation is only a part of what JtC does. As the admin, he screens all the new accounts and maintains the system's operating capacities. In addition, if a user refuses to comply with the moderator's warning to act civilly, only JtC and Joe have the ability to disable that user's account. We all have to realize the JtC built this site from the ground up on his own time because he believed in the mission of what a small group wanted to be able to do. This is his baby and he feels an enormous responsibility for it. He is not being compensated for it and it is draining his time away from his own business as well as his family.
While I do not want to see JtC sell this place, I understand why he feels he must do it. It has become a full time job with no pay. At some point, any reasonable human being must make a choice.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
As one of the mods, let me chime in...
I do not want JtC to sell this place either. I believe that he needs to be compensated for his time, and/or he needs to spend less time here.
That means more money and more delegation. As GG pointed out up above, JtC really is the whole ball of wax around here. He does it all. Most if not all of the moderators here are willing to assume more responsibility, as are many of the members of this site as you can see in comments, but the ball and the liability is in JtC's court. So when I talk about delegating, it is not something that can be taken lightly.
In addition to more delegation so JtC can walk away, we need more money to compensate him particularly for the technical time he spends here. I would urge and support an annual membership fee up to $120 per year. That is $10/month. Most of us can afford that. To help those that can't, I would like to have gift subscriptions available just like they do on big top. If we find we have so many members that we can afford to lower the membership fee, we can do that when it is time to renew for the next year. This way the price is always set on the current number of participants.
I hope JtC is listening and will allow us to come forward and put together a membership drive and develop, define, and document the process.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Have you thought about adding ads?
Just wondering if you could generate enough revenue to pay someone to run it for you.
I truly would hate to see this site drift into different hands. I do a lot of lurking here. I have 5 more essays written in my head that I was going to post here.
I've been building up my Twitter account and was hoping to use this site for link.
That's why I asked about ads. At the moment, more hits here mean no additional revenue but more work/expense for you.
One of my diaries on TOP was shared 36k times on Facebook. Looking at the 'public' shares on fb, there were an average of around 5 likes per post. TOP may have had 150,000 hits from that one post.
I'm not saying this to brag because it was a fluke that I happened to hit a nerve because it was a topical subject. I had never come close to that before or since.
What I am instead saying is that it could be possible to turn this into a self-sustaining and/or profitable enterprise.
There are so few places for the 99% to be heard. I'd hate to see this end up in shillary's dead zone.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when we are afraid of the light.
--Plato
I don't think anyone would call me a liar, but
just want to prove that I'm not exaggerating.
link TOP
If someone as clumsy and unpolished as I am can 'hit a nerve' with the masses, then maybe we need to find a way to keep this place away from shills and continue to have a voice.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when we are afraid of the light.
--Plato
... followed the link, Plato --
that was a pretty moving post, straight from the heart, and you received a number of positive responses (but also quite a few flames). And that was a pretty early post (February 2016, if I am not mistaken?).
Much has happened since then. The Democratic primary "elections" clearly were stolen; the Repugnant primaries probably less so(!!). The $hill now is in charge, and is marshaling her minions to move the discourse in the US even further toward the Right (Insane) Wing. In some respects, The Donald appears to be more reasonable than does The $hill.
What a world (as The WWW -- Wicked Witch of the West -- stated). The $hill is committed to running as a Repug (and a truly nasty one, at that - Nixon & The $hill will have the distinction of retaining an indicted war criminal -- Kissinger -- as an honored advisor). Based on his stated positions, The Donald seems to be leaning toward running as a Democrat (when he isn't running as an inmate of Bedlam).
When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.
I had a lot of help putting out the flames!
"Women for Bernie" came to my rescue quite a bit in there. People that I barely knew popped in to shut up the shillaries.
We can fight their flames with our own fire even now: Berning determination to make this political revolution smoke!
(PS Thanks for the compliment!)
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when we are afraid of the light.
--Plato
W4B was/is a great group (we're still Over There in the
messages)! We'd let each other know about Bern diaries of interest, and notify each other if we saw someone getting picked on so we could go uprate and comment as available. We focused on content, not personalities, which I guess is why some of us like it here. There were several hundred members, I believe, so almost always at least a few active members were available. It was the most active, supportive group I was part of Over There, and that includes groups I founded! (But I am trying to learn from the W4B experience.)
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The only thing I miss from TOP is
The Women for Bernie group. It's the most supportive, close knit and engaged group I've ever been a part of ( and like ec, I started several groups at GOS!
Best of luck to all my old buds, and wishing we could form a similar group here! ((Hugs))
"When the powerless are shut out of the media, we will make the media irrelevant" ~Anonymous~
Plato2016 - excellent post on TOP/DK - how about this...
One of the themes of your wonderful article on TOP was discrimination as a woman mechanic in the Air Force and the fact that you would not fall for false feminism in Hillary to allow the continued march of the 1% to control more and more
Well, here is something different, really different.
This is from philosophy and I always say up front that even trying to understand this stuff for 40 years it is still a daily struggle
A tweet today from the effort of the French polymath Bruno Latour brought up 2 books.
In Bruno Latour's metaphics, humans and non human actors are on the stage. Expecially from Kant, human access, human determination of everything has been primary.
With Bruno we now notice that carbon dioxide is a major political actor, not mere stuff to be pushed around.
In any case here are the two books. (Hint - have you felt that you have been ignored like a stone???)
and the second book
From Bruno Latour's work I realized "No Issues, No Politics." Part of the revolution of the Bernie movement is putting issues on the table and we need to keep them there.
I realize that this is a strange comment, but part of my ongoing attempt to realize why humans are so stuck and keep doing such stupid things, especially full speed ahead to attack gaia.
Loved your geological take
On this, and, no, it's not strange.
One of my favorite classes in college was geology (a BIG surprise for all who knew me). I went to school in New York, walking distance from Central Park, where one of our lab instructors took us there to look at the straitions that 40,000 year old glaciers made moving across the mica schist found all over Central Park. What was equally fascinating to me was the connection between the properties of a dense mica schist and the iconic New York City skyscraper.
This is what made me fall in love with TOP back in the day. The gathering of curious people. And I see it replicated here as well. We must do our best to keep it going!
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I remember reading your wonderful diary
When you first posted it and sharing it on FB. The comments I received on FB were much the same. "This is why we have to speak up". I agree, and that is why we need places like this to gather and speak out about things that are important to us. This is even more important now in the absence of journalists doing their jobs. We are now, each of us, citizen journalists informing our sphere of influence.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
yep, exactly. If not
us, who? I'm all about building the platform, the infrastructure, for any tom, dick or harriett with a Smart Phone to be one of many Dan Rathers out there on the hinterland bringing us their piece of the news. C-99 should be part of that.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Ad revenue
requires an incredible amount of traffic to generate a meaningful amount of income. The numbers aren't there yet.
Is there a way to get the numbers up?
What could we do to help? Get more people to join? Post more? Tweet more?
I wouldn't want to go there if it's just going to add more work to an already overloaded manager, though.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when we are afraid of the light.
--Plato
Plato - That's the crux of the issue, more users, more
vetting, but also, almost certainly, more sturm und drang to monitor and try to defuse and redirect into adult conversation. Also, the added burden of dealing with advertisers, setting up ads, incorporating them into pages, etc.
I dunno, but I suspect that it is not a simple matter nor an easy solution.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
As far as ads go,
why not simply post member-generated ads? C-99 members could go forth out into their own particular hinterland to solicit ads from local yokel merchants. "For $10 we can get your ad on our site for a month! $49 gets your ad run for six months!"
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
The numbers need to go up for ads and/or new members
to fund the site. One way to do this is to use the tweet and FB share buttons. I do it all the time. We all need to do it more often. When we write, we need to do our titles and the intros with that in mind so they share better.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Dammit
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
Add me to the list of people....
Who have no money, but would be happy to help in other ways (admin., etc.)
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
I do not know what to say. I love this site although since I
joined I've not donated. Money isn't here, hoping for work. But I UNDERSTAND doing what you have to do. You are such a good person and have been a gracious and entertaining/educating host.
Thank you very much.
Sincerely,
A. Matthews
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Is there any combination of tasks that some of us could do for
you that would drop the time suck to a reasonable level?
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
I'm in on this.
Been here recently all day anyway, so Maybe there's some way we can help out?
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Delagating the tasks I do...
can only be done with full admin privileges, which means giving complete access to the backend. I'm not comfortable with doing that for a number of reasons.
Well, is there someone that you
DO feel comfortable giving admin privileges to? Someone who'd be willing to help you out?
I miss Colorado.
it would have to be...
someone well versed in Drupal and someone I trust totally, that's a high bar. The site was live for many months before I asked Joe to admin with me, and he's like a brother to me.
That's all fair.
I completely get the trust factor and the Drupal thing. That is a very specific skill set and, while I'd like to blow smoke up your ass here and tell you that someone here knows Drupal, I'm not convinced that's true.
I miss Colorado.
If they know...
the Drupal system then they stand to make a lot of money using their skills. They won't want to waste precious time donating it to this site unless they're paid for it. If we have to hire someone to run the site then it might as well be me. It's very hard to find a skilled developer that will do it for nothing.
bucks
just kicking in 20 bucks. thanks for all you do
From the way you say this...
I'm assuming by "know Drupal" what you really mean is "understand PHP/Java coding in the Drupal framework"??
I ask because I'm currently working on developing those same skills for Joomla. I've got the dev environment mostly set-up and I'm slowly starting to wade into the details of the framework. I'm not very concerned about the syntax of PHP/Java since I already know languages from FORTRAN to FORTH
Point here is that maybe you can get some free dev help... and without admin access since dev work happens on a dev platform. Seems like I could work on useful development targets rather than random "Hello World" stuff for Joomla. It's a thought anyway.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
I can think of only one
person qualified and trustworthy and she would not be willing, Im betting.
sigh.... very sorry to hear this JtC.
Thank you
for providing a place for us to come to. I understand that it was a great deal of work.
I would appreciate it if at some point when things become clearer and you have a time schedule in mind, you would give us a firm date for how long this place will continue to be up.
Sad News
I really appreciate this site and hope that the kind, creative, and visionary people here can bring something together. Best wishes to all, notably you jtc.
Avid Agnostic
Listen folks, here's the bottom line...
I'm 62 years old and not retired. I'd love nothing more than devoting all of my time to this site. I sit at my computer from the time I get up in the morning to the time I go to bed at night, seven days a week. Tending this site is more than a full time job.
I'd love nothing more than to devote my full time to this site. So far donations are not even meeting minimum wage scale, not even close. Add in the headaches and grief I'm subjected to, I constantly ask myself why I'm doing it. I feel stuck.
Listen, we can do a major-ass fundraiser
for you. Some of us have a bit of a following, and I don't mind using my loud mouth for good instead of evil.
That being said, I don't want to guilt trip you into doing this. I know that I don't understand even a fraction of what you have to do for this website on a daily basis. It's obviously a vicious timesuck that is leaving your regular business unattended, and I honest to Buddha do not want you to be destitute or anywhere in the vicinity.
So ... I don't know. I love you, dude, but I want you to be OK.
I miss Colorado.
thanks shiz...
here's the thing with fundraisers. Folks take it upon themselves to do them occasionally and that's a beautiful thing, it really is. But what happens is that only a relatively small portion of the membership respond to the fundraisers, over and over, the same ones, and many quite generously. But it's not fair that just a few bare the burden of funding this site, especially when I know that eventually these folks will tire of donating. It's a conundrum and that's why I don't push for fundraisers myself. If you see a fundraiser here, it's someone other than myself doing it.
I know that running ads will generate a little more revenue, but at what cost of lost membership. I know I hate ads with a passion.
Other sites give the choice:
You can use the site free and put up with the ads, or you can donate $X and use the site without seeing the ads.
Alternatively, I know of a site begun by someone who supported Sanders in the primary and who has tech skills. That site has very few posters. Maybe something could be worked out with him or her that would entail a mass migration of posters from here to there?
I like the idea of a choice of ads or paid membership.
I'd love a site with no ads, but they are a fact of life virtually everywhere. Just don't do video ads, they SLOW things way down.
If you reach out to the Sanders guy, though, I'd suggest getting them to mass migrate from there to here.
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A site that is free (somehow) or charges all is best
No need to have that other class here, I thought we were fighting against that.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Fighting against Sanders?
Not AFAIK. Different choices for different folks after the primary, I think. You can advocate for any or all positions, just don't expect the site to take one side.
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There is no mass at his site to migrate here, which is why
I thought he might be interested. Also, he is willing and to do the tech stuff free in order to have his own site. Why would he pay for this site and do the tech stuff--described at more than a full time job seven days a week-- for free in a format he did not choose?
At the time I suggested that, I thought this site was in imminent danger of shutting down, so I thought that might work. As things have since developed, it seems the money may be there without a sale.
The fundraiser wouldn't just be here, that's the thing.
My guess is that people like Steven D and OPOL have a large following, either on Twitter or Facebook or other social media sites.
We start a Go Fund Me deal and promote the shit out of it, everywhere, at the same time. Kossacks_for_Sanders, too. (They had a big change of heart, btw. Wow.)
I wrote plenty of fundraiser diaries at TOP and many of them were quite successful. I don't think it would be terribly hard to get you some real cash money with a bit of networking and duct tape.
And ya know what? I'd be willing to put up with some goddamned ads to keep this place going. It's a small price to pay, pun not intended.
There is absolutely ZERO harm or shame in admitting that you need $$ to help keep this place running. Fuck, even PBS has fundraisers every few months.
And I'm just suggesting here, but I believe could be a swell idea: make ads a part of this website permanently. Suggest that people opt out of the ads by paying, say, $50.00 for a lifetime membership. kos does it, why can't you?
I miss Colorado.
Shiz - one thing about lifetime memberships is that they being
in a glob of bread up front, and nothing thereafter. Some folks will still throw in a few bux here and there after they hae such a membership, but there is no urgency because they're already paid up. Speaking from my own behavior, of course, but of those organizations and entities where I have a lifetime membership or subscription, only a few get additional follow-up bux, and generally, for most of that group, less and less often than their regular renewal would be.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
No, you're totally right about this.
I've been thinking of Bill in Portland Maine, remember him? The Daily Kos community fundraised his salary every year. They probably still do, I don't know.
So, yeah, let's make this an ongoing thing!
I miss Colorado.
Post up a Go-Fund-
Me or, even better yet, Patreon. Patreon sets up accounts for recurring (monthly) payments, so individuals set it up in ten mins. or less, set the amount they wish to pay, and done. Payments are auto-sent each month to C-99. No fuss, no muss.
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Even top stopped doing life time
I think it needs to be annual and paid lump sum or monthly. I would have no problem adding ads for non-payers. If you buy an annual membership, you escape the adds. A perk if you will for helping to carry our share of the load. See my comment up above about memberships and delegation. Ads for non-paying members and other fund-raising efforts could be added. We could create a committee to take the lead on this and bring it back to JtC to ok. Once authorized, the committee could run with it. We could meet off line to do it. I would even consider kicking in for "go to meeting" so we could have a place for this community and website to meet and do business. I'd have to check out the cost. It would be free to all the participants in the meetings.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Johnny, I'm doing something wrong --- I can't seem to send you a
private message --- lol it's not to offer to buy c99 cause I'm fucking broke and I really believe this place is priceless --- you've created a beautiful place here for all of us!
I'm going to ask you some tough questions --- I don't know, maybe they aren't tough.
Johnny, do you love this place? Do you love the work you do from dusk til dawn? OR are you fuckin sick of this shit?
I'm asking because I care about you!
Try sending to Admin and put Johnny's name on it.
I don't think he has his own named box for us to use.
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We all hate ads. But we know they pay the bills.
I've learned to tune them out considerably.
I find them entertaining sometimes in an ironic sense. On FB, for instance, it will show me an ad of something that I recently shopped for. I think, "You losers! You're going to show me that 'thing' over and over again but I already bought it."
Or "Hey, I didn't google 'Ireland' because I want to go there. I just wanted to know about the 1916 uprising. Go ahead and waste your ad purchases trying to suck me in."
I think we all pretty much have learned to accept them as part of the 'library fee' or 'entrance fee of a community'. Maybe I'm wrong, but, I don't think anyone would stop coming here just because ads are showing in the margins. It didn't stop me from spending years on TOP (the ides of march did that).
Maybe that would be a good question to put to the community?
No one likes to 'beg' for donations. And a lot of us 99%ers don't have money to spare anyway. If it would take ad revenue to keep the site going as is, I think 99% of us 99%ers would go for it!
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when we are afraid of the light.
--Plato
Spot
On
Seriously
Ads can be annoying as hell, but it's a small price to pay, to be able to see good content.
Add me to the chorus of voices saying "Thank you" and "damn, sorry to read this", I hope something can be worked out that the site can remain. And I appreciate Johnny not giving back end access to just anybody. The problem with selling is that "serious purchasers" might have an agenda. You can't worry about that, because it's your life and you can't control an outcome of that nature, if you're really serious about giving it up. But you did so much work, and got such a positive and obviously meaningful response, I hope you can find someone worthy of continuing.
I don't mind ads--hell, I'll pay to be here, though. I get where this is a timesuck and a huge undertaking, completely. I will also say that three months out from a huge GE is probably going to necessitate a lot of OT, but I can also imagine that's as bad as it will get. After the inauguration, it'll probably get a lot easier. Can you at least hang in there until then? Boy, I'd hate to lose this, you guys got me off that horrible place, and I'd have to settle for The Intercept or someplace that isn't really a blog. I would miss you so much...
As long as they aren't those
Ads showing feet with horrible toenail fungus. That, I could live without. Lol.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Or scary photoshpped pictures
of lizard skinned women who can redo their faces without surgery. Belly fat and Obama want's you to refinance you mortgage are creepy too.
The thing about ads is that those of us who don't donate
DESERVE the 'inconvenience' to compensate for our lack of funds to help keep the site going. It is nothing compared with the privilege of being able to read and post. It's not a punishment, it''s not even that big an annoyance. But if they help pick up our slack until some of us 'get' money, or a job, or whatever it is we need to do to start pulling our weight, well then so be it.
I'm not saying people who have no money are sponging off the site. I'm one of them. I'm just saying, we need to figure out ways to try to pick up the slack for us non-donors and us viewing ads is hardly a major disaster. They're part and parcel of the internet. Access to information is NOT free for the site owner and it really shouldn't be for the viewer.
I really don't care what happens, just so long as the site survives. I'd volunteer to help here, but I'm a Paralegal, not an IT Specialist. I'd be of no use whatsoever.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Dupe - somehow if anyone can do it, I can
Even with the new 'protections'.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Amanda...
I had to remove the newly implemented protections because they were bogging down site performance to a standstill. We're back to the old way, we'll just have to put up with the dupes. Sorry.
Oh no, it's my fault. I have a history of strokes. It leads to
problems sometimes. That and two herniated disks in my neck. Sometimes I can't help what my hands do, the stupid things. NOT ANYONE'S FAULT BUT MY OWN.
I sure like you. I don't know of any site I've ever been on where the host was so friendly, helpful, and sweet. I hope we can figure something out here.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Is there a way to do a monthly payment?
I've answered several of the calls for contributions, but know that a little bit monthly, taken out of my paypal or whatever automatically would probably add up to more, and would be less of an impact.
I think you can set PayPal up to do that, but I've never
done it.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
We do the monthly for
We do the monthly for WildEarth Guardians via paypal
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Yes
When you donate via paypal, there is a "Make This Recurring" option.
I'd do a monthly payment, but I can't do it on PayPal
They have my card tied to a 30-year old email address that doesn't exist any more, and I have no idea any more what my password was. Many hours on the phone with them, but it seems unfixable.
My credit card is good, though.
Good, Johnny, ya got it out there man --- it needed to be said
and YOU, sir, needed to say it --- ok folks, let's get the money flowing! I'm going to donate next week when I get paid! Johnny, we are going to take care of you buddy! We are c99 because of you! You ain't gonna quit on us!
Maybe merging with another site is the answer?
Rather than sell the site outright, why not find a
person or two whom you feel you can trust--I think, you know most of us here pretty well by now and discussions with those who are interested will tell you the rest of what you need to know--and create a partnership? It would relieve a lot of the pressure and still keep you involved. You can keep controlling interest so that things continue to run in the manner you prefer--which as far as I can tell is pretty darn well.
Obviously, the people you will be looking for are those with extensive background with servers or the operations of a blog site along with web design. Maybe people here know someone with those skills, and can have those people get in touch with you. They, it looks like, will need to be people who are not looking to make living at this, but want to make a difference and help foster real democracy.
Gandhi on the line for you, sir.
Thanks for all you do. (sixty-two?....I would have never guessed. = ))
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
I've had a couple of people...
with the necessary skills volunteer in the last few months but they don't stick around long. If they have the necessary skills then they can make damn good money using said skills and wont hang around donating their time. I don't blame them one bit for thinking that way, I understand it totally. It is not easy to find someone skilled that will donate the necessary time.
I just thought of another avenue...
well, two actually. One will take a bit more work, but has a lot of potential.
The easy one first:
As you are able to find short-term volunteers, it might be an idea to make arrangements with the ones yo trust for some kind of profit sharing. Maybe the site can hold a monthly bake sale to generate some extra funds (run by a volunteer of course). People can donate items to the bake sale/garage sale with the funds going to site people/maintenance. Maybe even an auction.
Idea two (much more intensive but with a lot of growth potential):
Create a 501(c) with c99 as the focus. What would be needed would be some kind of result-oriented focus. The site is about issues. Pick an issue (or more than one) each month that people contribute knowledge and expertise to and then set up a system to educate the public regarding that issue. This would also include educating our government officials and activist actions.
The reason to do it this way: Grants! There re tons of grants (including gov't grants)available for nonprofits if one takes the time to look for them and do the paperwork. You would need to find someone familiar with grant writing becasue it uses a language all its own. = )
This would not change the basic purpose or general dialogue of the current site, but would add an extra dimension. Like I said, it is more work, but it would provide an income for you to run the site (CEO) and still hire the appropriate assistants.
Anyway, just a couple of thoughts.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Unless there's an on-going grant-making benefactor
it's a lot of work to submit applications for a lot of no's.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
That is my experience too
and I have written several (for a 501(3)(c) basically the first ones never pan out unless they are for piddly amounts. To get the ones that actually cover the cost of the grant writing process itself takes years of applications. The process is brutal.
I would also question whether a political blog can operate as a 501 (c) - I am pretty sure that it would be nigh on impossible to get (3)(c) status as advocacy for politicians or parties is out - causes are OK though. Suspect the owner would have to delete all comments that say, supported Sanders. Tax exemption is not given lightly (unless you are a church)
I am not aware of any political blogs that operate under the 501 code
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
One of the great political scams IMO
is ALEC operating as a 501C.
A New Challenge To ALEC's Tax-exempt Status
That's from 2012. Has anything changed as a result of that complaint? Not that I am aware of.
Imagine industries getting tax deductions for donating to an "educational" Republican group writing laws for their specific benefits, which it gets to legislators by providing them with "scholarships" to junkets in luxurious resorts where they receive insights on "model legislation" along with the golf, and other recreation, dinners, cocktail parties, etc.
In a similar vein, Rhode Island has a nice little scandal going on with numerous state legislators fronting various non-profits which then get state grants which then go into various connected pockets.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
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