Well, We Must Be Doing Something Right

It's going to be a long four months. This place must be making some kind of impact.

I'm just gonna come right out and says it. FSM knows, it'll be hard for me too, but we have to try, REALLY HARD, to learn the difference between trolls and legitimate folk making sincere around here. We're not going to turn into GOS, so we're going to have to deal with the former. I have yet to see the latter, but surely they exist. We surely must be aware that the former has arrived, to some degree (hence my title)

Oh well. I'm not twisting their arms and making them waste their time here--if you ask me, they are wasting their time! I don't know about anyone else, but about all I have remaining for them is contempt. Because I can't say it any plainer than this and yet they have NO respect for that. They keep coming around, trying to convince me that I owe the country my vote for the person THEY want.

No. I don't. I don't owe my vote to anybody, and neither do you. So here's the deal--one more time for the people in the back rows:


Hillary Clinton is not going to get my vote. I am done with the Democratic Party of the United States of America, even if it means a Donald Trump presidency. They only need me for my vote. They do NOTHING for far lefties like me.

You can beg. You can SHRIEK AND THROW TEMPER TANTRUMS. You can cajole. You can even try and flat-out bullshit. Well, knock yourself out. I ain't budging. Your Democratic Party has been rendered an unfunny joke. Your Democratic Party is rotted beyond repair. FDR and JFK are puking in the afterlife, every time they go back and look over what she and her mealticket traitor of a husband have done to so corrupt it.

The best way we can deal with the influx of people who want to convince you to support this dumpster of a party and this fake-ass usurper who stole it is simple: refuse to engage. Do not reply. Do NOT give an opening. That's how they get in, and then they never go away. And they WILL get into your head. They tag team. Troll 1 starts, and if they get no traction, Troll 2 drops by to play Good Cop to Troll 1's Bad Cop. They'll use fear. They'll use tears. They'll use anger and lectures and insults.

Folk who came here to get away from sick Orange co-dependence and vote shaming know exactly the kind of shenanigans I'm talking about. They start working on you with certain words, word patterns and repetition. They're going to work on you with ALL OF IT. They want something you have--they want your vote. And you do NOT have to give it to them.

You have to freeze that shit out. And so do I. And it ain't easy.

I'll get your back if you get mine. We really do not have time to argue with con artists and Hillary's lickspittles, we have work to do for the top of the Green Party ticket, and downticket folk that aren't corrupt. I will need a kick in the ass as well as you do, just about every day. WE can keep this place relatively pleasant without making JtC nuts, if we try really hard. At least until he can build a "hide" button (the kind where nobody knows I hid you, and nobody knows you hid me--this works wonders on social media, we should seriously have that here).

Anyway--can we help each other? I'll fail. I failed yesterday and I'll fail again, and so will you. But we owe that "movement" nothing and we owe the people who inhabit it nothing either, even if they have their own good reasons. Their good reasons are FOR THEM. This craven, corrupt candidate doesn't give a damn about any of us unless we have MONEY and SOMETHING FOR HER.

I am voting FOR something. That's how it is supposed to be and don't you dare let anyone tell you otherwise. I'm officially no longer a Democrat, as of tomorrow. Florida voting is so damned crooked there's no point swallowing my disgust for another month so I can vote against Patrick Murphy. My last ballot didn't even count.

Working on peace....may it be with you as well.

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FSM. flying spaghetti monster?

but, yes, the next four months are going to be excruciating. it is going to get more shrill the more fearful people become. i may try and take a step back for a period but, try as a may, i just have to know what's going on on a day to day basis because i don't watch television news.

refuse to engage. Do not reply. Do NOT give an opening.

wise words. i will start putting that into practice. if i don't then i'll never leave the keyboard as they come fast and furious.

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lunachickie's picture

Flying Spaghetti Monster Smile

To your other point, same here--as a general rule, we don't let the garbage in through the TV, but mr. luna couldn't stand it on Monday, he turned it on before I got home....

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i'd like to take a hammer to the television but the easier and less expensive solution is for me to just turn off my hearing aids, then all the speeches just become blah, blah, blah....blah, blah, blah...

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I'm watching all the celebrities trotted out (and making a boycott list). I don't trust celebrities. They are people whose entire paycheck comes from saying things that were written for them and making you believe that what they are saying is what they truly believe. Celebrities are professional liars.

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The people, united, will never be defeated.

Mr. Dallasdoc has the show on in another room, and I can barely hear Barack Obama's voice with an uncharacteristically manic edge through the door, backed by near-continuous screaming. I can't hear the words, or I'd turn some music on. It's still giving off a vaguely North Korean vibe.

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flowerfarmer's picture

puppet show.

Why waste our time watching corruption in action...not healthy for the soul.

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Have I mentioned how nice it is to associate with fellow Pastafarians?

Not that I've worslurped His Noodly Goodness onsite for quite some time, but I expect that any people there now would really rather not vote for warmongers and would be quite highly spiced in saucy language with anyone attempting to pirate their vote.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

a FSM emblem on someone's car. not too many people are aware of the flying spaghetti monster so i always want to acknowledge to the car driver with a shout out or a thumbs up. trouble is i'm behind the person and i can never seem to get even with them because of traffic and/or traffic light timing.

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Alphalop's picture

Raaaamen.

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

WaveyDavey's picture

untrustworthy people when polls of such a horrible nature are taken.

I want to know who the winner is. Am I horrible because I'm atheist or gay. I have a right to know! Smile

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If so, then in the eyes of the religious nutters that's a double whammy.

But either way, in their eyes you and I are gonna be standing in the same line.

At least the company should be good. Smile

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"That there is a stairway to heaven and a highway to hell says a lot about anticipated traffic numbers."

I'd much rather be in hell with BernieBros than in heaven with HillBullies.

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"When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained." - Mark Twain

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

Become a Pastafarian! Sit atop the beer volcano, dipping freely, and watch strippers throughout eternity!

Personally, I refused to join until I was assured that the strippers came in our choice of genders. But the harp music some other guys offered for their place sounded like it would get old pretty fast... plus no corporeal bodies, never mind no nice male ones or spaghetti with meatballs. Sounded like hell to me, and I suppose that the Hillbullies you refer to will wind up there, doing nothing forever but talking over the harpists about who they 'got', how they 'got' them and how they hope whoever else is suffering, while they get heaven - and never even realize how boring it sounds...

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A guy dies. St. Peter hands him a harp and says, "Take any cloud and play to your heart's content."

After a while the guy comes back to St. Peter and says, "O.K., Here's your harp. I'd like to do something else now."

St. Peter replies, "There isn't anything else. This is what we do."

The guy says, "You gotta be kidding. I never thought heaven would be like this."

St. Peter answers, "Heaven?"

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-Greed is not a virtue.
-Socialism: the radical idea of sharing.
-Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962

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I'd much rather be in hell with BernieBros than in heaven with HillBullies.

If the HillBullies inhabit it, it's Hell!

Diablo

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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three votes for Trump.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

...you aren't a gay muslim-turned-atheist. Then you are automatically assumed to be the antichrist.

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must make one satan incarnate.

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although it isn't so much a matter of me not believing in a god as much as i just really don't care whether one exists or not.

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numbers ever? Does that make them both the most atheist and the most gay?

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Indeed. He Boiled for your Sins..

Raaaamen.

And sieved our souls!

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Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.

When the primary ended. Seems like they have become crazed though. I visited there today they were having a snipe fest about c 99 in gjohnsits diary. The description they gave led me to believe they had never been here.

But I imagine some of the more annoying will have to come play games.

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clown wearing a Tribble about to slide down and eat his face. These two are neck and neck in the polls.

I'd be a little shrill and crazed too if I thought it mattered which of them won. That Tribbleman ever gained traction will forever amaze me. Sweaty Nixon looked better.

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That next time one of them come here to stir shit up that we just ignore the diary.
I wrote that they post their diary and then never engage with us after we comment.
And that the person who wrote it is laughing its ass off when we respond.
I think that they just want to disrupt our great new home that was created to get away from them.
So I agree with you, next time let them waste their time writing shit and we won't engage with them.
I find it funny how they make fun of us on LOF after they come here and read our diaries and comments and then run home and tell their echo chamber groupies what we are saying here.
Seriously, how childish is that?

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http://calvinandhobbes.wikia.com/wiki/G.R.O.S.S.

Gang Ridicule Of Sanders voterS.

or perhaps

Go Rabid On Stein Supporters.

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Bwah-ha-ha-ha! Stalking me across the Intertubez! You must be a fan. Thank you so much!

That seemed to shut them up.

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They're hard as hell to shut up, so way to go!!! Smile

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I find it funny how they make fun of us on LOF after they come here and read our diaries and comments and then run home and tell their echo chamber groupies what we are saying here.

I was one of the first c99ers to have that done to him, a fact which now fills me with orgulous pride!

Wink

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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not to engage when a person is being so, soo abusive towards anyone who even proposes an argument to their position.

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GIANT ALL-CAPS SIG

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I left the damnocrats after Gore v Bush. Heh. Smile

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Stop Climate Change Silence - Start the Conversation

Hot Air Website, Twitter, Facebook

I can't vote for Hillary Clinton, so I am voting for Jill Stein. Hillary does not deserve my vote and she clearly hates the left, anyway. Jesus Christ, she picked TIM KAINE, of all people, for veep. That's disgusting, on many levels. My GB peep protested Tim Kaine today, go her! Smile

I'm going to #DemExit in two days, I guess. I think that's when most people are doing it, so I might as well be part of history while I can. Blum 3

I think the Berniecrats can help each other, but it sounds to me as if the Hillbots still don't get it. Shocker, I know. I was watching Cenk/TYT the other day, and he was saying how the Bernie folks have a fundamental disagreement with the rest of the party: they don't want corporate America to control the Party, and the rest of the Party simply doesn't care.

You can't mesh these two things. They are unmeshable. The Berniecrats are asking that the Party not be corrupted, and the Party is all, "Eh, who cares?"

Rumors run far and wide that the Hillbots in the convention are being rude to Bernie delegates on purpose. It's really shitty to hear about this kind of thing. Democracy does not demand that everyone "fall in line", for fuck's sake, but I'm sure the DNC doesn't care. As long as they have their "fake unity", they're good to go. Puke.

*Sigh* The Democratic Party pisses me right the fuck off. Have a good night, all!

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I miss Colorado.

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Shiz, it blows me away, the shitty treatment. I was truly surprised at that. For all the shit the GOP foists on people, they do know how to be fake polite without giving themselves away. I mean, I understand that taking the clothes off their emperor pisses the Dems off, but they won't do it. Somebody has to.

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These are the Votes I will make in order of preference:
1. Jill Stein
2. None Of the Above
3. Cascadian Independence/Annexation By Canada
4. Portland City-State Independence
5. Invasion By Canada.
6. Invasion By Mexico
7. Invasion By Martians
8. Invasion By Venusians.
9. Giant Death Meteor
10. Vote for Hillary because her surrogate LITERALLY HAS A GUN TO MY HEAD AND IS THREATENING MY CHILDREN RIGHT NOW SEND HELP!

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That's still better than option #10

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The people, united, will never be defeated.

I know you're kidding, but in all seriousness, a successful American revolution may well be secessionist. States or state blocs are pretty ideal for filling any nasty power vacuums, and while the states are not presently on our side either, they may be easier to control.

And one thing that could potentially help with this is if cities can be used as leverage in state politics.

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That's why the not-city folk are highly suspicious of them.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

Sure, but who's holding the lever right now? Not most of the residents...

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You have to freeze that shit out. And so do I. And it ain't easy.

I had remorse yesterday for responding to someone who was posting from the vantage point of fear. I had hope in my heart that I could in one response comfort a heart filled with fear. If it was a shill/troll that would never happen. If it was someone speaking their heart it would also never happen.

In my perfect world one person would have responded to the essay with the message, "Please read other essays on this site and try to understand that your fear motivated points are not the focus of this site. We are not afraid of Trump. We are afraid of a corrupt political system. If you want us to vote Hillary you will have to give us good reasons that don't mention Trump."

After that no other responses will be necessary. We don't have the time to attempt conversion of every new Trump = horror vote Hillary essay. We have to get Jill Stein to the debates. She's polling at about 1/2 the percentage necessary to be included. All we have to do is get every Dr. Stein supporter to convince one more person to "Switch to Stein". Personally I'm going for the record. This week, I ran across three of Bernie's supporters who had never heard of Jill Stein. And wonderfully I ran across two who were already committed to Jill Stein.

So, (cue "mission impossible" music) your mission should you choose to accept it is to tell two friends and ask them to tell two friends, and so on and so on an so on...and make Jill Stein the Faberge Shampoo of politicians.

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and I am finding people remarkably receptive to her.

One thing I find really interesting is that twice I have gotten the, "Yeah, but she is an anti-vaxxer.." response.

My reply, "Do you really believe the source you heard that from? Probably some MSM pundit?" Then I just tell them it is totally not true and close with, "But don't trust me either, go and verify it for yourself, Too many have been lying to us for too long for us to blindly accept what we are told by others." .

It's odd, but when you tell people NOT to trust you, they suddenly trust you more?!?!

Anyway, the interesting thing is both, without hesitation said almost the same thing, "Yeah, that is true, they really have been lying a lot." (Paraphrasing)

People are waking up.

We need to keep working on it and strike while the iron is still hot.

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I know it's true. Here let me prove it." (my mantra)

also

Never trust a person who says, "Trust me."

as in

"Trust me. Ms. Clinton knows that climate change should be our primary focus."

or as in

"I'm going to build a wall and make the Mexicans pay for it, trust me!"

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The people, united, will never be defeated.

So today I was running errands in Nashua, NH. As I was loading my bags into the back of my aging minivan, an older gentleman returned to the pickup parked next to me. He pointed to my Bernie sticker and said, "Guess you'll have to take that off, now."

"Oh, no. Bernie's staying right there," I said.

"Good. Sorry choices we've got now. Trump just says whatever goes through his head, and it's not what people want to hear."

"Yeah," I agreed, "and he's got a terrible temper. Not what you want in the one who's got the red button!"

"Well, somebody's got to do something about ISIS. All this terrorism..."

"Unfortunately, I don't think Trump's ideas would help any. There's just too much profit to be made in wars."

"That's the truth!" he snorted.

"So have you checked out Jill Stein?"

"Who's she?"

"The Green candidate. She's got most of Bernie's policies, but none of Hillary's baggage."

"Hillary's got LOTS of baggage!"

"The worst!"

A couple of comments about the hot weather, and we went our separate ways. Tomorrow I will go to Trader Joe's; there will probably be someone checking out the cheese selections.

But I'm getting really tired of breaches....

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I've just been exchanging messages with one of my oldest internet friends, who's in New Hampshire and who was a Bernie supporter, but who just told me that she'd 'have to' vote for Hillary because a 3rd party just can't work in the US. I sure hope she reads my rather lengthy answer and checks out the links...

I could just about weep, because she's intelligent, sensible yet doesn't seem to get that voting for evil will get her evil - and that will likely doom life on the planet - and that if enough people vote for the non-corporate candidate, they can win. As long as cheating isn't yet again 'left to stand as a done deal', as was the primary...

Such abuses won't stop until they're stopped, and the primary should have been that point.

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You say…

They do NOTHING for far lefties like me.

You, and I, and most of us here, most definitely are not lefties!, if I may be so bold as to characterize anyone but myself.

The New Deal, as accepted by Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, even Nixon, is Centrist!

I consider myself right in the middle.

I don't want to undo Capitalism - I just want to regulate the bejesus out of it, like we used to do.

We are centrist FDR (former) Democrats, taking the best of what the Right and Left end-of-political-spectrums have to offer.

Best!

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The spirit of party serves to enfeeble the Public Administration,
agitates with Jealousies and false alarms, and opens the door to corruption,
which finds access to the government itself through the channels of party passions.
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Fuck the Dem party, fuck hillary clinton and especially fuck her supporters. Now, the rest of this is directed to any and all clinton supporters. If it weren't for you and your ilk this fucking psychopath would not be on the ticket. Furthermore, you are the ones that have condoned election fraud and rigging in this primary. When the republicans do it you're the first to whine about it but now, because it's your queen doing it, you remain silent. I have nothing but disdain for you. Since the founding of this country, a whole lot of men and women have died defending our right to a democracy, a right to vote and have that vote counted. You people have spit on their graves. And, should we be so unfortunate to have her become president, the blood that will be shed in her future wars to enrich her and her cronies will be on YOUR hands. You're lower than any dishonest republican because the democrats were supposed to be better than this. Fuck you from the depths of my soul hillary clinton supporters. Please don't foul up this place with you presence. Stay over at dkos with the maggot owner and the rest of the slimy shit. It's where you belong...

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Harsh times call for harsh measures.

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Alphalop's picture

Might burn the pixels out of my monitor though, lol!

For the record, I am with ya....

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I cleaned it up a bit. But FUCK YEAH...

If it weren't for you and your ilk this fucking psychopath would not be on the ticket. Furthermore, you are the ones that have condoned election fraud and rigging in this primary. When the republicans do it you're the first to whine about it but now, because it's your queen doing it, you remain silent.

When SCOTUS Decided for Baby Bush, they couldn't stop crying.

Craven hypocrites.

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Obama and Hillary supporters!

And it not just election fraud and vote rigging, it's everything else that Obama and Hillary has done or will do that their supporters condone.
Everything that Bush and the republicans did during his administration was unacceptable to them. Until Obama and Hillary started doing it
The illegal invasions that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.
The tax cuts for the wealthy while cutting social programs for the poor and disabled people.
The opening up pristine areas for drilling and fracking.
The unconstitutional spying on Americans without a warrant that Obama had promised that he would filibuster the vote to make it legal.
And people said that he had to vote for it of his wanted to become president, but once he was in office he would work on changing it. Instead he expanded the program and now there is over 800 companies working with the NSA in order 'too keep us safe from the terrorists'.
And once Obama started using drones in the 7 countries that we weren't at war with or hadn't threatened us, many people went quiet. Obama killed 3 Americans without due process because he claimed that they were a threat to this country and declared them terrorists. Where was the outrage over that?
Obama told us that he had a kill list and met with his advisers each Tuesday to decide who to kill next regardless of how many innocent people would be killed too. That was acceptable to them as was
I'm not going to 'drone' on about the rest of the betrayals since you all know them.
But Hillary is going to do the exact same or worse things and even though her record in is plain for everyone to see, her supporters say that she isn't a warmonger.
She pushed for more troops in Afghanistan during the surge, is responsible for the deaths and destruction that destroyed Libya, create a no fly zone over Syria which will risk a confrontation with Russia,and after watching the video of Gaddafi being tortured and then murdered by being sodomized with a knife she clapped her hands, cackled and said

We came, we saw, he died,

What type of person could react that way after seeing that video? The psychopath that her supporters put on the ticket.
And instead of voting for the person who ran on the values that the democrats say that they stand for, the democrats and her supporters threw possibly the last chance for turning this country around by stating that we deserve better a health care system, a better way to educate people, stopping the increasing genocide of the people in the Middle East by choosing wars as a first choice, giving the Palestinians the right to live and the rest of the issues that Bernie ran on.
But instead you Hillary supporters decided to vote for the person who has said that she is going to continue the wars in the Middle East, possibly going to bomb Iran, give Israel even more power over our government, and make sure that we

Never, ever have universal health care in this country

and every other issue she is running on!
Anyone who votes for Hillary is going to be responsible for the deaths and destruction of the countries that she is going to destroy.
And don't whine when she works with the republicans to privatize social security like her husband almost did.
We tried to warn you, but you wouldn't listen to us!

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Obama's foreign policies? I want to investigate this thoroughly. I have the Gaddafi video, but am wondering what sources are available for the rest? It would seem to me that Obama would be primarily responsible for his own foreign policy. And that Hill's recommendations would not necessarily be known because "national security". But I would like to see what I can dig up.

And if you have already dug up such sources, then I won't have to! Thx!

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Hear, hear! Fuck em all, "till the handle breaks off!"

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as made clear by the Wiki release late last week. Hmmm -- wonder who's paying them??!

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When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.

lunachickie's picture

because people have to be paid to say good shit about you when you're such a louse.

Amirite?

I'm guessing this week's resident shouter ain't getting paid, either. I feel bad if they're for real, but too many assholes have shot blogs to hell and back with that kind of thing--I still remember the time GOS got punked by "the nephew".

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

riverlover's picture

I saw the setup and sniffed troll. And it went on and on. I stopped reading the Concern diaries. Too bad at the end.

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too.

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Freezing that shit out is perfectly easy if you just stop falling for SJW guilt trips and relational abuse and right-wing bogeyman fearmongering.

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lunachickie's picture

I'm about to start a Masters program in English. I've studied propaganda for 20 years, and I am still playing 'catch up' on what they appear to have mastered today with "word play" in our native language. They have all manner of games that suck you in, even when you know the guilt trips and the fearmongering and the abuse is complete bullshit.

I have a new rule called "Count to 20". Because I type really really fast, so I make myself count before I hit "reply".

Often, that stops me long enough to read again, and reconsider if I'm being suckered or not.

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