The Shining City on The Hill vs. Reality

Submitted by gjohnsit on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 3:42pm

President Obama is being praised for referencing Ronald Reagan's 'shining city on the hill' speech at the convention.
Last week Obama said this.

Michael Elliott, the former head of the ONE Campaign, who we remember today — he liked to say that we’re living through an ‘age of miracles.’ And he’s right.
...the world has never been less violent, healthier, better educated, more tolerant, with more opportunity for more people, and more connected than it is today.”

According to Obama, America has never been better.
Democrats and the media have picked up the chant. Negativity is for Republicans.

This is an effective strategy, but only if it reflects reality.
It becomes a problem when people point out stuff like this.

It becomes a problematic issue when the IMF says things like this last month.

While praising the "overall good shape" of the nation's economy, the IMF said in its assessment that "the U.S. faces potentially significant longer-term challenges to strong and sustained growth. Concerted policy actions are warranted, sooner rather than later."
The nation's economic well-being, it said, is threatened by factors including the shrinking middle class—now at "its smallest size in the last 30 years"—as well as "income and wealth distribution [that] are increasingly polarized" and rising poverty. "One in seven Americans is living in poverty," including 40 percent of whom are working, the body added.

Remember poverty? Democrats and the news media once cared about the issue.
Now it's something to pretend not to notice, and seriously people don't bring up in polite company. Or presidential debates.

Of the five Republican debates and of the three Democratic debates, not one moderator has asked a question involving the words “poverty” or “poor.” While the subject has been touched upon by some of the Democratic candidates, namely Bernie Sanders and briefly Jim Webb, the topic has been entirely unmentioned by the moderators during the three Democratic debates.

The problem of declaring that "we stand for things being great" is that it's hard to swallow to people who are struggling.
To them, it makes you look out of touch.

How extensive is the reality of people barely hanging on? How about nearly 2/3rds of households.

According to a brand new survey from Bankrate.com, just 37% of Americans have enough savings to pay for a $500 or $1,000 emergency. The other 63% would have to resort to measures like cutting back spending in other areas (23%), charging to a credit card (15%) or borrowing funds from friends and family (15%) in order to meet the cost of the unexpected event.
In November, Pew Charitable Trusts reported that one in three American families have no savings at all. In December, Magnify Money released the results of a study that found that 56.3% of people have less than $1,000 in their checking and savings accounts combined...
“Five-hundred dollars is enough money that it could be catastrophic if you’re really living on the edge and don’t have enough money” to cover that unplanned cost, Bankrate senior investing analyst Sheyna Steiner said in a phone interview. ”I did wonder what would happen if it was $10,000, what would the answer have been then?”

63% of Americans are one medical emergency away from complete disaster. Huge deductibles means Obamacare won't save them.

That doesn't sound like a shining city on the hill to me.

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Submitted by dervish on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 3:52pm

Not to worry

Hillary will open up public sector jobs, mostly in the Marine Corps and the Army.

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Submitted by Raggedy Ann on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 3:54pm

Thanks for the chuckle.

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Submitted by Alligator Ed on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 4:12pm

I didn't laugh--it's too true

Submitted by Lookout on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 3:53pm

The Dems are rethugs

Obama's speech was so good even Republicans liked it? TYT analysis 10 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsdWAUr9s7U

Plus the pro war USA...USA...

They lost me.

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Submitted by Raggedy Ann on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 3:53pm

More propaganda.

If they say it enough, the sheeple fall into line.They all make me ill.

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Submitted by detroitmechworks on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 3:55pm

I think the PTB know exactly how close they are...

to Madame Guillotine.

Hence they try to rile up the masses anger against someone OTHER than them.
Wars used to be a good way to do it. However, shockingly people are more and more not buying the media's bullshit cover.

Use the same drug on the masses too often and they will build up an immunity.

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Submitted by gjohnsit on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 4:14pm

shining cities on hills don't lose wars

When is the last time the news media mentioned Afghanistan?

Submitted by detroitmechworks on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 4:32pm

It's OVER, remember?

We WON that war. Or at least we would have won if the damn peace movement hadn't stabbed us in the...

... wait...

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Submitted by jim p on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 5:04pm

Dems and Media psyching

themselves up for a War with Russia however.

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Submitted by native on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 5:37pm

Shades of the propaganda campaign

in the year prior to the invasion of Iraq. The Enemy must be thoroughly demonized before military action is taken. The Mighty Wurlitzer has been pulling out all the stops in declaring Putin the Bad-Guy-Du-Jour. Will Hillary's legions of supporters buy into this narrative, if push comes to shove? My guess is, yes they would.

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 6:28pm

And as usual the rubes are buying the propaganda

And how many times have their fallen for it?
Japan attacked Pearl Harbor but most of the fighting happened in and around Germany.
Babies were being thrown out of incubators so we had to attack Saddam, even though Bush 1 had hinted that he would be okay with Saddam's actions.
Saddam had WMDs and met 'with Al Quada terrorists', so instead of fighting the Taliban, we invaded Iraq. BTW, the people who wrote PNAC went to Clinton to get him to overthrow Saddam. Does anyone think that Hillary wasn't aware of this when she voted for the AUMF which her supporters say she was only voting to give the inspectors more time.
Assad used sarin gas on his people, when it was actually the Syrian rebels that the US was backing that used the gas.
Russia annexed Crimea. Is interfering with our election and some of the elections in Europe, so we will have to go to war with Russia, even though Obama and NATO have been sending troops into 20 countries surrounding Russia a year or two before Russia supposedly hack the DNC and the DCCC servers. But they didn't hack Hillary's private one for some reason. I think her server would interest Russia more than the DNC's don't you?
And the biggest propaganda is that the troops are fighting to keep us safe and to defend our freedoms.
No one can answer how the terrorists can take away our freedoms. Well the ones we still have after congress passed the Patriot act and the NDAA.

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Submitted by Centaurea on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 9:03pm

Dog whistle

I suspect that the Dems are using the "Russians are coming!" at least partly as a dog whistle to bring the older voters in line. My generation (Boomers) grew up in the "Red Scare" times and spent the first 40 or so years of life being programmed to see Russia as the boogeyman. So it would be a convenient trigger to use, along with the nationalistic "USA! USA!" chanting, which I first recall hearing during the Iran hostage crisis in 1979.

While the US political establishment's preferred boogeyman has changed since 1989 and now focuses on the Middle East and Islam, that "Russia scary!" trigger no doubt still exists inside Boomer psyches. And it's something familiar to them. I think many of my generation are feeling emotionally and mentally disoriented, especially with the bulk of the Millennials not going along quietly. The old "Russia scary!" may be still in many Boomers' comfort zone, simply because it's familiar to them. A way of clinging to the known, no matter how perverse it may seem.

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Submitted by Bisbonian on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 10:19pm

From what I am seeing,

they already have.

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Submitted by sojourns on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 4:06pm

Time to invest!

in body bags.

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Submitted by Alligator Ed on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 4:18pm

Obama, the liar, used to be smooth at it

But now to say America has never been better! He who used to be a "community organizer", allegedly an activist working for the benefit of the poor--can now with a straight face render up this bullshit. Who the fuck is he trying to impress--not the 40% living in poverty who already know he's full of shit? Beside Clintonites and 1%ers, he ain't fooling anyone.

Submitted by Caerus on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 5:47pm

Legacy, legacy, legacy

Book deals
Speaking fees
Honorariums
Obama Global Foundation
MONEY, MONEY, MONEY

Saul Alinsky weeps.

Palin ( don't puke!) said it best: "How's that hopey changey thing workin' our for ya'?"

Submitted by featheredsprite on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 7:32pm

I think of that often and regret to say she was right.

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Submitted by Azazello on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 9:52pm

Alas, President Obama won't be able to cash in

like the Clintons did. Michelle has already said she won't run for president so the returns from investments in the Obama Foundation won't be as high.

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Submitted by Lily O Lady on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 4:49pm

Shining City on a Hill where only the 1% can afford to live. The

Democratic Party really is gentrified.

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 5:23pm

The convention delegates

I did not watch the convention because we cut the cord years ago, but I saw some shots on Lee Camp's Redacted Tonight show when they were doing the roll call. Of course the Clinton delegates were in charge of the votes from each state. The Bernie people had been locked out of their seats and some out of the convention hall.

And what struck me was how the Clinton delegates all looked alike. It did not matter if they were male or female, black or brown or white, young or old. They all looked alike, beautifully dressed to the nines with perfectly coifed hair and makeup for the women. They all looked like very financially successful business types or politicians. It was in stark contrast to the Bernie people who looked like regular people you would see every day on the street or in a store.

Did anyone else notice this?

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Submitted by Lily O Lady on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 5:43pm

Yep. And the convention accommodations were "shining" as well.

As in way too luxurious and expensive for many Bernie delegates. There's a message to the peasants: you're out of your league.

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Submitted by dancingrabbit on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 5:45pm

Didn't watch Dem convention, gg, but

did catch a PBS pundit (David Brooks?) on radio pronouncing as they wound up coverage after HRC's speech that the Democratic party "is now the high income, high educated" party.

Seems to fit with your observation of the visuals.

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Submitted by dervish on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 5:00pm

Humana has dropped the ACA

Premiums will increase, and the wheels will generally fall off. National healthcare is what's needed, but our corporate masters won't allow that. Jobs are hard to come by, especially good ones, and our cities are rapidly decaying. Foreign entanglements are at an all-time high.

We could be a shining city on a hill, except for those that keep destroying that vision in favor of enriching themselves.

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Submitted by Unabashed Liberal on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 6:29pm

Not 'wishing the increases on anyone,'--

but the word has been since early this year that the ACA Health Exchange premiums would go up, considerably. Off-the-charts increases, in some regions. So, if it's going to happen, I hope folks know the scope of their premium increases before the election.

(Of course, when premiums increase for the Exchange, the rest of the industry usually follows suit--including Group Health Plans.)

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Submitted by dervish on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 6:51pm

I think the PTB

will attempt to move heaven and earth to postpone such disclosures until after the election.

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Submitted by Unabashed Liberal on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 9:22pm

dervish, the good news is that 'open enrollment' for the ACA

Exchanges begins on November 1st this year. One week before the November 8th Presidential Election!

(I could be wrong, but it would seem that the premium increases would have to be made public by that date.)

I think I'll do my part to get the word out about the increases, and the dates of Open Enrollment.

Also, I'll try to see if there is any way that 'O' can actually postpone the rate increases. I don't believe that he can--short of directing HHS to change the dates of the Open Enrollment period.

Here's the link (below) to a piece that I saw a while back.

Obamacare's November surprise

Many consumers will see large rate increases for the first time Nov. 1 — a week before they go to the polls.

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Submitted by eyo on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 5:31am

"We need more healthy people in the pool" Oops

So much for Preventative Care reducing long run costs ~shrug~, from your link:

“The pool is far less healthy than we forecast,” said Brad Wilson, CEO of Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina, which says it lost $400 million on its exchange business during the first two years and is weighing whether to compete for Obamacare customers in 2017. “That’s an issue not just here in North Carolina, but all over. … We need more healthy people in the pool.”

Insurance company "facts" I can't argue much, my bold in the selected quotes: The Facts About Rising Health Care Costs

Why is U.S. health care spending so high?

According to National Health Expenditure data, the growth in premiums tracked directly with the underlying cost of medical care from 2000-2010 — a trend that has been consistent for decades. Any discussion of this upward trend in health spending must begin with health care prices in the U.S. Compared to other Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) nations, hospital spending in the U.S. is more than 60 percent higher. Spending on physicians, specialists and dentists is almost 2 ½-times higher than in other OECD countries.

Hospital cost increases
The newly formed Health Care Cost Institute has found that rising prices for care were the chief driver of health care costs for privately insured Americans in 2011. Spending on health care services climbed 4.6 percent in 2011, well above the 3.8 percent growth rate found for 2010 and higher than expected for 2011. Prices rose for all major categories of health care, such as hospital stays and surgical procedures, but rose fastest for outpatient care.

An increasingly important factor driving hospital price increases is consolidation of the hospital industry. Hospital mergers and acquisitions jumped by 33 percent between 2009 and 2010. Research shows that hospital market concentration leads to increases in the price of hospital care. In fact, price increases exceeded 20 percent when mergers occurred in concentrated markets.

Cut it out! But now for the "preventative care" fail, because I really fell for that spun story. Sorry.

Unhealthy lifestyles
The growing burden of chronic diseases adds significantly to escalating health care costs. Researchers predict a 42 percent increase in chronic disease cases by 2023, adding $4.2 trillion in treatment costs and lost economic output. Much of this cost is preventable, since many chronic conditions are linked to unhealthy lifestyles. For example, obesity accounts for an estimated 12 percent of the health spending growth in recent years.

Poor people are sicker, duh. Industry LOVES chronic for it supplies the rentier society splendidly, please proceed.

Covered California Premiums Going up 13.2%

Submitted by dervish on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 7:59am

The solution is simple

With a national healthcare system, we'll just shut these bastards down, or relegate them to the supplemental insurance industry. The rest of the developed world has better outcomes, for lower costs than we do, largely because they don't have outfits like this gaslighting them.

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Submitted by native on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 6:02pm

Some parts of it are very shiney indeed.

We've got lots of new yachts, and magnificent new mansions at which to marvel. We've got nice gated communities for prosperous people. Other parts of it are becoming, or remain distinctly seedy.

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Submitted by Dallasdoc on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 6:08pm

The hill is where the rich people traditionally live

Their sewage rolls down the gullies onto the poor people in their hovels below.

Nice to see you here, old friend! Take off your shoes and make yourself at home.

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Submitted by FuturePassed on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 8:45pm

Cheerful thought

Shit runs down hill, but it floats and we're closer to the drain.

Hi Doc.

Submitted by OzoneTom on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 11:20am

So "The Oblongs" cartoons were not fictional? n/t

Submitted by native on Tue, 08/02/2016 - 7:39pm

Thanks Doc,

don't mind if I do. I was wondering where you'd gone off to.

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Submitted by Dallasdoc on Tue, 08/02/2016 - 7:41pm

Been here a while now, getting into the swing

I couldn't abide the old home anymore. The neighborhood really went downhill.

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Submitted by native on Wed, 08/03/2016 - 11:31am

Yeah, really.

I was like, going... going... gone. This new place shows a lot of promise though.

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Submitted by TheOtherMaven on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 6:16pm

Reagan never had an original idea in his life

He copped this one - or more likely his speechwriter did - from John Winthrop 1630. The only change was adding the word "shining".

Edit: But if you read Winthrop's whole paragraph - oh brother.

Now the onely way to avoyde this shipwracke and to provide for our posterity is to followe the Counsell of Micah, to doe Justly, to love mercy, to walke humbly with our God, for this end, wee must be knitt together in this worke as one man, wee must entertaine each other in brotherly Affeccion, wee must be willing to abridge our selves of our superfluities, for the supply of others necessities, wee must uphold a familiar Commerce together in all meekenes, gentlenes, patience and liberallity, wee must delight in eache other, make others Condicions our owne rejoyce together, mourne together, labour, and suffer together, allwayes haveing before our eyes our Commission and Community in the worke, our Community as members of the same body, soe shall wee keepe the unitie of the spirit in the bond of peace, the Lord will be our God and delight to dwell among us, as his owne people and will commaund a blessing upon us in all our wayes, soe that wee shall see much more of his wisdome power goodnes and truthe then formerly wee have beene acquainted with, wee shall finde that the God of Israell is among us, when tenn of us shall be able to resist a thousand of our enemies, when hee shall make us a prayse and glory, that men shall say of succeeding plantacions: the lord make it like that of New England: for wee must Consider that wee shall be as a Citty upon a Hill, the eies of all people are uppon us; soe that if wee shall deale falsely with our god in this worke wee have undertaken and soe cause him to withdrawe his present help from us, wee shall be made a story and a byword through the world, wee shall open the mouthes of enemies to speake evill of the wayes of god and all professours for Gods sake; wee shall shame the faces of many of gods worthy servants, and cause theire prayers to be turned into Cursses upon us till wee be consumed out of the good land whether wee are going: And to shutt upp this discourse with that exhortacion of Moses that faithfull servant of the Lord in his last farewell to Israell Deut. 30. Beloved there is now sett before us life, and good, deathe and evill in that wee are Commaunded this day to love the Lord our God, and to love one another to walke in his wayes and to keepe his Commaundements and his Ordinance, and his lawes, and the Articles of our Covenant with him that wee may live and be multiplyed, and that the Lord our God may blesse us in the land whether wee goe to possesse it: But if our heartes shall turne away soe that wee will not obey, but shall be seduced and worshipp other Gods our pleasures, and proffitts, and serve them, it is propounded unto us this day, wee shall surely perishe out of the good Land whether wee passe over this vast Sea to possesse it;

Therefore lett us choose life,

that wee, and our Seede,

may live; by obeyeing his

voyce, and cleaveing to him,

for hee is our life, and

our prosperity.

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Submitted by sfern on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 7:41pm

Shining City on the Hill and Augustine's City of God

are the same and remind us that we must be ready to go to war for the righteous cause of crusade against false religions and false sense of trade. We must defend Christianity and its earthly form of living, much more important than democracy: Capitalism. Therefore, we must prepare ourselves to fight the inquisition against those usurpers, barely a generation of capitalism in their land, formerly evil communists. We must label them "New Capitalists." and beware of any hacking they may do to destroy our sacred way of selecting our leaders. Prepare to fight them, people, so that you will not have impure thoughts about what such hackings have revealed about our inner sanctum of power to those unworthy of such knowledge.

Submitted by riverlover on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 6:29pm

And in news for the CDC

I f you are rich, an athlete or foolhardy and going to the Olympics, upon return to the Home~~land~~, avoid mosquitoes for at least a month.

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Submitted by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 7:04pm

All the "Things Are Great!" talk

makes them look disconnected and out of touch.

How can they feel our pain if they deny our pain?

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Submitted by FuturePassed on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 9:10pm

Disconnected

You make a critical point. When members of the Democratic establishment make the case that everything's great to people for whom it isn't, it does not go over well. If the middle child graduated from college and moved back into his old bedroom and earns barely enough to make the payments on his student loans in good months consequently causing your food bill to explode, how do you react when you hear that?

I don't know what they're thinking. Plenty of people find that denial of their reality as offensive as Donald Trump's vulgarities.

Submitted by featheredsprite on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 7:36pm

Throw the bums out!

Demexit, btw, was a success in North Carolina.

https://twitter.com/TwoOneSix216/status/759581148964122624

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Submitted by PhilK on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 7:37pm

A good article along these lines

"Democrats need to stop insisting that everything is going well"

A few quotes:

Yet the response among Democratic commentators has not been to explain why Democratic policies will better serve laid-off factory workers. Instead, they have tried to downplay the very existence of laid-off factory workers, with article after article explaining that Trump has overlooked the positive.
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When people working cushy media jobs tell working class Americans that they're better off than they think they are, one can almost hear a variant on the myth of Pauline Kael's puzzlement that Nixon could have won the election when nobody she knew voted for him: "I can't understand what this whole 'widespread despair' business is all about. Nobody I know is in despair."
. . . .

And yet right after Trump's speech, instead of focusing on her own solutions to America's problems, Hillary Clinton remarked that "the last thing we need is somebody running for president who talks trash about America." That sounds like something George W. Bush would have said about John Kerry. And it's hard to think who such a line will persuade. The despairing, angry mass of Trump supporters is hardly likely to buy into the theory that its grievances are "unpatriotic," and people on the left are supposed to reject the idea that criticisms of social problems constitute "trashing America."
. . . .

Trump tells people he will keep them safe from joblessness, terrorism, and crime. Clinton tells people that joblessness, terrorism, and crime aren't problems, and that she'll keep them safe from Trump. Which scare tactic is more compelling?

Democrats need to stop insisting that everything is going well

Submitted by lotlizard on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 1:51am

Just what the world needed — a “Left” that tells workers,

“Don’t you just love this system? You never had it so good.”

Submitted by featheredsprite on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 7:38pm

One of the problems with the Republican taunt

that Obama was "elitist" was that we heard it as a dog whistle for "uppity." Eventually, we came to realize that he was indeed elitist.

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Submitted by lizzyh7 on Mon, 08/01/2016 - 1:45pm

Their use of racism throughout his

campaign and administration was really brilliant as a tactical move. Sure, there was much REAL racism, no doubt about that. But that did help push me to believe in Mr Obama, and I feel we were all outright tricked with that. I've long thought of the TPTB that electing a black man as POTUS ensured the obstruction would not only continue but would also neatly stymie any progressive thing he tried to do - an all he had to do was yell "racism" and I was right there defending him loudly and buying into the idea that he really did try, but "just couldn't get past the racism" and so, Scary Tea Party. And it sure as hell worked out for them, didn't it? I know many out here knew long beforehand that he really IS an elitist but I wasn't yet paying enough attention and fell for that hook, line and sinker.

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Submitted by Steven D on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 7:43pm

Gjohnsit

They don't care about the poor voting or the progressives. They are trolling for Bushies to vote for Hills at this point. They expect Bush's "base" to win the election for her. That and e-voting machines.

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Submitted by FuturePassed on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 10:07pm

Steven D.

I agree with you about their strategy. But I don't think they grasp the extent to which hearing that things are better than they've ever been could provoke someone poor and/or progressive to actually vote for Trump rather than voting for Stein or staying home.

I think establishment Republicans allying with establishment Democrats on the e-voting machines will put Clinton over the top.

Submitted by doh1304 on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 9:11pm

I'm 59 years old and I've lived in poverty or close

for 35 or 40 of those years. I never never made the median income, and neither did my parents. I know that what Americans consider poverty is survivable. This does not in any way absolve Obama or any of the other presidents of the last thirty-six years, or anyone else culpable, but it is nonetheless true. Many, in fact most Americans can significantly improve their lives by redefining and reducing unnecessary consumption - many have done so in the last decade.

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Submitted by betterdemsonly on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 11:36pm

Doesn't change how friggen

Doesn't change how friggen destructive it is to have the rich being so rich they can bribe compliance, nor does it change the fact that they do look down on us.